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  • Anonymous
    April 3, 2010 10:07 p.m.

    Are you really willing to spend the State's money on a lawsuit when money is needed else where so badly, like education. Does this mean that Utah can no longer require everyone to purchase car insurance? Will this then allow residence of Utah to sue the State to be able to obtain health insurance Hopefully you are smarter than that and hopefully you care more about the people in Utah than just doing what you think will re-elect you. I will never vote for you again...

  • GOP for paying illegals insuranc
    March 27, 2010 11:04 p.m.

    The GOP apparently prefers the current system where illegal imegrants go to the emergency room and get cared for and then the hospital double or tripple bills the next guy that can afford to pay.

    That's what the GOP is voting for. Bunch of flip flopping flopper flops.

  • Re: RE flip flopper
    March 27, 2010 11:01 p.m.

    Read my post THEN you get a clue. Romney said that he mandated insurance in Mass to keep people from going to the emergency room and getting services they have never contributed to financially and never intend to.

    He called it a matter of personal reponsibility.

    This means you. Get insurance so I don't get double billed when I go to the hospital.

    That's flat out republican sounding. That's what you all are against now. Flip flopppers.

  • re: flip floppers
    March 27, 2010 2:42 p.m.

    Get a clue! No one is trying to keep people from getting medical services. We just don't want to pay for other people's healthcare. Especially those who want it for free so they can spend their money on frivolous things like cell phones, tatoos, booze and cigarettes.

  • flip floppers
    March 27, 2010 10:31 a.m.

    Nice flip flop republicans. Sure, in Mass. it's personal responsibility thing keeping people from getting medical services they never pay for.... NOW since Obama has come around to YOUR way of thinking you flipped to the other side and cry unconstitutional.

    Get some values and stick with them.....

  • Earth to Demos
    March 27, 2010 10:17 a.m.

    I know you are all proud of Pelosi and Obama for putting something on their resumein oneyears time but the problem that most people have (including a large part of your own, as well as well as all of the moderates that switched sides to vote Demo on the last election)is that this is GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE. Obama said thie was the greatest legislation since Social Security and Medicare......DUH!!!!! How can he be proud od two systems that ARE IN THE TANK???!?!?!?! The government has already proved they cannot run something like this. On top of that, can you say 'Deficit'? You complain about Bush's addition to the deficit but its OK for Obama to increase the deficit by even more?

    Fact of the matter is that if 30 million more Americans have insurance now, your $940B is paying for it. If they didnt have insurance before they got the care anyway and we paid for it too, but not $940B worth.


    Those pro-Obama moderates that voted in Obama will be back on the other side of the fence in midterms and next Prez election and you know it. 4 years of
    Obama.......God bless us.

  • It was originally the GOP's
    March 27, 2010 9:59 a.m.

    Idea! Check it out...they originally inserted this into the failed legislation of the 90's and it's in Mitt Romney's Massachussets state run option. Now it's terrible? Give us a break...this is very hypocritical and you guys don't even know it!

  • Re: John Hamilton
    March 27, 2010 9:15 a.m.

    I wonder how long it will take for this severing to occur?

    What a mess that will be!

    However, like cancer, better to lose a limb than for the entire organism to succumb to decay and death.

  • For: 7:51 Poster
    March 27, 2010 9:13 a.m.

    @Answer This | 7:51 p.m. March 26, 2010
    Answer This, Liberals (waiting) | 11:41 p.m. March 24, 2010
    This bill is flat-out, absolutely un-Constitutional.

    NOWHERE in the Constitution does it say that the Federal Government has the authority to make people buy a particular product.

    NOWHERE!
    *********************

    Do you also not support FEDERALLY REQUIRED EDUCATION?

    Sorry, but only if you are TOTALLY tax exempt can you say at any level of realism that the Federal Government does not (possibly can not) MAKE you buy a "particular product".

    AND if you and your personal constitution are soooo INDEPENDANT of the USA Federal Government, I hope you are well armed. For the level of independence you wish talk of, would require you alone to protect yourself from criminals, HITLERS and, contemporarily, Al-Qaeda (and I won't even mention the Holocaust denying state of Iraq).


    Have a good night and God bless the US.

    ______

    Yes, the Fed Gov't should get OUT of education.

    Education is a blessing since 'knowledge is power'.

    Great! Pursue it to your heart's desire!

    But don't fund it federally. Leave it to the states.
    Your move....

  • Math: Correct. Truth: Unseen
    March 27, 2010 9:09 a.m.

    "Anonymous | 6:56 p.m. March 26, 2010
    THAT'S MORE THAN TWO AND A HALF TIMES AGAINST IT THAN FOR IT AND THE SURVEY NOW HAS 789,651 VOTES!


    And that is still less than the 30 million Americans who would not be able to get health insurance, again, if this bill was repealed.

    And look, I didn't have to use any caps locks or exclamation points."
    ______________

    Ah, yes, let's avoid the issue again.

    Yes, my blind liberal friend, 789,651 is certainly less than 30 million but you're missing the point. (Why am I not surprised?)

    My point in the above post was that the vast majority of Americans do NOT want this health care bill.

    Can you fathom that truth?

  • Still No Answer
    March 27, 2010 9:05 a.m.

    "Anonymous | 12:18 p.m. March 26, 2010
    To: Answer this, Liberals.
    Obviously you have not worked in a public hospital administration office. If you had, you would realize that YOU are the one being forced to pay for OTHERS free health coverage."
    ____

    Again, you do realize that you didn't answer my question, don't you?

    (And, yes, I most certainly recognize that I will pay for free-loaders. I have no problem helping out my fellow man who is trying but not succeeding if I choose to do so but what I do have a problem with is being forced to help someone who doesn't even want to help themselves. And there's plenty of this kind of deadbeat Americans out there....)

  • For: Moderate Liberal @ 9:44AM
    March 27, 2010 9:00 a.m.

    "I'm a moderate Liberal | 9:44 a.m. March 25, 2010
    with an answer. Just like your car example (yeah, I guess a very few people don't have cars) there will be people that would be exempt from having to buy insurance. They would be people that couldn't afford it, people that have special situations such as disability. They would possibly qualify for some other program and not realize it and in that case a qualified person would be able to help them. I have, in the past, helped people that would possibly qualify for something (this is not all that uncommon)...you should check out all the details before you make your accusations.
    But in the case of the average person (that own cars, have homes) they need health insurance too and this is common sense."
    _________

    OK, lots of words but do you realize that you didn't answer my question?

    My question is, if the government can FORCE you to buy health insurance then what will stop them from FORCING you to buy another product???

    The bottom line is, where is it written in the Constitution the government can make you buy a product?

  • John Hamilton
    March 27, 2010 12:06 a.m.

    It is doubtful that the abominable legislation passed on Sunday will be overturned in the courts. However, like The Founders, we must take all reasonable steps to maintain our natural rights within the current government before we conclude that it is time for those of us who love The Constitution to sever ties with those who don't.

  • Easy does it...
    March 26, 2010 8:14 p.m.

    Mr. Shurtleff is sufficiently knowledgeable to know that this "charade" of suing the Federal Government has less chance of success than the Confederate States had of succeeding from the Union.

    This "sue stance" is a temporary balm for those in Utah who are up in arms over health care reform, for those who have been feared into believing that health care reform is completely vile and has not an iota of good or possibility of good in it.The goal of Government here (Mr. Shurtleff) is to prevent the possibility of civil unrest... even if a temporary victory is needed to be given to Mr. Shirtleff's lawsuit by the Federal Government, it will be granted for that reason.

    But it will be temporary.
    As yet, it is merely a jumble of ideas, data and numbers. As one Republican's sign said in one of President Obama's speeches, "WHAT BILL?"

    So very true. It is unorganized. It is not defined yet. You and I through our elected representatives will do that work.

  • @Answer This
    March 26, 2010 7:51 p.m.

    Answer This, Liberals (waiting) | 11:41 p.m. March 24, 2010
    This bill is flat-out, absolutely un-Constitutional.

    NOWHERE in the Constitution does it say that the Federal Government has the authority to make people buy a particular product.

    NOWHERE!
    *********************

    Do you also not support FEDERALLY REQUIRED EDUCATION?

    Sorry, but only if you are TOTALLY tax exempt can you say at any level of realism that the Federal Government does not (possibly can not) MAKE you buy a "particular product".

    AND if you and your personal constitution are soooo INDEPENDANT of the USA Federal Government, I hope you are well armed. For the level of independence you wish talk of, would require you alone to protect yourself from criminals, HITLERS and, contemporarily, Al-Qaeda (and I won't even mention the Holocaust denying state of Iraq).


    Have a good night and God bless the US.

  • @Anonymous
    March 26, 2010 7:36 p.m.

    What survey?

    And if you suppose you don't use capitals and exclamation points, you are deluded. ;^)

  • Funny
    March 26, 2010 7:17 p.m.

    Funny how when the liberals don't get their way, they sue. But when someone else tries it ...

  • Anonymous
    March 26, 2010 6:58 p.m.

    "CNN is reporting that in 1993 Sen. Hatch supported a measure almost identical to MittCare and ObamaCare."


    Yeah, about those republicans who are out to 'defend your freedoms'...

    they dont.

    They just want your money people.

  • Anonymous
    March 26, 2010 6:56 p.m.

    THAT'S MORE THAN TWO AND A HALF TIMES AGAINST IT THAN FOR IT AND THE SURVEY NOW HAS 789,651 VOTES!


    And that is still less than the 30 million Americans who would not be able to get health insurance, again, if this bill was repealed.

    And look, I didn't have to use any caps locks or exclamation points.

  • McDonald's Advertising
    March 26, 2010 6:45 p.m.

    That health-food called McDonald's is being advertised on this comment thread. -lol-

    Health care reform. Any Questions?

  • WHAT BILL?
    March 26, 2010 6:41 p.m.

    Reform that has passed is a mass of data and unorganized ideas.

    In other words, it has not taken shape.

    All that got passed is 'a structure' - building blocks by which our children's health care will be administered.

    Republicans and Democrats ALIKE want health care reform! Both say it is necessary.

    The biggest battles in health care reform lie before us. YOU and I through our ELECTED representative will define what it contains.

    We will build health care reform.

    Become informed. Vote your conscience.

  • Times Change we adapt
    March 26, 2010 6:36 p.m.

    Health Care Reform is as unconstitutional as our State Run Educational system.

  • ...by the people, for the people
    March 26, 2010 6:33 p.m.

    Our government is BY THE PEOPLE, for the people.

    It follows that those who pay taxes ARE the government.

    Wear that onerous $1 a pack tax increase on your cigarettes as a badge of honor, cigarette smokers.

    Soon YOU and YOUR IDEAS and decisions will govern the state of Utah, like you cannot imagine.

    Become registered to vote, if you have not already.

  • States can opt out
    March 26, 2010 4:36 p.m.

    As far as I've heard the states have the option to opt out and states also have the right to implement thier own public option non-profit insurance competition.

    Go ahead sue. Don't be surprized when democrats start doing the same thing next time the don't like the results of democracy.

    Only only been 15 months.... keep stewing in your own fear and anger.

  • Good Luck
    March 26, 2010 4:25 p.m.

    I fully support the AG's in their lawsuit. Congress has WAY over reached here. Thanks for standing up for what is right.

  • And your old America
    March 26, 2010 3:58 p.m.

    was better? By whose standards? (yours I assume) Ahh the "good old days" is always a story. I can remember some of them too. But then I realized:
    The "good old days weren't always so good"!
    This is what's great about America....we can always try and make things better. And in this case we did too! Just because people have sometimes had it so rough in the past and survied doesn't mean that we can't try and make things better for the future!

  • The Decline of America
    March 26, 2010 3:28 p.m.

    I'm sad to be alive to witness the decline of America. I'm afraid to say our best days are behind us. The principles that made this country great are being dismantled. Our freedomes are being taken and thus our inginuity and incentive to be successful. Farewell to a free America, the socialist America has been ushered in. Get used to spreading poverty and worsening econmic problems. Private businesses and those who are successful will be robbed blind to pay Obama's bill. There will be no wealth left to create jobs. What happens when there are no more successful people to pay the bill? Welcome to the new America that some of you are so proud of.

  • Anonymous
    March 26, 2010 12:18 p.m.

    To: Answer this, Liberals.
    Obviously you have not worked in a public hospital administration office. If you had, you would realize that YOU are the one being forced to pay for OTHERS free health coverage.

  • Yvonne
    March 26, 2010 12:08 p.m.

    Any first year law student knows that these lawsuits will not succeed. So what's the purpose? To keep hope alive until the November elections! Be not fooled!

  • to Cautiously Optomistic:
    March 26, 2010 9:43 a.m.

    Your logic is nonsensical at best. You say that auto insurance isn't really mandated, because you could choose to not drive and therefore health insurance shouldn't be mandated either. So, are you suggesting that you could choose to never get sick or get hurt in any way? WOW. I thought all humans got sick and died at some point, but not you. You will soon be a gazillionaire once you start selling your secret to 100% never getting hurt or sick--ever. WOW. All sarcasm aside, what your argument actually shows is that health insurance has more reason to be mandated than car insurance. You can't "opt out" of having a human body that could get sick at any time even if you do yoga and eat granola. You hypocrites that don't want this bill that prevents insurance companies from dropping you when you get sick, would sure as heck want it if you actually got sick and had your coverage dropped. I'm surprised and disappointed with how selfish and short-sighted some people can be.

  • We did "go, fight and win"
    March 26, 2010 8:11 a.m.

    And we won! Why don't some of you on here analyze (if you can) what you've been fighting against. We have brought a bill to help people with their healthcare needs! That is wrong? You guys are sad.

  • Anonymous
    March 25, 2010 9:04 p.m.

    Go! Fight! Win!!!!!!

    I want my freedoms back!

  • I'm a moderate Liberal
    March 25, 2010 9:44 a.m.

    with an answer. Just like your car example (yeah, I guess a very few people don't have cars) there will be people that would be exempt from having to buy insurance. They would be people that couldn't afford it, people that have special situations such as disability. They would possibly qualify for some other program and not realize it and in that case a qualified person would be able to help them. I have, in the past, helped people that would possibly qualify for something (this is not all that uncommon)...you should check out all the details before you make your accusations.
    But in the case of the average person (that own cars, have homes) they need health insurance too and this is common sense.

  • Answer This, Liberals (waiting)
    March 24, 2010 11:41 p.m.

    This bill is flat-out, absolutely un-Constitutional.

    NOWHERE in the Constitution does it say that the Federal Government has the authority to make people buy a particular product.

    NOWHERE!

    And, please, don't give me the 'commerce clause' argument or the car insurance argument.

    The 'commerce clause' was not meant to punish (that's what a fine is: 'punishment') people for not buying a particular product which is EXACTLY what this disaster of a health care bill does: it punishes people for not buying a particular product.

    Vehicle insurance argument: Yes, if you drive you must, by law, buy car insurance.

    However....

    if you don't want to buy car insurance you are free to not buy a car but THERE IS NO SUCH 'OPT OUT' CLAUSE IN THIS BILL! (and somehow I don't think 330 million of us are Amish so don't go there....)

    My question, which I've asked repeatedly but have never had it answered by any liberal, is if the government can order you to buy healthcare insurance then what will stop them from ordering you to buy a 2010 GM vehicle to spur the economy??????????

    ________________________________________________

    What? Still no takers?!?!?!?!?!?!

  • For: Narrow Minded Lib @ 6:12 |
    March 24, 2010 11:36 p.m.

    "@Stupid Is As Stupid Does | 6:12 p.m. March 22, 2010
    And I bet you and your ilk voted at least 10X in that poll. And I do understand that you truely believe your opinion is worth 10 votes. It's a repug thing. The only poll that counts is the one we had on Nov. 4th, 2008. 70,000,000 of us voted for Obama and WON. I've never felt more proud to be an American patriot."
    _________________________________________________

    Gee, why am I not surprised you'd be so blind as to claim that????

    Actually the survey software does not allow you to vote twice. It recognizes your computer and does not let you vote more than once even if you turn off your computer and re-visit the site.

    So, my blind liberal friend, as of Wednesday night, the #s on the same survey are now:

    0.9% Other
    6.3% Dont Know
    25.2% Yes (for it)
    67.5% No (against it)

    THAT'S MORE THAN TWO AND A HALF TIMES AGAINST IT THAN FOR IT AND THE SURVEY NOW HAS 789,651 VOTES!

    Is that a big enough sample for you?

    (at msn newsvine)

  • Re: Anon 8:08
    March 24, 2010 11:34 p.m.

    Why is UT "wrong-headed" when at least 13 other states are doing the same thing? It's not just Utah. People all over the country are upset about this.

  • re:mark
    March 24, 2010 11:33 p.m.

    Sore losers? I seem to recall Al Gore suing over the results of the 2000 Election. I remember whining that Bush cheated again in 2004 when he beat Kerry by 3 million votes.

  • Utah Republican Grammar Police
    March 24, 2010 11:14 p.m.

    "mark | 7:49 p.m. March 24, 2010
    two words for Utah republicans

    SORE

    LOSER"
    _______________________________________

    Since there are more than one of us in Utah wouldn't that be "SORE LOSERS"?

    And, yes, I enjoyed correcting you...

  • Anonymous
    March 24, 2010 8:08 p.m.

    One more way for UT to demonstrate how wrong-headed it is and how much of UT's and federal money it can waste on tilting at windmills.

  • Re: mark
    March 24, 2010 8:05 p.m.

    Yeah, I guess the republicans are kind of like sore losers. Just like the Baltic States were sore losers when they became occupied by the Soviet Union.

    News Flash: Just because you "won" doesn't mean you're right. Sometimes the bad guys win.

    Health Care score so far:
    Socialists: 1
    Americans: 0

  • mark
    March 24, 2010 7:49 p.m.

    two words for Utah republicans

    SORE

    LOSER

  • This wastes tax-payer's
    March 24, 2010 3:05 p.m.

    dollars and is not wise. I may not like paying my auto insurance, my home owners insurance (or even wearing my seatbelt), but I know it's for the best. A person that is healthy and doesn't want health insurance is understandable, but not wise. And the Healthcare Bill will be most efficient and money saving if everyone has it...but it will survive if not (but the uninsured would continue to eat up tax-payers money when they get sick). So, how likely do you think these law suits will go anywhere?

  • Legal Scholar
    March 24, 2010 2:43 p.m.

    Hasn't anyone in Utah heard of the Supremacy Clause? This case has NO chance of surviving a Motion to Dismiss.

  • Re: Mary
    March 24, 2010 10:00 a.m.

    NO ONE is questioning that insurance needs the reform. The issue is the unconstitutional way the FEDERAL government is telling us to purchase health care of else. Car insurance is required at the STATE level, not the federal. It is up to the states to require insurance, NOT the federal government. That is the point of the constitution. If you don't like a state's requirements you can move. To force this at the federal level nails the middle class. This bill is the right concept but the wrong way to tackle the problem.

  • Just Me
    March 24, 2010 9:25 a.m.

    Civil War! Lets break up America and form our own country. United we stand divided we fall.

  • To: Maybe I would...
    March 24, 2010 9:18 a.m.

    Save your money and invest in spelling lessons :)

  • Maybe I would like to bring
    March 24, 2010 8:46 a.m.

    a lawsuite because I don't want to have to pay care insurance....but I'm a big girl and I know it's for the better good...

  • Evil Insurance Guy
    March 24, 2010 8:37 a.m.

    Yes, I sell insurance. A single young person can get medical insurance with a low deductible for about $80 a month. A little less than a cell phone bill for those who have a student out there.

    A family can get medical for $350 to $400 a month. Yes, that's a chunk out of the budget, but I've read the average family pays nearly $100 for satellite/cable TV, $300 a month eating out, and $200 a month on cell phone usage.

    I don't know what our CEO makes - he has degrees from Ivy League schools and I guess he makes 7 figures. About what that gift to humankind Miley Cyrus makes in a month.

    I'm not saying our industry is perfect. But Americans seem bent on spending money on other less important things which got us into this mess.

  • Squirm, Utah!!
    March 24, 2010 8:09 a.m.

    Ha! Look at all the silly republicans crying!
    Mike

  • I am all for it...
    March 24, 2010 8:04 a.m.

    I think letting insurance companies being able to cancel you policy if you make a claim is a great thing. If you have a pre-existing condition, tough deal for you but I am not paying for it. Cancer patients.... get a more affordable problem, because you just cost the rest of us to much.

    And while Utah is at it, repeal the unconstitutional requirement for car owners to carry insurance. In fact, the minimum wage is an unconstitutional over reach into my right to pay what I want. Medicare tax, socialism at best. Old people should have saved more money - its their problem. And laid off.... you should have worked harder... I am not bailing you out.

    In fact, perhaps we should change the name of the state from Utah to MeTah.

  • Anonymous
    March 23, 2010 4:03 p.m.

    Thank you, Obama, for doing in 2 years...

    what Bush could not do in Eight.

  • Democrats
    March 23, 2010 3:26 p.m.

    Move to California. PLEASE. You will not be missed. The grass is always greener on the other persons dime.

  • Wow
    March 23, 2010 3:09 p.m.

    What a bunch of losers!
    Utah is going to protest for the right to be uninsured. Way to go!
    I have the right to be uninsured while I'm young. Then, I have the right to be seen for free if I'm in an accident. I have the right to become an expense to the state of Utah. Of course, because Utah doesn't have money, then the Federal government should intervene.
    I have the right, I have the right, I have the right.
    Why don't you say instead that you have the responsibility as a citizen to make the whole of society a better place.
    Your patriotism is a joke and an embarrasement.

  • to Its a majority | 2:38
    March 23, 2010 2:56 p.m.

    "Thirty five other states are also going to be filing law suits against this unconstitutional bill."
    -citation needed

  • Its a majority
    March 23, 2010 2:38 p.m.

    "I am embarrassed to say I live in Utah. Come on people get rid of the Repos who are hindering your right to health care. You had better believe I will definately be voting to out these obstrustionist! "

    Susan,

    Utah is following the majority of the country. Thirty five other states are also going to be filing law suits against this unconstitutional bill. This is going to go all the way to the Supreme Court if the lower courts turn it down.

  • Dan
    March 23, 2010 1:21 p.m.

    This is sheer political grandstanding. Either--

    1) the supremacy clause trumps these State laws so the State law has no effect; or

    2) the relevant provisions in the new federal health insurance law are unconstitutional, in which case there is no need for these State laws.

    Talk about a waste of taxpayer money!! How fiscally conservative of those bringing this pointless lawsuit!

  • LAW
    March 23, 2010 12:46 p.m.

    The states have no "standing" in this issue.

    This "law suit" is all about politics.

    However, Utah taxpayers will be paying the bill.

    Individuals will have "standing" in 2014 when the mandate to purchase insurance becomes effective.

    At that point, individuals can file bona fide law suits.

  • Why doubt their cognition?
    March 23, 2010 12:09 p.m.

    Dr Bob you never had to take political science? Please explain how buying insurance from publicly owned insurance corporations is socialism? Is it the insurance exchanges that will let purchasers of heath care decide the best insurance options for them in a free market socialism in your view?

  • Dr. Bob
    March 23, 2010 11:56 a.m.



    Sad day for Americans when we became more Socialists!!!

    Way to go Utah!!!

    Personally I applaud Utah and all the other states opposing this unconstitutional act.

    It is the right thing to do. There will more states stand up for our rights!!!





  • Embarrassing-Thats All
    March 23, 2010 10:57 a.m.

    Once again the reddest of the red, puts it's name on a list of stupidity. Yea all of the Repubs say we need reform with our health care, but why hasn't it happened or even got to serious talk when they were in control? What a bunch of jokesters! What the "big business boy's want is more illegal low wage employees, low wages for others and more part time jobs. Get what you want Repubs and who just who is going to purchase and use the products your big businesses make? No "mon" no fun, or buying. Do you get that? Now where is your dream economy? Wake up GREEDS!

  • Helpless
    March 23, 2010 10:49 a.m.

    You have to buy auto insurance IF you want to drive a vehicle you own. If you choose not to buy an automobile you don't have to buy insurance. This is due to the damage you could possibly inflict upon others. This is not the same, you have a choice int the matter, you can choose not to drive and not pay for auto insurance. But the Federal government wants me to pay for insurance I DO NOT use. I have been to see a doctor once in the past 15 years, and that was due to an accident at work, where they paid for everything because it was a work-related accident. Why should I have to spend $100's a month for something I do not need? This is not correct and I will fight for my rights any way I can. That my friends IS the American way.

  • Whats worse...
    March 23, 2010 10:34 a.m.

    than a Utah republican winning something?

    Losing.

    Let the lies from the right kick into ludicrious speed! Warp drive is too slow.

  • Utah against healthcare...
    March 23, 2010 10:23 a.m.

    Shocker!

  • Re: More GOP Whining
    March 23, 2010 10:17 a.m.

    "The constitution clearly grants the federal government the right to overrule the states, which means the state measures are "irrelevant." "

    Ummm.... If you think that is true, then you clearly don't know the constitution. The constitution specifies certain rights to the federal government, and the rest goes to the states. Yes, the fed. govnmt. overrules the states, but it must be within the bounds the constitution has set.

  • Dear Mark,
    March 23, 2010 10:14 a.m.

    Please do not waste money that Utah does not have on such a ridiculous law suit.

    Thank you.

    A concerned citizen.

  • re:Disgruntled | 10:03 a.m.
    March 23, 2010 10:13 a.m.

    Families are Socialist.

  • Disgruntled
    March 23, 2010 10:03 a.m.

    We've elected Socialists in Democrats' clothing.

  • Anonymous
    March 23, 2010 10:00 a.m.

    We can't even afford to pay for basic services here in the state of Utah, but we are going to spend our tax money on a stupid lawsuit for the opportunity to deny health care to our own citizens. This is nuts.

  • The NIT
    March 23, 2010 9:30 a.m.

    To anonymous at 4:32 a.m. - What planet do you live on? This so-called health care reform effort IS one step closer to pure socialism. Why don't you just admit that you are comfortable with socialism and just be honest about it? And the countries you name are good, but not great. America is the greatest country - or was - because of our divine heritage, the hard work of its people and the freedoms that are incorporated into our constitution. All of these are diminished with this legislation.

  • FED UP WITH THE GOVERMENT
    March 23, 2010 8:57 a.m.

    Who does the goverment think they are to tell us what to do!!!!!!!
    And NOW THEy ARE TELLING US THAT WE WILL GET HEALTH INS.

    You people who run for office are a bunch of liars!!!!! you lie to get in, you have NO MORALS.

    You people in goverment offices make me SICK!!!!!
    I say we should vote for the mickey mouse and his friends they could do a better job.
    And for pres of the United States lets put bugs bunny. He better then what we got now.

    Thank goodness I did'nt vote him. And for those of you who did you need to read the books HE WROTE it will open your eyes up more about what he is all about.

  • Shock & Awe
    March 23, 2010 8:31 a.m.

    Only in Utah where there isn't enough money to educate our children would the AG blow $$$$$ on a loosing battle. Why not spend the money on a sure thing; our children!

  • Anonymous
    March 23, 2010 8:20 a.m.

    Way to go Utah! Glad to see that some one won't let the Federal Government bully us around.

    Having lived for 4 years in a country with socilized medicine I know it doesn't work.

  • Jon Burton
    March 23, 2010 7:57 a.m.

    What does it all matter? Russia is getting ready to send the bomb anyway.

  • george
    March 23, 2010 7:56 a.m.

    What a sad commentary on Utah and others that can not let democracy win. I for one, am ashamed that rather than embracing something of great value to society. The status quo in healthcare needs fixing, even with the recently passed reforms - the US is not even close to the rest of the western world in taking care of it's people. I have lived in countries with Universal Health care and it is what is needed. Health care should be a right not a just for the priviliged.

  • More GOP Whining
    March 23, 2010 7:55 a.m.

    The constitution clearly grants the federal government the right to overrule the states, which means the state measures are "irrelevant."

  • The Dane
    March 23, 2010 7:48 a.m.

    If no health care for the needed ones, then what?

  • rideacruiser
    March 23, 2010 7:45 a.m.

    I'm saddened to think that Utah assumes it has found a loophole that more than a solid year of debate failed to investigate. This is preposterous and unhelpful. It does nothing to address the problem of health insurance "obesity." Very short-sighted, Shurtleff. Very poor decision.

  • You don't
    March 23, 2010 7:42 a.m.

    know what you want. The democrats know what you want.

  • Anonymous
    March 23, 2010 7:15 a.m.

    Obama, Reid and Pelosi are laughing at the gullible americans. We have to stop the ponzi scheme!

  • Stop Pounding your chest Utah GU
    March 23, 2010 7:14 a.m.

    the reason Cal has a huge deficit is because of Hugle illegal immigration prob, High taxes, etc etc. All the things that Utah doesn't have to deal with. Did I mention we have 35 million people in the state next to your how many? So before you start bashing someone else's state/home do some research. California is still in the forefront of this nation.

  • what?
    March 23, 2010 6:28 a.m.

    what a waste of taxpayers' time and money... and yours too. Grow up, Obama has done the right thing and now the nation moves forward and will only be 100 miles behind the rest of the industrial world in taking care of its citizens.

  • Anonymous
    March 23, 2010 5:13 a.m.

    How much $$$$ of Utah tax payers is Shurtleff going to spend to fund his ill founded exercise?

  • Anonymous
    March 23, 2010 4:32 a.m.

    Those of you opposing this bill are so pathetic! This bill is about health care, not Socialism and Communism. Seriously go and get educated on what these terms mean. Then maybe this country might be great like Britain, France, Canada and Australia to name a few....

  • Jim
    March 23, 2010 4:28 a.m.

    Personally I applaud Utah and all the other states opposing this unconstitutional act. It is the right thing to do. It is amazing to me that so many cannot see this.

  • CP
    March 23, 2010 4:11 a.m.

    I'm glad to hear it. HURRAY!!!!

  • bamball
    March 23, 2010 1:25 a.m.

    I thought conservatives liked "personal responsibility"? In another universe, the thought of everyone doing their patriotic duty by participating in a plan to lower premiums would be a reasonable and responsible thing that conservatives would like? They would slam the "liberals" because they would not relinquish the freedom to choose to participate. Demonstrate personal responsibility for the good of the culture and nation? But, now, it must mean that everyone needs to demonstrate personal responsibility "except me". The True Conservative: Forcing me to have personal responsibility would be infringing upon my rights to be selfish. I'll sue you if you infringe my Strict Constructionist Interpreted Rights of self expression of selfishness.

    I want a country with citizens who care about the good of NOT just their own family, but who care about the larger family of humanity, even if that means I have to give up something to help my neighbor. Speaking religiously, isn't that what true Christianity is all about???? The more I listen and read and watch, I am finding myself become less conservative because the root of conservatism seems to be a selfish disregard for anyone but "myself".

  • Anonymous
    March 23, 2010 1:05 a.m.

    THIS MAKES SENSE!!! AWESOME!!

    I would rather have a government go broke by helping families with healthcare...

    instead of going broke killing in a war abroad...

    Utah has the highest rate of bankruptcy because of current healthcare costs to families... so what are they complaining about...

  • Healthcare bill is Un-American
    March 23, 2010 12:57 a.m.

    There are several problems with ObamaCare, but one that stands out on its own is the requirement that all Americans have health insurance. The only way you get out of not having health insurance is to die. Liberty has no place in this bill, it is "comply or die." In a nation that values "Liberty or Death," this bill is un-American and un-Constitutional because it eliminates Liberty from the American equation. I choose Liberty, not death.

  • Anonymous
    March 23, 2010 12:57 a.m.

    God Bless America!

    And God Bless the President!

    Thank you to Obama, Reid, Pelosa who worked on change in America to Benefit all of the American Families.



  • Good for us
    March 23, 2010 12:29 a.m.

    Anyone who can possibly think that the federal government's utopian budget projections submitted to the CBO will result in solvent universal health care is high on the drug of denial.

    Folks, the federal government is broke. You can't deny that and be taken seriously. It can't administer a program of this scope efficiently based on its miserable track record and lack of profit motive.

    AG Shurtleff is doing the right thing by fighting this grossly overreaching legislative leviathan. The states have serious economic stakes in protecting its citizens from punitive programs masquerading as altruism.

    Just remember, the federal government ain't your daddy. Once you get cozy in the culture of dependence, you've become dead weight to the Republic.

  • Homer Forbes
    March 23, 2010 12:08 a.m.

    Equating auto insurance to health insurance is absurd!! If you don't own a car you don't have to buy auto insurance. If you own a car you do have to have auto insurance for the privilege of driving on public roads. Doesn't sound like heaalth insurance to me. If you don't to use public health facilities why should you have to pay for insurance.

  • Bill unconstitional
    March 22, 2010 11:44 p.m.

    To comply with a corrupt bill is to tear down the Costitution.

    We must oppose such corruption to keep the nation we have and love.

  • AU
    March 22, 2010 11:19 p.m.

    TO ACCOMMODATE IS TO BE ABUSED.

  • The NIT
    March 22, 2010 11:13 p.m.

    You have my 100% support. This is a valid and worthwhile use of State of Utah funds. As anyone who has thought this through can see, this was not about health or health care of citizens; but it was/is all about federal power, compulsion and intrusion. It's another step toward complete socialism and it needs to stop for the good of the country. Go get 'em.

  • The important thing
    March 22, 2010 10:52 p.m.

    The most important part: "The government will provide tax credits to help millions of working families buy coverage they can't afford now."

    More people having basic health care coverage is a good thing, if you ask me.

    Whether this was the right way to go about achieving it...I don't know. That's a different question.

    Who knows if it'll work...maybe, maybe not...and considering that the whole bill won't go into action until 2014, there's plenty of time for the whole thing to be either rescinded or altered in the meantime.

    Still, I think a lot of people are missing the point: SOMETHING has to be done to fix the health care system. Even if you don't think universal coverage is that important, the pure truth is that the system is (was?) economically unsustainable for the entire nation in the long run.

  • no wonder why America is broke.
    March 22, 2010 10:44 p.m.

    We are the only country in the world where the government sues itself. I'm not worried though, the chinesse are lending us the money that will be paid with interest by the time 'm dead.

  • Stupid
    March 22, 2010 10:37 p.m.

    I wish the Utah attorney general would quit wasting taxpayer dollars and take on something worthwhile -- like ending the BCS.

  • @you know
    March 22, 2010 10:27 p.m.

    Shouldn't the fact that the president himself can't (won't) explain the bill to us in clear terms be enough for you to be against it? The bill has been outlined in a number of places online, if you just did a little research you could figure things out for yourself. You shouldn't be relying on Congress to explain politics to you or you will never know what you believe because you'll never get a straight non-partisan answer. That is the whole problem with people now is nobody takes the time to figure things out for themselves and they just hope that whatever party they vote for is going to represent them. People you have to be your own guide, nobody is going to hold your hand because they don't care about you.

  • @americanpatriot
    March 22, 2010 10:26 p.m.

    I'm sorry your great-grandfather died in WWII. I served in Iraq as a modern-day soldier three years ago before I retired, and I truly believe it has been a complete waste of money, time, and lives. Billions have been spent on a country that doesn't want us there, they detest our very presence in their country. I have been there and it is true. We have gained nothing there and in fact, we have made the world more dangerous by our presence.

    It is time for health care reform. I have a brother with cancer that can't get coverage since being laid off from his job. He will surely die without surgery and treatments that he is putting off until he has coverage. Pre-existing coverage. I guess he can just die.

  • @8:57 P.M.
    March 22, 2010 9:58 p.m.

    The point of no return is near | 8:57 p.m. March 22, 2010
    Our freedom is being taken away, little by little, a little here and a little there. Go Utah stand for something.

    --------

    What Freedom?

    Religion?
    Speech?
    Press?
    Right to keep and bare arms?

    Name it!

    If this about money and taxes, you are confused.

  • you know
    March 22, 2010 9:45 p.m.

    it's hard to know which way to believe because I for one have not read the lengthy heath-care reform bill front to back. I also haven't heard any congressman or senator step up and explain the whole thing to us either. The President himself told a news reporter he would know what was in the bill the same time as the reporter would find out! What does that say for our leader. If one person who voted for this bill can tell me how this whole reform works, top to bottom, I would be shocked! I do know that there are a lot of people out of work and to have to chose to spend money on health-care over food or rent or be fined is ridiculous.

  • Waste!
    March 22, 2010 9:36 p.m.

    Classic political battle Utah! Throw good money after bad! What a waste! Thanks for throwing my hard earned tax money right into the gutter!

  • Stenar
    March 22, 2010 9:33 p.m.

    Time to vote Shurtleff out.

  • Narrow Minded?
    March 22, 2010 9:32 p.m.

    I'm getting quite sick of the liberals accusing conservatives of only listening to Fox News or AM raio. The underlying suggestion is that any sound-minded person with the REAL FACTS would obviously be "on their side." It is intellectual arrogance of the highest degree.

    There isn't anything more narrow-minded than to say that the conclusion YOU reach is the only possible conclusion an "open-minded" person would possibly come up with.

  • Duh
    March 22, 2010 9:23 p.m.

    Sorry, those who wanted it were the minority, not the majority.

  • Duh
    March 22, 2010 9:22 p.m.

    It is hilarious to me that people compare Health Insurance to Vehicle Insurance. They are not even the same in any way. Vechicle Insurance ensures that you are protected against an accident that cam pccur everytime you drive. Health Insurance is only protecting yourself against high bill cost. It is a lot less expensive to have car insurance than it is to have health insurance. Just ask all those who pay up to $700 per month for it. How will the federal government force you to own up to it? What happens when you don't have employment and can't pay the premiums? If you think you are in a hole now, wait until the start collecting against you, putting liens against you so that they can pay for the insurance that they will be forcing on you. Good luck. Those who wanted it got it which was the majority. Wait until it hits your pocket book that is already too small in today's economy. Got to love Socialism, welcome to Canada.

  • Thank God
    March 22, 2010 9:04 p.m.

    Thank God for this so-called socialism. Parents with little money will now get proper care for their child with a serious genetic disorder. Workers who now cannot afford exorbitant premiums will be able to purchase affordable healthcare. Old people will not be thrown out of their plan once they get seriously ill. I'm wealthy and am glad that my taxes will contribute to the well-being of so many others in need.

    What nonsense when I hear people shout "constitution" and "freedom" and "the Communist States of America"... Pathetic.

  • The point of no return is near
    March 22, 2010 8:57 p.m.

    Our freedom is being taken away, little by little, a little here and a little there. Go Utah stand for something.

  • american patriot
    March 22, 2010 8:55 p.m.

    i am gratefule for my great-grandfather who was killed defending freedom at the battle of the bulge. he got a purple heart and silver star for courage in the face of the enemy. I will continue what he left in defense of my fellow americans freedoms.

  • Mario McCash
    March 22, 2010 8:50 p.m.

    For seemingly bizarre and strange reasons, Utah is an all-Red State, vastly dominated by conservative Republicans; I assume this to be over 90% of the voting population.

    As such, Utah is against health insurance reform because Republicans are against the bill and its reforms. And Utah is so pro-conservative Republican, it wants to repeal the bill and use the Courts to become exempt from its provisions.

    Why would Utah do this? What is the alternative?

    The goal for Utah is to not change anything really. Keep the status quo at all costs.

    So what's the message?

    We would rather be cut-off due to pre-existing conditions.

    We would rather have lifetime caps.

    We would rather have our children cut-off for pre-existing conditions and lose coverage at age 18/19.

    We would rather be terminated from our policies due to illness.

    We would rather have the less fortunate not have any insurance.

    We care more about "cost" and money than we care about people's lives.

    We would rather have for-profit insurance companies make our health care decisions for us, and allow insurance bean counters determine who lives and who dies.

    Is Utah heartless?

  • americanpatriot
    March 22, 2010 8:46 p.m.

    to all of you people who crirtcize the wars in Iraq and afganistan, you are forgetting that the reason we are safe here is because they are there. other wise there would be fighting in the streets. Which there may well be soon. for all of those who dont care about liberty or freedom, you are welocme to go to the middle east were they live in fear everyday. :PS Myh ancestors die dfor freedom and for what they believed my great-grandfather being one of them in world war 2

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 8:34 p.m.

    The health bill will save the US money. How many of the uninsured end up filing bankruptcy because they cannot afford their medical bills? Who pays for that? How much money is lost to hospitals who have to write-off medical debt? Who pays for that? Health insurance carriers lobbied against it, I wonder why? Health care is a human right that should be accessible to each and every American, regardless of their ability to pay for it.

  • NorthboundZax
    March 22, 2010 8:33 p.m.

    *Sigh* I had a lot more respect for Shurtleff than this.

    Before President Obama picked up the banner of health care I can't hearing remember one person that thought our current healthcare system didn't need a serious overhaul. But because it is the *other* side that is advancing it, it seems all the stops are being pulled to keep our clunky, painful, client-gouging healthcare system solely in the hands of the private sector that has brought us the clunky, painful, client-gouging system in the first place. C'mon Shurtleff, you don't need to play the stupid obstructionist game, too.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 8:26 p.m.

    What a waste of money. This will never win in court. As for Shurtleff, I am sure he is aware that Federal law supersedes state law. HB67 is nothing more than political maneuvering.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 8:16 p.m.

    Pathetic waste of money.

  • Hooray!
    March 22, 2010 8:15 p.m.

    I hope that this bill will help combat global warming(I mean climate change)and reduce our indepenence on foreign oil!

  • Lame reasoning
    March 22, 2010 8:14 p.m.

    Uh, where were you liberals!!! We did get upset with Bush for passing the Bank bailout bill. Also, we know health care reform is necessary, but allowing the government to run it is the problem!!! The politicians don't care about you or myself, they care about their power and benefits. They are just as bad if not worse than these so called 'Evil' Corporations. Atleast corporations know how to run a company. Government can't run a company worth a squat. Bash all you want, but I WILL NEVER AGREE WITH MARXISM.

  • Jon Allen
    March 22, 2010 8:11 p.m.

    Do NOT under any circumstances waste Utah taxpayer dollars trying to sue Congress over it's recently-passed health reform bill. Whether you agree with this bill or not, it's naive to believe a lawsuit of this sort has any chance whatsoever at repealing the law or changing it in any substantial way. Any reforms will be legislative, not judicial. PLEASE do no waste money Utah does not have on what amounts to a frivolous lawsuit. If you proceed with this lawsuit Mr. Shurtleff, you will lose LOTS of votes in the next election. Stop trying to score political points and focus on what is best for Utah taxpayers.

  • Pioneerkid
    March 22, 2010 7:54 p.m.

    We believe in being subject to Kings, Presidents ... magestrates...and in HONORING obeying and sustaining the law.

    Which in this country is more-or-less the law of majority rule. The tea party movement is seditious.

    This state above all others should see it that way and reject the party of greed and disruption. If you want to see a real revolution; don't expect a democracy to reemerge soon - our last civil war over states rights issues cost us dearly. The South may be foolish enough to rise again, but we will not be party to it.

    The existing health care laws - already socialistic and extremely capricious - bankrupted many; while making many more weathly. The party of Bush had many years to address the unfairness of the health care system but they elected not to. We honored their decision up until we duely elected a new government. We can do that.

    Bad law or good, it is the will-of-the-people's chosen representatives and our president. It is their charter to Protect the General Welfare, not just the welfare of the lucky few. A court challenge is supremely stupid.

  • SA
    March 22, 2010 7:54 p.m.

    OK, there is insurance that is corporate insurance and then there is insurance that is mandated or you go to jail. Am I wrong?

    Which do you prefer? Where is the free agency?

  • What has Utah done
    March 22, 2010 7:45 p.m.

    All these fanatic legislators say this is a state right issue. What have they done to help bring down cost?

    Start a health exchange that hasnt even worked by their own admission.

    They do not care because they are bought and paid for to keep the status qou.

    This federal bill is far from perfect but you know what? If a you act as an moderate or independent in Washington D.C you are commiting political suicide because some one in your own party will say you are not conservative or liberal enough and run against you.

    The party delegates who are usually the fanatics get to decide who we vote for. This process has to stop.

    This forces all politicians to polarize. Look at Sentor Bennett. I wouldn't even say he is that moderate and he is being attacked for not being right enough. Same with Matheson. The hard core democrats want him out.


    The Republican and Democrat parties control America and are destroying it. We need independant people to run on middle of the road politics

  • @answer this, liberals
    March 22, 2010 7:24 p.m.

    I guess you assume only far left fanatics want something done with health care.

    I agree that this bill is far from perfect but republicans only seem to care about rich people. They had six years of solid majoirtiy and all we got was a tax cut for rich people and two endless wars.

    I believe this is a starting process and hopefully cooler heads will prevail and amendments to the law will come later.

  • CJ
    March 22, 2010 7:23 p.m.

    Lets see if Comrades Obama, Reid, and Pelosi can pay off a few judges to complete their crime and perfect the rest of their corruption in this unlawful deal. I hate to suggest it and give them the idea but these three criminals have probably already thought of it. I hope all of you fools who voted in Karl Marx as President feel really intelligent right now. Even his own base is turning on him. Good job fools!

  • Jonah
    March 22, 2010 7:02 p.m.

    Personally, there are some days I can't wait until you liberal left-wingers are destroyed by THE 'Big Guy' himself.

    Yesterday was one of those days.

    I've got nothing against you personally but when your stupid ideas continue to destroy the country that is a gift from God, I take issue with that.

    Tick, tock, tick, tock.....

  • Answer This, Liberals!
    March 22, 2010 6:55 p.m.

    This bill is flat-out, absolutely un-Constitutional.

    NOWHERE in the Constitution does it say that the Federal Government has the authority to make people buy a particular product.

    NOWHERE!

    And, please, don't give me the 'commerce clause' argument or the car insurance argument.

    The 'commerce clause' was not meant to punish (that's what a fine is: 'punishment') people for not buying a particular product which is EXACTLY what this disaster of a health care bill does: it punishes people for not buying a particular product.

    Vehicle insurance argument: Yes, if you drive you must, by law, buy car insurance.

    However....

    if you don't want to buy car insurance you are free to not buy a car but THERE IS NO SUCH 'OPT OUT' CLAUSE IN THIS BILL! (and somehow I don't think 330 million of us are Amish so don't go there....)

    My question, which I've asked repeatedly but have never had it answered by any liberal, is if the government can order you to buy healthcare insurance then what will stop them from ordering you to buy a 2010 GM vehicle to spur the economy??????????

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 6:53 p.m.

    re-maw

    Amen. Love the propaganda for the Repubs at my expense.

  • pat b
    March 22, 2010 6:52 p.m.

    Best news I have heard all day!

  • trying to understand
    March 22, 2010 6:51 p.m.

    The UT government is upset that this bill is unconstituional and outragiously expensive, so they're filing lawsuit. Thus spending even more taxpayer money. Am I the only one who finds this strange?

  • Mario Andretti
    March 22, 2010 6:51 p.m.

    Auto insurance and health insurance are not the same. Auto insurance is for a car. If you don't want to pay auto insurance, don't buy a car. Nobody is forcing you to buy a car.

  • BYU 71
    March 22, 2010 6:50 p.m.

    This nothing but political grand standing. Health care reform is long overdue. Without health care reform, for-profit hospitals, insurance companies and greedy doctors will continue to bleed this country dry.

  • Bye Bye
    March 22, 2010 6:49 p.m.

    Susan - feel free to leave Utah any time.

  • maw
    March 22, 2010 6:31 p.m.

    Let's see, First, a bailout for the GOP's banking pals un W.; then a stimulus for both sides Wall St. slackers, and now a Jobs Bill for GOP lawyers who will get rich suing against this bill instead of actually coming up with and working toward some common goals. Thanks consrvatives!

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 6:31 p.m.

    All insurance is corporate socialism. Socialism for profit. Either you are paying for someone who is sicker than you are, or they are paying for you if you are sicker than they are. I doubt you could come up with a lot of people who come out even with their premiums.

    The difference is, that the insurance companies are doing their best to insure they pay out the least amount possible to line their own pockets. They'll drop you as soon as look at you if they can come up with any reason if you get sick. If you are on medicare, they'll happily let you be wards of the state dropping you for being old even if you never got sick.

    Get off your anti-socialist high horses. And for you who say Shurtliffe isn't against the pre-existing conditions stipulatations--it's the same thing. Think about it. One cannot exist without the other. And those of you who have become process moralists--do you even know how government works. Look at how the Patriot Act was passed if you think the Republicans are such bastions of purity.

  • Informed
    March 22, 2010 6:28 p.m.

    The US is falling apart fast. I hope we can reverse this obomanation!

  • GWB
    March 22, 2010 6:22 p.m.

    All you tort reform fans out there, did you notice that the Conservative Georgia Supreme court ruled that the medical malpractice limits in their state tort reform law were an unconctitutional infringement on the right to a jury trial.

    Remeber, that was Georgia where the people elect their judges and the home of people like Newt Gingrich and other notable conservatives.

  • Chris
    March 22, 2010 6:16 p.m.

    Yo Jennifer, Utah isn't the only state that is doing this. Get the facts before you run off at the mouth.

  • @Stupid Is As Stupid Does
    March 22, 2010 6:12 p.m.

    And I bet you and your ilk voted at least 10X in that poll. And I do understand that you truely believe your opinion is worth 10 votes. It's a repug thing. The only poll that counts is the one we had on Nov. 4th, 2008. 70,000,000 of us voted for Obama and WON. I've never felt more proud to be an American patriot.

  • March 22, 2010 6:11 p.m.

    OK so quit thinking of the mandate thing as a mandate--think of it as liability insurance. You have said you think liability insurance is OK it keeps drivers from hurting other drivers without being able to pay right? Well the mandate to have health insurance is liability for yourself and your family, it keeps me from having to pay for your care should you or yours have to go to the emergency room.

    Liability people. Or we could drop the mandate and we could drop all free rides in the emergency room. Don't get health insurance, you pay for your own ambulence ride and emergency room out of pocket, no protection under bankrupcy. You who choose to opt out, can do what you want and pay your own way. Or you can go to Mexico, or you can hire the dude down the street to do your emergency appendectomy or your kid's brain surgery. But don't ask for any handouts.

    By the way all you Republican Romney lovers, you can kiss your Mormon Pres. goodbye. Health Care is based on his plan--your protests kill him as a candidate.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 6:10 p.m.

    I agree that this bill should be compared with Social Security. Social Security is a mess. So will be the results of this bill. I disagree with everything to do with social security. I should not have to pay social security because I am planning my own retirement. I don't need the government's help. If they do force payments down my throat (this is assuming they keep it going until I retire), I will probably just donate my payments to a charity of my choice. Of course the government probably wouldn't like that, since they think they should dictate how everyone's money is "donated". One last thought, Obama just might have passed Jimmy Carter as the worst president ever with this thing. I would say for sure, but I hate to take that away from Jimmy.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 6:09 p.m.

    TO --- Re: Try to Understand | 4:34 p.m | 5:20 p.m

    ["Make your case why Obama care is not socialism"]

    ?? make your case how it IS socialism. because it simply looks like spreading costs and making people pay more of their fair share to me. and if that's your idea of socialism, then stop using MY hiways...

  • RE --- To AMA | 3:59 | 5:02 pm
    March 22, 2010 6:05 p.m.

    yes, and Obama is a commie that wasn't even born in the usa. no one ever walked on the moon and dinosaurs are a big conspiracy...

    well, thanks for the laugh anyway...

  • Refresh...
    March 22, 2010 6:05 p.m.

    my memory...why did the Prime Minister of Canada come to the US for his surgery? Was it because many of the doctors there don't WANT to be doctors anymore?

    Fewer doctors (their freedoms will be impeded by this bill), means fewer choices (our freedoms will be impeded) and fewer avenues for care (i.e. rationing.) Is that a good enough lesson on how this will take away freedom?

  • re - Where? | 5:01 p.m.
    March 22, 2010 6:02 p.m.

    ["Where do these people come from that think someone else should pay for their health care?"]

    I don't know... but we are all paying for these uninsured people now - at least this way they have to pay for some of it themselves...

    couldn't tell if that was your point or if it was the other way...

  • Mildred Abramski
    March 22, 2010 5:58 p.m.

    I don't like the way they voted on this healtcare reform bill by making deals with people and buying them off, shame on them. Why can't the people vote on it, being it will be controlling them. Socialism at its fullest. Let us all remember this when voting time comes, they had their votes we will have ours.

  • Angela Rose
    March 22, 2010 5:52 p.m.

    I feel any law that forces me to buy something I don't want is wrong, what will they do next, tell me I have to buy a certain car they want to move along? This is dictorship. Some people don't see what is happening and will be controlled by the government.

  • To those who are Anti-Socialist
    March 22, 2010 5:51 p.m.

    Don't like it?

    What about your Social Security?
    What about your Medicare?

    Please tell me you don't consider those evil Social programs either.

    And if you hate Cosicalism and Communism.

    I hope and pray you NEVER EVER buy anything from those evil, wicked countries as well.

  • Pre-existing Conditions
    March 22, 2010 5:51 p.m.

    Covering people with pre-existing conditions sounds nice but if the government mandates that a person cannot be turned away for health insurance because they have cancer, what is going to stop the government from telling my insurance company that they can't NOT pay you when your house burns down but you'd previously chosen to not pay for insurance????

    Am I really supposed to cover you (in the form of higher premiums I'll be forced to pay) just because you were an idiot and chose to not get insurance?

    Again, I ask, what's the difference between pre-existing health conditions and pre-existing damage to your home or car?

    What's going to stop the gov't from mandating THIS?

    Sometimes, folks, bad things happen to good people. That's just the way life is!

  • Republican Healthcare Reform
    March 22, 2010 5:46 p.m.

    1 - Interstate insurance company competition

    2 - TORT REFORM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    3 - Make it illegal to drop existing insurance company customers simply because they get ill or hurt

    4 - Get the federal government OUT of health care

    THIS is the kind of common sense health care reform that most Americans want.

  • Stupid Is As Stupid Does
    March 22, 2010 5:38 p.m.

    Any liberal that proclaims that the majority of Americans want THIS kind of health care is NOT being honest in the slightest degree.

    Virtually EVERY poll, be it from Fox News down to more Democrat-friendly polls, clearly shows that the majority of Americans DO NOT WANT OBAMACARE!

    Health care reform?

    Yes!

    Obamacare?

    NO!

    I saw Alan Combs (sp?) on Fox today and he said "Yes, most Americans don't like the bill but that's misleading because when the bill is explained they like PARTS of the bill.", to which I choked on that line of stupidity and the Fox News anchor, Megyn Kelly intelligently replied "Alan, the bill is the bill. You can't pass just part of it."

    In other words, if there's good things in the bill that are outweighed by the bad parts of the bill (which is the case) then the bill is not a "good" thing.

    msndotcom has a voting poll open to the public right now in which it is:

    0.9% Other
    6.4% Don't Know
    26% Yes
    66.8% NO!

    There are currently 594,912 people who voted in the survey!

    That's no small number...


  • great move
    March 22, 2010 5:36 p.m.

    sue the govt. that is trying help the poor, the disenfranchised, the unemployed, the sick, and the people with previously conditions that cannot get coverage. We, us you and me, pay emergency rooms for their care now...

    how utterly stupid to be suing. WWJD? WWJS?

    Are there any Christians out there?

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 5:26 p.m.

    Frog's vision | 12:59 p.m. March 22, 2010
    Frog's vision | 12:59 p.m. March 22, 2010
    Oh my fellow Utahns, this is the vision and metality of a toad in the bottom of a dry well, who sees and believes that the sky is only a light bulb!

    Healthcare is a human right, part of the rights to freedom and happiness. Because of this historical event, The United States of America has become a better country for her entire citizens generations after generations, which include Utahns.

    Remember only with a healthy life can one pursues freedom and happiness.

    This legislation puts the health concerns away from every American's mind and let every American pursue their dream, even though there is a dollar cost or some personal lose to it.

    What do our state government want - not to pay for the tax and not to receive the benefits of this healthcare reform?

    Only with money and a fast car can I pursue freedom and happiness, but I don't consider them a human right. Get the point...

  • Re: Try to Understand | 4:34 p.m
    March 22, 2010 5:20 p.m.

    Make your case why Obama care is not socialism. Deliniate each point of difference. Also make your case in the context of the 10th Ammendment. In your great and all knowing wisdom and constitutional expertise, define in detail the difference between your so called social contract and socialism. Also explain yourself in the context of all the behind close doors dirty deals and veiled threats to all legislators who did not go along with Obama the neocommunist.

  • re -- Car Insurance | 4:28 p.m
    March 22, 2010 5:15 p.m.

    ["The reason we are required to have car insurance is in case we hit someone and cause damage to them. That is the minimum you are required to get. Health insurance is totally different"]

    you have to do better than "health insurance is totally different".. from where I sit, they look the same. both are mandated so the costs are evenly spread...

    you want to elaborate?

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 5:12 p.m.

    I say make it simple... if you get sick and you don't have insurance and you can't pay for your care then they should wheel your gurney out to the parking lot and give you one phone call to have someone pick you up...

    that ok with you all? Because I am tired of my insurance rates going up simply because some of you don't want to have to pay for insurance.

    and those arguing it isn't like car insurance - it is exactly like car insurance. If you don't drive, you don't need car insurance. if you don't go to a doctor, you don't need medical insurance...

    you only get fined for not having insurance IF you go to the doctor and don't have insurance... so don't go to the doctor - don't get sick. works for me...

    but don't go to the ER and say you have no insurance and make it so my rates go up... that's not acceptable..

  • count me in!
    March 22, 2010 5:06 p.m.

    What ever we as utahns need to do to stop this insane health care bill, I'm all for it! Go for it Shurtleff!!!!

  • re -- Helen Selander | 11:42 am
    March 22, 2010 5:04 p.m.

    ["Health insurance is not a right. It has never been a right, and it will never be a right. The care of your health is your personal responsibility. Be careful, America."]

    no one said it was a right.... we said we were tired of paying for the people that go to the ER with no insurance. now they have to have insurance.

    just like auto insurance...

  • Freedom to not
    March 22, 2010 5:04 p.m.

    pay for free loaders. When you take my property (money) to pay for someone else's health care you are taking my freedom to do with that money as I deem fit. You are therefore infringing on my freedom. I am sure the founders would consider it unreasonable seizure to seize my money to pay for some free loader.

  • Romneycare at its best
    March 22, 2010 5:02 p.m.

    Utahns didn't mind a pro-choice Romney on social issues, neither did they mind he ran in 2008 on "health care for all," but since a Democrat is pushing it forward, it must be bad. Law suits will put Obama in on landslide in 2012.

  • To AMA | 3:59
    March 22, 2010 5:02 p.m.

    I can tell by your comment you're not an actual member of the AMA.

    The lawsuit is not against "reform." It's against the illegal appropriation by government of a large portion of the economy, the livelihood of hundreds of thousands of health care professionals, and the destruction of the health care system that will be wrought by such a radical communitarian socialist agenda.

    No one currently insured will EVER see an improvement in their coverage. ALL currently insured will see an immediate cost increase, and over time will see their current plan converted to a one-size-fits-all rationed-care government plan.

    Further, over time, there will be fewer and fewer health care professionals to provide care, fewer and fewer institutions in which care is provided, fewer and fewer medications available

    Though it denies it, the AMA is aware of the destruction about to occur, but chooses to lie about it, as the bureaucrats within the orgainzation are in the tank for Obama to the extent of selling out AMA's membership.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 5:01 p.m.

    Don't you love health insurance companies. they've just convinced nearly the whole of Utah that they want to continue paying into the same system that causes more bankrupcies in this state than any other one thing. By the way, the bankrupcies just lowered your house value, adn cost the state a ton o bucks.

    They are marvels of advertising and misinformation. Those who are terrified of having the government intervene should instead be terrified that they will soon be priced right out of their insurance. They will be paying deductibles in the thousands soon where the insurance agencies will pocket all of the profits and pay nothing out because you all will have to head to the emergency room to get your care because you will never get the deducible off your back--then the rest of us will pay for you too.

    How big businesss gets you all to vote against your self interest is truly genius.

  • re - Constitution? | 11:10 a.m
    March 22, 2010 5:01 p.m.

    ["We have seen from day one that Obama and Pelosi have no respect for our Constitution. They are stomping on it, treating it like a laughing stock. They are so egotistical, and they care more about their names in history that about being humble leaders. Are there any humble leaders anymore?"]

    like bush? LOL

  • Where?
    March 22, 2010 5:01 p.m.

    Where do these people come from that think someone else should pay for their health care? When did we start to believe that others should buy us a car, or educate our children or pay for our food? Where does it stop? Everyone should take care of themselves, their families and then look out for their neighbors. Individuals should do it. Churches should do it. Non-profit groups should do it. NOT THE GOVERNMENT! America is the greatest nation on earth because of our individual freedoms and generosity. Not because of Obama, the progressives and their welfare state. If you want to spend your money on wasted government programs-do it! But let me decide how to spend mine. That's what freedom is all about.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 5:00 p.m.

    TO --- Re: Car Insurance | 11:34 a.m

    ["You need to understand that mandatory car insurance is a product of the state government. The federal government has no such authority. The federal gov't was created by the original thirteen states and those states came together and decided what they would allow a federal government to do. Those limitations on the power of the federal government are what we call the Constitution. That document is a set of limits."]

    and those limits have been construed to mean this insurance bill is acceptable....

    do all you "original states" people really think that we could survive using your limited view of the constitution? we are a NATION, not a bunch of independant states.

    the sooner you figue that out the better off we'll be...

  • Iraq war unconstitutional
    March 22, 2010 4:59 p.m.

    You will lose on this law suit; even GOP appointees on Supreme Court don't vote for state rights on federal issues.

  • Julie
    March 22, 2010 4:55 p.m.

    I am so tired of the government in Washington D.C. telling me what to do. What ever happened to freedom of choice? Freedom to choose whether I want insurance or not? Talk about partison politics, this proves that Obama does not care what the people want. I predict he will not be re-elected because of this.

  • The Problem
    March 22, 2010 4:55 p.m.

    with those of us who are against the bill is not that we are greedy or selfish, as liberals love to default to. Most of us aren't even rich. The problem we have is that we actually weigh options in a cause-and-effect universe. We don't just take things at face value. We would love to be excited about this bill, but some of us, unfortunately, are burdened with logic.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 4:53 p.m.

    "Political garbage. Insurance mandates have been in place for many years. The automobile insurance mandates are the classic example. This lawsuit will cost the taxpayers of Utah and will gain nothing."

    WRONG! Nobody is forcing you to buy a car and operate it on the highway. This bill mandates people buy insurance whether they chose to or not.

  • Freedom
    March 22, 2010 4:47 p.m.

    What freedom and liberty are you suing for?

    Freedom to drop your insurance when you get sick?
    Freedom to raise your premium to make more money year after year?
    Freedom to decline your daughter because her pre-existing pregnancy?

    OR

    Freedom to keep your insurance when you lose your job?
    Freedom to help you pay insurance when you are struggling (up to $88K, that's most likely including you, get it!)
    Freedom to limit your healthcare cost to

  • One way to handle this
    March 22, 2010 4:46 p.m.

    For the people who don't want to be "forced" to have insurance -- let them be responsible for every penny of health care they use. A child falls out of a tree and breaks a bone -- make the parent pay eery penny it takes to heal the child (and if they can't pay to heal the child, eliminate their parental rights, make the child a ward of the state and place him/her with someone who will properly take care of him/her). A person has cancer -- make them pay every penny it takes to treat the disease. Etc., etc., etc.

    They don't want insurance? Make them pay the total price for their choice.

  • doug
    March 22, 2010 4:44 p.m.

    thank you mr shurtleff

  • Priceless Picture
    March 22, 2010 4:43 p.m.

    Says it all, doesn't it?

  • Try to Understand
    March 22, 2010 4:34 p.m.

    I think there are some people out here that don't understand the difference between social contract and socialism.

    The health care bill is not socialism. Everyone who is paying for health insurance and taxes is already paying for everyone else who has health insurance or medicare or medicade. That's how it works. We all pay into the system to spread out the cost over everyone. The probem is that there are a lot of people who fall through the cracks--those who get dumped by their health care providers because face it insurance companies would like nothing better than to only cover the healthiest 10 percent of people.


    This way, we all have more of a fighting chance. individual rights are not diminished. We are all paying. If you don't like the car insurance analogy, think instead of highways. Not everyone drives a car on every highway, but we all pay for them. It's part of belonging to a society. None of us are self sufficient. We gave that up a long time ago. If you don't think so, go give it a try.

  • mark
    March 22, 2010 4:32 p.m.

    Republicans locally will HATE healthcare reform...oh, except those small business tax breaks, oh, and having kids on their parent's policy, and doughnut holes for seniors, and pre-exisiting conditions. and caps insurance companies will give on certain diseases, and, and, and, and.....

    Utah politicians attack these provisions, at your own PERIL.You can be voted out of office just as easily.

  • Irene
    March 22, 2010 4:31 p.m.

    Hello Anonymous, Vehicle insurance is supposed to protect the driver and the victims of an accident. Health insurance is a personal thing. Millions of people don't have it because they are rich enough to pay their doctor and hospital bills. They don't need health insurance. There are also millions of people on welfare, they have lived that way for years and it's so good, they don't see any reason to change. Why should I who carry insurance for both be forced to take care of them? The president and all of his "friends" are socialists and want the country to be like them.

  • Freedom Fighter
    March 22, 2010 4:29 p.m.

    Please --

    What FREEDOM was ever taken away?

    Religion?
    Speech?
    Assemble?
    Due Process?
    Right to keep and bare arms?

    Name one, and I'll listen!

    Otherwise - it just more
    Yaddah, yaddah, yaddah
    Blah, blah, blah
    whah, whah, whah,
    whining from the pathetic right.

  • Car Insurance
    March 22, 2010 4:28 p.m.

    The reason we are required to have car insurance is in case we hit someone and cause damage to them. That is the minimum you are required to get. Health insurance is totally different

  • Not Karl
    March 22, 2010 4:20 p.m.

    Thank you, Mr. Shurtleff. I appreciate an elected official with the guts to fight for freedom.

    People who want this kind of legislation are in the minority, but they still have options. They can move to Massachusetts or another more socialistic state. They might leave America altogether for Canada or England or Greece. But please don't paint me as a bad guy for wishing to be responsible for myself and expecting you to do the same.

  • Buy some stock now!
    March 22, 2010 4:13 p.m.

    Health care stocks -- in particular hospitals -- have started the day with sharp gains as the overhang regarding the uncertain status for the health care bill has now been removed. Shares of Tenet Healtcare (THC) are up 5.4%, Health Management Associates (HMA) is up 7.8%, and Community Health Systems (CYH) is higher by 5.7%.

    Why all the complaining from the Republicans. They often brag about their savvy financial deals and making money while others suffer in the pit of despair.

    Buy some stock in healthcare companies! Hospitals will have tons of cash now that their customers will actually have the ability to pay them. Write-offs go down, profits UP UP UP.

    This could be a great opportunity to make some cash- pull your heads out!

  • RE: No thank you
    March 22, 2010 4:12 p.m.

    Way to twist the scriptures to mean what you want them to mean. Socialism (or this health care bill if you insist it is not socialistic) are NOT moving toward the Law of Consecration. The Law of Consecration will be voluntarily entered into. Socialism (and this bill) are not voluntary. They force people. I happily freely give part of what little I have (and right now I do have VERY little) to those who have less, but I would rather the government not force me to do it.

  • Waste of time
    March 22, 2010 4:06 p.m.

    What a gigantic waste of time and money by the AG to ensure future votes. Perhaps Shurtleff should re-read the U.S. Constitution. A little thing called the "Commerce Clause" and another little thing called "Supremacy" allow the Federal Government to enact healthcare legislation.

    Many decades ago, similar complaints and outrage were expressed when the Federal gov't enacted Medicare. Medicare is still here. Many decades from now, this new healthcare legislation will likewise be here. The U.S. Constitution gives the Federal Government the power to do so, and Shurtleff will waste millions of Utah taxpayer dollars in vain.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 4:05 p.m.

    ka,

    "Our freedoms are disapearing faster then you can say President Obama "

    What freedoms have you lost? Can you name one?

  • To those against this lawsuit:
    March 22, 2010 4:05 p.m.

    I have a few points to shoot down your arguments:

    1. Shurtleff is mainly challenging the part of the bill that requires everyone to have health insurance. In other words, he is not challenging the parts that require insurance companies to accept those with preexisting conditions.

    2. It is not just "wing-nut Utahns" that are doing this. If you didn't notice, 9 other states (including mostly Democrat swing states Florida and Pennsylvania and mostly liberal Washington) are doing it as well. The Bill was not bipartisan. The opposition to at least a certain part of it is.

    Next time, read an article before you comment. Please.

  • Re: 3:45 & Phillip Diller
    March 22, 2010 4:03 p.m.

    Re: 3:45 - The basis of liberal thought tends towards action at all times. For better of for worse, the consequences be damned, just act. there is a time an place for sound and swift action. I just don't think that now is that time.

    Re: Phillip Diller - I haven't chosen to use the words freedom or liberty, but the moment that those words don't mane anything any more is the moment that our nation is truly lost. While I don't think this is a freedom or liberty issue, I do believe that it is a constitutional issue and that our current president has lied in his oath of office to uphold and defend the constitution.

    Re: Everybody that is going to say, well, you probably supported Bush - the truthful answer is that no, I didn't. I didn't like the fact that those decisions were based in fear and terror, just as I don't like how the recent decisions have been backed by fear mongering and declarations of being unpatriotic.
    I salute the flag, say the pledge of allegiance at every opportunity, and love our country. Mr. President, please keep your change.

  • American Medical Association
    March 22, 2010 3:59 p.m.

    Mikey likes it so why won't you?

    “By extending health coverage to tens of millions of uninsured, improving competition and choice in the insurance marketplace, promoting prevention and wellness, reducing administrative burdens, and promoting clinical comparative effectiveness research, this bill will help patients and the physicians who care for them. There are increased payments for primary care physicians caring for Medicaid patients and bonus payments for physicians in underserved areas.

    Those who have insurance will see improvements right away: lifetime caps on coverage end; children can stay on parents’ policies until age 26, and insurance companies can’t cancel coverage except in the case of fraud.

  • Fetchin Shirtless
    March 22, 2010 3:59 p.m.

    Waste of time and money.

    The party of NO strikes again (on our dime).

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 3:56 p.m.

    Most of the individuals up in arms about this are the victims of the misinformation campaigns financed by the insurance companies. nothing in this bill represents anything resembling socialism. i find myself getting irritated but need to remember most "ain't smart" and don't understand what is going on. unfortunately the fake christian republican right is very successful in galvanizing those who are greedy and view the poor with derision. read people, get educated.

  • I call baloney
    March 22, 2010 3:53 p.m.

    I don't believe it's "un-Christian" to not have government mandated healthcare. The more we abdicate our responsibilities to the government, the more people feel entitled and the less people feel responsible to care for each other and be their brothers' keepers because "it's the government's responsibility, not mine."

    Congress and Obama are passing a bill that most of them haven't even read completely and that most of the citizens do not want. I'm not against reform. I'm against THIS reform. Not all change is good. Only GOOD change is good.

    Claiming that if someone isn't insured, taxpayers end up paying their bills ignores the fact that many people pay their medical bills WITHOUT having insurance. Those who go to the emergency room without insurance still get billed, and MANY of them pay those bills.

    Claiming it's like auto insurance is a bad analogy. Nobody is required to insure a car that they own outright. Only liability is required. If someone chooses to risk having to pay their own medical bills or not get treatment, perhaps that should be their choice (although probably a bad one), not the government's.

  • Phillip Diller
    March 22, 2010 3:51 p.m.

    Republicans blame Obama for not even attempting to reach across the isle, but they democrats have sacrificed tons of their original wishes in order to make this happen. Give them credit. And quit using stupid words like "liberty" and "freedom," because they don't mean anything. Thanks.

  • Relamebicans
    March 22, 2010 3:49 p.m.

    It's funny how so many people don't realize how ridiculous they are being about this. They LOVE medicare, but they can't see any good in Obama's compromised plan.

  • JoAnn Jeppsen
    March 22, 2010 3:48 p.m.

    It is time we stand up and be counted for the constitution of these United States! This process was not one of rule of law, it was all about how to get around it.

  • Bryant
    March 22, 2010 3:46 p.m.

    Nice to see our AG doing this. This is a real issue as opposed to worrying about the BCS.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 3:45 p.m.

    At least the Democrats did something! Go work in any hospital and notice how many are uninsured. If you don't think it's a problem...think again. At least Democrats are DOING instead of just BASHING.

  • Charlie
    March 22, 2010 3:44 p.m.

    Re:"Questions" 3:10

    Thank you, Republicans do not want those questions asked.

    During the Bush War - the people of Utah all supported and said hey lets spend the money.

    Now with Health Care Reform - the people of Utah say no lets not help our citizens lets not help the people of our country it is expensive.

    There are two ways of looking at this mess - Doing things the same way or trying to improve the way things have been.

  • Lj
    March 22, 2010 3:39 p.m.

    First, to the WWJD? question. He NEVER forces anyone to do anything. Got that?
    Next, this is NOT about insurance, this bill is about taking more freedoms from the people and MORE CONTROL over our lives. Very few of the "appealing" promises will be fulfilled. (Except to elite groups and individuals who helped pass this.) The money isn't there even if we did want to pass such a catastrophe. Before you know it, you will be denied coverage in such cases as for example: Your 88 year old Mom is too old for that surgery to save her life. Denied. You want to be covered for your 3rd pregnancy.....or maybe more than that." Denied. Just wait. Big brother is really out to control our lives.

  • Greg
    March 22, 2010 3:38 p.m.

    It is amazing to me that no one commenting here seems to understand why the insurance is mandated. It is to allow costs to be lower (economy in numbers), and to allow pre-existing conditions to be covered. It would be a nightmare to administer and much more costly if anyone could just wait until they are sick to buy insurance, then cancel when they are better, then buy when they are sick, etc. It is not about communism or socialism!

  • Thank you!
    March 22, 2010 3:34 p.m.

    Thank you for standing up for our rights! I'm glad SOMEONE is listening to the will of the people!

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 3:24 p.m.

    My MIL lives in Canada with her husband who is a legal citizen of that country. Guess what!! She gets better medical care there than I get with the PCN Medicaid program here in Utah and she's not a citizen.

    I would like for Shurtleff to go without any medical insurance for 10 years and watch him pay for his care out of pocket or have to see social services at the hospital to get help with paying for it.

    Personally I would much perfer to pay for someone else to have health insurance rather than see the costs of medical care go up as a way to cover for the loses of the uninsured.

  • What would the Savior do?
    March 22, 2010 3:17 p.m.

    re: "I wonder". It isn't a question of whether the Savior would want healthcare for everyone or not. One thing is for sure however; and that is, He wouldn't use the tactics the democrats used to get there; nor would he pay for it with increaased debt or off of the backs of the "working" class. There's no free ride for anyone! As President Ezra Taft Benson once said, Socialism is nothing more than a lower form of communism. Therefore, do you think the Savior would approve? I seriously doubt it!

  • RAM85
    March 22, 2010 3:17 p.m.

    Good for Utah. Way to join my native Idaho in filing suite against this socialized mess.

  • Only increasing the unemployment
    March 22, 2010 3:13 p.m.

    This bill is going to raise the unemployment rate!!!! How is my hard worker father who is a broker supposed to make a average living now? there will be massive lay offs from the health industry. by forcing this bill down everyones throat my harding working father will now possibly lose his job.

  • $$$$$
    March 22, 2010 3:12 p.m.

    The state of Utah is run by Republicans!



    Republicans are run by insurance companies!



    The state of Utah will spend the money to protect the insurance companies!

  • @representation
    March 22, 2010 3:11 p.m.

    It's not only people in Utah who are unhappy about this bill and the methods used to get it passed, I live in President Obama's home state of Illinois.

    Many people who were so happy and saw him as the vehicle for positive change are very upset about this bill, and have lost faith in him. (At least most of the people who have jobs, or use to have jobs are expressing this sentiment, the hard-core partisan democrats I'm sure still think he's going to give them everything they need and/or want).

    A family that I know were very supportative of President Obama, going to rallies, calling people to vote for him last Fall, no longer support him because "he wasn't the man they thought he was". And living in the Chicago area are all too familiar with the way politics are done, and now this administration is following suit. Utah, if you think it will do any good to bring this lawsuit,if you think they care about what people think, more power to you.

  • Questions
    March 22, 2010 3:10 p.m.

    Shurleff and Utah- Some questions to ponder.

    Is it legal to torture prisoners? Bush Cheney

    Is it legal to wiretap our communications without a warrant? Bush Cheney

    Is it legal to go to war without the consent of Congress? Bush Cheney

    Is it legal to give open contracts to Blackwater and covert quasi-military organizations? Bush Cheney

    Is it legal to bail out banks with tax money? Bush Cheney
    The taxpayers are bailing out a big bank while millions of Americans may be losing their homes in the financial meltdown. Where are the conservatives protesting this?

    The health bill is not perfect, but stamping on the Constitution is a Republican passtime.

    Drink the koolaid and eat the green jello.

    Please send Grandma's social security check a couple of days early! Big government saves the day again- I mean what would grandma do?

    Oh yes, she wanted freedom from savings as well.

  • Me
    March 22, 2010 3:10 p.m.

    This whole debate is not just about health care. It's about control. Is our constitution hanging by a thread yet?

  • MormonDems
    March 22, 2010 3:06 p.m.

    Dear Republicans,

    I don't know if you were aware, but there was an election in 2008. YOU LOST.

    Which part of the bill are you going to try to repeal first? The part about children with pre-existing conditions? Or are you going to start by restoring the medicare donut hole?

  • Wayne
    March 22, 2010 3:03 p.m.

    GREAT!! sTOP THE MADBNESS OF THIS BILL.

  • non
    March 22, 2010 3:02 p.m.

    That's nice, can't fund the schools but you can do this? Any windmills out there you'd like to fight?

  • Old Joe
    March 22, 2010 2:59 p.m.

    SORE LOSERS!

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 2:57 p.m.

    Clinton made pregnancy so it couldn't be a pre-existing condition. That means you could sign up for insurance a week before your baby is due and the insurance company has to cover it. That's why you have to pay a $7000 deductible to have a baby. Insurance companies are there to make money, and when government ties their hands they will go about it another way. Now that there are no pre-existing conditions, your premiums are going to go through the roof or there will be another loop-hole. I hate to see what will happen because of this one.

  • Cake Boss
    March 22, 2010 2:55 p.m.

    Yeah, keep cheering, nerds. Good luck. And nice mustache, Shurtleff. I thought you were the Attorney General, not a wild west Sheriff.

  • States rights
    March 22, 2010 2:52 p.m.

    We fought an ugly war over states rights vs federal rights in 1860, it was called the civil war. Yep, the Feds said no more slavery and states said, well we allow them.
    THis is the same thing, Insurance companies have been holding our health care hostage for years, now we can take control back.
    I had a Parent pay into Blue cross/blue shield for 40 years and when she became ill they dropped her. Guess what not anymore. Premiums will go towards paying claims instead of making profits. I say all insurance companies should be Non-profit Orginizations.......
    Yes, I have good health care.
    I beleive to be the best country in the world we should start taking care of our own, not out saving the world.

  • I wonder
    March 22, 2010 2:52 p.m.

    I wonder what Christ would do? Would he approve of Health Care for everyone, even though it raises taxes for some?
    Or, he would file suit against the Federal Government for providing a safe net to all citizens of this country?
    Any of my Christian fellows have an answer? Help me here please

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 2:50 p.m.

    HA HA Yes, I am in fact From Finland, Did not serve A mission there, as I am not LDS. I left Finland in 64 to Go to School at MIT, them moved here to work with the U of U.
    Don't be so quick to think you know about everyone. Good for Beckham, they do have some good doctors. As a whole it is not AS progressive as the US is in research and because there is no incentive as the government controls it. If you knew anything about the Finnish people, there are A LOT that leave, most move to Minnesota or Spain,
    Get your facts right before you start attempting to call people out.

  • What's there to fear?
    March 22, 2010 2:48 p.m.

    Since 9/11, I used to be concerned about terrorism and the threat of other attacks. But now, I've come to realize that America’s greatest threat is our own U.S. Congress. While an overwhelming number of people (democrat and republican alike) were against this healthcare bill, we were basically flipped off. In order to achieve this, they violated the Constitution and the law, bought people off, and without shame, did whatever was necessary to accomplish their evil design. Not long ago, Obama admitted that his ultimate goal is to have a government run single payer system. I have never seen a more evil lot, as there is today in Washington D.C.
    If ignorance is bliss, you liberals must really be happy. I've often wondered which came first — the liberal or the stupidity. Unfortunately, we can’t fix stupid, but we can sure vote it out! Come November, let's pray that's exactly what happens. Margaret Thatcher was quoted as saying, "the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money". I think we're running out!

  • Cats
    March 22, 2010 2:48 p.m.

    I'm so sorry that there are bloggers here that think our freedom and our Constitution have a price tag--that they aren't worth fighting for.

    "Those who would sacrifice freedom for a little security deserve neither"...Benjamin Franklin

    "Those who are willing to give up freedom for equality will get neither. Those who are willing to give up equality for freedom will receive a great measure of both"...Milton Friedman

    Thank you, Mr. Attorney General, for understanding that our freedom and our constitution (not to mention our economic wellbeing) are worth the expense and the effort.

  • Andrea
    March 22, 2010 2:46 p.m.

    Thank you Mr. Shurtleff,
    We need to get rid of this horrible supposed "Bill"
    It is not Constitutional to DEMAND that every person
    in the USA do something that is against there own
    best interests. No one wants the same kind of Insurance - we want to pick our own - not something
    which the Gov't demands we use - or even if we don't
    want to buy Insurance - it's not any of their business
    what we do or don't do as long as it's not against the
    moral law - and Insurance is neither moral or immoral.

  • Crazy
    March 22, 2010 2:46 p.m.

    Cmon people, you stand for the congress UNLESS the vote isn't what you wanted? It won legally. What is this about THE AMERICAN PEOPLE all the time? Isn't it possible that Americans want health care elsewhere? Try to find out more for yourselves beyond Rush and Beck.
    Suing? Crazy

  • An American
    March 22, 2010 2:43 p.m.

    A wise and frugal government which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government. — Thomas Jefferson (1801)

  • Anybody?
    March 22, 2010 2:43 p.m.

    Can anybody give me a single example of government involvement leading to better service or reduced costs? Even if you can look past all the constitutional issues, the federal government being more involved in your healthcare is NOT going to be a good thing. Sadly, this bill passed not because anyone (Democrat or Republican) thought it was a good one, but because Obama desperately needed some kind of "victory" to point at and was willing to give anything (usually behind closed doors) to make it happen. This the kind of change those who voted for him were hoping for?

  • rsp
    March 22, 2010 2:42 p.m.

    I bet if George Bush and a Republican controlled Congress mandated that you purchase health insurance then you lefties would be singing a different tune. Let me guess- "Keep your laws off my body!"

  • An American
    March 22, 2010 2:36 p.m.

    A one-sentence version of Obamacare: Everyone will be required to have health insurance, but it won't be provided for, instead you'll have to buy it (the poor will get some subsidies), and the insurance companies won't be able to exclude folks with pre-existing conditions.

    That took 2000 pages to explain, which still only covers 31 million of the 47 million uninsured (that's the number that always gets thrown out). So of a population of over 307 million, we'll have just 16 million uninsured. -lol

    There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. — Robert Heinlein

    In the end, more than freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all — security, comfort, and freedom. When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again. — Edward Gibbon

  • Government's Role
    March 22, 2010 2:30 p.m.

    The proper role of our government is to protect equal rights, not to provide equal things.

  • Stupid is as stupid does
    March 22, 2010 2:28 p.m.

    02/10
    Dear State Employees,
    Because of the budget crisis, we no longer have enough money in our state to pay for your much needed and much appreciated services.
    Sincerely,
    The Legislature


    03/10
    Dear Federal Government,
    As long as the Democrats are pushing the same plan that our own party was pushing before the election (minus tort reform)we will fight you in court no matter what the cost!
    Sincerely,
    The Legislature

  • Question
    March 22, 2010 2:28 p.m.

    How are unemployed Americans supposed to pay for this insurance?

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 2:27 p.m.

    The new definition of charity:
    Having 15,000 new IRS agents requiring you to pay for someone else's health care."

    This beats the current system were we pay for those without insurance. This way everyone has flesh in the game.

  • Sue Shurtleff!
    March 22, 2010 2:26 p.m.

    Can Utah citizens sue Shurtleff for being an idiot by deliberately squandering taxpayer dollars? Probably not.

    Unfortunately this will just be the first of our A.G.'s fruitless lawsuits against the federal government. None of them will succeed. But the attorneys involved will be greatly enriched at the taxpayers' expense.

    Our only recourse is to wait and not vote for whatever office he seeks next time. Too bad we don't have a recall law in Utah.

  • Thumbs up Grover
    March 22, 2010 2:20 p.m.

    Grover asks; Do we gain anything but expense by joining other States in the suit? Wouldn't we get the gain if the suit is successful?? Of course we would, but this isn't about our state loss or gain, it's about spending our taxpayer dollars for political gain. "Look at us fighting big government, never mind what it costs. "Now don't pay any attention to the guy behind the curtain as we continue to erode your individual freedoms on the state level, and don't even think about reeling us in with those silly voter referendums". What did Mark have to say about those?

  • Shurtleff, you're a fool
    March 22, 2010 2:18 p.m.

    You're wasting Utah's money when we don't have any money to waste. All you're doing is enriching lawyers (and trying to destroy this country). If you give a fig about the country and about this state, you will cease and desist this ill-founded lawsuit. Please -- for the sake of us all -- STOP THE FOOLISHNESS!

  • JOHNJ
    March 22, 2010 2:17 p.m.

    Nobody cried about the WAR Mccain brain and his cronies they have really got this country pulling at unrealisisms. That have split the country. Wakeup Republicans!!!! Whoaaa me poor me I did'nt get my 100 yr war. Keep sitting and sulking.

  • ka
    March 22, 2010 2:17 p.m.

    now the democrats can begin work on the "fat kids bill." I agree with the problem with obesity however the federal government has no business telling my kids or anyone what they can eat " Don't tread on ME" We need a revolution to protect our freedoms from the democratic party within. Our freedoms are disapearing faster then you can say President Obama

  • GWB
    March 22, 2010 2:14 p.m.

    Wasting our tax dollars...

    Once again, Utah throws away money on unnecessary lawsuits. Other Attorney's General have already filed suit, so, why in this time of tight budgets and budget cuts are we wasting money to be on the front lines of this lawsuit?

    Perhaps Mr. Shurtleff could use less money in the AG office while letting other states pay for it, after all, the rulings by the appeals court will apply to all states, not justthose who file suit.

    This is a huge waste of taxpayer money on in a place that is supposedly fiscally responsible.

    This is a discgraceful waste of money.

  • Representation
    March 22, 2010 2:08 p.m.

    To all those saying that the representatives in Washington didn't listen to the voice of the people you are wrong. Utah is strongly opposed, and all of your legislators voted against it. Here in Ohio, some constituents wanted it and others didn't, and their representatives voted accordingly. What you can't seem to understand is that just because everyone around you in Utah agrees, it doesn't mean that Americans do.

  • Sandy
    March 22, 2010 2:08 p.m.

    Speaking of lack of education about the Constitution, what can be more ridiculous than wasting Utah taxpayers' money on a loser lawsuit challenging a lawful exercise of the separation of powers clause?

  • BYU alum
    March 22, 2010 2:04 p.m.

    This is almost the same bill that Mitt Romney passed in Mass. Hard to see what's illegal about it. It does doom his 2012 candidacy though.



    Extending health care to 30 million americans and reducing costs for everyone else? Preventing insurance companies from cutting your coverage after you get sick? Sound like great things to sue over. Gook luck with that.

  • Charity
    March 22, 2010 2:00 p.m.

    The new definition of charity:
    Having 15,000 new IRS agents requiring you to pay for someone else's health care.

    Most of the good in this country is done by individuals and groups of their own FREE WILL.

    No government ever MADE anyone charitable.

    Keeping people dependent is the new definition of charity.

  • That's it!
    March 22, 2010 1:59 p.m.

    I will no longer pay state taxes here if the money is to be wasted on a pointless battle against my own government. Apparently Utahns are very cavalier about how their tax money is spent. What a joke.

  • Tea Party Losers
    March 22, 2010 1:57 p.m.

    The sum total of their information comes from the likes of Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin! Uneducated, illiterate losers!

  • Tired
    March 22, 2010 1:57 p.m.

    Reply to Re; Silly Republicans

    I'm just curious. How did you feel in the 80s when Reagan rebuked the Supreme Court on the issue of school prayer in his 1988 State of the Union address. Oh, he also openly critiqued the Court's ruling on Roe v. Wade in an 1983 article from the Human Life Review. Obama shalt not do what the great conservative pillar did twice.

  • Re: Lori G | 12:23 p.m
    March 22, 2010 1:52 p.m.

    Read the 10th Ammendment. Research why it was so important and why the founders insisted on the States retaining their sovereignty.

    Education started out being strictly a State matter and not a federal mandate. The Feds have their fingers too deep into the education systems of all 50 states as it is, but that is another argument for another day.

    Education is a matter up to the states, and car insurance is up to the States as they according to the Constitution have the sovereignty and right to do so.

    Federal insurance imposed upon states and the citizens of states is a violation of the 10th Ammendment and the very purposes for which it was included in the Bill of Rights.

    The separation of powers that protect states rights from the Federal Goverment is as equally important as the freedom of the press, Congress not writing laws that establish a religion or interfering with the free practice thereof, freedom from illegal search and siezure and the second ammendment as well.

    The US needed lower health care costs through more competition, removing the parasitic tort actions, dealing with the big drug company defacto monopolies.

  • bob monkey
    March 22, 2010 1:51 p.m.

    so if we are all required to buy health insurance and do no have the money for it,we then get fined for not having it and how are we gonna pay that? If the larger companies are forced to shell out extra millions of dollars for coverage or pay a fine, I believe they will choose option C move their company over seas. Then what do we have when all of the companies that can choose to leave do so.

  • I think you have
    March 22, 2010 1:45 p.m.

    to understand that we are going to end up paying for a program that we will never use. I read in the paper (I wish I could remember the article) and heard on the news that %75 of America are going to be paying for %20 of America that do not have health care. Instead pass a bill creating a program that people can afford. Fix it within not by mandating.

  • Republicans
    March 22, 2010 1:43 p.m.

    Republicans have painted themselves into a corner.

    By framing the issue as a choice between socialism/totalitarianism and "freedom/free-market capitalism" etc. there is no room to negotiate. Listening to Glen Beck, no Republican leaders in their right mind would be interested in working with the "Hitler" (ie Democratic) party. So, they locked themselves out of the room.
    People will figure out, this bill is not a govt.
    "takeover" of healthcare--and there are good things from this legislation. LDS families will see they can now keep their missionaries on their policies--and missionaries with pre-existing conditions now won't have those healthcare cost issues.

    The Republican Party has let the fringe take control. They're invested in Obama's failure but have nothing to offer except the policies which nearly destroyed our economy--"trickle-down, de-regulation, survival of the fittest.

  • real smart
    March 22, 2010 1:39 p.m.

    some of you who make comments are REAL SMART! Wow!

    As per Shurtleff, I think I'd rather have him go after the BCS again? That seems to be the new lesser of two evil ideas!

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 1:39 p.m.

    This lawsuit is an unfortunate necessity. For too long the Federal government has been stepping over its constitutional boundaries. It needs to be stopped.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 1:39 p.m.

    As a liberal, why should the ignorant childish behavior of conservatives embarrass me? I don't have the power to end stupidity. In my values being educated and trying to best one of the best is a goal. I wear 'intellectual elitist" as a badge of honor.

  • Old School
    March 22, 2010 1:37 p.m.

    "Shurtleff said the action is necessary to defend the rights of Utahns."
    What rights? The right to become ill and lose insurance? The rights for the poor to die and decrease the surplus population" (with apologies to Dickens and Scrooge) The right to flood our emergency rooms with primary care issues?
    Utah politicians have adopted the notion that everything our duely elected and Constitutionally authorized federal government says is wrong and we will fight "them" every step of the way. Now THAT is true violation of the constitution.

  • Re: Frog's vision | 12:59 p.m.
    March 22, 2010 1:37 p.m.

    I am sure all the readers are impressed with your ad homenin approach. I know I am. However, your attention to the real issue here leaves a great deal to be desired.

    It is the Constitution--read it, understand it,
    make your politicians abide by it.

    I suggest you read the 10th Ammendment and then do the research as to why the authors of the Constitution put it in there and why it was of upmost importance to do so.

  • Art
    March 22, 2010 1:36 p.m.

    Great. The states must assert themnselves to stop this Marxist takeover of the country. Reagan was right in 1964. We do have a date with destiny. I hope Anericans are up to it.

  • Thank You AG
    March 22, 2010 1:36 p.m.

    Thank you for taking up this cause. Your reasoning for doing so is spot on! The costs associated with implementation of the health care bill on Utah and its citizens will far outweigh the cost of joining this lawsuit. I truely hope more states sign on to this suit as well.

    I also hope the AG office does everything they can to fast track this suit to the Supreme Court and to also halt implementation of the bill until it is heard by the Supreme Court.

    Way to go!

  • Entitlements are killing the USA
    March 22, 2010 1:35 p.m.

    It's absolutely shocking to see how many losers there are out there that think health care is a right. Entitlements are a social disease and anyone that believes they "deserve" something just because they were born is mentally ill.

    Oh, and for all you whiners comparing mandated health insurance to mandated auto insurance: insurance coverage on vehicles is mandated because driving is a privilege and it is to protect other drivers from you. If you don't want to buy auto insurance, don't buy a car and don't drive.

    God save us from the "progressives"

  • Re: Michele 1:09
    March 22, 2010 1:35 p.m.

    Interesting that you automatically jump to the conclusion that it is all the "Republican jerks" that "want people to go without health care" and that you can "obviously tell... who has never had to struggle just to pay your medical bills..."
    I'd like to let you know that I am an independent, a father of three (one of them born without any insurance to cover the birth), middle-aged, and I completely oppose this legislation. My wife has medical conditions that we have had to figure out how to cover and been dangerously close to being in collections - yet I have chosen to fight through the best that I can.
    I am now employed and have an employer sponsored health-care plan. While it was a struggle and there were days that I truly didn't know how we'd make it-I figured it out.
    In short, I am not a republican and I have honestly struggled quite a bit in having to pay medical bills-yet I still don't like this law. BTW-to show the struggle - I hope to have my 4 year-old's birth paid off this summer, in full.

  • i keep hearing
    March 22, 2010 1:32 p.m.

    republicans complain about the cost of this new health care legislation. so now, what do they do??? well, apparently, they decide to spend lots of money in court! i understand if people don't like this or that about the new legislation. however, please don't cry over the cost of it, turn around and spend even more money in the courts! what's the word for that? oh yeah, it's hypocrite!!!

  • Thank you!
    March 22, 2010 1:30 p.m.

    We need to fight this government intrusion of our rights. No mandatory health care, No socialized health care.

    Stand up and say no to Obama and his gang of thieves.

  • I read
    March 22, 2010 1:29 p.m.

    that part of the bill requiring people to buy health insurance or face a penalty. What happened to the right to choose. Hey, if insurance coverage and premiums were reasonable, covered people with preexisting conditions and focused more on insurance companies respecting the rights and humanity of the individual, you would not need to force people to buy insurance because it would be affordable and people would naturally want to be insured, and could be under reasonable terms. But, if someone does not what insurance, forcing them to do otherwise appears to violate their basic "human" rights to decide that for themselves. Apparently "Washington" is not interested in hearing reasonable argumens. It's all partisan politicing once again. For the bests interest of the people right?

  • FloridaVoterAgainstHCR
    March 22, 2010 1:28 p.m.

    Make them go back and come up with a better plan than to penalize everyone for not having health insurance, how ridiculous!

  • A Canadian's Opinion
    March 22, 2010 1:27 p.m.

    Your health care system is broken and adjustments need to be made, this whole issue of pre-existing conditions is ridiculous. But to have government mandated health care is expensive, the majority of our provincial budgets are used up by health care and education. After that there is not much left over. If this is the road you guy want to take that is fine but it should at least be the will of the people and decided by the people perhaps by a referendum! Otherwise the USA will end up being just like Canada with no democracy at all.

  • Re: Anonymous | 12:42 p.m
    March 22, 2010 1:26 p.m.

    You aren't from Finland. At most you served a mission there. Finland has some of the highest quality health care in the world. When David Beckham was injured last week he and his own doctors chose to fly him to Finland for treatment because the hospital he used there is the world's leader in orthoscopic surgery. He LIVES in LA but chose treatment in Finland.

    As bad as you claim Finland to be the number of emigrees from Finland is extremely low. Even rich Finns don't leave. The Finnish economy is doing well, including industrial world leaders, and the education system there is among the best in the world (PISA Study on the OECD website).

  • Monsieur le prof
    March 22, 2010 1:26 p.m.

    We are entering a frightening period for our country where representatives of the people are not heeding what their constituencies are telling them.

    Insurance and healthcare reform are necessary, but they can be handled in much simpler ways. This bill is a monstrosity and will solve little, if anything. It will, however, introduce a level of bureaucracy which will surpass Medicare in size and cost.

    It will cost more, in both the short AND the long run, and will actually decrease medical efficiency. It will lead to corruption because it's being forced on us by corrupt means (and several corrupt people), and will bankrupt us within 20 years.

    It's an atomic bomb solution to a mouse problem and will haunt our children and grandchildren for a long time. Obama may go down in history as one of the most damaging presidents of all time.

  • Two Shoes
    March 22, 2010 1:21 p.m.

    Shurtleff certainly has the BCS Bowls running for their lives. This guy is a clown using our tax money for his funny little car.

  • Re: re: re: Constitution?
    March 22, 2010 1:20 p.m.



    "Here are a few simple facts that you either ignorantly or purposely chose to overlook. First, Patriot Acts I and II were passed by both houses of Congress. Only after they were passed by both houses of Congress could President Bush sign them into law. Your comments above prove once again that for all that we pay for public education the US we are not getting our moneys worth"

    Your comments prove how ignorant we have become. People like you pick and choose information you wish to accept.

    I could careless who voted for it.

    The Patriot act is unconstitutional.

    Read it, not what Joe/Jane political affiliate has to say about it.

  • Lynn in TN
    March 22, 2010 1:16 p.m.

    Yes!

  • Happy dependance day
    March 22, 2010 1:16 p.m.

    You democrats and half the Repubs. are so dependant on others that you are NOT paying attention to what is happening. If you had paid attention then you would be outraged by what DC has been doing and is doing. Time to take some action folks and throw the socialists out in the next elections and restore some sanity and commen sense in Washington.

  • brillo
    March 22, 2010 1:15 p.m.

    Driving is supposedly a privilege (and outside the USA, it still is); hence mandating auto insurance makes sense. Life is supposed to be an unalienable right, at least to Americans. But I guess a healthy life has just become a privilege, too.

  • Johny Fairplay
    March 22, 2010 1:13 p.m.

    ^^^ Pedro nice Dr. Strangelove reference.

  • worried
    March 22, 2010 1:10 p.m.

    let them pass, than ask for reforms in the bill, let parents put their kids (who can't get insurance, full time students, pre-existing conditions) back on theirs until they are 26, not 22.
    You can always fix things later, but put the help where it is needed, to the ones who one day will be running this country. My son cannot get insurance, he is 23 yrs with pre-existing conditions and a full time student with a 3.95 grade average

  • Awesome!
    March 22, 2010 1:10 p.m.

    Good, the Gov. has no business telling me I have to buy something, just so they can find another way at my hard earned & not enough money!

  • Succeed from the Union
    March 22, 2010 1:09 p.m.

    You have my vote. Then let all of you USA losers pay for the losers that already go to hospital emergency, and get free health care. And the guilt trip about not practicing Christianity??? What about the Commi/Democrats that want tax payer funded abortions?? Wow!!!!!!!!! Is that Christian? What a joke. If we succeed, you can move to wonderful downtown Detroit. Now that is a Commi/Democrat dream destination. Right in the heart of give all your christian money to those losers.

  • Michele
    March 22, 2010 1:09 p.m.

    What is wrong with people??? Seriously, why do these republican jerks want people to go without health care,you can obviously tell with each comment who has never had to struggle just to pay your medical bills, just to stay alive. You people disgust me and I am embarrassed to say Utah is the state I live in, time to move.

  • British and proud of it
    March 22, 2010 1:08 p.m.

    "I can't believe we will now have death panels telling us whether or not Grandma will live or die".

    errr..Pedro- you won't. There is no such thing as a death panel. So you can relax your disbelief.

  • Just what we need...
    March 22, 2010 1:07 p.m.

    ... to waste more of Utah's money on lawsuits that it can't win. Stuff your messages, and do what's best for the people.

  • JD McKenzie
    March 22, 2010 1:03 p.m.

    Good...

  • Cautiously Optomistic
    March 22, 2010 1:02 p.m.

    Isn't it a shame that as a nation we have moved more an more towards 'state-determination' as opposed to self-determination. There is a groundswell coming of dependence upon the federal government as opposed to making our way in this world and working towards independence.
    Those looking for 'signs of the times' might be led towards seeing this dependence and outcry of the need for Christian Socialism as the very Anti-Christ that is supposed to herald the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Especially when considering the originally meaning of Anti-Christ as a replacement of Christ, rather than in opposition of Christ.
    It is mildly distressing to consider that as a nation we are choosing to put ourselves into the hands of the government, rather than the hands of God and good moral judgment.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 12:59 p.m.

    I am so glad for America. Even the poor can receive proper medical care. It took a lot of courage from Obama to make this change.

  • Frog's vision
    March 22, 2010 12:59 p.m.

    Oh my fellow Utahns, this is the vision and metality of a toad in the bottom of a dry well, who sees and believes that the sky is only a light bulb!

    Healthcare is a human right, part of the rights to freedom and happiness. Because of this historical event, The United States of America has become a better country for her entire citizens generations after generations, which include Utahns.

    Remember only with a healthy life can one pursues freedom and happiness.

    This legislation puts the health concerns away from every American's mind and let every American pursue their dream, even though there is a dollar cost or some personal lose to it.

    What do our state government want - not to pay for the tax and not to receive the benefits of this healthcare reform?

  • Pedro
    March 22, 2010 12:56 p.m.

    I can't believe we will now have death panels telling us whether or not Grandma will live or die.

  • re --UNCONSTITUTIONAL 10:18 am
    March 22, 2010 12:55 p.m.

    ["Where in the constitution is it allowed to force people to buy products "for their own good"? What will be next?"]

    lol... you do realize you already "buy products" when you contribute to medicare and social security from your paycheck, right?

    and if you don't have insurance, I have to pay for your healthcare when you end up in the emergency room with no insurance...

    so what you are really saying is you don't want to buy insurance - you want everyone else to pay for you..

    by the way - doesn't Utah have mandatory car insurance laws? is there really a difference?

  • Pedro
    March 22, 2010 12:54 p.m.

    I find it amazing how our country has allowed the politicians to take away our right to poor health. They have subverted the constitutional process and the American way by passing this socialist legislation. I can no longer sit back and allow communist infiltration, communist indoctrination, communist subversion, and the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

  • Why?
    March 22, 2010 12:52 p.m.

    Because Utahns are not smart. They are too republican and can't see beyond their noses.
    Mike

  • SoJo Resident
    March 22, 2010 12:49 p.m.

    re: JMT | 12:24 p.m.

    "Obama went after the Auto industry, got about half of it. Banking industry. Now health care."

    I'm pretty sure the auto industry as well as the baking industry came groveling on their knees to the US government asking for money. Nobody "took them over" the begged to be bailed out. Remember?

    And heaven forbid that we have national standards for education.(sarcasm) Do you really want to continue to pay taxes for schools that do a bad job of educating YOUR children? I'd rather have the standards, thanks.

  • hater
    March 22, 2010 12:48 p.m.

    Mark Shurtleff couldn't argue his way out of a wet paper bag. He's a know nothing politician positioning himself to run for Senator or Governor. Let him file his silly lawsuit.

  • Jennie Richards
    March 22, 2010 12:48 p.m.

    It is an OUTRAGE those health insurance company conglomerates won't be able to fleece their customers anymore! Utah is defending the health insurance industry's perceived right to deny patient coverage. Quite pathetic.

  • Anonymous | 11:09 a.m.
    March 22, 2010 12:47 p.m.

    So what are we calling socalism. The military? Roads? Schools? oh i know, you meant healthcare.

  • Ray
    March 22, 2010 12:45 p.m.

    In California you don't even need insurance, or registration, a drivers license, or even be a legal citizen to operate a motor vehicle. There is no way the federal government can fine an individual for not buying their government health boondoggle. This law will easily be found illegal.

  • Ryan
    March 22, 2010 12:44 p.m.

    I agree with Utahs actions 100000000%. This lawsuit is in no way saying that Utah is against health care reform. It's instead saying that they are for smart health care reform. And this monstrosity isn't. I'd rather see our state spend the money on lawyers fighting this thing than spend it on internal "spread the wealth" programs any day. This is a huge discission for the american people and reform needs to happen which benifits us not punishes us.

    How do you like being forced to take health care at gun point? Because as of sunday. You belong to a country fully capable of doing just that. You don't solve health care by mandating it. That's the quick fix, brush the real problems to the side solution. Not a real solution. We americans want REAL solutions.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 12:42 p.m.

    uritaata,
    you obviously have no idea what socialism is if you think this isn't it.
    I am originally from Finland (now a US Citizen) Finland is socialist and one of the reasons I left. High High taxes, people getting too much for free. They sit around and don't work but yet get the benefits of those who do thanks to the super high taxes everyone else pays. The quality of medical care is poor, due to the fact that the government is paying it, You think the government will pay for the best medical care? You are wrong! If this goes through, our taxes will increase, premiums will increase, quality of care will decrease, and people who are lazy, or illegal and can't get work will mooch of everyone else tax dollars. This my friend is socialism. The US is....well..was, not Socialist!

  • Re: Car Insurance 12:16
    March 22, 2010 12:41 p.m.

    The full coverage that you are required to have on a vehicle with a lien, is mandated by the lien holder and is for their protection - not yours. they want to be able to replace the asset that is on their books, in the event that the asset is ruined.
    Again - I'm just sayin' that while your statement is true in nearly all cases - it is not for your protection.

  • Reply to re: 10:35AM
    March 22, 2010 12:41 p.m.

    "You mean like not having car insurance?... Exactly."


    Having auto insurance is a whole different ball game from having health insurance. If you are uninsured and were the problem of causing an accident, you are at blame and have put the other people at risk....
    with health care, if you do not have insurance, the only person you are putting at risk is yourself. It is your own dang fault. You are not risking a huge financial mess for another person being by having health insurance.

  • Giants of Intellect...
    March 22, 2010 12:40 p.m.

    Speaking of wasting money, the lack of basic knowledge about the US Constitution on this board is stunning. Wonder where all those education dollars are being spent? It sure as heck isn't on any civics class.

  • Thanks Utah
    March 22, 2010 12:38 p.m.

    Those bashing Utah forget that we are one of the best states in the country as far as financial budgets, Health Insurance (Obama praised Select Health), etc..., so if you don't like Utah go live in liberal Cal where your government is running a huge deficit all of the time. If this new plan is so great, why does congress get much better coverage than the rest of us!!! I WILL NOT ALLOW MY FREEDOMS TO BE STRIPPED. I will not be blinded by marxists who make things look good until they have full control. The government is being ran by a bunch of corrupt politicians and infiltrated at every level. That includes republicans too. By the way, I do have pre-existing conditions, but I still don't want the government to run the health insurance.

    HERE WE COME TAXES, MARXISM, AND MORE CORRUPTION. We are not Russia!!! The American people will not fall for this trickery and arise to stand for what is right. Where is tort reform!!! Many politicians are attorneys, so they will never do it even though it makes perfect sense. FIX WHAT IS WRONG BEFORE YOU TRY TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.

  • Eliot
    March 22, 2010 12:36 p.m.

    The health insurance/auto insurance analogy is ridiculous. As pointed out already, it is the state government, not the federal government, which mandates liability auto insurance as a requirement for operating a vehicle on a state owned road. This requirement is for liability insurance only to cover the losses incurred by another person if you cause injury or property damage. That's a far cry from requiring someone to carry health insurance for the privilege of drawing breath in our fair land. By the way, if you have a loan on your car you are usually required to carry comprehensive/collision coverage but that requirement comes from the financial institution that issued the loan, not the state.

  • Angry Steve
    March 22, 2010 12:35 p.m.

    Any chance of fixing education first? Seriously they pack them in like sardines around here. Good choices.

  • ernesto fiorillo
    March 22, 2010 12:35 p.m.

    Even with the new law, the US are still away from a serious reform of health care, in real civil Coutries in the World health care and the instruction from all level of schools are the most important rights of citizens, and, in comppliance with family income, they pay some contributions, for serious illness drugs,doctors anf hospiyalizations are free. The way to arrive to this point of civilization is still too long for Americans. We must insist!

  • Sandy
    March 22, 2010 12:34 p.m.

    What a tremendous waste of Utahn's time and money. The PARTY OF NO should not control this State's resources. I say get rid of Shurtleff and all involved in this charade.

  • Grover
    March 22, 2010 12:29 p.m.

    Do we gain anything but expense by joining other States in the suit? Wouldn't we get the gain if the suit is successful??

  • JMT
    March 22, 2010 12:24 p.m.

    I hope this works, and think that it will. This will resolve only the individual mandate aspect of this legislation.

    We are still in for a very rough road. All other provisions kick in, including massive tax hikes on businesses and individuals. It creates a paper work mess and in time will force insurance companies out of business.

    The insurance mandates are the prime culprit for high premiums in the first place. And now with the new mandates costs will increase dramatically.

    This bill was designed by pocket communists to take over the entire health care industry. It will take about 10 years to do so.

    Obama went after the Auto industry, got about half of it. Banking industry. Now health care. And now we see massive changes on the education front to include national standards.

    America has lost the war. We are a Marxist nation. It will just take a few years to realize this. And all without a single shot fired.

    We lost!

  • Re: re: Constitution? | 11:30
    March 22, 2010 12:23 p.m.

    "Curious, were you up in arms when our former President, George W. Bush, all but did away with the constitution so he could spy on Americans? Yeah, that's what I thought"

    Here are a few simple facts that you either ignorantly or purposely chose to overlook. First, Patriot Acts I and II were passed by both houses of Congress. Only after they were passed by both houses of Congress could President Bush sign them into law. Your comments above prove once again that for all that we pay for public education the US we are not getting our moneys worth

    Here is something you should do--turn off the television and ignore your liberal talking head of choice and read the congressional record. You will find a few surprises. Here is one that you will find hard to believe, but perhaps you cant handle the truth. Obama voted for Patriot Act II. Pelosi and Reied voted for Patriot Act I.

    For all that the Dems have complained about Patriot acts I & II, what has Obama done to repeal them? What have the dems done to repeal them since gaining control of both houses in 2008.

    ABSOLUTLY NOTHING

  • Lori G
    March 22, 2010 12:23 p.m.

    This is rediculous. Is mandatory car insurance unconstitutional,too? I suppose requiring children to go to school is unconstitutional. Utah would rather support monopolistic practices of insurance companies, and increase hidden taxes that already support the non insured and illegal immigrants that consume healthcare resources. Bob Bennett you are wrong, why don't you tell people that you would really like to dissolve Medicare and add senior citizens to the uninsured rolls like your colleague Rob Bishop has already stated at the Ogden townhall meeting. You spent 780 billion on a war that killed over 4000 brave Americans and left tens of thousands injured and mamed to steal Iraqi oil, but you won't insure 30 million and save lives. Your 8 years of control during the Bush era, cut taxes but didn't cut government spending, increasing huge deficits, allowed inflation and flat incomes, deregulating and allowing health care insurance to cut coverage and increase profits. It's time to protect americans from corporte corruption. Stand up for our constituional rights, protect human life with insurance reform, and stop insurance greed and profitability from killing more American Citizens.

  • CougarKeith
    March 22, 2010 12:22 p.m.

    You don't have to have car insurance, just don't own a car! Obama is not "Defending" the Constitution of the United States, so why isn't he being removed from office? He is not defending it, nor is he upholding the Constitution of the United States! It's time to dump Obama as an enemy of the State! I don't mean Utah, I mean the country! On the very Ideals this country was founded on. Time for him to be arrested and be taken as a traitor!

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 12:20 p.m.

    Utah's lawyer's full employment act in action.

  • My proposal..
    March 22, 2010 12:18 p.m.

    Those that CHOOSE not to get insurance and fight the mandate, when they have an unforeseen accident or disease, than they should be REQUIRED to pay cash up front prior to any intervention (they never pay the bill after).

    Those w/o insurance can crash their motorcycle or develop lymphoma, thereby costing every one else thousands or even millions of dollars.

    More people need to pay into the system to cover the costs..

  • Car Insurance
    March 22, 2010 12:16 p.m.

    SOMEONE Said, "We are only required to have liability auto insurance, to cover hurting someone else. We don't have to cover ourselves! "

    NOT TRUE: When you have a car note, you must take out FULL Coverage...

    I'm just sayin, just sayin.

  • FREEDOM
    March 22, 2010 12:16 p.m.

    The DN is accepting comments which suggest people who like the legislation should LEAVE or that states should secede because of the legislation.

    Good luck with both of those suggestions.

  • Right Move
    March 22, 2010 12:14 p.m.

    It's odd how on this board and others, those criticizing Republicans/Mormons regularly use offensive terms and language in their efforts to get a rise out of folks. The bill that passed yesterday did so narrowly and many polls show that the majority of Americans were not in favor of the bill. Revamp the health care industry? Absolutely! This bill? No thanks, especially the clause about mandatory insurance. As others have stated, auto insurance is required only for those who operate motor vehicles.

    I think this lawsuit is a good move and I'd like to see Utah focus on becoming less dependent on federal funding so that we can continue to choose which programs we want to embrace in this state. In order for that to happen we need to become vastly more prosperous as a state and that means more entrepreneurial activity and taking care of our own.

    Fighting the tide of social democracy that is sweeping the land is going to be a losing battle and I believe we have a better chance of creating an environment that resonates with our values by working together as a state to regain our sovereignty.

  • Social Security is not
    March 22, 2010 12:05 p.m.

    constitutional in the slightest.

    I say we get rid of Social Security first. Then let's get rid of Medicare.

    I want my country back!!!

  • It hurts me
    March 22, 2010 12:02 p.m.

    It hurts me to hear accusations that conservatives are heartless, or greedy, or don't care. A google search shows that conservatives give much more to charity than liberals do on a per person basis. Conservatives simply feel that charity is the responsibility of the individual, not the state, and that state charity is necessarily coercive and less efficient at achieving its purpose.

  • Libby
    March 22, 2010 12:01 p.m.

    WAIT................

    After learning more about this bill, It may actually help me. Businesses with less than 25 employees will get good waivers for health insurance costs.

    There are a lot of people that this bill might help.

    Lets read it and try it before filing a lawsuit that will cost taxpayers money.

  • re: 11:25AM
    March 22, 2010 12:00 p.m.

    I love that you equate a human being having the capability to be HEALTHY, to fire insurance for your home.

    One should clearly be a RIGHT shared and granted to all people. Sick, healthy, rich, poor. Living should be a basic right of humanity.

    Why can't you see that?

  • Freedom
    March 22, 2010 12:00 p.m.

    Who needs freedom?

  • re: Anonymous | 10:25 a.m.
    March 22, 2010 11:59 a.m.

    Hello? are you daft? auto insurance covers the OTHER guy in case you crash into him. If I could bump into you and give you cancer then I could see a forced insurance issue. Did you know that you could be a perfect driver with NO tickets and NO accidents but because you have an ex-wife sue you and you get bad credit that the auto insurance can raise your rates? It's true, so now we will be facing the same thing in our health care. If you have a ding on your credit then the insurance CAN and WILL raise your rates even though you have never been ill.

  • hello!
    March 22, 2010 11:58 a.m.

    no one is forcing anyone to own a car and if you don't own a car and you don't drive (Keith Olbermann) then you don't have to have auto insurance

  • @Mary 10:54
    March 22, 2010 11:50 a.m.

    You don't have health insurance and you don't want it. Ok,fine. But who's going to pay when you get hit by a bus or have a stroke or cancer or heart disease? You are, I suppose. But who's going to pay after you run out of money, which YOU WILL DO because two days of hospital care is $65,000 on the average. WE WILL PAY. Yep, that's right, all your neighbors -- through higher insurance premiums and higher hospital costs. YOU, Mary, are a menace to the rest of us. And you're a freeloader.

  • No not like having car insurance
    March 22, 2010 11:48 a.m.

    Mandate to have car insurance it liability insurance only to protect the other people on the road. They don't require you to protect your car. People that don't know need to shut up! Health insurance for you, is up to you. I would rather pay if I have to go to the doctor not pay insurance. It is up to me and the whatever health service I need. When it is more then I can pay then time for me to go. Call it population control! No problems in this county anyone donate to Haiti today?????

  • L in NSL
    March 22, 2010 11:44 a.m.

    Big difference between Auto and Health Insurance. Driving a vehicle is a priviledge. If you or someone else driving your car accidently runs into something, you are liable for that accident. There are some people that can't afford auto insurance, but they will go ahead and drive anyway. So when they have that accident, they will say they don't have any money. Tough luck for the person they just hit? No, that is why we have laws to have and maintain auto liability insurance. I am sure that Anonymous knew you didn't have to have auto collision insurance if you owned the auto outright without a lien holder? Most people will carry collision, especially if they have an expensive vehicle. but they control that option! With health insurance, people should look at their options, especially when they first get out on their own to see how they want to handle their own health issues. With Obama Care, People will not have those options, less qualified people will become doctors, and we will get to pay more for less. How is that for the Constitution?

  • Another Utah Independent
    March 22, 2010 11:44 a.m.

    It isn't going to do any good so why waist the money that we need for Education. Maybe we can raise a generation that listens instead of telling!

  • Helen Selander
    March 22, 2010 11:42 a.m.

    Health insurance is not a right. It has never been a right, and it will never be a right. The care of your health is your personal responsibility. Be careful, America. The more you become dependent on government, the more this highly inneficient and corrupt organization will control your lives and steal your money (which you could, in most cases, put to better use--like sharing with those in need). If you're not extraordinarily careful, in time, you will be willing to give up your liberty in order to be taken care of. Do yourself a favor and read up on All the Founding Fathers sacrificed to provide this nation with its God given liberties. Perhaps it will give you perspective.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 11:42 a.m.

    The decision to sue is one of the most stupid, unproductive ones in the history of Utah. I am sick and tired of the nut cases ruling in this state. It needs to stop!

  • Good job Bro Chuck
    March 22, 2010 11:39 a.m.

    Brother Chuck Schroeder | 10:06 a.m. March 22, 2010
    hmmmmmmmmmmm Judicial Activist Judge's, the ACLU, passing law's from the Bench, and I thought only liberal's do this LOL. Yea right Utah, we know who you really are now, liberal's. Let's look at this - Utah will join several other states (that's called a class action lawsuit, it'll be tossed because you can't mix the government's), in a lawsuit challenging the health care reform legislation passed by the U. S. House of Representatives and is already signed into law, while it sits 10 days before Official. Utah's Attorney General Mark Shurtleff said (what does he know), the mandate requiring every U.S. citizen to buy health insurance or face a penalty, along with other provisions of the bill, violate the U.S. Constitution and infringe on individual and state rights. We know you can't take something Civil, as this is, and without finding out first, the ability for one to pay, then turn it into a criminal contemps, without due process of law, to enforce the Civil contempt, but they do it daily in child support back payments yet.

  • Henry Drummond
    March 22, 2010 11:38 a.m.

    Come on Mark. You know better than this. Why are we wasting money on constitutional challenges that have no chance just to make a political statement? We don't have the money to do this.

  • Read it before you support it!
    March 22, 2010 11:36 a.m.

    Health insurance could have been provided for the poor in a simpler, much cheaper way - this bill goes WAY beyond that. Supporters should read it (or at least a decent description of it) before commenting. Your comments are based on what you THINK/HOPE it is. In reality, it's a mess.

  • Cosmo
    March 22, 2010 11:34 a.m.

    The Free States, MUST SECEDE! This so-called free nation is a walking corpse, that should be buried.
    The entire federal government is completely corrupt, and cannot be salvaged.

  • Re: Car Insurance
    March 22, 2010 11:34 a.m.

    You need to understand that mandatory car insurance is a product of the state government. The federal government has no such authority. The federal gov't was created by the original thirteen states and those states came together and decided what they would allow a federal government to do. Those limitations on the power of the federal government are what we call the Constitution. That document is a set of limits.

    States are a second government, seperate and apart from the federal government. They have retained the authority to require insurance. This is why there States can require the purchase of auto insurance. It is why MA can require the purchase of health insurance.

    The federal government on the other hand exceeds the limits set forth in the Constitution when it attempts to require all of her citizens to buy something.

  • Cautiously Optomistic
    March 22, 2010 11:33 a.m.

    In addition, the 'Christian' argument is wearing me out. Quite simply put, if we want to follow the model of Christ, then we would go forth and do good on a one to one basis. It is not up to the state/federal government to bring the poor into dependence on that all-encompassing power, but rather it is up to us to make positive changes in the lives of the poor and down-trodden.
    I wish that the liberal and/or socialist parts of our country would stop trying to fix everything with government. Individuals are the only ones that really ought to be changing lives and are the only ones that can effect a positive or negative permanent change.

  • Cautiously Optomistic
    March 22, 2010 11:32 a.m.

    While I try to understand the arguments that people make about being Christian and that this is legislation is the right move to make for the country, I need to respectfully disagree.
    I need to start by dismantling the argument of mandating health insurance like we mandate auto insurance. The simple fact is that people are given the option to drive or to use public transit (for which they need to also pay) If I made the choice to not drive, I am not required to carry auto insurance. this legislation flies in the face of that.
    The federal government has declared that everyone must have health insurance or potentially risk jail time. The choice has been removed. Instead the U.S. taxpayer is now burdened with that costly bill for those that do not have insurance.

  • Republican Moto
    March 22, 2010 11:31 a.m.

    Tax us, but only for wars.

    Leave us to govern ourselves, unless it comes to gun rights, gay marriage, or abortion.

    The rich get righer, and that's really all that matters.

  • re: Constitution?
    March 22, 2010 11:30 a.m.

    Curious, were you up in arms when our former President, George W. Bush, all but did away with the constitution so he could spy on Americans?

    Yeah, that's what I thought.

  • re: Big Egos
    March 22, 2010 11:29 a.m.

    Question. How many "cheaters" on government assistance programs does it take to equal 1 "cheating" rich American who avoids taxes by any and all means possible?

    Just look at how many of Obama's nominees for cabinet positions at the start had tax issues. The damage done by the rich cheating the system is far greater than someone cheating and receiving food stamps.

    Just not what Republicans believe in.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 11:27 a.m.

    I only hope it works. Some say what a waste of money? Give me a break! Either way it's a waste of money. People make a choice every day on what they do with their life (have children, drink, smoke, take risks, etc) if you want it, then pay for it!! Don't make others pay for your choices!!

  • @ Anonymous (one of ya)
    March 22, 2010 11:25 a.m.

    You said:


    Anonymous | 10:03 a.m. March 22, 2010
    Good. I want my pre-existing condition to stay that way!!!

    I suppose that you would sell fire insurance to a guy who's house was burning?

    Insurance is a gamble. You are betting you will get sick, your insurance company is betting you will not. Rates are set according to risk.

    Paying the medical bills for somebody who is already sick is called Christian Charity, not insurance.

  • re; Car insurance is a choice
    March 22, 2010 11:25 a.m.

    No, car insurance is not a choice, it is the law from the good ole State of Utah! If you have a car, you must be insured. Driving a car is the choice. And obviously, if you never opperate a vehicle, you will never need car insurance.

    On the other hand, unless you are truly blessed and will never suffer an illness, or accident, you WILL NEED MEDICAL CARE at some point in your life. That is not a choice, it's a fact. So why should you not be required to have health insurace to pay for that care? Because guess who pays if you don't have insurance, I DO. AND ANYONE WHO HAS INSURANCE DOES!!! Our premiums keep increasing to cover costs that hospitals and insurance companies are not going to lose serving the uninsursed.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 11:25 a.m.

    Great move !
    The fed has become way too powerful.
    We must respond with resolve !

  • HJ80
    March 22, 2010 11:21 a.m.

    I think you're being less than honest Mary or you're 16 years old. Sooner or later we would all pay for your lack of insurance.

  • re: Mary
    March 22, 2010 11:21 a.m.

    Because, unless you are the character from "Unbreakable," there will be the day when you need medical assistance. And when you as an uninsursed go into the ER, that will be your only choice since no practioner will accept you without insurance, guess who pays for that. I DO. AND ANYONE WHO HAS INSURANCE DOES!!. Our premiums keep increasing so we can cover the losses hospitals and insurance companies are looking to avoid from uninsured patients.

    Do you drive a car? If so, you are REQUIRED BY LAW BY THE STATE OF UTAH TO HAVE CAR INSURANCE. Otherwise you face a fine. And do you understand why that is? Because the day you are involved in a car accident, the other driver doesn't get left out in the dust because you are not covered.

    Just common sense folks.

  • Malcolm
    March 22, 2010 11:20 a.m.

    If this is what it takes, then so be it. Evil must be defeated.

  • Scott McLean
    March 22, 2010 11:19 a.m.

    Its worth fighting.


    I am perplexed that after fighting for independence from an overreaching government, so many today instead are fighting for dependence. They are led to believe that compassion is no longer the sole province of one's moral agency but that it can instead be outsourced to a government through the use of force.

  • bill, from delaware
    March 22, 2010 11:18 a.m.

    i hope about forty states file. then when the courts rule either way ,the 40 states leave the union. and leave all you progressive, liberal social worker freeloaders to live with obama ,soros,stern and bill ayers. then you liberals can steal money from each other, instead of us. thats the change i could believe in.

  • re: 10:35AM
    March 22, 2010 11:17 a.m.

    You mean like not having car insurance?

    Exactly.

  • Constitution?
    March 22, 2010 11:10 a.m.

    We have seen from day one that Obama and Pelosi have no respect for our Constitution. They are stomping on it, treating it like a laughing stock. They are so egotistical, and they care more about their names in history that about being humble leaders. Are there any humble leaders anymore?

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 11:09 a.m.

    "Interesting how big words like communism and socialism are used! These people have no clue as to what they are talking about."
    Socialism refers to the various theories of economic organization which advocate either public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources....
    what part of this do you now think sounds like socialism???

  • Big Egos...
    March 22, 2010 11:07 a.m.

    We are only required to have liability auto insurance, to cover hurting someone else. We don't have to cover ourselves! This is totally different. The government is getting too big, and a big government facilitates failure. You'd better believe that a great percentage of people on government assistance CHEAT the system to stay on it! We're going the wrong way! We need to move further away from big government. Come on, people! You really can't learn how to take care of yourselves? You need Uncle Sam to treat you like an infant your whole lives? Those politicians think they know better than we do! Why else do you think they passed this ridiculous bill? They didn't look to the opinion of the American people (whom they supposedly represent). They think they are smarter than we are, passing a bill THEY think is for our own good! I'm sick of the egos of Pelosi and Obama.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 11:05 a.m.

    Hey while you are at it, can you then go back and retro-sue the mandated Social Security Tax - where were you guys then, huh? Maybe you can get all of our money back from that, and then we MIGHT be able to afford health care....

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 11:02 a.m.

    It surprises me that so many people in our state think we have so great health insurance wise. How many of us like to pocket out over $7000 in deductibles when we have a baby? Or see our premiums go up by almost $100 every year? We might have it better than other states, but by no means the system is perfect in Utah. I wish more people would welcome the chance of bettering what we have and helping those who have no coverage along the way.

  • Re; Silly Republicans | 10:19
    March 22, 2010 11:02 a.m.

    ....it what it is. Local right-wingers using tax dollars to campaign to their base"

    The whole constutition thing is just a bunch of suggestions to people like you. Obama and the neocommunists hold the constitution in contempt, and he and his circle of neocommunitst are the puppets of the New World Order that is being forced upon us. Obama takes his script directly from the Fabian Society, the private consortium known as the Federal Reserve, the CFR, the TLC and the Bilderburgs.

    Here is a little hint for you. The Constitution contains within it structures to keep one branch of the goverment from acting outside their authority and abusing their power. The Supreme Court who Obama insulted like a sophomorish punk (and brought shame to the office of the president in the process) has the ultimate say in this matter.


    It is called the Constitution--Read it

  • Car insurance a choice
    March 22, 2010 11:01 a.m.

    Car insurance is a choice since you don't need to own a car.

    The problem with health insurance not being a choice is to be alive we don't have a choice is we have a body or not. So that would mean we will not have a choice to have health insurance or not.

    Big differance between the two. Nice try though.

    By the way I'm all for everyone being taken care off, just not the government making it a law. It should be people helping people.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 10:59 a.m.

    World Book Encyclopedia pg 898; 1989 ed.explains: "Why Communism? Communism is the only effective movement fighting for change and reform." Congress and Oboma fighting for and unconstitutionally passing reformed healthcare not only takes away our individual agency for personal healthcare but takes us at rocket speed toward becoming The United Communist States of America. Look at Greece! That's us in 18 months! If you haven't lived in World War II Germany and the Soviet Union under Stalin you haven't a clue what you're in for as you watch Congress and Oboma unobtrusively shove Communism through your front door with their change and reform. Good Luck America.

  • Mary
    March 22, 2010 10:54 a.m.

    If I don't want insurance than why should i be forced to pay it? That is insane! I don't have it and i don't want it. LEAVE US ALONE!

  • AniS
    March 22, 2010 10:54 a.m.

    It's a huge waste of funds. We are required by law to own car insurance if we drive a car. We all know that everyone must use health care in their lifetime. Why should I have to pay for someone to go to the emergency room because they have not been able to pay the health insurance company deductables.

    Think about it. What are the current choices? Someone who can't afford the high premiums doesn't even have the opportunity to buy health insurance so we pay for their health care with either medicade or emercency room care. Other's buy cheap plans and they can't afford the freakin deductables so they go to the emergency room anyway or wait too late and or go bankrupt which causes us all to pay more. The only ones who get rich are the health insurance companies.

    Give everyone a chance and help to buy a decent plan, and it helps us all out. The lack of understanding on this matter is ridiculous. The mandate is something like a tax. We all need health care, we already pay for it. We should get our money's worth.

  • wallofvoodoo
    March 22, 2010 10:49 a.m.

    Instead of using the money to help people in Utah actually get health care. Conservatives without all the pesky compassion.

  • And the geniuses shall lead
    March 22, 2010 10:47 a.m.

    Good ol' Utah, forging ahead with a truly moral cause!!!

    You know...Utah....with their moral government...

    Oh, nevermind.

  • Exmowehomo
    March 22, 2010 10:46 a.m.

    Yep. The US is beginning to embrace communism and will fall into a burning ash heap just like Britain, France, Canada and Australia to name a few.

  • Constitutionality
    March 22, 2010 10:45 a.m.

    Whether you like or dislike the health care bill- the bill itself does infringe upon the 10th amendment rights of the states. States govern their own commerce. Read the amendment yourself. States are sovereign and should be.

  • New Yorker
    March 22, 2010 10:43 a.m.

    It is about time. yomama and the rest of his marxists need to be stopped through the courts. That is the only change I can believe in.

  • uritaata
    March 22, 2010 10:36 a.m.

    Interesting how big words like communism and socialism are used! These people have no clue as to what they are talking about.

    I'm glad that we finally got the right to health care regardless of pre-existing conditions. To be free from the abuse and yoke of the health insurances.






  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 10:35 a.m.

    This is a great idea. Why not spend our states money to lose a court case just so you can turn to the most moronic of your constituents and claim your are a conservative.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 10:35 a.m.

    if you don't WANT ins...you'll be FINED. where's the freedom now? :(

  • The Law Suit Is...
    March 22, 2010 10:34 a.m.

    The law suit is needed. It is not about health care. It is about Socialism and dictatorship VS. freedom. I am pleased that Utah will join in the law suit.

  • GIVE IT A REST UTAH OK?
    March 22, 2010 10:33 a.m.

    Let's see, Judicial Activist Judge's, the ACLU, passing law's from the Bench, and I thought only liberal's do this. Utah will join several other states (that's called a class action lawsuit, it'll be tossed because you can't mix the government's, it's used this way to build more federal court house's in the area fileing), in a lawsuit challenging the health care reform legislation passed by the U. S. House of Representatives and is already signed into law, while it sits 10 days before Official. Utah's Attorney General Mark Shurtleff said (what does he know), the mandate requiring every U.S. citizen to buy health insurance or face a penalty, along with other provisions of the bill, violate the U.S. Constitution and infringe on individual and state rights. We know you can't take something Civil, as this is, and without finding out first, the ability for one to pay, then turn it into a criminal contempt, without due process of law, to enforce the Civil contempt, but they do it daily in child support back payment's, liberals got away with it for 35 years. Right?.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 10:32 a.m.

    I guess the State of Utah loves paying for everyone's medical bankruptcies. Also, people need to start looking at the benefits that this bill gives the people. What if you have a pre-existing condition and get laid off, under the current system you have to wait 6 months at least to get coverage again. If you have Cancer, Diabetes, MS, etc, that will bankrupt you in that time or at least put you in a serious financial condition that will takes years to get out of. Stop supporting the insurance companies and start looking out for the people. That is what this bill does.

  • Susan
    March 22, 2010 10:31 a.m.

    What happened to my comment - It was on topic and relavent. We need to join together and oppose all the repos who are against our right to have afforable health care. Vote them out and put in someone who is willing to fight for the rights of the people not supporting their own agenda. Come on Utah vote out once and for all the Senators and congressmen who really do not care about the people of Utah. It is time we get a spine.

  • jennifer
    March 22, 2010 10:31 a.m.

    This is another reason why I'm glad I left Utah. Why would the people of Utah not embrace health care legislation that improves on what is available now? Republicans just make no sense. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 10:30 a.m.

    Nice, another lawsuit on principle to waste Utah taxes on.

    Legislators should use their own money for these frivolous lawsuits that will fail out of the gate.

    I wonder where they are going to take this money from?

    For the idiotic eminent domain case for federal parks, they plan on taking 3 million from the school trust fund.

  • Lindy
    March 22, 2010 10:29 a.m.

    Although I understand and agree that something must be done about Washington's lack of representation of the will of the people, what will suing the government accomplish?

    I hope that it helps politicians realize that they are there to serve us, but today I'm having a hard time believing that they listen to our voices at all.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 10:25 a.m.

    Everyone needs to buy auto insurance or face a penalty. What's the difference? Does forcing you to have auto insurance violate the U.S. Constitution and infringe on individual and state rights? This lawsuit is an expensive embarrassment to Utah.

  • Mike in Texas
    March 22, 2010 10:25 a.m.

    Political garbage. Insurance mandates have been in place for many years. The automobile insurance mandates are the classic example. This lawsuit will cost the taxpayers of Utah and will gain nothing.

  • CJ
    March 22, 2010 10:24 a.m.

    It's sad that with the majority of americans not in favor of this bill that the people who were sent to DC to Represent us did not. I do belive that this law is unconstitutional however getting the courts to strike it down will be very difficult but worth the effort. I can only hope that this law is not the straw that breaks the back of our great nation.

  • AZrods
    March 22, 2010 10:23 a.m.

    If you're thinking of bashing Utah for such a bold move, I suggest moving to a so called "more progressive" state.
    Enjoy the future with more gov't control, more taxes.

  • Teri Z.
    March 22, 2010 10:22 a.m.

    I agree with Utah and the other States...this is against the US Constitution! Mandating coverage and having a PENALTY is absurb...they (the Dem's) should have listened to the American people and not passed this horrible bill! This was rammed down the throats of the American people. We need to work on other troubled areas in our govt. This is similar to the "threats" we received about the H1N1 vaccine--if we didn't get it we were all going to die from the flu.

  • Susan
    March 22, 2010 10:22 a.m.

    I am embarrassed to say I live in Utah. Come on people get rid of the Repos who are hindering your right to health care. You had better believe I will definately be voting to out these obstrustionist!

  • Anon
    March 22, 2010 10:19 a.m.

    This could turn into another civil war. It's too bad that I'm too old to be considered for citizenship in Canada because I'd go. But, unlike the U.S. that opens its doors to everyone one way or another, Canada has rules for entering and staying, and one of those rules is that a person has to be between 18 and 54 years old, or they have to have a personal wealth factor of $800,000.00. Why doesn't the U.S. have a plan like this for incoming immigrants?

  • Silly Republicans
    March 22, 2010 10:19 a.m.

    call it what it is. Local right-wingers using tax dollars to campaign to their base.
    "WoooHoo look at us fighting the man!"
    It's over, Americans won yesterday. I've never been prouder of my country.

  • UNCONSTITUTIONAL
    March 22, 2010 10:18 a.m.

    Where in the constitution is it allowed to force people to buy products "for their own good"? What will be next? We are opening the door for any lobbyist who can spread enough money around to persuade legislators that we need the product that lobbyist represents. This is a terribly dangerous precedent. How about this Obama, you lower taxes and let us decide how to spend our money, reform tort laws and open up insurance to interstate competition? Oh, my mistake, those special interests don't pay you enough.

  • Socialism
    March 22, 2010 10:18 a.m.

    Margaret Thatcher: "The only problem with Socialism is that sooner or later you run out of someone elses money."

  • Hater of Poor Uninsured Losers
    March 22, 2010 10:16 a.m.

    Perfect move! With any luck we can keep the law from going into effect and hopefully a lot of those poor low-lifes who don't have any insurance will die from lack of access to health care! We can only hope. That's the good Christian thing to hope for. After all, I've got mine, so who cares about the losers who don't have it.

  • No thank you
    March 22, 2010 10:13 a.m.

    Great, lets waste more money in legal action - can I ask that my taxes not go to THAT.

    Ya, it's not perfect, but I'd rather my money go to health care than WAR or the banks or the car industry. For a christian state I'm disgusted at the lack of Christianity I find locally on this issue. I wonder how we'll all react when the Lord institutes a stricter observance of the Law of Consecration... Easier for a camel than a rich man if I remember right.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 10:10 a.m.

    Utah would rather waste money on lawyers, instead of helping citizens of the state get insured. How pathetic.

  • Love2Teach
    March 22, 2010 10:07 a.m.

    Thank you...Keep your grubby hands off my health care! THANK YOU!!!!!

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder
    March 22, 2010 10:06 a.m.

    hmmmmmmmmmmm Judicial Activist Judge's, the ACLU, passing law's from the Bench, and I thought only liberal's do this LOL. Yea right Utah, we know who you really are now, liberal's. Let's look at this - Utah will join several other states (that's called a class action lawsuit, it'll be tossed because you can't mix the government's), in a lawsuit challenging the health care reform legislation passed by the U. S. House of Representatives and is already signed into law, while it sits 10 days before Official. Utah's Attorney General Mark Shurtleff said (what does he know), the mandate requiring every U.S. citizen to buy health insurance or face a penalty, along with other provisions of the bill, violate the U.S. Constitution and infringe on individual and state rights. We know you can't take something Civil, as this is, and without finding out first, the ability for one to pay, then turn it into a criminal contemps, without due process of law, to enforce the Civil contempt, but they do it daily in child support back payment's, and got away with it for 35 years. Right?.

  • Crossing Fingers
    March 22, 2010 10:05 a.m.

    The only silver lining we have left. Sunday was a tough day for me. It just amazes me how easily our personal freedoms are taken away.

  • DA
    March 22, 2010 10:05 a.m.

    Way to go Utah.... This is the right move. At lest there are some people willing to go to bat for the Americans who didn't want this plan.

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 10:03 a.m.

    Good. I want my pre-existing condition to stay that way!!!

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 10:02 a.m.

    I hope it works, otherwise we will be the United Socialist States of America

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 10:01 a.m.

    I agree with the lawsuit. Our country is looking more like Communism country all the time. Time to fight for our RIGHTS!

  • anonymous
    March 22, 2010 9:56 a.m.

    Once again Utah at the fore with stupidity.

  • rsp
    March 22, 2010 9:50 a.m.

    woo-hoo! Nice legislation Democrats. #7 states are considering suing the Federal Government challenging it- what an embarrassment

  • Anonymous
    March 22, 2010 9:40 a.m.

    THANK YOU!

  • KC
    March 22, 2010 9:34 a.m.

    This is the right move.