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Published: Tuesday, March 23 2010 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Good Luck

I fully support the AG's in their lawsuit. Congress has WAY over reached here. Thanks for standing up for what is right.

States can opt out

As far as I've heard the states have the option to opt out and states also have the right to implement thier own public option non-profit insurance competition.

Go ahead sue. Don't be surprized when democrats start doing the same thing next time the don't like the results of democracy.

Only only been 15 months.... keep stewing in your own fear and anger.

...by the people, for the people

Our government is BY THE PEOPLE, for the people.

It follows that those who pay taxes ARE the government.

Wear that onerous $1 a pack tax increase on your cigarettes as a badge of honor, cigarette smokers.

Soon YOU and YOUR IDEAS and decisions will govern the state of Utah, like you cannot imagine.

Become registered to vote, if you have not already.

Times Change we adapt

Health Care Reform is as unconstitutional as our State Run Educational system.

WHAT BILL?

Reform that has passed is a mass of data and unorganized ideas.

In other words, it has not taken shape.

All that got passed is 'a structure' - building blocks by which our children's health care will be administered.

Republicans and Democrats ALIKE want health care reform! Both say it is necessary.

The biggest battles in health care reform lie before us. YOU and I through our ELECTED representative will define what it contains.

We will build health care reform.

Become informed. Vote your conscience.

McDonald's Advertising

That health-food called McDonald's is being advertised on this comment thread. -lol-

Health care reform. Any Questions?

Anonymous

THAT'S MORE THAN TWO AND A HALF TIMES AGAINST IT THAN FOR IT AND THE SURVEY NOW HAS 789,651 VOTES!


And that is still less than the 30 million Americans who would not be able to get health insurance, again, if this bill was repealed.

And look, I didn't have to use any caps locks or exclamation points.

Anonymous

"CNN is reporting that in 1993 Sen. Hatch supported a measure almost identical to MittCare and ObamaCare."


Yeah, about those republicans who are out to 'defend your freedoms'...

they dont.

They just want your money people.

Funny

Funny how when the liberals don't get their way, they sue. But when someone else tries it ...

@Anonymous

What survey?

And if you suppose you don't use capitals and exclamation points, you are deluded. ;^)

@Answer This

Answer This, Liberals (waiting) | 11:41 p.m. March 24, 2010
This bill is flat-out, absolutely un-Constitutional.

NOWHERE in the Constitution does it say that the Federal Government has the authority to make people buy a particular product.

NOWHERE!
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Do you also not support FEDERALLY REQUIRED EDUCATION?

Sorry, but only if you are TOTALLY tax exempt can you say at any level of realism that the Federal Government does not (possibly can not) MAKE you buy a "particular product".

AND if you and your personal constitution are soooo INDEPENDANT of the USA Federal Government, I hope you are well armed. For the level of independence you wish talk of, would require you alone to protect yourself from criminals, HITLERS and, contemporarily, Al-Qaeda (and I won't even mention the Holocaust denying state of Iraq).


Have a good night and God bless the US.

Easy does it...

Mr. Shurtleff is sufficiently knowledgeable to know that this "charade" of suing the Federal Government has less chance of success than the Confederate States had of succeeding from the Union.

This "sue stance" is a temporary balm for those in Utah who are up in arms over health care reform, for those who have been feared into believing that health care reform is completely vile and has not an iota of good or possibility of good in it.The goal of Government here (Mr. Shurtleff) is to prevent the possibility of civil unrest... even if a temporary victory is needed to be given to Mr. Shirtleff's lawsuit by the Federal Government, it will be granted for that reason.

But it will be temporary.
As yet, it is merely a jumble of ideas, data and numbers. As one Republican's sign said in one of President Obama's speeches, "WHAT BILL?"

So very true. It is unorganized. It is not defined yet. You and I through our elected representatives will do that work.

John Hamilton

It is doubtful that the abominable legislation passed on Sunday will be overturned in the courts. However, like The Founders, we must take all reasonable steps to maintain our natural rights within the current government before we conclude that it is time for those of us who love The Constitution to sever ties with those who don't.

For: Moderate Liberal @ 9:44AM

"I'm a moderate Liberal | 9:44 a.m. March 25, 2010
with an answer. Just like your car example (yeah, I guess a very few people don't have cars) there will be people that would be exempt from having to buy insurance. They would be people that couldn't afford it, people that have special situations such as disability. They would possibly qualify for some other program and not realize it and in that case a qualified person would be able to help them. I have, in the past, helped people that would possibly qualify for something (this is not all that uncommon)...you should check out all the details before you make your accusations.
But in the case of the average person (that own cars, have homes) they need health insurance too and this is common sense."
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OK, lots of words but do you realize that you didn't answer my question?

My question is, if the government can FORCE you to buy health insurance then what will stop them from FORCING you to buy another product???

The bottom line is, where is it written in the Constitution the government can make you buy a product?

Still No Answer

"Anonymous | 12:18 p.m. March 26, 2010
To: Answer this, Liberals.
Obviously you have not worked in a public hospital administration office. If you had, you would realize that YOU are the one being forced to pay for OTHERS free health coverage."
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Again, you do realize that you didn't answer my question, don't you?

(And, yes, I most certainly recognize that I will pay for free-loaders. I have no problem helping out my fellow man who is trying but not succeeding if I choose to do so but what I do have a problem with is being forced to help someone who doesn't even want to help themselves. And there's plenty of this kind of deadbeat Americans out there....)

Math: Correct. Truth: Unseen

"Anonymous | 6:56 p.m. March 26, 2010
THAT'S MORE THAN TWO AND A HALF TIMES AGAINST IT THAN FOR IT AND THE SURVEY NOW HAS 789,651 VOTES!


And that is still less than the 30 million Americans who would not be able to get health insurance, again, if this bill was repealed.

And look, I didn't have to use any caps locks or exclamation points."
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Ah, yes, let's avoid the issue again.

Yes, my blind liberal friend, 789,651 is certainly less than 30 million but you're missing the point. (Why am I not surprised?)

My point in the above post was that the vast majority of Americans do NOT want this health care bill.

Can you fathom that truth?

For: 7:51 Poster

@Answer This | 7:51 p.m. March 26, 2010
Answer This, Liberals (waiting) | 11:41 p.m. March 24, 2010
This bill is flat-out, absolutely un-Constitutional.

NOWHERE in the Constitution does it say that the Federal Government has the authority to make people buy a particular product.

NOWHERE!
*********************

Do you also not support FEDERALLY REQUIRED EDUCATION?

Sorry, but only if you are TOTALLY tax exempt can you say at any level of realism that the Federal Government does not (possibly can not) MAKE you buy a "particular product".

AND if you and your personal constitution are soooo INDEPENDANT of the USA Federal Government, I hope you are well armed. For the level of independence you wish talk of, would require you alone to protect yourself from criminals, HITLERS and, contemporarily, Al-Qaeda (and I won't even mention the Holocaust denying state of Iraq).


Have a good night and God bless the US.

______

Yes, the Fed Gov't should get OUT of education.

Education is a blessing since 'knowledge is power'.

Great! Pursue it to your heart's desire!

But don't fund it federally. Leave it to the states.
Your move....

Re: John Hamilton

I wonder how long it will take for this severing to occur?

What a mess that will be!

However, like cancer, better to lose a limb than for the entire organism to succumb to decay and death.

It was originally the GOP's

Idea! Check it out...they originally inserted this into the failed legislation of the 90's and it's in Mitt Romney's Massachussets state run option. Now it's terrible? Give us a break...this is very hypocritical and you guys don't even know it!

Earth to Demos

I know you are all proud of Pelosi and Obama for putting something on their resumein oneyears time but the problem that most people have (including a large part of your own, as well as well as all of the moderates that switched sides to vote Demo on the last election)is that this is GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE. Obama said thie was the greatest legislation since Social Security and Medicare......DUH!!!!! How can he be proud od two systems that ARE IN THE TANK???!?!?!?! The government has already proved they cannot run something like this. On top of that, can you say 'Deficit'? You complain about Bush's addition to the deficit but its OK for Obama to increase the deficit by even more?

Fact of the matter is that if 30 million more Americans have insurance now, your $940B is paying for it. If they didnt have insurance before they got the care anyway and we paid for it too, but not $940B worth.


Those pro-Obama moderates that voted in Obama will be back on the other side of the fence in midterms and next Prez election and you know it. 4 years of
Obama.......God bless us.

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