Now that was a sight to be seen, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., is
surrounded by reporters after a closed door House Democratic Caucus meeting as
the House prepares to vote on health care reform, she was also surrounded by
Congress walking to the steps to as the Tea Party yelled out (giggles) well you
know, nasty thing's. And if I told them to you, DN would say they are found to
be abusive, offensive, off-topic, misrepresentative, so I won't. While the
hyperboiler's shout that they must throw out the Democrats and replace them with
the right kind of Republicans conservatives who actually are conservative, they
ignore the people, that's what costed the White House in 2008 and Congress also.
And where did it get them?, the transformative health care bill is headed to
President Barack Obama for his signature as Congress takes the final steps in
Democrats' improbable and history-making push for near-universal medical
coverage. We know Utah to sue over healthcare bill - but ani't that
called Jusicial Activist Judges, and passing law's from The Bench?. Just like
the ACLU does to?. Is Utah then all liberal?.
Right! The GOP will be bragging how they made the billbetter.
It may not be perfect, but it's a step in the right direction. Medical help should be a human right and I believe that Christ would want this
- Give of your riches to aid the poor - when did He ever turn someone away
because they had a pre-existing condition or couldn't afford His services? This
is more Christ like than capitalism and I fully support it (even if I'm despised
in this state for it). I'd rather my taxes go for someones health
and well being than for prolong the war, or carrying out death row executions,
or paying politicians egregious wages.
Bribery, corruption, behind closed doors drafting, strong-arming,
pervaracating--- is a step in the right direction? Bad process,
unconstitutional process -- is a step in the right direction? Spending
trillions we don't have -- when Medicare and Medicaid are ALREADY BROKE is right
direction? Covering illegal immigrants, paying for abortions (executive order
is a ruse and doesn't prohibit them) is step in the right direction? No, of the
1500 pages, about 30 are bi-partisan. Pre-existing conditions, is about it.
This is odious. It stinks. this is no way to run a Congress or a nation. To
twist the rules, bribery, etc. is just wrong. Throw the Dems out!!!!
Do you honestly believe that government is more efficient than the private
sector? You are truly ignorant to believe that. Everybody complains about
government red-tape. How is this different? This bill only creates more a burden
for the youth for worse quality health care. I am a Christian as
well, and I want everybody to be insured also. We should providing incentives
for people to get health care (ie improve the economy by limiting government
influence). Government is always the worst option. The framers of our
constitution understood this. This is what makes America unique compared to
socialized nations. This is why American is the "city upon the hill." Do we
really want to be like those countries? Canadians complain about their health
care, and many come to the US for health care.
The Lord is shining down on our country with the passage and signing. Praise
This is a great day for America.It ought to be commemorated, as the
Day of Deliverance by solemn Acts of Devotion. It ought to be solemnized with
Pomp and Parade, with Shews, Games, Sports, guns, Bells, Bonfires and
Illuminations from one End of this Continent to the other from this Time forward
think the GOP will just take over in November and change the law just
remember:OBAMA WILL VETO
IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Just like Bush did when the Democrats had control
of the house and senate before. See how things work when you
have the house, sentate and the Presidency!USA USA USA USA
You'll be saying in 10 years: "don't take way my benefits", just like you do now
for Social Security and Medicaire.
Populism is the appeal to government, a single voice of the people, to
counterbalance the influence of big business who are able over time to tilt the
rules in their favor. This bill doesn't replace private health care or create a
government health care system (nice try I believe in free enterprise), it
doesn't cover illegal aliens, pay for abortions or spend trillions (940 billion,
nice try right direction).How can the "moral majority" and their
religious convictions turn their back on those who are less fortunate? How can
they so easily look away when those without health insurance live shorter lives?
What kind of nation are we when we hoard our own little fortune and turn a blind
eye to the plight of others in defense of large insurance giants? I
am just one person, but my vote will go against those who voted as the party of
@right direction, but not perfectI have searched and searched but have
been able to find nothing in the scriptures that states that the government
should TAKE money form the hard-working people and GIVE it to those unable or
UNWILLING to work after taking it's cut. Please explain to me how
government forced "charity" is the same as my own VOLUNTARY charity. And while
you're at it, since you like to bring Christ into this, I'd like to know where
the scriptures are that justify all this government-sponsored charity over
Sept 11thCec 7thMarch 21stall days that will live in
infamy...all days when a group of self righteous fanatics brought great harm on
the heads of innocent Americans, all for the glory of their cause. Sadly,
Obama's minions will die suffering from third world health care while singing
his praises, rather than admit their greivous error.
The President should be careful where he travels. He should stick to friendly
communities. I think he is underestimating the feelings he and his cronies
You libs are so funny. You think you have my mindset defined so well. I would
gladly give up SS, just give me back my 15% and let me make my own plans for
retirement. I would gladly give up Medicare, just let me take care of myself.
And I will gladly give up ANY govt program you are so willing to give thanks
for. It is obvious to me and any right-thinking American, who is the provider
and who is the receiver in this country. You would do well to change your
license plate to read "TX4ALL" You seem to forget just who or what 'government'
is. It's me and you, not Washington. Well, I guess it's me. And no, you're NOT
As a CONSERVATIVE, let me stress some of the "GOOD". There are a couple of good
things in this bill, a couple, that's about it. Not being able to be dropped for
getting "Sick" such as cancer, that's good! Keeping health care if you lose
you're job, that's good, however you can already do that if you pay the premium,
what's the problem there? So there are a couple good things in it. The COST, NEW
TAXES, EXTRA TAXES, GROWING THE DEFICIT, FORCING YOU TO BUY HEALTH CARE, This is
BAD!!! Republicans and Conservatives all agree, we need health care reform, but
this is THE WRONG WAY TO DO IT!!!!!!!!! Costs will GO UP! This will COST JOBS,
not create jobs, use you're head! I collect social security disability, yet I
believe Social Security needs to be PHASED OUT! I think it was the Democrat John
F. Kennedy who said, "Ask not, what your country can do for you, but ask what
you can do for your country!" What ever happened to that great "Democratic
Party" Idea? Now it's What will the government give me for free! There is no
I find it interesting that Obama says "We proved that this government – a
government of the people and by the people – still works for the people."
and now that he has what he want's he now needs to go "sell it to the reluctant
american people" in short obama wants to tell us what we want sounds a little
bit to much like communism to me.
I am very proud of the “Party of NO” and all the levelheaded
Democrats who voted no on this national disgrace. Kudos and THANK YOU! A lot
of lipstick was put on this pig and you saw through it. Electoral death to all
who supported this.
The Supreme Court has every right to rule on the constitutionality of Obamacare
legislation just like any other law passed by Congress. The funadmental issue
here is States Rights, and your comments above illustrate not only your
ignorance, but also your refusal to consider the constitutionality of Obamacare.
The States have every right to bring this matter to Court
So I read the most I can about this bill. If they are allowing us to have our
non dependents until 26, everybody has to have insurance or they will pay fines,
and no gap for the coverage, my only question is ..... (drums)Does
this bill set limits for the premiums? Right now I am paying about $500 per
month to have a decent health insurance. With these new regulations, it looks to
me that the insurance companies will revise their premium fees and then charge
us to cover these extra "features" created by the government. If that so, please
Obama, don't help me out! And I honestly don't believe the so called tax
credits. Either way, that's less money in my paycheck and at the end of the
fiscal year, I never see it coming back!
Our government is not a democracy or even a republic - it is a dictatorship.
Since when can politicians ignore 2/3rds of Americans and do
whatever they want. We ask for fiscal restraint and we get spending. We ask
for no more bailouts and we get new unfunded, compulsory welfare programs. Now
my taxes are going to increase 10% and for what? To pay to insure a bunch of
people who don't want insurance?Interesting point - whites pay
nearly all the taxes and blacks/hispanics get all the benefits. This is like
reverse slavery. Looks like Obama is taking his reparations without ever
calling it reparations.I'm glad Utah has to guts to stand and fight
the bloated Federal Government. I hope more than just 10 states challenge the
legality of forcing Americans to purchase something they don't want. This whole
system infuriating.DOWN WITH OBAMA and DOWN WITH THE DEMOCRATS!!
Obama's comments about the Government for the people and by the people are
solemn mockery both of the words themeselves as well as to the Great President
Lincoln who wrote them. Secret behind doors deals-not by, for or of
the peopleOutright purchasing of votes-not by, for, or of the
peopleInfringing on State's Rights-not by, for or of the people. What took place was by the party, for the party and of the party anad
that party platform is being based upon neo-communism. The will of
the people was ignored and the representative goverment that our founding
fathers spilled their blood to establish was set aside for the adenda of the
rich elites who own Obama and dictate his every move.
you: "I have searched and searched but have been able to find nothing in the
scriptures that states that the government should TAKE money form the
hard-working people and GIVE it to those unable or UNWILLING to work after
taking it's cut"WE are the govt. Many of us believe, with the
abundance we have in America, that we should create a society where people can
live with a certain basic dignity--ie healthcare if you get sick. Right, the
sick can visit the ER. But that isn't a cost effective way to provide
healthcare. And, it isn't JUST the poor anymore who are going without healthcare
insurance, it is becoming a bigger problem for the middle class as well. Are Republicans ready to close the door to the uninsured--let them die on the
streets? We've had many, many years of experience with free-market
healthcare and it isn't working. Time for govt. to provide some regulation to
protect Americans. Just as the USDA protects us (imperfectly) from tainted meat
and chesse. Nobody called those agencies "socialism" did they?
"....he now needs to go "sell it to the reluctant American people" "American is
a proper noun in English. English may be your second language.In
America we go forth and sell ideas in a free market of ideas. Obama sold his
I find it amazing how our country has allowed the politicians to take away our
right to poor health. They have subverted the constitutional process and the
American way by passing this socialist legislation. I can no longer sit back and
allow communist infiltration, communist indoctrination, communist subversion,
and the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our
precious bodily fluids.
I keep seeing Bennett ads on this site. Please attend your caucus
meetings Tuesday night and make sure he does not have the Republican Party's
support. Bennett is part of the problem. He fails to exercise any
oversight while on the banking committee and then votes to empty the public
treasury to bailout. VOTE HIM OUT!!
I don't understand all you moaners and complainers....Why do you
speak up about "government health care spending" and not the billions of dollars
the government actually wastes. We have spent trillions on Iraq...but we can't
spend some on our own people! That doesn't makes any sense.This will
actually help children, older people and thousands of people who live on minimum
wage or have conditions that insurance companies refused to cover.You talk about hard working people and what is in it for them....the sad thing
is, it is that very sentiment will be the down fall of this great empire, just
like all the other mighty empires that have fallen due to corruption and greed,
and the notion what is in it for me!!!This bill is trying to correct
the corruption and greed in the current Health care system. If the drug and
insurance companies were not so greedy and corrupt we wouldn't be needing this
legislation.While it is not perfect, it is a start in the right
direction. If you can't find in the scriptures where it says we need
to be Christlike, God help you!
Our constitution was written in secret behind closed doors. Isn't it inspired?
Let's return to state's right when governors like guvnor Boggs could sign
Will some journalist, somewhere, please do some real journalism, and actually
discuss, the meaning of the healthcare bill? What is it trying to do, what is it
going to prevent, or create? How is going to affect individuals, and individuals
rights? I have yet to see anyone talk about these types of issues. Only
complaining and whining about Obama, or Bush, or Beck or whatever. Not once have
I read about the implications to the American People. Why do we not hell and
scream about the actual COSTS of care, rather then what type of care? Why does a
band aid cost 20 dollars at the hospital, and 20 cents at the store? Why can't
we decrease litigation? HEALTH CARE, health care, health care is all we hear,
with not one person trying to help explain what that actually is.
WE are no longer the government. WE are being treated as subjects to the
all--knowing, all-powerful obama (not capitalized due to lack of respect) and
his liberal-socialist cronies in washington.You talk about the scope of
the problem and I agree it's a problem. However, since when has the government
been able to manage anything effectively? Amtrak..................BankruptMedicare, Medicaide.....BankruptPostal service .........Bankrupt With that kind of track record I
certainly don't want them in charge of anything concerning my health care!This answer from congress is like a band-aid on a severed limb and a mop to
clean up the blood. It doesn't fix the problem, but gives the appearance of
doing something. In the end, the patient still bleeds to death.And while
you are going back to answer my original question which you so deftly ignored,
you know, the one about providing the scriptural references, maybe you can
explain how fining someone for not having health insurance is the right thing to
Re: CougarKeith | 12:18 p.m. March 22, 2010 As a CONSERVATIVE, let me
stress some of the "GOOD". There are a couple of good things in this bill, a
couple, that's about it. Not being able to be dropped for getting "Sick" such as
cancer, that's good! Keeping health care if you lose you're job, that's good,
however you can already do that if you pay the premium, what's the problem
there? So there are a couple good things in it. Republicans and Conservatives
all agree, we need health care reform, but this is THE WRONG WAY TO DO
IT!!!!!!!!! First off if it's the wrong way to do it
then why was it not done (the right way) in the past 18 years?.Out
of 400 million American's in the US, how many out there have insufficient
capital at their finget tips that can't afford to buy healthcare, and, it's also
ok then for the rich to pay extra to cover these people to in my conservative
No matter how they dress it up as feigning concern for the poor and uninsured,
this is really all about a big power grab by Washington liberals. They want to
control everything; education, transportation, food, climate, the press, even
our thoughts if they could. This will take health care down to lowest common
denominator, and take your and my freedoms away!! How do we ever get it back?
Our country is already broke! We're 12 TRILLION in debt right now.
This is trillions more!! Tax increases in this bill break Obama's promise to
not tax the "middle class" but there are at least 22 middle class tax and fee
increases in this bill.The fall of the empire is becuase of the
Entitlement Mentality pushed by some of the commenters on this forum. You don't have the "right" to health care any more than you have a "right" to
food or clothing. Everyone must provide for themselves. Government's role is
to ensure opportunity; not equality of results! There is NO free lunch. And
it's worst of all to compel others to subsidize irresponsibility.
When Medicare was passed in the early 60's, people said the same things they
are saying now. It was the end of the world, Socialism, the end of our nation,
our freedoms, no more apple pie, no 4th of July, only Borscht and calling each
other Kammerad! Now many decades have passed since these acts have been
implemented. Can you imagine not having Medicare, or Social Security!! There
used to be horror stories about the elderly eating dog food to survive back
then. Those with disabilities had no chance, there just wasn't a safety net for
anyone, other than the rich. So now we are on the verge of implementing a
national Health Insurance for the entire nation. We hear the same nonsense from
the same type of people. Spaeking as a small business owner, I am grateful for
affordable health care...everyone just needs to calm down a bit...
@ Anonymous:Being Christlike has nothing to do with government programs.
You would know this if you really studied your scriptures. Being Christlike
involves VOLUNTARY giving and helping of the poor and needy, not government
theft to support the masses who REFUSE to work because they already know that
government handouts will sustain tehm at a higher level than those of us trying
to scrape by and survive without them.
I have an idea for the first participant in the extermination plan...you can be
Starting with Obama and Biden along with all of there relevatn advisors and on
to every member of the Senate and the House of representatives, how many have
actually read this bill before voting to aprove it? From Obam and
Biden and every sentator to the freshmen members of the house, they all should
have to pass a detailed competency exam on all of the details of this bill
before they sould be allowed to vote on it. Now lets see if Obama
gets caught in another lie. When does the five days of public review begin
before you Obama sign this affront to the 10th Ammendment
It's a great day in America.Extending health care to 30
million americans and reducing costs for everyone else? Preventing insurance
companies from cutting your coverage after you get sick? Preventing them from
denying you coverage for your pre-existing condition? etc etc. yes yes and
yes.thank goodness obama is willing to fight insurance companies and
stand with us.
ENTITLEMENT continues! Why work when the government/Uncle Sam can take care of
you? Oh, yeah, I have to work so I can pay taxes to pay for the entitlement.
Keep providing for everyone and your "subjects" will remain on the dole and
never be elevated to something better or bigger.When is the CBO
coming up with the real cost of this? How can it reduce the deficit when
everything have been counted twice! Nice math, President Obama!Why
wasn't the Congress forced to be on the same plan as us commoners? So dealing
and wheeling did the job, not the Obama effect, huh!
Where in the scriputures does it say we should evaluate who is "willing" or
"unable" before we help them? And where does it say govt. should not institute
programs to help people? And, in fact, it is the poor who donate the MOST to
charity as a percentage of income, according to Bureau of Labor statistics. Do
you not think their are "cheaters" who use the LDS welfare system? Yet, is the
Church abolishing the welfare system? NO. I would refer you to Mosiah 4:22,
Alma 5:55 It is also taught your substance is not YOURS it is GOD'S. And God
taught "charity" is the pure love of Christ. John 15:12 "love one another as I
have loved you." Love is a verb--requiring action. The military
could also be another example of failed govt. Are you also in support of
abolishing the military? "Being fired for not having
healthcare"? What are you talking about?
"Can you imagine not having Medicare, or Social Security"To ignore
how the social security trust fund has been used and abused by corrupt
polticians eversince it was instituted is akin to a person with perfect vision
looking wide eyed into the noonday sun and saying it is pitch black dark as
night outside. To ignore the at least 50 billion by congresses own
figures of fraud and waste in MEDICIAD Today, is just as ironic. The
Federal goverment has never been held accountable to the people for the way it
has mismanaged and outright stole from the social security fund ever since it
was created.Given your comment, you have no problem with enslaving
the current generation, the upcoming generation, and yet unborn generations with
debt from the moment they are born to support socialist programs. You need to study how the communists and other totalitarian regeims predicted
the downfall of our great republic. We would be come more like them increment
"thank goodness obama is willing to fight insurance companies and stand with
us"You can not seriously believe this tripe. Who owns the big
insurance companies? What about the big pharmacutical companies? The
fiegned harsh words about insurance companies were nothing more than drama in a
scripted play, and you bought front row tickets. There is not one
CEO of the big insurance companies who would not mind getting some tough words
thrown at them while knowing that they are going to be making money and paying
off politicians as usual.Follow the money. Follow the money.
Follow the money. You want your insurance and health care needs
managed and dictated to you by the same entity that runs/manages AMTRACK, USPS,
MEDICIAD, FANNY MAY and FREDDIE MAC? When have these entities not been running
in the red and when have they not been breadkig grounds for fraud,greed and
Ever hear of the united order? Where you get only what you NEED and the rest
goes to others. If you are not ready to hep others less fortunate than yourself
then you certainly aren't ready for the Savior to come back again.You call yourself a thinker, think about that.
"Render unto god that which is God's. Render unto Caesar that which is
Caesars..."Government charity has nothing to do with the pure love of
Christ. It has top do with votes and power. It's very sad that you have fallen
into the libspeak pit on this one.And yes , I do love my fellow man.
However, when this goes into effect and the taxes start ripping into my living
expenses, caring for my family is going to trump the thousands I VOLUNTARILY
donate every year toward charity. I suppose, in your mind, the passage of this
bill should assauge any guilt I may have for not donating. Unfortunately, it is
not the case because I do take that very seriously. Fortunately, my donated time
should not be affected by this....at least not right away.
This mess is NOT the united order nor is it any close facsimile. The united
order is totally VOLUNTARY. If one were to choose not to participate, that would
be the end of it. This is nothing more than government mandated slavery, with
FINES for non-participation! It appears to me that you don't adequately
understand either of them. Equating this piece of crap legislation with the
united order is like comparing peaches and crab apples.
" If one were to choose not to participate, that would be the end of it."And the end of them living around those who practiced the UO. They
lived in a community (commune) and would oust anyone who did not live it.Read man, read!
@ Anonymous 3:42Ousted, eh? Non-participants would be allowed to live in
the community but without the benefits of participation. They would be left to
provide totally for themselves, however being "ousted" is not the way is is
organized. It is not a "closed commune" as your statement implies. Do your
homework! Your erroneous statement still does not validate the comparison.
You have the choice to view this program any way you want. Nobody is taking over
your free agency. You can even choose to not pay taxes, yet there are
consequences for that choice. Choices are not without consequences. Why do you think the United Order failed?People weren't
willing/able to live it. Why not?
The tax payer is subsidizing the insane wind energy and everybody thinks it's
great. Why not health care?
You are correct. This is not the United Order or anything even close to it.
What this is:Limited regulation of the private insurance
industry.Allows individuals who don't have health insurance from their
employer to group together so they can get better rates and better plans. (these
are the people who are currently experiencing 25%-75% increases in their rates).
Do you have employer based insurance? Yes? Then you will likely see
When in the world is this so-called President going to stay in D.C. and do what
he was elected to do rather than run around the country campaigning! No wonder
so many people have had their fill of him! Stay home, Mr. Obama and deal with
far more serious issues such as unemployment! Oh well, Nancy Pelosi will take
care of it. She's the pre-existing condition in the White House...she's the one
who is really in charge!!!!!
FAMILIES LOVE THIS BILLThank you Democrats and Obama for the Action
and passing the finish line! MANY Republican'ts kill success by
starting over and using the publics money to do it. A race is not finished by
restarting over all the time! Success comes by finishing the race. As a result people can stay on their Family plans no matter what age they are!
We'll see about that. Things like this rarely stay in the form they were passed.
Only time will tell.
The ONLY thing BI-partisan about this bill was the opposition.so
what does that tell you?
But what in the world does this bill? I really, really don't care about the
politics. I care about how the bill will affect my life and the life of my
family. I have yet to find anything but vague summaries.
This is not a day to be celebrated, whether you wanted this bill, or not. The government just said to us, through this one bill, that it doesn't matter
what the majority of the people want for our country. They have decided for us.
Do you think all those who voted "yes” will be on government health care?
Do you think the government has a right to tell us what we will have to buy and
use? This is an outrage! For every American! Whether you wanted health
care or not! The Government overthrew the people! So please, quit condoning this
act of treachery, even if you want this bill. The government that was once
for the people and by the people has just been sacrificed by those who are
supposed to uphold the Constitution. You may have wanted this bill to pass, but
what about the next one that makes another decision for us or the next one that
is passed without the American people's approval. This is a new kind of
battlefield and EVERY American should step forward to defend one of our most
sacred, God given, liberties: choice and accountability.
Speak for yourself. The bill's "unpopularity" was a result of not
satisfying what either side wanted. Democrats wanted more and Republicans
wanted less. Congress, as a result, ended up with a moderate bill. Democrats
are relieved at least this passed. The govt. did not "overthrow" the people.
They worked out a compromise that a majority could vote for. That is all. We didn't want the Bush tax cuts--yet they were "shoved down our
throats." We didn't want the Iraq War--yet Bush invaded. We didn't want
Medicare part D without the ability to negotiate drug prices, yet it was "shoved
down our throats." This is not new, this, apparently is how our govt. works
now. We have become too polarized. How can our leaders compromise and
negotiate when one side is demonizing the other side and lying about what the
legislation contains? This isn't "govt." healthcare. This is private
healthcare with some govt. regulation. Republicans had NO plan to
insure those who are currently uninsured. NONE. The idea that Republicans
don't want to pay for the lazy welfare cheaters is ludicrous BECAUSE WE ARE
ALREADY PAYING FOR THEM.
This bill is not approved by a large amjority of the people in the United
States. It is approved by a majority of practically none of the 50 states, and
yet our so-called representatives have thought it for our best good to ram
Obamacare down our throuts by bribery, extortion, unethical arm twisting and
about every kind of manipulation possible. This type of action will not be
rewarded come November. Yes, I know Obama will veto any bill that attempts to
overthrow his plan. Good thing the plan doesn't go into effect right away. By
the time this pan become operational in the US Obama will be history along with
nearly all of his crony supporters in the U.S. Congress. This is the most
outrageous legislative process ever in the history of this great nation. I'm
confident it will be eventually changed to a program more compatible with the
will of the people. There are all kinds of dictatorships and none of them last.
Thank God for that.
Really disappointing to see the DN regurgitating AP propaganda.bring
Convince me, President Obama, that you weren't lying when you said that you
wanted bi-partisanship. Convince me despite the fact that you are going to sign
a bill which was unanimously disapproved of by Republicans (and, more
importantly, most of the American People).Convince me, President
Obama, that you really wanted transparency and accountability, as you said
during your campaign, despite the fact that you are about to sign a bill that
was formed in back-rooms, was almost impossible for the public to access, was
not discussed openly on c-span as you promised, and which HAD to be voted upon
before congress could have a break and find out what America really thought of
the bill. Convince me of the fact that this bill, which won't take effect for
years, really needed to be voted on before I could tell MY representatives what
I thought of it. Convince me that you didn't lie when you said things would be
better if I voted for you.Convince me, Mr. President, that
Representative Joe Wilson's outburst claiming "you lie!" was more disrespectful
of your office than the fact that he was telling the truth.