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Dick Harmon: BYU's NCAA victory well-deserved

Cougars end 17-year NCAA tourney drought

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  • rick
    March 21, 2010 7:49 p.m.

    not a good outcome if you are a florida gator fan as i am. k state is more physical than either byu or florida so the fun won't last long.

  • TruBluBYU
    March 19, 2010 8:32 p.m.

    BYU is a great team but they do get flustered and lose their composure. If they play as well as they are capable of playing and not get too stressed out, they can go a long ways. If they play well they will beat Kansas State. I honestly believe they are more talented than Kansas State. BYU has not done as well when they are under pressure and they have sometimes folded. As for Utah, I hope they have a better team next year. I would even like to see them go to the NCAA tourney. I cheer for Utah except in the MWC games. Go Cougars!!

  • McNasty
    March 19, 2010 2:42 p.m.

    Re: Kansas State @ 1:29 pm

    Thanks for sharing the mind set of the Kansas City Star. Not surprising and totally expected. I do agree that BYU needs their big guys to play their best game of the season. BYU can play with anyone, but the key will be the play of our big guys tomorrow. The Kansas City Star doesn't think BYU's big guys can step up to the plate when called on. I think they can. That's why the game is played ans we will see. One thing: Florida's big guys brought their "A" game yesterday and played very well and very hard. I hope our bug guys learned from that.

    As for the rest of the Kansas City Star comments, well, sounds a lot like comments made in Oklahoma in late August last year. I'm just saying.......

  • re: Kansas State
    March 19, 2010 2:21 p.m.

    There's a very good chance he's right and K State will win. So why even bother having a tournament? Why not just let these writer genuises determine on paper who beat who and declare a champion?

    Vanderbilt appeared to be a much better team than Murray State - on paper. K State also appears to be much better than BYU. And maybe they really are. Then again, maybe BYU will be able to beat them somehow. Like the saying goes, "That's why they PLAY the games."

  • no smack zone
    March 19, 2010 2:11 p.m.

    Just win Cougars!

    There is no greater smack than a simple gesture to SCOREBOARD!

  • so so
    March 19, 2010 2:02 p.m.

    1944 NIT > NCAA
    1947 NIT = NCAA
    1951 NIT = NCAA
    1966 NCAA > NIT

    1947 and 1951 national championships, debatable
    1944 and 1966 national championships, definitely not

  • It Could Be Worse
    March 19, 2010 1:45 p.m.

    The Ute fans have pointed out how lucky BYU is to have won. They are right. I can only think of 5 things that would be worse than what happened last night.
    1. Losing the game instead of winning and playing another day.
    2. Not having my favorite team in the tournament like the Ute fans this years
    3. Losing as a #5 seed like the inferiors up north did last year.
    4. Not having my team in the NIT like the inferiors up north this year.
    5. Not even having my team in the CBI like the inferiors up north this year.

    But, the Utes did make the final four a million years ago with Van Horn and Miller leading the way. How many times did Van Horn and Miller make the
    "ball go in the hoop" this year? Exactly.

  • Kansas State
    March 19, 2010 1:29 p.m.

    Here is a quote from Sam Mellinger of the Kansas City Star.
    "Before we get too far here, it’s important to point out that Kansas State should advance to its first Sweet 16 since 1988 – no matter how many points Fredette scores.

    Fredette is the interesting part of this game, but the Wildcats will win because they are significantly stronger and more athletic inside. BYU has some size but starts three guards and doesn’t have the athletic ability to match up with K-State’s forwards, particularly Curtis Kelly and Samuels.

    One of BYU’s biggest weaknesses is rebounding, a K-State strength that should mean the Wildcats win."


  • So
    March 19, 2010 1:29 p.m.

    Before the NCAA tournament was anything, the NIT was the big show, and BYU has more national championships that the Utes.

  • "...clueless Ute fan?"
    March 19, 2010 1:21 p.m.

    That is a tautomerism.

    Nice win Cougars, but it was almost too entertaining.

  • Looking for articles about the U
    March 19, 2010 1:15 p.m.

    I tried to go and post a comment on a Ute article...but I couldn't find one? Is there a way to post on articles in the archives from 1998?

  • Re: Consider the source
    March 19, 2010 12:05 p.m.

    That was by far the best comment I have seen on this website to date (coming from a Ute fan).

    Good luck with K-state. I don't think BYU matches up well with them but we'll just have to see.

  • Anonymous
    March 19, 2010 11:23 a.m.

    Jimmer is no Danny Ainge, the greatest cougar ever.

  • Consider the source
    March 19, 2010 11:03 a.m.

    When bloggers like "one-and-done" (aka "won-and-done")
    post their inane comments, BYU fans would do well to consider the source,

    a snotty-nosed 12-year-old BYU hater with an outdated three-year-old laptop that was passed down to him by his older brother,

    and

    not even give him the satisfaction of a response.

  • Troy4mt
    March 19, 2010 10:46 a.m.

    Congrats to the Cougars. It was a hard-fought win. I was cheering for all the MWC teams and I only wish SDSU and UNLV had been able to win their games. Still, I was encouraged to see 4 MWC teams compete in these games. If Utah or any other MWC team was in, I would have cheered for them too. I agree with the Gator Fan about the Ute sniping that goes on. These are all young men trying to do their best--I give them my respect. I can cheer for BYU without denigrating the other great programs in our conference.

  • Basketballogy
    March 19, 2010 10:27 a.m.

    Well written article; I enjoyed it.

    @Blueboy: great point! Let's hope they bring their A game against Kansas St.

    Another concern I'd add to that list is Jimmer Fredette's playing style. While it is very good for Jimmer Fredette, it's not so good for his teammates, especially the bigs.

    Jimmer seriously overdribbles.

    Yes, it lets him probe defenses and break things down...

    But it also turns his teammates into spectators.

    Most players need to be involved in a real way to be real contributors. Until they are involved, they're going to struggle to bring A game each time.

    Jimmer will need more than Jimmer Fredette to beat Kansas State. He'll need a TEAM, and a team that brings its A game.

  • alma whiting
    March 19, 2010 9:31 a.m.

    Thanks for a great year of entertainment . Congrats. and keep going. 83 year old. A fan for 73 years....

  • Return the Sugar Bowl Trophy
    March 19, 2010 9:30 a.m.

    Since Utah fans no longer consider close wins as legitimate wins, Utah's "lucky" 2008 wins over Oregon State and TCU have now been officially recorded as losses.

    Your 2008 Sugar Bowl Trophy has been forfeited and will be sent to the legitimate winner -- Alabama.

  • Toni
    March 19, 2010 9:29 a.m.

    Go Cougars!! Beat Kansas State. Wish we had.

    OSU Fan

  • Anonymous
    March 19, 2010 9:15 a.m.

    wow. BYU still has a basketball team? I thought they had finally dropped athletics because they were never on TV anymore. Oh well, maybe next year.

  • Thanks Ute Fan
    March 19, 2010 9:10 a.m.

    from a happy Cougar Fan

  • Someone who knows ...
    March 19, 2010 9:09 a.m.

    BYU could win in all, but won't. Why? The bigs are playing horrible. Florida had some average guys in the middle and they looked like superstars. The Y bigs cant handle the ball well and are too weak to score. Unless JF has 40+ points they are going down. Honesty. Please.

  • re: Jealous U | 7:43 a.m.
    March 19, 2010 9:09 a.m.

    shoulda, coulda, woulda is what U live for

    There's nothing more pathetic than fans of a supposed "top program" talking smack about their rival's "almost losses" in the Big Dance.

  • UTE FAN
    March 19, 2010 8:32 a.m.

    Congrats to BYU and all of its fans. Any tourney win is a great win. Enjoy the moment. Don't listen to mindless ute fans; the good majority of us Utah fans will happily congratulate you. We both know that there are 5-10% idiots on both sides that spew vitrol. From Ute Nation -- Congrats.

  • Candleman
    March 19, 2010 7:47 a.m.

    A Billion Chinese don't even care.

  • ?
    March 19, 2010 7:43 a.m.

    Congratulations. You squeaked out a win in double OT from a 6th place SEC team that lost 12 times this year.
    Honestly, BYU should have lost in regulation. Did you see that FL final shot? It was half way down the basket and came out.

    VERY VERY LUCKY

  • Warren Pugh
    March 19, 2010 7:40 a.m.

    The BYU/UTE tradition should exude the same sportsmanship as displayed on the floor or field. After all this is what we train our kids, and I have never personally known a good athlete who has taken pride in setting an ugly example for young- sters who might be watching them anywhere in the US.

    This was a great win for Utah as well as for BYU. Here in the northwest we also witnessed a great win as Washington slipped past Marquette.
    WASP

  • Dennis
    March 19, 2010 7:36 a.m.

    To Neighbors @1:12. Thanks for the good comments. I agree with you 100%. I just wish that everyone would read and heed. It is too bad what the internet has done to some people. It sure makes them brave and who knows what else it does to them without them even knowing what is happening.

    Congrats to the entire BYU team and coaches. Go out there on Saturday and have some fun doing that thing you do so well. Your only young once, so just enjoy it and give it your all.

  • Boilin'
    March 19, 2010 7:32 a.m.

    The funniest thing of all for you Y Haters is that you'll still have Boilin' and his cast of JC transfers next year!

    Bwaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaa

    "Two and through - where was the U?"

  • BYU alum
    March 19, 2010 7:28 a.m.

    "Rise and shout." How exciting it was to see this team be tough in the end and win. It was thrilling to hear of their celebration in the locker room. It was well derserved, and we cheer with them! Thank you, Dave Rose and team, for a delivering a great year of basketball. Coach Rose also came from behind in his tremendous health issues and came out a winner as an inspiration to his great team and to us all.

  • GATOR FAN
    March 19, 2010 6:40 a.m.

    As a diehard Gator fan living in Virginia, I’d like to congratulate the Cougars on a hard fought victory. I also thought the Desert News did a good job of describing the game. However, I must say I’m surprised to read all the ugly fan posts. Usually the posts give you a better perspective of the game but all I can see is gloating in the face of your rival Utah. Just seems rather strange that after finally getting a victory in the NCAA tournament all your thoughts and concerns are only directed toward a team that isn’t even playing in the tournament. I suppose it’s different at Florida where we have many rivals and the focus isn’t about obsessing about our naysayers but rising above them.

    Good luck in the tournament

  • Lucky for BYU
    March 19, 2010 6:27 a.m.

    That Florida is a really bad team. I really think that Utah or Wyoming would beat the Gators 7 of 10 times.

  • Watch out Wildcats
    March 19, 2010 6:20 a.m.

    Now that the monkey's off the back, this Cougar team is free to play like they can. The Cougars have already outplayed San Diego State, UNLV, and even New Mexico.

  • What's up?
    March 19, 2010 5:34 a.m.

    LUCKYLUCKY!!! FL should have won this twice.

  • K-state
    March 19, 2010 2:54 a.m.

    Do you like your eggs easy over or over easy???

  • Ute Fan
    March 19, 2010 2:33 a.m.

    I'm happy for BYU. I hope they beat Kansas State and have a chance to showcase at home in the ESA.

  • Congrats Cougars!
    March 19, 2010 2:27 a.m.

    Utes fan here to congratulate the BYU team in it's long awaited NCAA tournament win!

    FYI, there is an equal amount of haters posting on each school's articles. It's ridiculous to think it only goes one way.

    Good luck to Dave Rose and his team. He's a classy coach and represents BYU very well. I'd hope the Cougar fans would follow his example and forget about making comparisons to the team up on the hill, after all, it's hard to compare 12 wins to 35, right? You don't have 15 sweet 16s or 4 final fours. Lose the bitterness and enjoy your time with a successful program!

    Good luck on Saturday!

  • BYU DUDE
    March 19, 2010 1:42 a.m.

    All you cry baby UTEs boo hoo hoo. Next year wont be any better your big can't walk and chew gum at the same time. And Marsha Brady will enough said.

    BYU will rest relax and then win again. How great will it be when the Cougars are playing in your back yard.!!! When that Cougar invaded Utahs campus it was an omen of great things to come.

  • Neighbors,
    March 19, 2010 1:12 a.m.

    Used to be I had to talk to my neighbors when the Y won or lost. It was fun to tease when the Y won and I had to take the jokes when they lost. Now on these message boards people say things that they would NEVER say to the guy next door who mows your lawn when you are out of town, or makes sure your kid isn't playing in the street. Hiding behind the anonymity of a message board makes some people feel entitled to be brash, crude and even bigoted. I congratulate those who are civil on these message boards and truly feel sorry for those who spew hate and anger. Get over it. Most if not all of us still have to go to work the next day even if our team wins or loses. Y or U or USU fan, I hope you are more humane in your treatment of each other. Celebrate the other teams accomplishments and enjoy it when your team is winning, but remember next season, you could be the one with the losing record.

  • Won and done???
    March 19, 2010 12:48 a.m.

    Better "won and done" than "done and done". Utah's athletic program is failing altogether.

  • McNasty
    March 19, 2010 12:33 a.m.

    Re: Well-deserved???@11:41 pm.

    Florida's coach, Billy Donovan said that this game was the most physical game his team played in all year. BYU played physical, they played hard, sure they made mistakes, but they never gave up. Florida is a Jeckel and Hyde team and they brought their "A" game today against BYU. BYU deserved to win because when the clock hit "0.00" BYU had 99 points and Florida had 92.

    You and guys like you have selective memories of the last two decades. Maybe you might want to go back and relive those memories. There's a guy named Napoleon D. that will probably sell you a time machine cheap. Please look him up, you deserve the shock...ooops, I mean shot od living in the past.

  • Come on Now
    March 19, 2010 12:28 a.m.

    Leave to Dick Harmon to turn BYU's first round win into a "game of the century" victory. Nice win Cougars but K-State is waiting for you. Will DH turn that into a "game of the century" defeat if the Cougars lose?

  • Deserving
    March 19, 2010 12:24 a.m.

    Cancel the world of sports, because poor Mr anti-"well-deserved" doesn't believe any athlete or sports team ever "deserved" to win anything.

    Are all Utah fans really such pathetic haters that they can give BYU credit for anything?

  • Well Deserved
    March 19, 2010 12:15 a.m.

    You are a yewt loser!

  • go away gutless Won der
    March 19, 2010 12:11 a.m.

    this guy has to be the most pathetic loser on the planet to continue with his trash talking after being thoroughly humiliated with his clueless "one-and-done" predictions

  • re: Go Utes! | 6:50 p.m.
    March 19, 2010 12:06 a.m.

    Shaddup until you have a team again.

  • SJ Bobkins
    March 19, 2010 12:00 a.m.

    I can hardly watch the play of BYU's inside guys on both ends of the court without putting my hands squarely over my worried eyes.

    Hartsock 3-7 2-2 8, Miles 1-1 0-0 2, Davies 0-1 0-2 0, Tavernari 2-6 0-0 6, a combined 6 of 15, 16 pathetic points from 60% of the starters.

    Davies has the potential to show some power underneath but the others might as well be mannequins for their quickness after the ball and ability to react on defense. I see a line of Russell Larson zombie rag dolls on the court seemingly to meet the required team of 5. Kudos big-time for Jimmer and Loyd, they were real men today. If Davies can mature and show consistency, Hartsock would only see cleanup time. All 4 MWC losses were to UNLV or Old/New Mexico Lizzie Lambert Tech, when the guards couldn't carry the team, and the opponents were too strong under the bucket. If this team had a forward/center man up, making it to the Final Eight would be a certainty.
    Whip the WildCats!!!!!!

  • Well-deserved???
    March 18, 2010 11:41 p.m.

    How was this win well-deserved? What did BYU do to "deserve" this win? What did Florida do to not "deserve" to win this game? Did BYU somehow "deserve" to lose all those first round NCAA tourney games the past two decades? What a weak thing to say about the result of a game.

  • re:Won and Done | 11:20 p.m.
    March 18, 2010 11:35 p.m.

    Yep. 30 win season. Lame program.

    99 points. Lame offense.

    Now if we could just build to the goal of 1-8 in basketball and 1 of 4 in football against the yewts, and take the season off early, we would be worthy to talk trash.

  • Idaho Cougar
    March 18, 2010 11:28 p.m.

    Great win, but we still need better Defense. Dave Rose was right. They needed all 99 points to win, the question will they be able to get that many next time. Let's hope so.

  • lobo1shane
    March 18, 2010 11:22 p.m.

    That was one of the guttiest performances I've ever seen. Just a tremendous college basketball game. Looks like its up to BYU and the Lobos to represent the MWC. I was hoping all four teams would advance.

  • Won and Done
    March 18, 2010 11:20 p.m.

    BYU won, and now will be done in the next game.

    So One and done shifts to

    Won and done.

    One win in 17 years! Quality program.

  • georg
    March 18, 2010 10:03 p.m.

    congratulations BYU.

  • Bill from South Dakota
    March 18, 2010 9:41 p.m.

    You gotta love it baby!

  • Help to all prognosticators
    March 18, 2010 9:40 p.m.

    To all of you that predicted "one and done". Now what clever rhyme will you come up with? Since you probably are not smart enough to come up with something on your own, I will help: "Two and through." But don't count on it.

  • Sports Insanity
    March 18, 2010 9:24 p.m.

    Where is Hot rod when need him?


    Loyd - the fastest of them all,


    the next ricky green?

  • No Doubt
    March 18, 2010 9:17 p.m.

    People! The Cougs just won a tourney game! Enjoy it! I can ignore the stupid U fans who post garbage but if you are a Y fan just enjoy it! Every player had a role today (Emery chased around an athletic guy 5 inches taller than him the whole game, Hartsock took a big charge at the end, etc.) and Jimmer's was to score! Thank goodness he (and Lloyd) did! Now enjoy it! And then get ready to watch them do it again on Saturday! Go Cougs!

  • grumpolman
    March 18, 2010 9:04 p.m.

    Re: not a team
    Huh? They win and their not a team? Lamest comments ever. Keep playing like your playing Cougs, everything from here on is icing on the cake. All players contributed to this win, Lloyd was awesome, Jackson hiting that key three, Haws key free throws, Davies rebounding and playing smart, JT's key 3, Hartsock was great Miles and Abuo solid and Jimmer was amazing as usual. Go Cougs.

  • re: TEAM
    March 18, 2010 8:44 p.m.

    Hey we are winning!

    Get over all the drama. Most coaches only have a few key guys they lean on and everyone else is a role player. Jimmer is a great team player. Has it ever occurred to you Rice is calling all the plays for Jimmer because he delivers and Rice doesn't like other options. Life is tough, deal with it.

    Go COUGARS!!

  • Cougars Fan
    March 18, 2010 8:29 p.m.

    Great win, but that was a scary game, Florida just wouldn't go away. Lyod jr really sparked BYU in the first half and came up big throughout the game. Jimmer did his typical thing again and took over in the second overtime. BYU didnt play real good interior defense in this game, they need to do a better job against Kansas state. Nice to get a win though and break that long drought.

    Go Cougars!

  • Is Haws hurt?
    March 18, 2010 8:28 p.m.

    Is Haws suffering from his eye injury still? Why didn't he play in the second half? Charles and LeMont didn't get in either. Where did our depth go?

  • re: not a TEAM
    March 18, 2010 8:26 p.m.

    Didn't Rice come from UNLV and USU? You would think he would have learned more. Regardless, you are right, this offense is not pretty. When the national 'experts' comment on BYU in the pre-game, they cite all the BYU media talking points about great passing and team play. When the 'experts' comment after seeing BYU, you never hear those compliments. They will say Jimmer is talented, but the 'team' or sharing comments are lost in the evidence.
    None the less, go BYU!

  • congrats
    March 18, 2010 8:16 p.m.

    go cougars

    (go away haters)

  • not a TEAM
    March 18, 2010 8:05 p.m.

    How the kuwgs win is a little odd. If Lloyd isn't sprinting for a layup, Jimmer is dribbling, and dribbling, and dribbling to get off a shot. To shoot over 25 times is not fun to watch. Either the whole team can't shoot, or Rice is a terrible offensive coach (contrary to points scored).
    I am having fun watching other TEAMS play and compete to win.
    Has anyone wondered what happened to JT this season? Answer: Jimmer. When the team passes the ball around JT can shoot in the flow of the game. JT follows the circle of life and his energy flows with a TEAM game. When he stands around to watch Jimmer dribble and shoot, he becomes an average player, which is what all other players have turned into. (all starters are doing less at the end of the season because Jimmer has taken everyone out of sync.)

  • Mar 18
    March 18, 2010 7:46 p.m.

    I think Jimmer should dribble more.

  • Classless ute fan
    March 18, 2010 7:42 p.m.

    just had to show his fuzzy face! No more one and done, lil bro. But there is still none and done!

    How's that jc transfer hunting working for u?

  • ScOrEbOaRd
    March 18, 2010 7:24 p.m.

    nuff said

  • byu fans...
    March 18, 2010 7:17 p.m.

    please ignore the haters. Don't call them ute fans. They are not ute fans, just BYU haters. All most none of the haters even know how the utes did this year. The real ute fans are laying in the closet in the fetal positions crying like babies. These slugs posting the hate are BYU haters not Ute fans. Lets not give them the milk they so badly need.

  • Re: Cewgs
    March 18, 2010 6:59 p.m.

    Thanks for you cool comments. Last I checked your beloved Utes are at home. Not even the NIT wanted your pathetic Utes! If you want to dig up the past in either sports, then lets talk. Oh wait, I bet you will have a time limit on what BYU can bring up but your final four from 12 years ago is still valid!

  • ?Super Bowl?
    March 18, 2010 6:57 p.m.

    Congratulations on the win but, 1 win at an NCAA tournament is nothing like winning the Super Bowl. I think Steve Young winning the Super Bowl was much better than this win. Can expectations have fallen that low. Maybe BYU should look for a new AD if 1 win at the NCAAs is the standard. This team should be expecting no less than regular sweet 16s.

  • Go Utes!
    March 18, 2010 6:50 p.m.

    Go get'em in the NCAA. Oh wait...
    Go get'em in the NIT. Oh wait...
    Go get'em in the stories of past glory days... well, there's always that. Don't forget to tell us about your national championship during WWII.

  • Cewgs
    March 18, 2010 6:43 p.m.

    Talk when you have something noteworthy to talk about, like a final 4 or a BCS win(or two)

    Go utes!

  • Non-sports fan
    March 18, 2010 6:30 p.m.

    I am now a sports fan! Go Cougars

  • Japanese Fan
    March 18, 2010 6:29 p.m.

    I love the cougars!

  • BlueBoy
    March 18, 2010 6:20 p.m.

    BYU's mistakes versus Florida:

    Unforced turnovers = 4 total; 1 first half, 2 second half, 1 first overtime; NOT BAD! But, points lost would've prevented overtime!

    Missed easy layups = 9 total; evenly distributed throughout game. Lack of focus on some of them. Even making just one more of those would've prevented overtime.

    Bad shots early in shot clock = 0. Wow! Good patience. Way to run the offense! (Florida itself had several of those.)

    Dumb fouls = 4; two in each half; none in overtimes. Not bad, but shouldn't be happening.

    Bad passes = 2, only in first half. VERY NICE! Way to take care of the ball.

    Traveling calls = 2, only first half. Respectable.

    Dribbling out the clock forcing bad shot = 2, both in second half. Acceptable, except that they helped getting into overtime.

    All told, 23 miscues, evenly distributed throughout the game. Consistent, at least.

    I'd give BYU a B+ for this game.

    Now, against K-State, no chance of winning if BYU doesn't play a cleaner game.

    BYU will need their A game to beat K-State.

  • RE wyoming fan
    March 18, 2010 6:17 p.m.

    Thanks for your gracious thoughts... Maybe next year we get 5 teams in and Wyo will be there too.

  • Duh
    March 18, 2010 6:09 p.m.

    The pressure is off now we are the underdogs.

  • byu fan
    March 18, 2010 6:06 p.m.

    what a great win. congrats.

  • Wyoming Fan
    March 18, 2010 5:58 p.m.

    Way to go Cougars!

  • Alaskan Coug
    March 18, 2010 5:50 p.m.

    GREAT win, learn from todays mistakes, now that you have this monkey off your back go out and win another one. You can win Saturday, relax and have fun doing it. GO COUG's