Past actions should not detract from legislator's service, speaker says
Utah GOP had to have a closed door session to determine if anyone in the room
had a brain.
Perhaps you should tell that to clinton and edwards and kennedy, franks, and
other DEMOCRATS, 'cause they have done them all and much more.LIBERALS are disgusting hypocrites.
Wait until the hammer falls, ok. What Garn did was illegal, the question is
does the prosecution in Utah has the guts to follow through. That is the only
question before us.As to the gop meeting behind closed doors to get
their story straight about why they applauded the man... heaven only knows what
the immoral are doing that for. More of the same gop garbage.I want
to know why the women are seeing applauding.What kind of sheep are
my question is why did Deseret News sit on story for 8 years? Shouldn't they
report the news. Everyone is always sorry especially when they get caught.
Is Kevin Garn any relation to Jake Garn?
Oh, he was a kid at 28? We better send him to Juvenile Detention....wait, no ,
he would like that.
Utah is one hundred % wEiRd. Never seen anything quite like it.
Will the GOP will next embarrass Utah by cheering on child pornography and
exploitation of children?
Here we go...double speaking politicians making up any excuse they think will
work. There's something seriously wrong when a man announces he's been
inappropriate with a minor then all the people listening stand up to cheer him.
It just shows their mindset. If anything, he should have been booed and thrown
out. I'm sick of the status quo Utah lawmakers...they all need to
be thrown out on their ear.
Tips for GOP lawmakers, the following tips are things against the law since it
seems like you guys need help:1. Sexual relations with minors2. Being naked with minors3. Cheating on your wife4. Beating your
wife5. DUI6. Stealing7. Murder8. Rape9. Molesting
people10. Buying booze for minors
Can you imagine the Republican disdain, criticism and righteous indignation that
would have come if Garn and the legislature had been Democrats? This is truly a
case of supreme hypocracy. But, in today's political climate, what else is
new?What happened to Massa (D-NY) and Garn is essential: those who
have immoral sins must be purged immediately from elected position.
'28-year old kid?' - 9:47 a.m. I agree with Trowe. At 18 you can
join the military. At 21 you can legally consume alchohol. At 24 you are
elidable to get discounts on your car insurance. 28 year old kid?
I doubt it? 15 year old girl? She couldn't even get
her drivers permit but she saw a LOT more of Garn!
Christian for politics. He should open a ministry somewhere. Utah County would
be a good place to start.
Garn's actions hurt the girl, hurt his family, hurt his church, hurt
Republicans. It is obvious he is all about himself and his needs. He is an
admitted lewd man and need to be prosecuted.
@Kenneth in Texas It took no courage- his apology was a (now) failed
attempt at keeping his job. She had proof (by way of emails he sent
and money he paid) that her story was true. She sent these to utah politicians
and media outlets. They were running the story, and gave him time to
"voluntarily" confess.I am not throwing any stones, but I most
certainly am calling for our house leaders to account for their actions.
Star | 7:09 a.m. March 18, 2010 28-year old kid? That's a new
phrase. 28, married, raising a family, owns a booming business, but let's call
him a kid to make his past actions sound excusable!And he was 30 in
the 1985, not 28. Unless he's claiming it happend in 1983, which would also
reduce her age by 2 years.
One of the scariest points of this whole issue is most of the Representatives
didn't even know what they were applauding. I hope, but fear that they don't,
know more about what they are voting for. This incident has exposed the ethical
boundries of our legislature. No wonder the public wants a voice a the table.
This incident proves why. It is unfortunate that many people are trying to spin
this as a small mistake. Apparently the Deseret News thought so too. So other
than the principal parties, the real losses here are 1. An ethical legislature,
and 2. an objective Deseret News. Neither will regain the public trust anytime
Oh sure! He's not that little kid anymore--Ha Ha Ha! funny is as funny does.
28-30 is hardly a little kid. Pullleeeeaaaaassssseee! Some of you commenting
have no commonsense whatsoever! I was hoping our state was not being run by
conniving immature liars, BUT this seems not to be the case.Lets get
some maturity into these comments. I'm tired of reading little kiddy
bloggaroos!Oh yes, a lie is always a lie no matter what.
You applaud a man after he admits to getting naked in front of a 15 year old
girl. Until you appologize for supporting such disgusting action, I have
nothing to give you except my silence.
Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we set out to deceive.
Revelations of such lewd behavior involving elected officials, even years after
the fact, are all too common place. But, most politicians either deny or
minimize their guilt -- anything to get re-elected. With Rep. Garn, it sounds
like he was being open and honest, and voluntarily stepping down. That takes
courage! I do not condone immorality in any form, or giving alcohol to a minor.
But, I do applaud honesty and courage!Let he/she who is without sin
be the first to cast a stone.
C'mon. the poor guy has been carrying this around with him for 25 years. Believe
me, he has punished himself with guilt more than any of us could punish him with
the law. This is something that should have been talked about behind closed
doors. It's a matter that none of us have any right to place judgement on and I
am grateful for all his years of service.
Every reasonable person understands that they were not appalling what Garn did
25 years ago, but that he had the courage to stand in front of his peers and
"air his dirty laundry".What's wrong here is the fact that the GOP felt
the need to have a closed meeting to discuss it. They were either discussing:1-they wished they had the courage to admit their wrongdoings2-they
wished it had been them all those years ago
I know that this guy committed a crime and I don't want to belittle that crime.
It's just that this man is a whole different person than he was 25 years ago.
He's not that 28 year old kid anymore and I really think everyone should leave
the poor guy alone. He's been carrying this around for a long time and has
probably punished himself with guilt more than any of us could punish him for
the crime. Give him a break.
The rationalization begins. The circling of the wagons to protect the inside
power boys is underway. An adult has sexual activity with a minor, with long
term consequences in her life, and he pays her $150,000 in hush money. Wow!
And then you applaud, then makes excuses why you did it. You didn't even
publicly call for his resignation. You would have swept it under the rug.
I rather feel the incident represents the entire legislatures actions in all
things political. They claim to represent the people's best interest, instead
they give themselves standing ovations on all their doings, legal or illegal,
when no adulation is warranted.
Wow. That was one pointless meeting.They're still using language like "we
don't condone.".How about "We're sorry, we were wrong to applaud.
We condemn the actios that took place in 1985 and again in 2002."
Funny that the standing ovation was done in open session, but discussing what
was wrong with it has to take place behind closed doors?What's up
The reality is that Deseret News should have posted the story back in 2002.The reality is that once Garn had paid $150,000 hush money as an excuse
to help her heal, he made a conscious choice that led him further from the very
same values he swore to uphold.The reality is that the underlying
crime is not the issue, but his moral turpitude and his duty to the public as an
state official is...You guys need to accept that this entire scandal
is a newsworthy, regardless of how long ago it had happened. The faster the
public comes to terms with it, the better off we all will be
I hate to be a critic of loyalty, but this was way over the top. I know that
many of these people have been friends for years, and the tendency would be to
support your friend, but they have to know better! If one of my
neighbors or friends announced this kind of thing, I would pity him. I would
wish him well, I would report him to the police, and I would sure as heck keep
him away from my teen-age daughter.
Let them get together, discuss this, and then issue a statement about it. The
result of this meeting will be very interesting. I somehow doubt that anything
major will come of this (certainly not additional transparency), but maybe this
could be the first small step towards realizing that the good ole' boy system
doesn't work. Protecting your own in a case like this was a bad
Just because the statute of limitations expires, does not mean a crime was not
committed. It just means it can't be prosecuted.
This is all about damage control. They applauded openly and now conspire
secretly. It ain't just the federal government I'm worried about.
This is a non-issue. Let it be!!
Maybe they were afraid that some members wouldn't speak their minds if it they
allowed cameras in. That's why some courts don't let cameras, isn't it?
A closed door meeting to prove you have ethics. I like it.
Apparently they must have realized that they don't, and decided to hold a
meeting to make it look like they do.
@ @Trowe 8:22.Hopefully they got a lot of calls and emails. Their
actions were horrendous. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
Is this really news? So they applauded their friend- what's the big deal?
They must have gotten quite a few calls to force them in to this meeting.
Hard to believe they didn't hold out longer. Seen if the media and public
dropped this issue. Maybe they actually think they made a mistake in applauding
him.Time will tell.
at this point I'm not sure an apology would really mean much. First impressions
are hard to replace- they would need to convince me that the meeting was out of
a sincere desire to correct action, rather than a political calculation to score
Nothing like a closed door meeting to plan the best possible reaction that will
score the most political points (does the GOP need political points in Utah?)
That's all fine, as long as they now demonstrate the correct behavior- harsh
criticism of his action, and sincere apology for their own mistake.
This year's legistlative session will life in infamy, regardless of what bills
they passed. Open with a Killpack DUI and end with not only Garn's confession,
but with the legislature's botched handling of it. Hopefully these guys have a
wake up moment in their little meeting and at least publicly critize themselves,
even if it will be less than sincere.
In the published transcript of what Garn said provided by the Deseret News
there is no mention that he or the "girl half his age" were nude. I am
not saying this to dispute it, I fully realize that since then it is pretty
clear Garn has admitted that detail. I am saying it to point out that the
reaction to what Garn said has to be considered in light of that fact. I
still do not understand the standing ovation, but we must scritinize based on
what the people knew there then, not based on what they know now.
As well they should. Their actions were inexcusable. Giving an enthusiastic
standing ovation to a man confessing criminal activity with a minor is not
worthy of such applause. I hope they will now have the courage to admit they
were wrong, apologize for not calling on Garn to resign, and promise to enact
real ethics reforms. Without such a promise, I will be signing the Ethics
petition currently being circulated.
I hope that in the wake of this meeting they issue a strong statement against
Garn's actions, and harshly critizing themselves for the raucous applause and
standing ovation. It was despicable. I hope Garn and Maher can both get the
closure they need from this incident.What I want is for the
legislature to apologize for their actions (standing ovation). It was wrong.
Garn's admission took no courage. He was forced to confess because Maher
produced proof (Garn's emails). If you want to thank him for his
service, do it privately, after publicly condemning the action (not necessarily
the man) and calling for him to resign. I encourage all to write their
representative and express your outrage. The state publicly lists their emails,
which can be found using a simple internet search.
What a mess! I am not voting for my representative in the legislature after
seeing his picture in the DN taking part in the standing ovation. Everyone
keeps calling it a "mistake". It's much more than a mistake. Young teens
cannot consent to back rubs and hot tubs naked with men who are 30! We have
laws against that. I'm happy they are even meeting to discuss this big PR
problem. What a bunch of hypocrites we have in the legislature. I'm sure
voters will not forget the DUI and the hot tub ovation when they are at the
polls next election.
ARe you going to let Dayton, Curtis, Walker, et. al into the meeting? After
all, the are HEAVILIY invested in Garn and the outcome of this tragedy.
To "The Truth",I must assume you didn't graduate from law school
persistent to the grammer used in your statement. What he did IS illegal when
it involves a CHILD. If he had been locked up 25 years ago when he should have
been there would have been no public service to applaud. The rest of the
criminals in the State Prison System weren't given 25 years to try and amend
their mistakes. The law is the law - and we need to protect CHILDREN. I
believe Clark should step down as well - let him join Garn!!!
Nice work, Speaker Clark. I was listening on the web when you led the ovation
for Garn. There was nothing but admiration in your voice for him — and
you failed to condemn his actions.It is no coincidence that the live
audio feed of that presentation is not on the tapes accessible at the
legislature's home page. It was a public speech given on taxpayer's time and
yet it is gone. I wish the public could hear it. Clark's tone with Garn was
Where did you get the idea that Garn broke no laws? Although he and Maher both
say they didn't have intercourse, Garn almost certainly broke the law by giving
alcohol to a minor and then taking her to a hot tub joint where they both got
naked in the tub together. To make things worse, she was not only a minor, but
was his employee. Although Kevin Garn may have later changed his ways and
become a great guy, there's no question but that his earlier conduct went beyond
simple "mistakes." I feel sorry for him, but I don't pretend he's innocent.
Clark specifically asked Garn to stay in the legislature before he led the
applause by saying "We hope you will remain with us." He can spin this as much
as he wants but, David Clark's speech said the wrong things and the standing
ovation was outrageous. I will not be voting for any Republican incumbents this
fall because they are ethically corrupt and the handling of the Garn confession
is proof of that.
I do not know what there is meet here about,GARN BROKE NO LAWS.Maher said herselgf they DID NOTHING.And it all
happend in private, 30 yesrs agao, so NOT even a lewdness midismeanor may even
apply.it is all long after the statute of limitations have
expired.so even if you possibbly file a lewdness charge it could
and would not apply, and all happen 30 years ago!they dis NOT applaud him for addmitiing some follish behavior,[ NO CRIME WAS COMMITTED! ] they applauded him for his years
service in the senate, which is WELL DESERVED.
All we need is another closed-door session. Thanks guys--That really helps your
credibility. Are you giving all the privileged few a secret password or do they
have to use their Captain Midnight Secret Decoder Ring to know the exact
location of your meeting?Hey there! Hi there! Ho there! We're (the
public, that is) not welcome as can be!M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E
you can make mistakes, move on and still serve. what is wrong with that?
everyone makes mistakes. this was a serious mistake, a gross mistake...but if
he did his job then applauding that is fine - are you people so stupid to
suggest that they applauding his crime?
You applauded him just AFTER he admitted this crime. You applauded the
I applaud their efforts.