When the next round of BRAC (military base closings) comes around, I wonder
where HAFB will be - the first of second base closed? Thanks Rep.
Wimmer for insuring that Utah's legal teams will be kept busy for years to come
defending these bills in court battle after court battle jsut so you can show
tough you are. The rest of us get to pick up the tab.
It sounds a lot like Orrin Hatch's sagebrush rebellion of 20 years ago. As Hatch
became more a part of the Washington establishment, it was forgotten. But
somebody needs to keep this issue alive. Thanks, Carl.
Wimmer's stance is right-on. The federal govt has no place doing 80% of the
things they do. Still, until we can actually stop the federal return theft (as
in taxation and redistribution of our wealth to pay off special interest groups
of politicians in other states) there is not much point to this.
Madden | 9:34 a.m. Why don't you pony up the cash and take the feral government
to court. You will loose. You've overdose on Kool Aid.
I hope Wimmer and other so-called fiscal conservatives will finally be exposed
for what they really are. They squeeze every dollar before any of it gets to
education, but they freely expose Utah and Utah taxpayers to the obligation to
pay millions of dollars in attorneys fees for litigation that every competent
lawyer knows Utah will lose. They have voted to have you and me pay for the
extremists of the Patrick Henry caucus. Gee, thanks, Wimmer.
And Utah continues to receive more money from the federal government than it
sends back. I agree, stop having your hand out Utah and support yourself.
for wasting my hard earned tax payer money on your radical right agenda. I
don't care for the extermes of both parties (left on the national scene for the
moment, right in this state). His actions in my opinion are fraud, waste and
abuse of my tax money. Why don't you far right wingers go start a new country
where you can be as whacky as you want to be, but don't drag my along unwilling
with message bills etc. etc..
as I am sure the Feds will appreciate the anti-union stance some of our
legislators have taken. Makes my think were in the 1850s deep south. Don't
whine Utah when those well paying federal jobs go away; genius I tell you,
I think Mr. Wimmer spends too much time getting opinions from the naive and
uneducated people within our state.
or vice versa :)
House Minority Assistant Whip Carol Spackman Moss, D-Holladay, said it was
unrealistic to think that Utah can subsist without federal assistance."The reality is, Utah is very dependent on federal funding," she said.We are very dependent yet we should not accept dependency, we should be
kicking the habit. PHC efforts are a waste if we do not stop accepting federal
doles that never add up in Utah citizen's favor. Education is but one example.
Spending is higher than every yet we are still short of money, too much wasted
on federally mandated foolishness to help the children in the classrooms
(federal mandates created by both parties/factions). Feds are not
constitutionally competent to run education and never should have, we must stop
being dependent and start doing it right!The whacky ideas were the
ones that started this country 'Thanks Rep Wimmer' and are called personal
responsibility, federalism, and lowest level of self-government. We don't need
another new country but our country restored so Utah can thrive and the federal
government can thrive and YOU can thrive. Freedom and constitutional government
is not whacky. Whacky is being dependent on federal money!
Good job Boss Hogg, I mean Wimmer!
Yay Wimmer!First you scurry about with crooks like Rick Korber and then
you tearfully console Garn (sitting in a hot tub with an underage employee is
just wrong).What else are you going to save us from?
All of you who think that state sovereignty is wacky or radical are perfect
examples of our failed school systems. Our founders wanted schools in America
(established and operated by communities, not the fed) to teach morality and
government in addition to the 3 R's. Taking morality out has gotten us schools
that range from out of control to very dangerous. Taking government out has
gotten us the previously mentioned comments and millions like those people
across the nation who are illiterate regarding the design of our government
"Why don't you far right wingers go start a new country where you can be as
whacky as you want to be..."We tried that in 1787/1788 and we
thought it took, but our efforts have been usurped. Of course, our early efforts
were legislated in 1776 with the "message bill" that we now call the Declaration
The Utah Statehood Bill contained a provision that all "unappropreated" land
within the boundaries of the new state would be returned expeditiously to the
control of the state. 114 years later that has still not happened. The Federal
government is violating its own law. Unappropriated lands are those not
privately owned or reserved to the Federal gov't as per the Constitution. They
include military reservations, Indian reservations, and government office
facilities and locations. What's so radical about completing the terms of
Ms. Spackman maybe you forget Utah tax payers annually contribute Billions of
Dollars of Income to the Federal Government. We should expect to
get a return on our investment, not a slap in the mouth every time we turn
around. We are tired of being taxed and then told what we can do. Over 70 percent of the land in Utah is either BLM land, U.S. National Forest,
U.S. National Park, U.S. National Monument, National Recreation Area or U.S.
Wilderness Area.If New York or Massachusetts were that
controlled how do you think they would feel? Mark my words, in the
future, unless we do something now, we will have to pay the Fed to even drink a
glass of water.
It is about time that someone stood up for State rights. For decades the
Federal government has used federal funding as blackmail to keep states in line.
For those of you who have forgotten, the States created the Federal government,
not the other way around. Under the U.S. Constitution the Federal
government's primary responsibility is Foreign Affairs. The authority not
specifically granted the Federal Government under the Constitution is reserved
for the States. If you read the Constitution you will find that Washington is
granted very limited authority. Washington seems to have forgotten that fact.
I wouldn't be surprised if most of you making comments in favor of
the Federal Government's control haven't read the Constitution, much less
understand it.There are 37 States that have or are in the process of
passing laws reaserting the rights granted them under the Constitution and the
Bill of Rights. I am proud that Utah is one of them.
We have lost our local freedom in many ways. Too often we must be granted
permission from the federal level for local matters. They are like kings
overseas dictating broad laws, but too removed to feel the local consequences.
(have you read Yertle the Turtle?) Particularly now they seem disinterested in
the reality of these new laws and certainly of the fiscal future. Yes, we are hooked on federal money- money for cooperation, money for control,
money to keep quiet, open the door, and step aside. I support
localized decision and control which empowers local people. I would that the fed
shrink in size/power, shedding responsibilities back to states, and focus on its
limited proper role. I'd rather see 50 experiments running simultaneously
solving our problems.Let's have a strong federal government only
within its proper role. States and local government will then take care of the
rest- and no "kings" allowed.Thanks.
I am so sick and tired of this crazy talk. Carl Wimmer has done NOTHING in his
life that would make me believe that he's some sort of expert on the
Constitution. He's a security guard for crying out loud!