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Published: Friday, March 12 2010 12:00 a.m. MST

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Hmm...

When the next round of BRAC (military base closings) comes around, I wonder where HAFB will be - the first of second base closed?

Thanks Rep. Wimmer for insuring that Utah's legal teams will be kept busy for years to come defending these bills in court battle after court battle jsut so you can show tough you are. The rest of us get to pick up the tab.

Sagebrush rebellion?

It sounds a lot like Orrin Hatch's sagebrush rebellion of 20 years ago. As Hatch became more a part of the Washington establishment, it was forgotten. But somebody needs to keep this issue alive. Thanks, Carl.

Madden

Wimmer's stance is right-on. The federal govt has no place doing 80% of the things they do. Still, until we can actually stop the federal return theft (as in taxation and redistribution of our wealth to pay off special interest groups of politicians in other states) there is not much point to this.

Anonymous

Madden | 9:34 a.m. Why don't you pony up the cash and take the feral government to court. You will loose. You've overdose on Kool Aid.

Original Geezer

I hope Wimmer and other so-called fiscal conservatives will finally be exposed for what they really are. They squeeze every dollar before any of it gets to education, but they freely expose Utah and Utah taxpayers to the obligation to pay millions of dollars in attorneys fees for litigation that every competent lawyer knows Utah will lose. They have voted to have you and me pay for the extremists of the Patrick Henry caucus. Gee, thanks, Wimmer.

Re Madden

And Utah continues to receive more money from the federal government than it sends back. I agree, stop having your hand out Utah and support yourself.

Thanks Rep Wimmer

for wasting my hard earned tax payer money on your radical right agenda. I don't care for the extermes of both parties (left on the national scene for the moment, right in this state). His actions in my opinion are fraud, waste and abuse of my tax money. Why don't you far right wingers go start a new country where you can be as whacky as you want to be, but don't drag my along unwilling with message bills etc. etc..

Bye Hill AFB

as I am sure the Feds will appreciate the anti-union stance some of our legislators have taken. Makes my think were in the 1850s deep south. Don't whine Utah when those well paying federal jobs go away; genius I tell you, genius.

cachesoul

I think Mr. Wimmer spends too much time getting opinions from the naive and uneducated people within our state.

@cachesoul

or vice versa :)

VFWDude

House Minority Assistant Whip Carol Spackman Moss, D-Holladay, said it was unrealistic to think that Utah can subsist without federal assistance.

"The reality is, Utah is very dependent on federal funding," she said.

We are very dependent yet we should not accept dependency, we should be kicking the habit. PHC efforts are a waste if we do not stop accepting federal doles that never add up in Utah citizen's favor. Education is but one example. Spending is higher than every yet we are still short of money, too much wasted on federally mandated foolishness to help the children in the classrooms (federal mandates created by both parties/factions). Feds are not constitutionally competent to run education and never should have, we must stop being dependent and start doing it right!

The whacky ideas were the ones that started this country 'Thanks Rep Wimmer' and are called personal responsibility, federalism, and lowest level of self-government. We don't need another new country but our country restored so Utah can thrive and the federal government can thrive and YOU can thrive. Freedom and constitutional government is not whacky. Whacky is being dependent on federal money!

Boss Hogg

Good job Boss Hogg, I mean Wimmer!

Anonymous

Yay Wimmer!
First you scurry about with crooks like Rick Korber and then you tearfully console Garn (sitting in a hot tub with an underage employee is just wrong).

What else are you going to save us from?

trinket59

All of you who think that state sovereignty is wacky or radical are perfect examples of our failed school systems. Our founders wanted schools in America (established and operated by communities, not the fed) to teach morality and government in addition to the 3 R's. Taking morality out has gotten us schools that range from out of control to very dangerous. Taking government out has gotten us the previously mentioned comments and millions like those people across the nation who are illiterate regarding the design of our government structure.

@Thanks Rep Wimmer

"Why don't you far right wingers go start a new country where you can be as whacky as you want to be..."

We tried that in 1787/1788 and we thought it took, but our efforts have been usurped. Of course, our early efforts were legislated in 1776 with the "message bill" that we now call the Declaration of Independence.

Al Clarke

The Utah Statehood Bill contained a provision that all "unappropreated" land within the boundaries of the new state would be returned expeditiously to the control of the state. 114 years later that has still not happened. The Federal government is violating its own law. Unappropriated lands are those not privately owned or reserved to the Federal gov't as per the Constitution. They include military reservations, Indian reservations, and government office facilities and locations. What's so radical about completing the terms of statehood?

Spackman

Ms. Spackman maybe you forget Utah tax payers annually contribute Billions of Dollars of Income to the Federal Government.

We should expect to get a return on our investment, not a slap in the mouth every time we turn around. We are tired of being taxed and then told what we can do.

Over 70 percent of the land in Utah is either BLM land, U.S. National Forest, U.S. National Park, U.S. National Monument, National Recreation Area or U.S. Wilderness Area.[19]

If New York or Massachusetts were that controlled how do you think they would feel?

Mark my words, in the future, unless we do something now, we will have to pay the Fed to even drink a glass of water.

Scott N.

It is about time that someone stood up for State rights. For decades the Federal government has used federal funding as blackmail to keep states in line. For those of you who have forgotten, the States created the Federal government, not the other way around.

Under the U.S. Constitution the Federal government's primary responsibility is Foreign Affairs. The authority not specifically granted the Federal Government under the Constitution is reserved for the States. If you read the Constitution you will find that Washington is granted very limited authority. Washington seems to have forgotten that fact.

I wouldn't be surprised if most of you making comments in favor of the Federal Government's control haven't read the Constitution, much less understand it.

There are 37 States that have or are in the process of passing laws reaserting the rights granted them under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I am proud that Utah is one of them.

Andrew S.

We have lost our local freedom in many ways. Too often we must be granted permission from the federal level for local matters. They are like kings overseas dictating broad laws, but too removed to feel the local consequences. (have you read Yertle the Turtle?) Particularly now they seem disinterested in the reality of these new laws and certainly of the fiscal future.

Yes, we are hooked on federal money- money for cooperation, money for control, money to keep quiet, open the door, and step aside.

I support localized decision and control which empowers local people. I would that the fed shrink in size/power, shedding responsibilities back to states, and focus on its limited proper role. I'd rather see 50 experiments running simultaneously solving our problems.

Let's have a strong federal government only within its proper role. States and local government will then take care of the rest- and no "kings" allowed.

Thanks.

Coach 3
Mapleton, UT

I am so sick and tired of this crazy talk. Carl Wimmer has done NOTHING in his life that would make me believe that he's some sort of expert on the Constitution. He's a security guard for crying out loud!

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