Let's not fool ourselves. "Approval to merge" is merely a euphemism for the
destruction of all that is unique and special about the College of Eastern Utah
by the commissioner of higher education and the board of regents (both
intentionally left uncapitalized as no respect is deserved to either IMHO).This will save NO money in our difficult financial climate and will only
serve to further diminish CEU by hiding it under the ridiculous misnomer Utah
State University-College of Eastern Utah. Real brilliance behind this choice.A VERY sad day in the annuls of Utah higher education.
There was a College of Eastern Utah? Hard to miss what you never knew existed.
Looking back over the past few years - I've read many more administrative
problems associated with the small school campuses, than those of the larger
institutions. Not all "that is unique" is "special" about CEU. The ability to
deliver a marketable degree at the lowest possible cost should be the desire of
all Higher Education campuses. If the large school's audit staff have kept
better records on finances, then they've helped keep programs intact. Class
size and the ability to get to know a Professor will only change in Price if
USU/CEU enrollment skyrockets. I'd prefer the red clay over Grad Student
teachers and Old Main any day. Now if the legislature will seize the day and
look at the opportunity to merge and purge a few more Administrators at all
levels of the Education Industrial Complex - we'll really be on the right track!
I fear this will saddle USU with more debt and financial instability. USU
already has laid off or forced early retirement hundreds of faculty and staff.
With CEU's financial troubles, will USU be further as risk for financial
instability? I see another brain drain at USU on the horizon!
I am a non-traditional secondary education student that is graduating from CEU
in two months.I will proudly stand with the last class to receive a CEU degree.
The College of Eastern Utah has been a wonderful experience for me, with
small classrooms and professors that personally care.I have been appalled at the
horror stories from relatives, describing classes at the large Utah universities
where the instructor is trying to teach an auditorium full of hundreds of
students. Although I am looking forward to the additional programs offered
by the merger, I hope that USU doesn't turn the small college experience that I
and my wife enjoyed so much into another diploma mill.
Calling it USU-CEU is lame. They need to just call it "USU-Price" or "USU-Carbon
(county)." Why is there a need in Utah to confuse people with a constant barage
of acronyms?Look at the name spelled out... "Utah State
University-College of Eastern Utah" (Welcome to the Department of Redundancy
Department). Saying "Utah" twice in the school's name is ridiculous.Besides, it's not really in Eastern Utah as much as Roosevelt, Vernal, Moab,
Blanding and Monticello are. Divide the state into fourths vertically and Price
is not in the most east section. Close, but not quite. Just because it's east of
the Wasatch Front doesn't mean that it's in Eastern Utah. The only argument that
can be used is that it is CURRENTLY the east most college in Utah. What happens
when the community of Vernal decides that their "ATC" should become a college...
will they name it College of More Eastern Utah (CMEU)?
A degree from Utah State University is more marketable than a degree from CEU,
especially in Education. Top 5 college in the country.
Does CEU have debts? Someone should have told USU that before all the
glad-handers signed on the bottom line. Something smells fishy.
I'm sure USU has no idea if CEU has debts. It is not usually practice for
financial records to be thoroughly reviewed during mergers of large business
entities.You better write USU a letter warning them, or hope that
they somehow come upon your message.
I'm very excited about the move as it will further help our football team
achieve greatness. CEU will now become a main feeder program for us much like
Ricks was for BYU during the 80's and 90's.Watch out Boise, Utah, and BYU.
We are on the rise.
"@ CEU Debt", thank you for your message. I got a good laugh from it. Some
people leave the dumbest comments. "Someone should have told USU that before
signing the bottom line" Oh, what a genius idea. I'm sure that no one even
considered that throughout the entire lengthy process of merging. Wow! Where
did you get your degree "CEU debt"; USU? or CEU?
Your from Blanding and asked, "where do you work?"Utah State University
College of Eastern Utah San Juan Campus. Or USU-CEU-SJC. Talk about ridiculus!
How about we just become USU and leave it at that.
It would be a great football feeder program if they had a football team. Duh!
USU and CEU know exactly what the expectations are. Budget for the campuses
will remain separate, according to several articles I have read, and teams of
experts from USU have made several trips to CEU to review everything from
registration, to finances, and infrastructure to figure out how best to team up
and where the challenges are.
They should start a football team again for sure.
While the CEU folks are understandably nervous, they will find the USU folks to
be experienced and conscious of their needs. They will be pleased with where
this merger will bring them.
Does anyone know if this is the kind of thing they were thinking of doing with
the U and Dixie State College? I am from St. George, but I was serving a mission
when that was being talked about. If so, I think it would have been good for
Dixe, just as this will be good for CEU. Instead Dixie is not doing as well as
it could have.
Naming the school Utah State University-College of Eastern Utah is a compromise.
It allows the school use USU's brand, but maintain its tradition and local
identity. The name might be long, but that's what nicknames are for. Don't take
the CEU out of USU-CEU.If you're from Utah and have never heard of
CEU it's because you didn't read the literature your high school counselor gave
you. Don't discount a school because of the size of the town it's located in.I was initially worried about the merger, but it's a sure thing now. The
best that I can do is to hope for success and hope that you would all do the
There is this notion that linking up with USU or the U of U, following the
Missouri or Penn State model will be great. Not! SUU, UVU, Weber, the former
CEU, the former Dixie College, Snow (fading fast), UVU, Weber are Utah's
'teaching' institutions. U of U and USU are income driven research machines.
There is a world of difference. Those of us that have average intelligence and
have been blessed to experience the 'teaching' and 'income driven research
environment' know the difference. It is deep sadness for the bulk of us average
students that I have followed the metamorphosis and eventual demise of the
former CEU. :-( For students that are in the upper 1 1/2 standard deviation of
the intelligence curve, the merger is more of a drag on the meager resources
available for their professors to do research. After all, that is why the U of U
and USU exist. The next step for the former CEU will be the broadcasting of
virtually all lower division courses from Logan. I guess that is consistent and
cohesive with the MTV/I-pod/gizmo generation? Is this truth offensive?
No one can put political white wash on something like higher ed.Within
five years, the name will change, sports in Price will stop and when cuts come
in the future, the 'core' in Logan will be preserved and the 'periphery' in
Price will take the brunt of the cuts.Is there ANY language in the merger
that guarantees otherwise?If there is any thought to have a state-wide
system, it looks like the U and UVU are being beat to the punch. They snooze,
they lose.USU already broadcasts classes all over the state. What will be
new and different in Price?
Are you serious? They don't have a football programs? Oh well, the thought was
good while it lasted. It will just take alittle more time for Anderson to bring
us back.Go Hurd!
Anyone that has experience with the other satellite campuses of USU knows that
CEU will be just fine. USU has been integrating each of the regional locations
under its name over the last several years. In many respects costs have been
streamlined to allow money to be spent better. The best part of this
though is allowing students in the eastern regions of Utah to have access to
four-year programs. Putting education closer is always a good thing for
communities. It also seems USU has been quite aware of the heritage of CEU and
are looking to maintain that. USU-CEU will be a good thing in the long run. As
an Aggie myself I have to say, Pres. Albrecht is truly dedicated to students
If you've been following the story all along, you'll recall that Stan Albrecht
wasn't exactly excited about the merger. He didn't seek it and didn't want it.
That said, I think he'll do a good job pulling it all together.
Any time you merge organizations, costs are incurred -- and what that means is
that costs to integrate accounting, registration, faculty codes, student
processes, counseling, etc. are essentially resources that can't be spent
directly on students, faculty pay, or education programs. I see this whole
venture as yet another distration from the already cash strapped higher ed
system. Even if it costs only a few million dollars to merge the institutions,
that a few million that won't go to scholarships, faculty retention pay or
library resources. The more that is spent on re-programing computers for
aligning student records or re-working lunch menus across campuses, the less
will be spent on essentials.