You correctly stated the winning percentage for the U is 53.8% and for the y the
percentage is 28.9%. Let me point out how remarkable the 53.8% is!!! In a
single elimination tournament one half of the teams winning percentage is
0.0%!!! (Don't you know it cougars!) 25% of the teams winning percentage is
50%. That leaves only 25% of the teams to have a higher percentage than 50%.
Utah's percentage of 53.8% means it averages in the highest 25% or said another
way - in a field of 64 teams Utah has AVERAGED in the "sweet 16"!!!!!!!
living in the past for Utah fans
The future of the Ute program is here! Now!"This is the tournament
of the future. It is going to be a huge tournament. The Gazelle Group, which
runs this tournament, does most of the first-class, big time, in-season
tournaments. To be affiliated with them and be the first school to commit to
them was a huge step in helping us schedule."---Houston Head Coach Tom
Penders, 2008 CBI participantI'm so fetchin' excited to go again
now!!! It's the FUTURE!!!
I disagree. Why?I am President of the University of Utah and BYU, I
am also Defacto President of Yale, Harvard, and Stanford.I am Chief
Justice of the United States Supreme Court, and I also work nights as Prime
Minister of Great Britain.I was lead counsel for Marbury v Madison,
Plessy v Ferguson, and Brown v Board of Education.I have ran all
three professional sports leagues, and I beat Chuck Norris and Mike Ditka in a
cage match.I would love to explain to you why listing your so-called
credentials on a board at the Des News really does not establish your
credibility, but I need to run baptize the Pope, as he will become a Mormon
tonight, and we meet with Joseph Smith tomorrow morning at 8:00 AM.Oh, but I will submit to you that BYU won the National Championship. I'd love
to get your legal opinion on that one.
One thing that I think we can feel pretty comfortable with: The Utes will
either lose to BYU, or Colorado State, or both. They can't win both, since that
would put them 2 games above .500, something they haven't been able to do all
.....and it is so funny how Yewtie fans keep telling BYU fans to quite living in
the past when all the Yewts keep reminding us of their past. For both fans,
again who cares? The past means nothing, it cannot help the future and no matter
what, it won't help me get a victory. Live in the present people, the past does
nothing but allow some fans to just be stupid.....of course maybe they just
don't have anything to do but google who did this, who did that......yawn
@ The pattern is... | 5:39 p.m. March 2, 2010 The pattern is:Utah - 27 total appearances, 35-30 overall record (.538 winning
percentage)BYU - 24 total appearances, 11-27 overall record (.289
winning percentage)This pattern also repeats itself in football post
season play.Keep pounding your chest Cougs.
.....and all the other Yewtes.... We really don't care at this point. The game
means nothing. Why don't you think most of us are just yawning right now. Ok
maybe for pride...well I sure can't find any other reason to get excited about
Utah got EMBARRASSED the last time the Utes went dancing; thankfully for the
Utes, they don't have to worry about being embarrassed very often anymore, since
they're usually watching the tournament from the comfort of their parents' couch
in the basement.2006 no big dance2007 no big dance2008
no big dance2009 EMBARASSED2010 no big dance
Only because you asked who told me about law school... my instructors, my son
(graduating from Virginia School of Law - one of the top 10 law schools in
America), my son-in-law (BYU Law School), my brother-in-law (Utah Law School),
my father-in-law (Yale Law School), not to mention nephews, etc. Did someone
tell you differently?
I never take the time to google them myself...So, in the last five
years, Utah has had doble digits in the loss column, and BYU has had single
digits?BYU has beat Utah 3 out of the last 4 times in
football.And, by law decreed by Uties, BYU fans can never bring up
the Heisman, Doak Walker, Davey O'Brien (who won a Heisman at TCU, the only
other school in the MWC to do so), multiple Outland Trophies (Merlin Olsen
earned one at USU), or the National Championship, or even a John Wooden Award
winner... or anything else from the past, except their two BCS games (which will
mean squat when the BCS folds in the next 5 years or so)...Taking
everything into account, how can a Utah Fan, with an ounce of logic in their
brain, even compare their program to that of BYU?I mean, if BYU was
that pathetic, I would still wear my BYU hat, but I would never get into a
arguement over which school had the better program.No wonder so few
BYU fans jump on to argue like the Ute fan complained earlier...Argue about what???
@ #12 | 4:22 p.m. March 2, 2010 The answer is BYU has never lost to
a #12 seed because they have NEVER BEEN SEEDED high enough to play one (#5).Look at BYU's last 10 years in the Big Dance:2001 - First
round loss2003 - First round loss2004 - First round loss2007 -
First round loss2008 - First round loss2009 - First round lossAre we starting to see a pattern here?
Since 2004-2005BYU has won 41 more games than Utah!andUtah has lost more games in its best year, than BYU has lost in
its worst year!Utah2006 14-152007 11-192008
18-152009 25-102010 14-14Total 82-73 (53%)BYU2006 20-92007 25-92008 27-72009 25-82010 26-4Total 123-37 (77%)
Utes, congrats on your BCS wins and your 2005 season. I agree, you used to be
When was the last time Utah or BYU lost to a #12 seed?Now THAT would
BYU vs UtahBottom line: it doesn't really matter what else is "on
the line"all you need to know is that it'sBYU vs Utah!
@ Dick | 6:51 a.m. March 2, 2010 -You can't remember a game in the
last 10 years that has had less meaning than this one?Let me refresh
your memory.2005 game when Utah (27-5) beat BYU (9-21) 69-60 en
route to a Sweet 16 appearance in the NCAA tournament. Seriously, has BYU ever
been to the Sweet 16? I don't recall if they have.In any case,
tomorrow's game has more meaning for BYU than 2005's game did for Utah.
When did BYU move to the midwest?Also, I still don't get how you can
talk trash. Case in point, even though we beat you head to head in football and
in bball, we can't say anything until we win in March or a 3rd tier bowl game? I
don't get it.
Ooops apologies BYU does not have a 10-20 NCAA record they have an 11-27 NCAA
How's this for perspective.. BYU's SoS is worse than Utah's. BYU's RPI is much
lower than their poll ranking and until BYU actually does ANYTHING of note in
the NCAA they are just an overrated midwest school. Good thing BYU's 10-20
record in the NCAA is so stellar..it's almost as good as your football teams
I'm with you 100% but to argue that your 3rd tier bowl wins makes you guys a
better program or to say that we're not a better program because we can't win
3rd tier bowl games is ridiculous. I'd take conference championships over the
car care bowl championship any day.Also, who told you about law
school?Lastly, how can you guys talk any trash about anything right
now? Football, we beat you. Basketball, that is a swear word on your campus
right now. I don't get it. What ground do you have to stand on in athletics
When BYU beats Utah in football, all the talk is about Max Hall, or Austin
Collie quotes.When BYU beats Utah in basketball, all the talk is
about Utah's punch.Bottom line, if Utah wins, they are the greatest
team in Utah State History (Mike Sorensen football last year). If
BYU wins, Utah will cloud the issue and pretend they still have the Top Team in
the Nation...BYU has owned Utah in Basketball and Football over the
past years, except for very few exceptions, and they still talk like they are
the better team.It would be funny for them to prove it on a
consistent basis, which won't happen. Geeze, Uties, go prove it against SW
Baptist, the Vandals or Seattle, before you step into the ring with a real
team...(BTW, I was not going to post on this at all, because there
is no reason to kick a weak team when they are down, but "Hawk | 8:27 a.m. March
2, 2010" felt the need for some "Big Brother is going to kick your behind again"
talk from his Big Brothers, so there you go, pal...)Yeah, HUGE
1. Typical Utah fan always living in the past2. So just to get it
straight, we can beat you but still not talk trash until we win a bunch of 4th
tier bowl games? Makes sense.3. Also we can only talk trash when we win
college football's bronze medal(Non-championship BCS game), even though we've
won college football's gold? Again, making a ton of sense here.Forget about sports, you guys are incredibly smart!
GREAT COMEBACK!!! In law school they teach, "If you have a case - argue the
case! If you don't have a case - argue that 80% of Utah's bowl opponents were
"there on vacation"!! (To strengthen your case you could point out that 63.5%
of BYU's bowl teams also went "there on vacation"!! Well, one thing we all can
probably agree on is that it IS better to beat a "7-5 team" (or a 6-5 Michigan
team) than to lose to a 7-5 team!!!
I don't know any Cougar fans who think this game is a push over. Jimmer may
play, but probably not at his best. Utah has some good personnel.
Saying BYU doesn't need this game is kinda like saying Utah didn't need their
game last year with SW Baptist. Yeah, they don't really NEED it but to lose it
would be an incredible embarrasment. Hope Utah hurries and gets that invite to
the Pac 10 so the MWC RPI stops suffering.
I'm sorry if nobody ever explained this to you and you can't figure this out,
but teams ALWAYS want as high a seed as possible because it gives that team the
best opportunity to succeed in the tournament (not just in the first round). #1
seeds get the easiest path followed by #2 seeds, etc. Your implication that
wanting a better seeding is some kind of admission to being overrated is
completely absurd. Although, I do know of one #5 seed that lost to a #12 seed
last season. Now that's a team that was clearly overrated.
the Yners need this game badly---can u imagine what would happen if they lose!!
they would drop out of Top 25, and would be a laugh for the Sin City Tourney.Really Zooooobies---if ya'all go beat you would be the laughing stock of
the MWC. buck up there Yners--ya boays could not stand the fire of a lose on
the hill!!!!All your bleepin crying will be heard for miles around if U
Re:stan (again)Remember when we killed you in football last year and
beat alabama in the sugar bowl, that is not a 7 and 5 team if I recall. Trash
talk when you have a consistent bowl winning team, byu loses to the 7 and 5
teams in bowl games by the way (arizona) and when you actually have a bcs game
on your resume, not to mention 2.
It's funny you're so worried about losing to the U because of your NCAA seeding.
If you are one of the top 15 teams in the country, it shouldn't matter what seed
you have. When you're a top 15 team for so long, then it should be pretty easy
to beat the team you face. Is this your claim to being over rated? It wasn't
this Ute fan who said it, but your beloved byU-loving-Dick who said it.
Yes the U is going nowhere from here. That's the point. They can put BYU in a
position to get beat yet again in the first round of the big dance. If we get
beat by the Utes we will get ann 8 or 9 seed. Do you won't that? I don't.
They only way the pathetic Utah basketball team can salvage their season is
being beating us.
on the line is BYU's seeding at the NCAA's and whether uthaha will finish under
.500. The u is going nowhere from here.
Are you kidding me. There is a ton riding on this game. If Utah beats us, we
will get a 8 or 9 seed. Is that what you want?
This game means nothing to the Y? Are you serious? A loss to the U
may not affect their seed in the MWC tourney, but seeding in the NCAAs would
definately be affected. A loss to a .500 team is generally considered a "bad"
loss; nevermind that it's your hated rival.Now, the loss to NM
probably cost them one spot but a loss to Utah would likely cost them at least
two. It's late in the season and seed stocks rise and fall quickly. Whereas they
could be a 5 or 6 seed (whoulda been higher with a win over the Lobos), a loss
to Utah could plummet them to a 7 or 8 if they fail to win the MWC tourney and
considering their Sabbath obligations. BYU's been a 7 before. That usually means
they'll play an underachieving athletic team from a superior conference.Translation...another first round exit. So yes, Y fans, you
need this win more than the Utes. So don't pretend otherwise.But
here's hoping the Utes pull it off.
Plays well when he's healthy, but misses entirely too many games.
To 9:37 am (MT in MD).I clearly said that BYU is "basically" locked
into the #2 MWC slot. Sure, there is a chance BYU can tie for a championship.
But, the chances are remote. Also, even with a co-championship, BYU is the #2
seed.The only way BYU can't be a #2 seed in the tournament is if
they slip to #3. That is pretty remote also.
Why are you quoting Chris Miles? He is byu's 10th best player, and not very
good at all. Could you really not get anyone better to talk to you?
Yawn. Is it tournament time yet? Of course this game is important. Utah needs
this game to have a shot at staying above .500 on the season, BYU needs this
game to remain ranked and for seeding purposes at the NCAAs, and its still the
rivalry game. So it does matter, even if it has no bearing on the Vegas
Invitational seeding. I definitely prefer this game to have the conference
championship, but it's still a high energy game and great preparation for the
Congrats, your bowl wins are awesome, you guys consistently beat 7-5 teams that
are there on vacation. Also, once you guys beat BYU at football, then you can
talk football trash.Guess that just leaves women's gymnastics trash
talk for you buddy. Have at us!
Who is NW? Northwestern? Let me guess, you go or went to Utah?
There really is very little on the line for either team. The fans who I know are
not as jacked as usual. Plus, the outcome is all but certain. Utah, as "scrappy"
as it is, is not as good as BYU.
I love how Dick has just written off the regular season title as impossible.
Unless my math is way off, BYU has three losses with two games to play, and New
Mexico has two losses with one game to play. It's at least mathematically
possible (maybe highly unlikely) for New Mexico to lose to the jabronies they
play this week and for BYU to win out, leaving each team at 13-3 in conference
play, thus sharing the regular season conference title.But Dick is
having none of that. The Cougs have lost any chance at the title according to
him.--MT in MD
Here is one Lobo fan hoping BYU holds serve against Utah. I usually favor Utah,
but in the best interest of the MWC I favor a BYU winning out their regular
season schedule. I have the highest respect for Dave Rose. He is one of the
classy coaches in the NCAA. A BYU loss will only serve to erode their RPI,
national ranking and a favorable seed in the NCAA. To say that nothing is on
the line is plain silly.
In my 10:15 p.m. comment above I did not have the exact numbers for the post
season basketball comparison. But I do have the exact numbers for the same
comparison for football bowl games. Mr. Harmon's quote would read "But if Utah
quit playing in bowl games today and BYU won his next 59 bowl games in a row,
BYU would still be one game behind Utah's career record!!!" (If they were
consecutive years, that would be the year 2068!!!!!!!!!) Mr. Harmon, your
comparison is "right on" in all three evaluations of the two school's athletic
I found myself agreeing with the first paragraph. I think the utes have the
inside track on this game because the rivalry with BYU is more important to the
school up north than a championship and the Cougars were so focused on a 4-peat
that they won't be able to get up for the utes last gasp at respectabilty this
year.But it might be better for BYU really turn it on in a rematch
with New Mexico at the conference tournament, instead of losing energy by
spilling it all over the utes.Please, Dave Rose, don't waste a sick
Jimmer on the utes.
and it's time for MADNESS!! Did the Cougars peak and are now sliding into the
tournament? Have the Utes finally started climbing a peak? The game will be
tight! I hope ALL the fans show class and enjoy the game as an epic battle
between two rivals and don't turn it ugly in any way. Respect the Coaches,
respect the young Players and respect each other so that everyone can enjoy this
game. GO UTES!!!
Hilarious, anonymous. Interestingly, you're right -- Cougar fans aren't really
talking much about this game. Hard to get up for relatively insignificant game
against a .500 opponent who has turned out to be mostly irrelevant this
year....When does the tournament start?
Way to mail it in, Dick!
Keep on living in the glory days of the past. Works for some of the Cougar fans
and I'm sure it will work for you.For tomorrow's game I hope both
teams play as well as they each expect and are capable. That way no one will be
surprised when the Cougars return to Provo with a 27-4 record.
Interesting how very few kewgs are talking about the game tomorrow. Deep down
they know a painful lose is coming to zoobie nation.Kewg is looking
at a 3rd place finish in the MWC.... seem's like it was just yesterday when Kewg
was spouting off on how they would beat NW by 15 and win the MWC.BWAAA HA HA HA HA HA AH AH AAAAAA BWWWAAA HA HA AH!
If rose would win all his games then he would win all his games.we would
be undefeated and win all the games if the refs didn't call us on fouls.
Miles' comment should state that Rose doesn't lose two regular season games in a
row.Every year he's been the head coach, he's ended the season at
least on a two game losing streak. He has always lost the final game BYU has
played in the MWC tournament followed by the opening round loss in the NIT/NCAA.
In reality, there is really not much on the line in this game.BYU is
basically locked in to the #2 seed for the tournament. Utah is the 5/6 seed.
BYU is a lock for the big dance. Utah is locked out (barring a miracle in
LV).I can't think of a Utah/BYU game over the past 10 years that has
meant less than this one.
go back to under .500Go Cougars and Jimmer get well soon.
I guess you got to write something about this game.
Interesting observation, "But if Rose quit coaching today and Boylen won his
next 67 games in a row, Boylen would still be one game behind Rose's career
record as the Cougar coach." Interesting because that is about the same number
of NCAA tournament games the Courgars would have to win in a row to have the
same winning percentage the Utes now enjoy!!!