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Published: Tuesday, March 2 2010 12:00 a.m. MST

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What?

Just what we need in this day and age--less law enforcement.

I know, because of budget cuts let's reduce the number of State Troopers and local sheriffs and deputies.

Then, let's pass a bill which says that trained, certified police officers wqith federal rather than state badges cannot enforce certain laws.

Perfect.

But, it's OK because we have lots of vigilantes with guns running around who can take up the slack.

This is not to mention that Noel's effort is likely unconstitutional, resulting in a huge waste of funds to defend a loser.

Have the people on the hill gone crazy?

Anything that sails...

Anything that sails through the Utah legislature right now has been wrong... partisan politics at its height. Everything I've heard as "complaints" are completely legitimate, especially the power to protect artifacts and natural spiritual treasures which if left to local interests right now would be totally destroyed. Protectionist attitudes by local officials are the only unchecked power that I am concerned about right now, especially if they get their way and destroy the things that matter most to me, which is not whether an "officer" is allowed to write a ticket or to pursue thieves. There may be two perspectives to everything, but they are not all equal and often there is a third perspective: normal people who care about how things work out, not how politically correct they are for Utah political status quo.

Reason

Good bill. Way to go, legislature!

Forest Ranger

The entire Utah Legislature needs to return to school and take Government 101. When it comes to federal laws and jurisdiction, they trump state authority.

Federal law enforcement agencies (USFS, BLM, NPS, FWS, BIA, ATF, FBI, CBP, etc...) all have specific jurisdictional and legal requirements to meet their missions. No hastily devised and politically driven state law is going to change that. In reality, it could dissolve good interagency relationships that are found in most of the state.

The theft of artifacts, as well as the other examples, all point to federal officers properly upholding the laws as they were trained to do, and sworn to protect.

sutahguy

I suggest the forest ranger read the US Constitution and the deliberations of the Founding Fathers in the creating that document. Then read the Sheriff Richard Mack decision in the Brady Bill case....

Michael Reddford

If it was up to the local good ol' boy network, law enforcement would be in name only. Security by Barney Fife. Are the feds hitting a little too close to home for comfort? Something's fishy...

Anonymous

what r u really talkin about can you plz gin=ve an opnion plz k.

Jim Greer

Wow, I thought it couldn't get more bizarre than my own state gov't in Montana, but we can't hold a candle to this. You folks in Utah must be ohhhh so proud. What's next, a state law to bring back slavery?

John Reynolds

Great work !
Great bill !
Stop them before they get any more into our faces.

Anonymous

During most of the 20th Century the Forest, Parks and BLM got along fine with the people of the State. They developed camp grounds and opened up areas so the public could enjoy the land. Years ago when there was a problem regarding Public Lands, the FBI would work with the Sheriff to resolve the issue.

Now we have the FBI, USCIS, DEA, FS, BLM, Parks, ATF, FEMA, FTC and who knows what others that come in wearing protective vests and carrying automatic weapons and tell us how bad we are. It seems that more and more we are loosing our State's Rights. I used to wonder how countries became police states, now I think we are in one.

I applaud what the Legislature is doing.

c

when you call the sheriff in southern utah they will only respond to off road vehicle abuse on private land half have these atv's or just overlook these good old boys and in san juan county there is only one armed enforcement ranger for hundreds of thousands of acres this bill is bull.

C 4:16

Bull. You call a Sheriff in Southern Utah you will obtain the help you need. They are outstanding public servants and elected officials.

wyOmega

Supremacy Clause - US Constitution

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding

Property Clause - US Constitution

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

Allen

The problem I see is jurisdiction. the USFS charter states that USFSE (enforcment officers) are there "To serve people, protect natural resources and property within the authority and jurisdiction of the Forest Service" including:

1. Protect the public, employees, natural resources, and other property under the jurisdiction of the Forest Service,

2. Investigate and enforce applicable laws and regulations which effect the National Forest System, and

3. Prevent criminal violations through informing and educating forest visitors and users of applicable laws and regulations.

I can see how local law enforcment could have ill feelings from USFSE showing up in town with their ticket books and enforcing laws upon citizens who have not visited the forest OUTSIDE the forest.

How would a Utah officer treat a Colorado officer who comes to Utah and starts writing up people?
I'd expect them to send him packing! These feds are being told they are outside their charter and jurisdiction, and being told to pack it up! They patrol federal lands!

I expect this to go exactly as planned. A law prohibiting them from looking into crime unless it has somthing to do with the forest.

Jack

U.S. 89 is a federal highway that runs through Glen Canyon National Recreation Area (Lake Powell) from the state line to Big Water. Rangers are within their jurisdiction there.

Steve Hicks

Since 1991 I have been given bogus tickets three times by Park Service and Forest Service law enforcement. I won the last two cases at considerable time and expense yet nothing seems to slow them down, they act as though they are accountable to no one. Most individuals take the easy way out and pay the tickets, that is a lot of the problem, judges are not seeing enough of these frivioules cases in their courtrooms.

Alex

Sounds to me like the state of Utah has gone completely crazy.

Russell G

I think you all are nuts to complain about the Utah legislature.

Complain about the FEDs and how they treat the 2 parts of the US so differently. Take a look at the amount of land "owned" by the FEDs back east and then look at the amount of land "owned" by them out west.

For many of the western states in the US, there is more Federal land than there is state land. THAT is wrong. So is them enforcing laws on federal land that has nothing to do with that land. Since when does the FS or BLM care about your tail lights? Or whether you are seat-belted or not? NOT their jurisdiction.

Send 'em packing.

Russell

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