I think you all are nuts to complain about the Utah legislature.Complain about the FEDs and how they treat the 2 parts of the US so
differently. Take a look at the amount of land "owned" by the FEDs back east
and then look at the amount of land "owned" by them out west.For
many of the western states in the US, there is more Federal land than there is
state land. THAT is wrong. So is them enforcing laws on federal land that has
nothing to do with that land. Since when does the FS or BLM care about your
tail lights? Or whether you are seat-belted or not? NOT their jurisdiction.Send 'em packing.Russell
Sounds to me like the state of Utah has gone completely crazy.
Since 1991 I have been given bogus tickets three times by Park Service and
Forest Service law enforcement. I won the last two cases at considerable time
and expense yet nothing seems to slow them down, they act as though they are
accountable to no one. Most individuals take the easy way out and pay the
tickets, that is a lot of the problem, judges are not seeing enough of these
frivioules cases in their courtrooms.
U.S. 89 is a federal highway that runs through Glen Canyon National Recreation
Area (Lake Powell) from the state line to Big Water. Rangers are within their
The problem I see is jurisdiction. the USFS charter states that USFSE
(enforcment officers) are there "To serve people, protect natural resources and
property within the authority and jurisdiction of the Forest Service"
including:1. Protect the public, employees, natural resources, and
other property under the jurisdiction of the Forest Service,2.
Investigate and enforce applicable laws and regulations which effect the
National Forest System, and3. Prevent criminal violations through
informing and educating forest visitors and users of applicable laws and
regulations.I can see how local law enforcment could have ill
feelings from USFSE showing up in town with their ticket books and enforcing
laws upon citizens who have not visited the forest OUTSIDE the forest.How would a Utah officer treat a Colorado officer who comes to Utah and starts
writing up people?I'd expect them to send him packing! These feds are
being told they are outside their charter and jurisdiction, and being told to
pack it up! They patrol federal lands!I expect this to go exactly as
planned. A law prohibiting them from looking into crime unless it has somthing
to do with the forest.
Supremacy Clause - US ConstitutionThis Constitution, and the Laws of
the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties
made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be
the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound
thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the contrary
notwithstandingProperty Clause - US ConstitutionThe
Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and
Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United
States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice
any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.
Bull. You call a Sheriff in Southern Utah you will obtain the help you need.
They are outstanding public servants and elected officials.
when you call the sheriff in southern utah they will only respond to off road
vehicle abuse on private land half have these atv's or just overlook these good
old boys and in san juan county there is only one armed enforcement ranger for
hundreds of thousands of acres this bill is bull.
During most of the 20th Century the Forest, Parks and BLM got along fine with
the people of the State. They developed camp grounds and opened up areas so the
public could enjoy the land. Years ago when there was a problem regarding
Public Lands, the FBI would work with the Sheriff to resolve the issue. Now we have the FBI, USCIS, DEA, FS, BLM, Parks, ATF, FEMA, FTC and who
knows what others that come in wearing protective vests and carrying automatic
weapons and tell us how bad we are. It seems that more and more we are loosing
our State's Rights. I used to wonder how countries became police states, now I
think we are in one.I applaud what the Legislature is doing.
Great work !Great bill !Stop them before they get any more into our
Wow, I thought it couldn't get more bizarre than my own state gov't in Montana,
but we can't hold a candle to this. You folks in Utah must be ohhhh so proud.
What's next, a state law to bring back slavery?
what r u really talkin about can you plz gin=ve an opnion plz k.
If it was up to the local good ol' boy network, law enforcement would be in name
only. Security by Barney Fife. Are the feds hitting a little too close to home
for comfort? Something's fishy...
I suggest the forest ranger read the US Constitution and the deliberations of
the Founding Fathers in the creating that document. Then read the Sheriff
Richard Mack decision in the Brady Bill case....
The entire Utah Legislature needs to return to school and take Government 101.
When it comes to federal laws and jurisdiction, they trump state authority.Federal law enforcement agencies (USFS, BLM, NPS, FWS, BIA, ATF, FBI,
CBP, etc...) all have specific jurisdictional and legal requirements to meet
their missions. No hastily devised and politically driven state law is going to
change that. In reality, it could dissolve good interagency relationships that
are found in most of the state.The theft of artifacts, as well as
the other examples, all point to federal officers properly upholding the laws as
they were trained to do, and sworn to protect.
Good bill. Way to go, legislature!
Anything that sails through the Utah legislature right now has been wrong...
partisan politics at its height. Everything I've heard as "complaints" are
completely legitimate, especially the power to protect artifacts and natural
spiritual treasures which if left to local interests right now would be totally
destroyed. Protectionist attitudes by local officials are the only unchecked
power that I am concerned about right now, especially if they get their way and
destroy the things that matter most to me, which is not whether an "officer" is
allowed to write a ticket or to pursue thieves. There may be two perspectives
to everything, but they are not all equal and often there is a third
perspective: normal people who care about how things work out, not how
politically correct they are for Utah political status quo.
Just what we need in this day and age--less law enforcement. I
know, because of budget cuts let's reduce the number of State Troopers and
local sheriffs and deputies.Then, let's pass a bill which says that
trained, certified police officers wqith federal rather than state badges cannot
enforce certain laws. Perfect. But, it's OK because we
have lots of vigilantes with guns running around who can take up the slack.This is not to mention that Noel's effort is likely unconstitutional,
resulting in a huge waste of funds to defend a loser.Have the people
on the hill gone crazy?