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Published: Saturday, Feb. 27 2010 12:00 a.m. MST

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uakicker

Amazing how many comments have been made without obviously having read the text of Elder Oaks' speech. Words are powerful things, and combined with ignorance, can lead to much misunderstanding. Those that are so quick to condemn without taking the time or effort to read the provided text, need to return to watching "SpongeBob Squarepants" for their intellectual enlightenment.

No profound truths will be given without real intent and thoughtful seeking. Complacency is the sedative of the masses.

Awedbygod

This is a really old story. Over 2000 years ago, Seneca said "Religion is true to the common people, false to the wise and useful to rulers". As true today as it was then. It's sad that we fail to change as a species. For all our of apparent technological progress, we still believe in Iron Age myths. There's little hope for our species, we won't survive.

Mike

Well said "Jacob | 5:52 p.m. Feb. 26, 2010"
I agree totally.
I endured the positive and negative side of an education at the UofU, all of the way to an M.D. I was mocked for my beliefs, but the scripture in Jacob brought me peace.
I hear the shrill voices growing louder.

JMHO

Changing scientific views - changing religious views. God only gives us what we can deal with at the time... "Line upon line - precept upon precept" Thus, we have ever changing understanding of what we perceive as "Truth".

Advocate of Both

Universities are not concerned with truth, they are concerned with ideas. Science is not a threat to any who understand that The Creator is the Master of all science; the earth, the universe, and all creation did not come about by magic, or myth; all creation followed laws, even laws we have not yet discovered. Science doesn't prove God isn't, but rather that He is. Religion is to help mankind focus on what is true, while science seeks to discover other truths and God, The Creator, knows all truth. No conflict

Cambridge

In at least one sense, Elder Oaks is wrong: The religion of Anthropogenic Global Warming is not being marginalized by academia. On the contrary, it is the official religion. Academia is once again prepared to send Galileo (those who correctly point out the flaws in the "settled science") to die (professionally) for challenging the dogma.

Cambridge

@Poor Dallin 10:25--Science not only continues to debunk religion, it also consistently debunks other science. I guess that means science must, by your logic, be false. There are even scientists, using nothing but objective fact, who have opposing and incompatible beliefs. Funny.

Indiana

I have a few comments.

First to those who abhor organized Religion: I like it. I think God is the greatest scientist. He organized a world and when the Saviour and Redeemer of the world came, HE organized His church. I love that God is a God of order and organization. Look closely at the world and see what the disorganization of the world has wrought and then see the order of the Lord... there is a stark contrast and I will take the organization and order of God.

Years back, I decided to wanted to 'investigate' the "mormon" church mostly so I could tell them how wrong and stupid they were. After some years of study and investigating, putting aside my arrogance and humbly approaching HIM in prayer, I learned that it is the world and myself having been so badly effected by that world that had kept me from God for a very long time. IT was not him, it was me and my abject arrogance.

I would implore some of you to put aside your worldly arrogance and approach learning with humility and prayer. This from one who did that and therefore knows. Thanks

Cambridge Student

This was not just an address to the LDS students. This was sponsored by a student group at the Law School called the Harvard Law Latter-Day Saints, and was an official Harvard student event event. It was primarily advertised to the law school students, but some students from the business school, the college, the divinity school, and other Harvard departments attended as well. This was not an LDS audience, but there were some LDS in the audience (I think definately less than the majority). The bulk of the questions seemed to come from Harvard Law and Harvard Divinity students, probably because it was a law school event for the first, and because Divinity students spend more time thinking of religious questions.

Jan

It's a ways off of President Oaks' speech, but the separation of religion and politics is exactly the problem in the U.S., especially when it comes to an individual's behavior. I think we should be able to expect that a politician who proclaims to be of a certain religion should behave in accordance with its teachings and conduct himself in the political arena accordingly. Is religious belief just for Sundays?

Brian M

Re: "Preaching to the Choir | 7:43"

Elder Oaks wasn't invited to speak to the entire student body. Therefore, his speaking to the LDS students was a matter of invitation, not courage.

Mal

As someone who was ACTUALLY PRESENT at the event, it was great. Non-members alike enjoyed the opportunity to have a respectful discussion, which many of you clearly are incapable of doing in the comment section.

It's pointless to take his comments in extreme context especially when you were not there. It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree, but please, spare us the diatribe when you weren't even present.

To: Indiana

What phonie baloney our minds do concieve when first we venture to believe what so sadly our frail egos do seem to need.

RE: Indiana

God by definition or "Perfect being Theology".

A thoroughly benevolent conscious agent with unlimited knowledge and power who is the necessarily existsent,ontologically independent creative source of all else.

There is nothing

more temporary and unstable as scientific "fact". I am always amused when scientists reveal that what was previously a "known fact" has been replaced by new evidence and understanding. We keep trying, however, but we should never bet the farm on what is currently believed to be scientific fact.

Tekakaromatagi

One purpose of universities is to expose their students to a diverse range of viewpoints and cultures. By doing this the students will be better prepared to succeed in a diverse world.

When a university professor marginalizes or even mocksm, s/he is sending a powerful message that only certain viewpoints are acceptable. It lessens the appreciation for diversity. That is a great loss for the students.

Tekakaromatagi

Piggy

It's the same story from the inquisition to Pol Pot. The intellectuals have betrayed us, the educated are destroying us; it's up to the simple folk, the humble believers to fight back. You can probably guess what happens next.

personally

I don't believe in organized science.

@Mark

All I can say to all you people that reject Christianity is that you are in for a terrible surprise when you leave this earthly state. As for the founding of Collages by Christian sects even the University of Southern California was founded by Methodists.

I live in near Harvard...

...and the sad thing is...from the pictures...it appears that far too many in the audience are members of the church. ---Especially on the first few rows. I look at the pictures and recognize almost everyone I know from church.

It's so sad that we "invite" others to learn about our religion and then take up all the seats for ourselves. We love to pat ourselves on the back, when really too small a portion of the audience is not LDS....and those who come are pushed to the back rows. I would love to see members of the church take up the back rows for once at an event like this...and actually get an audience that is not LDS.


SO SAD!!!! We NEED to stop patting ourselves on the back.

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