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Published: Saturday, Feb. 27 2010 12:00 a.m. MST

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wrz

The evidence of the validity of religion and religious tenets is not supported by verifiable evidence. Therefore, religion can only survive, and has only survived through the ages, through the means of constant and continuous preachments to adherents. Both God and Christ consistently refuse to show their faces. Why??? Why not get with it, God, and remove all questioning about your existence and the validity of your gospel?

Today people need physical evidence to continue to believe in what could be classified as almost ethereal concepts. So they drift away from religion.

Realistically speaking...

When it comes right down to it..you either believe in God or you don't. Religion is man-made. God is not. Man is not flawless. God is. Science is not flawless. It morphs over time as man uncovers the mysteries that God created. Exposing oneself to the ideas of others allows for growth on a personal and a global scale.

Anonymous

@7:43...can you imagine the Q&A with anything other than an all Mormon audience? I laugh just thinking about it!

RE: Colleges

Some have roots in Chritianity; Notre Dame (Grand Lady) ST. Mary(theotokos) Mother of God.
Princeton; The early President was the Calvinist Johnathan Edwards,leader of the Great Awakening and probaly the greatest American Theologin.

Anonymous

I have taken classes...some professors do not have an agenda and they teach the subject at hand. Some definitely have an agenda and they talk about it profusely.

Anonymous

Cracks me up that you can believe religion is man made and state with certainty that God is real. Religion is obviously made by man and you are intellectually dishonest claiming anything other than agnosticsism on the question of God. Even if one were to have an objective mystical experience (100% agree happens..you can even induce it) one must concede that the objective personal experience is entirely subjective to anyone else...quite the metaphysical quanundrum....which leads to agnosticism.

Anonymous

"The early President was the Calvinist Johnathan Edwards,leader of the Great Awakening and probaly the greatest American Theologin."

Can you hear the collective gasp of offended shock in Mormonville?

Boston bureau?

Is Jamshid Askar your Cambridge, Mass., correspondent? Was he really there covering this event for the paper? Wow, the lengths you'll go.

All Knowing

["In addition to talking about how higher education is destroying faith..."]

According to Oaks' faith, "the glory of God is intelligence." How can he then condemn higher education?

look at me!!

look at meeeee!!! i use big words and think i'm so much better than all those idiots who believe in religion. i'm sooo much better than they are. poor deluded suckers. if only they had the grasp on reality that i do, they'd be so much less happy. tearing down is sooo fun!!! :) i haven't had a novel thought, enlightened experience, or a parent love me in 20 years! give it up all you people who think you know, cause guess what, you don't! unless you use big words... then you know everything. then you can point out the follies of men with impunity and scoff at their nothingness... it makes me feel so good to scoff at mormons. wish i could do it more often...

Dave M

Some commentators indicate that professors have no agenda other than communicating the facts of their subject matter. In my own college experience, this was often, but not always the case. Unfortunately, there were professors who had an agenda that included convincing students of the error of their opinions either political or religious (when those opinions had little if anything to do with the subject matter). My only consolation was that those professors were generally not highly regarded.

Henry Drummond

I just got through reading the actual text of Elder Oak's speech. I really think this article does a poor job of characterizing the spirit of his remarks.

What he says here is that Mormons believe in using science, canonized scripture, and personal revelation to make decisions and as sources of truth. Other religions would discount "personal revelation" and use only the Bible, while academicians would rely solely on science. I didn't see this as some sort of harangue against higher education (or other religions for that matter) but rather an explanation of Mormon beliefs.

I'm not Mormon but I think what he says here is a valuable exposition of the Mormon faith and would like to hear more from him on the topic, especially how Mormons integrate these three sometimes conflicting world views.

Anonymous

The title of the article was misleading. Why didn't it indicate that Dallin Oaks spoke to the Harvard Law School LDSSA at the beginning. It was impressive to feel that Dallin Oaks was so respected that the law school would invite him to address the studentbody. To be invited to address the LDSSA is quite another matter. Sometimes we're not given all the facts upfront.

Anonymous

I graduated from BYU and the religion requirement was the biggest waste of time of the whole 4 years.

Anonymous

@8:36
Are you implying that if you leave your religion your parents wont love you? Hmmmn.

Olin

No long term good has ever come from organized religion.

Anonymous

How many mormons can there be at Harvard? Think the School was picked because of a high profile? Hmmm, I certainly don't think so---it is all about appearance in this little broken mormon culture.

Anonymous

Is it just me or does Mormonville seem especially desparate lately?

Robin Hoob

Elder Oaks is exactly right. Religion will continue to be marginalized and become more persecuted. That's unfortunate 'cause I love my Mormon religion. I find it remarkable that so many love to make fun of my faith. But, hey, life is tough. Have a nice day everyone.

wer

To anonymous 9:13:

It's just you.

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