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Published: Saturday, Feb. 27 2010 12:00 a.m. MST

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Re The academy should seek truth

I agree with seeking out truth as the purpose of higher education. Truth of any kind is just that. However, "free to pursue any and all types of academic thought at BYU" is an oxymoron. I went to a bioethics class at the Y. The topic was abortion, and every student give or take quoted the same scriptures and gave the same the argument. What would have happened if I would have said I agree with abortion? They would have kicked me out.


Old cuss, it is impossible to destroy anothers faith. Flat out impossible.

To 6:14 and :22

1) No, BYU does not have a Book of Mormon archaeology department. If you're trying to find a way to accuse BYU of being less than a legitimate academic institution, I guess you'll have to find some other accusation.

2) You apparently doubt that the earlier commentator attended any prestigious institutions. Apparently you believe that people who attend BYU don't attend universities like Harvard. I guarantee you that quite a few of the Harvard Law students attending Elder Oaks' lecture are BYU grads.

P.S. The period goes inside the quotation marks.

History check

To 5:46: I agree with your points, but would like to point out that the genocides of the 20th century (e.g., Stalin's planned famines, a little thing called the Holocaust, etc.) had nothing to do with religion.

To 6:36: You most definitely can destroy another's faith--if not that of an individual, you can destroy the faith of a nation. How many Mexicans practice Catholicism, as opposed to the Aztec religion? Why do you think that is?


Go Oaks!


Always here that "small stipend" thing. I would imagine educated people would wand to be able to talk using factual information. Why on earth is there no factual information on the topic of LDS stipends?


"Some wonder how members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints accept a modern prophet's teachings to guide their personal lives, something that is unusual in most religious traditions," he said. "Our answer to the charge that Latter-day Saints follow their leaders out of 'blind obedience' is this same personal revelation. We respect our leaders and presume inspiration in their leadership of the church and in their teachings. But we are all privileged and encouraged to confirm their teachings by prayerfully seeking and receiving revelatory confirmation directly from God."

Elder Oaks thoughts clarify and define the LDS view towards the secular epithet 'blind obedience'.

If I am ever accused of 'blind obedience' toward the Prophet, General Authorities, Stake Leadership or Ward leadership, I hope I stand convicted.

RE old Cuss

"We seek to be like God" True, because God became a Man(John 1:1,14)not man becomes God.


Science is not out to prove or disprove religion. Science does not need religion and religion should play no role in science.

On the other hand, some in religion try to bend science to substantiate or authenticate religion.

Basically, some in religion try to step on the toes of science but science doesn't even acknowledge religions presence in the room.

And that is the way it should be.


6:41, you know what they say about assumptions. I said nothing about BYU not being a legitimate educational institution, you appear to be projecting. Strange though don't you think? BYU should be leading the world in that area of archaeology.


"You most definitely can destroy another's faith--if not that of an individual, you can destroy the faith of a nation."

I stand by my claim that it is impossible to destroy anothers faith. Sure, you can kill them, but they have to decide for themselves whether or not to believe something.


College's main purpose was not to educate ministers.
That was just one subject even when Cambridge, Harvard, William and Mary, Notre Dame were founded. They educated teachers, lawyers, doctors, biologists, architects, musicians, artists, chemists, physists, archeologists, etc.
YOUR theology is no more important in college's curriculum than the Hippocratic oath...which was dedicated to the Greek GOD Apollo, who gave medicine to man.

Re: old_cuss_101

Thank you for your thoughts.


@Why is religion marginalized.
Get your facts correct, science is indistubtably in agreement climate change is happening, and man has caused it through greenhouse gases.
Gallielo was NOT burnt at the stake, he was tortured by the Catholic church until he recanted.


One of the great minds in the field of science once stated "Is there any conflict between science and religion? There is no conflict in the mind of God, but often there is conflict in the minds of men." This is a quote by Henry Eyring, father of President Eyring. For those unfamiliar with Eyring, take a quick look at Wikipedia. He was one who also came to learn that the divide between science and religion was bridgeable.


Another idiotic comment from Anonymouse ! Does he/she have a brain inside that skull ?


College is meant to expose students to new ideas and many times different kinds of people they never knew before, college should also challenge students to question preconcieved notions they held in their youth, which may be liberal or conservative, may be religious or secular...all should be questioned, to see if it still feels true to the student, after the questioning.
No one's faith is stripped from anyone against their will, people may let go of it, but that's THEIR decision.
Mormons don't like QUESTIONING, they like unquestioned subservient obedience to your quorum.


For those seeking a degree in religion or having interest, Universities offer classes and degrees. I don't see where Mr. Oaks is coming from on this one. If I seek a English degree, I should for some reason be taking religious classes in bulk? That makes no more sense than me taking math, biology, or any other classes not applicable to my degree. If I were taking genetics, I suppose that I'd be interested in Mormon theology sinse there are claims that the Indians are the lost tribes if I recall. However, research showed no genetic link. Ummm... This makes no sense.

Student Counsel

As Bishop I used to send my members off to college with a copy of "What Every Freshman Should Know" by President Packer.
They weren't ready to debate philosophy, but they needed to know the basic threat they faced.

Preaching to the Choir

I was somewhat impressed that he would have the nerve to try preaching to the Harvard students. I was much less impressed when I read that he only spoke to the Mormon students at Harvard. Isn't that akin to preaching to the choir? Didn't he have the courage to speak to the whole student body?

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