Published: Saturday, Feb. 27 2010 1:06 p.m. MST
all I know is - college (excluding BYU of course)tends to make people less
religious, since religious dogma cannot stand the light of knowledge. if the bible or BoM says you should not drink coffee, but science class and
health studies tells you it is ok in moderation, students rightfully question
why they aren't supposed to drink it. If the answer is "God is against it" then
that makes no sense, and they can see right through it. (especially when God
couldn't care less about coffee....) So it leads to questions about anything
religion says where the act doesn't have any impact and is simply written in
some old book.they also begin to understand that these old books are
not history books, and that the stories are simply analogies.
I must admit that if I were to judge these posts I would have to quote Billy
Madison, "We are all dumber for having read this. You receive no points and may
God have mercy on your collective souls."This has been nothing more
than name calling and backbiting from both ends of the political spectrum. Does
it really matter what happens to one if they come out as college a "liberal" or
"conservative". Right now I propose something new and thus becoming a liberal
and making many of you all conservatives. Let me propose that our current
parties are absolutely broken and torn apart by the wings of the parties. I
therefore propose a new part even a party that's main underlying tenant is that
a good idea is a good idea no matter what the source. The party will be based
upon moderate middle of the road planks and holding to the truths reserved
within the constitution. Such as freedom of and from religion. The right to bear
arms with certain restrictions. Freedom of speech with certain restrictions. To
name a few.
I find in my discussions with most liberals, that they argue from their
emotional ideal center. That's fine, but conservative thought takes a more
rational view of how to solve problems. Conservatives build fences at the top of
the cliff. Liberal progressives send ambulances to the bottom.Education leads to knowledge, but it doesn't always lead to wisdom.
the SlavesSocialism - United OrderWomen’s Rights (prior to
Women’s Suffrage)Universal Welfare ProgramsNon-traditional
MarriagesFree SpeechFree Religion (who, where, what they may)Sustaining VoteExtremely Progressive Immigration policiesLiberal concepts then -- Liberal concepts now.~Peace
Thomas S. Monson - 3 Hon. Doctorates, MBA, and B.S.Henry B. Eyring -
Professor, Doctorate, MBA, B.S.Dieter F. Uchtdorf - Hon. Doctorate, MBA,
BABoyd K. Packard - Ed.D., M.S. and B.S.Richard G. Scott -
Doctorate Nuclear Eng., B.S. Mech. Eng.Dalin H. Oaks - Doctorate, M.S,
B.A.Russell M. Nelson - M.D., Ph.D., B.A.Jeffrey R. Holland - Ph.D.,
M.A., B.A.Some are Conservative,Some are
Liberal.Some are Democrats,Some are Republicans.Some are Americans,Some are from Socialist countries.The
point is, an education is of the utmost importance.The Prophet
Joseph Smith taught, that a man can not be saved in ignorance.The Glory of God IS intelligence.
Hey, I agree with the labels poster. For example, I lean liberal, but I by no
means support abortion as a form of birth control. So what am I, a LINO... or
a RINO.... or, well, not sure what I am supposed to be. So I am independent.
Those who think people who are liberal or conservative all fit into
these nicely defined boxes really underestimate those around them. And that
shows a lot of arrogance on both sides.
It is true that the trend is that the more educated a person becomes, the less
religious he becomes. However, the LDS church is an exception to that trend;
studies show the exact opposite for LDS members (they become more religious with
more education, and the more religious they are, the more educated they get).It is also interesting to note that most Mormons are conservative (look
at Gallop poll). Coincidence? I think not.To True Mormons are
Liberals: Political issues in 1844 are very different from politics today.
There isn't enough space to cover all of them, so I'll discuss just a few
points:Socialism vs United Order-- really? United Order is 100%
voluntary (it only works that way anyway), not forced upon people like Socialism
is.Women's Rights-- you realize the church opposed the Equal Rights
Amendment? Yeah, that idea has changed. A lot.Welfare-- the
church's welfare differs quite a bit from the liberals' welfare.Marriage-- Mormons support TRADITIONAL marriage.Free Speech--
yeah, Bush was very evil, trying to shut down all those talk shows (sarcasm
implied).Religion-- liberals want NO religion, not free religion.Need I go on?
The college experience today differs greatly from yesteryear.Today's
University's are nothing more than a communist re-education camp.They now
specialize in revisionist history and spew propaganda into the kids minds as
fast as they can.
Winston Churchill said that if you are not a socialist at 20 your have no heart.
If you are a socialist at 30 your have no head.
Is that so?...How then do you explain those "Liberal" students
standing up to the consevative Communists in Tiananmen Square?
Does college make you liberal? Not if you go to BYU!My choice to
become liberal came after years of living in the trenches of northern orange
county CA. Seeing the good, poor people struggling for a break made me realize
that, just because the system gets abused, does not mean the system is bad.Blame the abuser, not the system. And I've seen way more abuse in UT
than anywhere else.
No, college makes you smarter. Republicans and conservatives tend to
use tactics like propaganda (ie Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Bill O'riley, etc)
instead of calm rational arguments. People who are educated tend to relate more
to science and logic more than loud fiery propagandistic arguments. If conservatives want to relate more to to educated people they should try not
getting angry and loud about everything and instead try making arguments that
would hold water on a piece of paper.
We need a balance between conservative and liberal. I don't know if that's
possible, but it would be preferred. We are becoming more and more liberal and
what has that done for us? Our best days are behind us. Now we just have to
learn to survive. Each person has his own way. As for my household, we will
serve the Lord.
Why don't Conservatives worry more about their children ending up EDUCATED after
college, rather than if they are moderate, liberal, or conservative.It's
ONLY conservative folks who worry about what political views younger people have
in college, I've NEVER read of a moderate or liberal group wonder what political
leanings a college may foster...NEVER.
"I've NEVER read of a moderate or liberal group wonder what political leanings a
college may foster...NEVER."Of course they don't wonder or worry,
because they know that their college kids are being brainwashed with
liberalism.Utah is a different case (thank goodness for that), and
although I have never grown up outside Utah, I served a mission in liberal
Chicago and have had companions who have grown up outside Utah. They do
brainwash! Starting from elementary the teachers pound liberal political ideas.
Here in Utah, very rarely have I had a teacher talk politics (only 3 have, and
2 were liberal).I've seen the way liberal societies work and the way
conservative societies work, and by far the latter produces a much better
community and environment. The LDS church plays a large part in our
environment, whether you like it or not, and the church's ideas are more
conservative than liberal. Utah is a state I can be proud of because of its
@Re:MarkUnfortunately the censors here won't let my response be
published, but there are schools/academies in Utah, that might make you less
than proud. As someone with half my family from Utah, they certainly made me
less proud of Utah.
"all I know is - college (excluding BYU of course)tends to make people less
religious, since religious dogma cannot stand the light of knowledge"You keep telling a lie long enough and it just might take hold. What
religious dogma has not been able to stand the light of knowledge? There must
be a better example than the one you gave of coffee. For the record, there has
yet to be a study that confirmed coffee to be "good" for you in any amount. At
best, in small amounts (and most people cannot limit themselves to small
amounts), it is not harmful. That's not the same as "good for you."But that's a very, very minor point. What other examples of knowledge
trumping religious dogma can you provide?
@realitycheckknowledge trumping religious dogmaJonah living in
the belly of a fishMethuselah being 900 yrs oldThe lyric "it
ain't necessarily so" should be paying in your head
"What other examples of knowledge trumping religious dogma can you provide?"How about all of human history in terms of science and philosophy.
Religious dogma, by definition, is not proven. Knowledge is actually proven.
It was gained and was supported through science, not religion.
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