Brad Rock: When BYU was closer to joining the Pac-10


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  • @ 7:36
    March 3, 2010 9:12 a.m.

    That Prestige List compile by ESPN was only tabulated through 1998...or in other words, the non-BCS-era, also known as ancient history.

    In the BCS-era:

    The winningest non-AQ program is Boise State.

    The program with the most wins vs. AQ schools is Utah.

    The highest ranked non-AQ team in the BCS era was the 2008 Utes.

    The most number of BCS Bowl appearances is tied between Utah and Boise State at 2 apiece.

    The most number of BCS Bowl wins is tied between Utah and Boise State at 2 apiece.

    The most preseason national championships is ybU [13 including this year].


    I think that pretty much sums up who is obviously the top non-BCS program. Utah edges Boise State, and is followed by TCU.

    But way to go with all those preseason national championships.

    Go zoobs.

  • college football fan
    March 2, 2010 11:10 p.m.

    As a college football fan, I would like to see Utah go to the pac 10 and Byu go to the big 12! Can you image a fall saturady when utah host Usc, and byu host a texas on the same weekend!!!

  • Re: Ridiculous........
    March 1, 2010 7:36 p.m.

    It's funny that you stop with top 10 finishes, because when you go deeper, you realize that the two are NOT equal. How many 10+ win seasons does Utah have? (Hint: I can count it on one hand) How about BYU? BYU has had as many 10+ seasons just this last decade (Utah's best decade EVER) than Utah has in all its history, the full 100+ years! Sure looks even, doesn't it?

    "Utah is considered the best non-BCS football program in the country followed by Boise State and TCU."

    Sure..... according to you and your Ute friends. But by the rest of the nation, BYU is considered the best non-BCS program. Want evidence? Look at ESPN's ranking of Prestigious Football programs. Look it up, if you dare to face the truth!

  • Re: Ridiculous........ | 7:54 p
    Feb. 27, 2010 9:50 p.m.

    “BYU has 4 top 10”

    Actually, ybU had only 3 Top-10 teams. 1983 [#7], 1984 [#1 (sic)*], and 1996 [#5].

    But you were right about Utah having had 3 Top-10 teams.

  • TrueRed
    Feb. 27, 2010 4:27 p.m.

    Pac-10 plays on sunday in basketball-----so forget about it!!!!

  • Funny
    Feb. 27, 2010 3:30 p.m.

    1.) Um..nothing has happened! Until it does, this is a non-issue.
    2.) BYU is not in the discussion (if you listen to any trusted news source outside the state of Utah); Utah is but then I direct you back to point #1.

    As long as you Y fans keep lapping this up, the DesNews will keep beating you to death with this. It's comical to read these comments. Let me sum up:
    1.) Utah would be better served staying as one of the best teams in the MWC
    2.) The MWC is already better that the PAC10
    3.) BYU is too good for the MWC and the obvious choice for the PAC10
    4.) Utah would be slaughtered in the PAC10

    The fact of the matter is Utah already as shown it can compete well with the PAC10 in football with a relatively small budget. With better recruiting and better revenue streams thereby higher budgets... who knows! But Chris Hill wrapped it up, "ANYONE in the MWC would go if asked".

  • Re: Top 25
    Feb. 27, 2010 11:42 a.m.

    I agree with the post written by "Ridiculous..." posted at 7:54 p.m. on Feb. 26 above. All of the anti-Ute, pro-BYU posters always seem to degenerate into "Well, everyone knows about BYU, and no one knows about the U." Come on, you have to use facts to support your opinions and biases.

    After you challenged the post written by "Many bitter BYU fans..." you had the opportunity to refute his statement. Instead, you asked open-ended questions that were easily shot down by the "Ridiculous..." post.

    Gotta do better than that.

  • wet
    Feb. 27, 2010 7:49 a.m.

    All these comments; 'much ado about nothing'.

    The PAC 10, IF they decide to expand will be looking to the state of Texas.

  • day of rest?
    Feb. 27, 2010 3:56 a.m.

    Why are the coaches show on Sunday, since KSL is owned by the LDS church? Someone has to be working on Sunday in order to broadcast the coaches show. I don't quite get the distinction between not playing on Sunday but broadcasting on Sunday.

  • Ridiculous........
    Feb. 26, 2010 7:54 p.m.

    Hey "Top 25", NINE byu teams finished unranked after bowl games (six losses and three wins). Six for Utah. Do your homework before making a fool of yourself.

    Utah has 2 top 5 final poll rankings in football
    BYU has 2 top 5 final poll rankings in football
    Utah has 3 top 10
    BYU has 4 top 10
    Utah has 2 BCS wins, BYU has 1 NC
    Can you say EVEN?

    Basketball... DOMINATED by Utah

    Utah 5 top 5 final poll rankings
    Utah 9 top 10 final poll rankings
    Utah has 1 NC, Final Four - 4 times

    Little Brother lives in the Provo bubble! Utah is the respected football and basketball team around the nation. This is the 21st century where Utah has played in and won two BCS bowl games. Utah is ranked the 12th best basketball program of all time. Utah is considered the best non-BCS football program in the country followed by Boise State and TCU.

  • uncle george
    Feb. 26, 2010 6:48 p.m.

    all this talk about utah & pac 10 being superior because they are research universities is just crap. yes they are members of AAU. This is nothing more than a lobbying organization for universities to secure monies from the federal government. If academic excellence is determined by any other standard than membership in AAU, then byu stands on equal ground or better than most pac 10 schools and certainly the commuter school in SLC.

  • Top 25
    Feb. 26, 2010 6:23 p.m.

    "Unless I'm mistaken, the U of U is 12-3 in bowl games, including a nation-leading 9-game winning streak as opposed to BYU's 10-17-1 record. "

    How many of Utah's bowl teams were good enough to finish the season ranked, even with a bowl win?

    How many of BYU's bowl teams were still good enough to finish the season ranked, even with a bowl loss?

    That, my clueless little U brothers, is the reason why BYU football has respect around the country, and why very few fans know anything about Utah football.

  • re: the two teams will be | 1:03
    Feb. 26, 2010 6:20 p.m.

    Hmmmm...I think you could be onto something there, buddy. Neither BYU nor Utah may have as good a chance as their fans think they do...

  • re: which is worse
    Feb. 26, 2010 6:07 p.m.

    answer: ute fans

  • re: Being an NFL player | 3:47
    Feb. 26, 2010 4:34 p.m.

    You talked about firemen not having an option of which profession to choose because they're uneducated and have no choice (hmmm), but what about

    emergency room technicians
    lawyers (yeah, people get arrested on Sunday)
    nuclear scientists (who run nuclear power plants)
    military officers
    broadcast journalists
    airline pilot

    the list goes on and on of very highly educated, very highly skilled people who are in a profession that requires work on Sundays

    choosing to be a professional athlete is no different than choosing to be a professional in any other field that requires Sunday work

    so please don't ever

    --have a heart attack
    --turn on your lights
    --heat your home
    --take a shower
    --live in freedom
    --listen to the radio
    --watch television
    --surf the internet
    --take a flight
    --stay in a hotel

    because you're forcing someone, somewhere to work on the Sabbath because of the profession they chose

  • NC as in no chance
    Feb. 26, 2010 4:21 p.m.

    "if Utah would have won all their games by at least 6 touchdowns, then they might have been playing for the national championship..."

    sorry, it wouldn't have mattered what Utah did last season, the Utes didn't have the schedule to pass Texas or Alabama for the BCS title game

  • re: If Sunday is a day of rest
    Feb. 26, 2010 4:13 p.m.

    Oh gee I don't know wow let's see, why are the Y's coaches shows on Sundays???? Could it possibly be because they are KSL's coaches shows and produced and broadcast by them and not by BYU? Huh? Do ya think maybe that's it? And interacting with news people and giving interviews is part of Bronco's job? And they want to do the news story as part of their Sunday night sports special each week? Just maybe?? And the KSL people work on Sundays doing the news and many of them are Mormons, gee I don't know, go ask Carol Mikita why she's working on Sunday. And why is the sky blue? And why do we park on driveways and drive on parkways? Geez, grow a brain, ok?

  • BYU fans/Utah mormons
    Feb. 26, 2010 3:51 p.m.

    = Perception problem

  • which is worse
    Feb. 26, 2010 3:50 p.m.

    anti LDS/BYU fans or arrogant/hypocrite BYU fans

  • Being an NFL player
    Feb. 26, 2010 3:47 p.m.

    Being an NFL player or a fireman is no different? HUH? Let's see! The NFL guy graduated and has a degree, and chose to play on sunday. The fireman probably didn't have a ton of options and has to work on sundays. Slice anyway you want, I think it's odd that all you BYU guys talk about being invited to the PAC 10 and you defend the reason why you should be there. The sunday rule is huge and yet many former LDS athletes "CHOOSE" to play on sundays knowing that, Isn't the school owned by the church. So now it's okay? Oh he's a NFL player not only is it ok now we will applaude him. Steve young is an impostr and a prop 8 YESMAN. Go look it up.

  • IF
    Feb. 26, 2010 3:46 p.m.

    "Why are the Y's coaches shows on a Sunday?"

    Since you're not even sure it's a day of rest,

    Why do you care?

  • Many bitter BYU fans here
    Feb. 26, 2010 3:42 p.m.

    As I've read the comments by such posters as "O.C.ron", "Eddie", and "Cat", it leaves me to wonder: Why all of the animosity towards the U? All of these comments like "Utah will...stink otherwise," "Let the Utes go to the PAC 10 and be doormats," and "classless Kyle" all point to one thing: SOUR GRAPES.

    Unless I'm mistaken, the U of U is 12-3 in bowl games, including a nation-leading 9-game winning streak as opposed to BYU's 10-17-1 record. The U has 2 BCS appearances and victories compared to BYU's 0. And bringing up BYU's "championship" against a 6-5 Michigan team in a minor bowl 26 years ago doesn't strengthen your case. If we're going back 26, years, let's go back all the way to the entire history of the rivalry: Utah 53 BYU 34.

    In basketball it is similar. Utah has 2 national championship appearances, and one championship, along with numerous Sweet Sixteen appearances. BYU has exactly one appearance to the Sweet 16, and has been eliminated in the 1st round 8 straight years!

    BYU has no room to talk.

  • Cougarf@n
    Feb. 26, 2010 3:40 p.m.

    I have to agree with "UofU Religous Affiliation," the PAC-10 is much more concerned with BYU because it represents the LDS faith, they don't care how many mormons actually go to either the U or the Y. As I said before, it's about ideology and Utah does a pretty good job of faking it when it comes to being liberal so apparently the PAC-10 presidents would be happy to take Utah. It would be sad to see Utah go unless BYU managed to fill a spot in the BIG-12, but it wouldn't be the end of the world for BYU.

  • I Johnson
    Feb. 26, 2010 3:35 p.m.

    What does not having a research arm have to do with athletics! Last time I checked you play other teams because its a good athletic matchup not because we both search for the cure to cancer. Lets face the facts. The real reason for exclusion is BYU does not practice the same "freedom of thought" that Cal-Berkley and Stanford do. PAC 10 listen up I CHOOSE to follow the precepts of my religion just like you CHOOSE to follow the precepts of hollywood and George Soros. IJ

  • 4th and 18
    Feb. 26, 2010 3:33 p.m.

    Bronco's coaches show is recorded on Saturday after they play their game.

  • If Sunday is a day of rest...
    Feb. 26, 2010 3:00 p.m.

    Why are the Y's coaches shows on a Sunday?

  • Cat
    Feb. 26, 2010 2:29 p.m.

    Utah a leading research institution??? How did the artificial heart thingy turn out, not to mention cold fusion. Being a leading research institution should include creditability ya think?

    Utah winning two BCS bowls??? Utah beat an uninterested Alabama team who should have been playing for the NC. Ask Barry Switzer, the same pundit who placed BYU's national championship in question, only this time Barry went so far as to say that there were no players on Utah's team who could compete and hold a starting position on Alabama! You guys take your research, BCS BS and classless Kyle and go. You will be joining a conference that is going down hill faster than you can climb. The real problem with the PAC is that California is in such terrible financial trouble that funding higher education is not going to be possible, and that means that Cal and UCLA are about to become anchors that the rest of the conference can't float!

  • Real Tools
    Feb. 26, 2010 2:15 p.m.

    What a bunch of buffoons posting ignorant comments on here. Good job Rock. Pen a couple of speculative paragraphs about a topic nobody can tell you anything official about and watch the lunatics go loose on the comment boards. Mission accomplished Rock. You must go home at night thoroughly satisfied at the job you do each day.

    And I thought you was a terrible sports writer. Guess the laugh is on me.

  • re: been there, done that
    Feb. 26, 2010 2:12 p.m.

    Yes, and if Utah would have won all their games by at least 6 touchdowns, then they might have been playing for the national championship. Woulda' shoulda' coulda'... it's great to be a BYU fan.

  • Nathaniel
    Feb. 26, 2010 2:12 p.m.

    @ been there, done that
    "Without the stumbles against Florida State and TCU, BYU most likely would have been playing Alabama in the 2009 BCS championship game (in the Rose Bowl) instead of Texas."

    Without the assassin shooting him during Act III, Abraham Lincoln most likely would have really enjoyed "Our American Cousin."

  • ???
    Feb. 26, 2010 2:11 p.m.

    "BYU would not fit culturally into the PAC-10."

    So much for embracing diversity.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 26, 2010 2:10 p.m.

    "Without the stumbles against Florida State and TCU, BYU most likely would have been playing Alabama in the 2009 BCS championship game (in the Rose Bowl) instead of Texas"

    And the beat goes on...

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 26, 2010 2:04 p.m.

    "But its BYU's decision. You play for BYU, you abide by their rules or, as happens occasionaly, you can play somewhere else."

    But why would BYU want to restrict its students if as you say it’s an “individual” decision as mandated by the Church of Christ and Latter Day Saints. Does BYU have veto power over the “individual” clause? Do they hold more control than what their religion expects? Again, just how hypocritical must you be to not allow students to play on Sunday but congratulate them when they become professional athletes who play on Sunday?
    I say all this because BYU is staring a gift horse in the mouth. The Pac 10 would accommodate BYU if they simple eased up on some of these ridiculously rules. But of course, BYU would never back down and continue to play up the victim card.

  • been there, done that
    Feb. 26, 2010 1:57 p.m.

    "Reach for the stars!"

    and plan on doing it again


    If you don't recall, several NATIONAL sportswriters actually wrote about the possibility of BYU running the table and playing for the National Championship in Rose Bowl after BYU opened the 2009 season with a win against #3 Oklahoma.

    Despite what jealous little Utah fans want to believe, the scenario of BYU actually playing in the Rose Bowl for the National Championship is not that far-fetched.

    Without the stumbles against Florida State and TCU, BYU most likely would have been playing Alabama in the 2009 BCS championship game (in the Rose Bowl) instead of Texas.

  • RE:Anonymous | 1:34 p.m. Feb. 26
    Feb. 26, 2010 1:55 p.m.

    What's a kitty kate??? If you had said a "Ewe" we'd all know what you were talking about...a female sheep or Yewt fan. But kitty kate? You'll have to explain that one to us.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 26, 2010 1:34 p.m.

    "while BYU was playing in the Fiesta Bowl, or, gulp, Utah fans, the ROSE BOWL, for a National Championship!"

    Keep up the positive thinking little kitty kates. Reach for the stars!

    Bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ah

  • Idacoog
    Feb. 26, 2010 1:33 p.m.

    "So then why does BYU force no play on Sunday?- when, as you say it’s and individual decision?"

    Are you really that stupid? BYU never "forces" no play on Sunday. They as a school do not allow Sunday play for their sports teams. All other schools can do what they want. Does it hurt BYU? Sure it does. But its BYU's decision. You play for BYU, you abide by their rules or, as happens occasionaly, you can play somewhere else.

  • RE:Anonymous | 12:58 p.m
    Feb. 26, 2010 1:26 p.m.

    Uh, no, that's not the worst case scenario. The worst case scenario (and the most likely) is that Utah won't be playing in a bowl game after running the PAC-10 gammit. Making the Vegas Bowl to play BYU is closer to the best case scenario.

    You finished 3rd in the MWC this year. What makes you think you'll finish better than 6th when you get to your big boy's conference?

  • RE:@Eric Weddle | 12:56 p.m.
    Feb. 26, 2010 1:23 p.m.

    I suppose the smart ones don't overuse the word "actually" either. But typical to Yewt fan fashion - skip the point of the comment and be sure to mention the misspelled word. Good job.

    Do you "actually" have an "actual" intelligent response to the point made?

    I didn't think so...hyocrit"E"

  • research
    Feb. 26, 2010 1:21 p.m.

    If "being a research institution" was a real requirement for membership from the PAC 10, a couple of current PAC 10 schools wouldn't qualify.

  • re: two teams...
    Feb. 26, 2010 1:15 p.m.

    Colorado State is in Fort Collins.

    Air Force is in Colorado Springs.

    Obviously, your anti-LDS hatred has completely overwhelmed any rational thinking.

  • bill
    Feb. 26, 2010 1:12 p.m.

    haha silly little mo's

  • re: Anonymous | 12:58 p.m.
    Feb. 26, 2010 1:09 p.m.

    The ultimate irony could be a 6th place PAC 12 Utah team playing the 2nd or 3rd place team from the MWC in the Las Vegas Bowl, while BYU was playing in the Fiesta Bowl, or, gulp, Utah fans, the ROSE BOWL, for a National Championship!

  • Re Re the eyepatch
    Feb. 26, 2010 1:09 p.m.

    "If BYU would have beat Utah in '08 they most likely would have jumped them in the BCS rankings and gone to the BCS bowl instead of Utah"

    You seem to forget that you took a drubbing at the hands of TCU who Utah beat. It wasn't a pretty win but it was a win. We also beat Oregon State who had just taken down USC. Also remember BSU would have been in it but Utah had the same record and a higher SOS. When it's all said and done, even if you did beat Utah, a one loss BYU team wouldn't have played over a perfect BSU team. Nice try though.

  • Please explain?
    Feb. 26, 2010 1:09 p.m.

    Why did BYU play the 1966 championship NIT game on a Sunday?

  • U of U religious affiliation
    Feb. 26, 2010 1:04 p.m.

    "don't realize that the University of Utah was both founded by and is currently controlled largely by the LDS church too?"

    founded by the LDS church - yes

    controlled today by the LDS church - you couldn't be further from the truth

    actual make up of the U of U:

    majority LDS student population

    majority non-LDS faculty, many of them blatantly anti-LDS

    mixed LDS/non-LDS administration that walks a very non-secular line


    The PAC 10 "Gods" couldn't care less about the size of the LDS population at the U; the only thing the anti-LDS folks in the PAC 10 care about is that the U doesn't "represent" the LDS church.

    Utah Alum

  • Re: Anonymous - 11:08 a.m.
    Feb. 26, 2010 1:04 p.m.

    Dear "lame" bubble person, BYU will never be considered for the PAC 12 because the current PAC 10 presidents will never unanimously approve entry, period.

    Continue your bashing and Utah hating remarks but the bottom line is this,not being a research institution will eliminate BYU from consideration. This will be the official word but we all know that lack of research coupled with the LDS Church actively opposing Prop 8 in California has eliminated BYU from serious consideration.

    You can say BYU didn't want to go based on not wanting to participate in Sunday athletics but we all know the reasons why BYU will stay in the MWC. Would BYU accept if offered by PAC 10 officials? Of course! This article explains that BYU has been positioning and begging for years to join a larger conference. Will Utah go if offered? Positively and never looking back for so many obvious reasons.

    BYU's only chance to move to a BCS conference is if the BIG 10 expands, taking a BIG 12 school along with Colorado leaving for the PAC 12. I'm guessing TCU would be called first and possibly BYU or Houston would take the other position.

  • The two teams will be...
    Feb. 26, 2010 1:03 p.m.

    Colorado and Colorado State. The Denver and Colorado Springs TV market is bigger than the Wasatch Front and the Pac-10 will not have to worry about the strong LDS religious element presented by both Utah and BYU but especially BYU nor the Sunday play problem for BYU in non-football sports.

    They would like to have Texas and another Texas team to serve as their conference rival but Texas will not leave the Big 12.

    Utah-Colorado does not make good sense because they are not natural rivals. And Utah, while not Church owned/operated, still has a very strong LDS influence and their TV ratings/fan following are much smaller than what BYU commands.

    Cougar and Ute fans can now stop salivating and tripping all over themselves trying to "prove" they are more worthy than the other team for Pac-10 admission.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 26, 2010 12:58 p.m.

    "The irony will be that BYU will be the host in the Vegas Bowl as the MWC champion and Utah will be the visiting team as the 6th place finisher in the PAC-1"

    Ok Kewg, if you want to project the worse case scenario then yes, the Utes would go the Vegas Bowl and pound the kittens. The upside? Utah still gets the big dollars for belonging to the PAC 10.

    Pathetic Kewgs.

  • @Eric Weddle
    Feb. 26, 2010 12:56 p.m.

    "And you call the BYU fans hypocrits"

    The smart ones actually call BYU fans hypocrites, since that's how it's actually spelled.

  • Sierra Blue
    Feb. 26, 2010 12:53 p.m.

    Kinda cool to log onto ESPN's College Basketball site today and see Jimmer's photo and a nice story about the BYU UNM game Saturday.

  • Excuse the Utes
    Feb. 26, 2010 12:44 p.m.

    "Utah wins"

    You'll have to excuse Utah fans.

    They're so used to losing lately, that they've started counting "moral victories" as actual wins.

    Hence, by Utah's definition

    26-23 = Utah win
    4th and 18 = Utah win
    Harline is still open = Utah win

    losing by only 13 in the Marriott Center, in a game the Utes trailed early by 18 = Utah win

    Actual Record

    BYU 3 of the last 4

    Utah interpretation

    Utah 4-0


    Actual Score

    BYU 82-69

    Utah interpretation

    Utah win

  • Proposition 8
    Feb. 26, 2010 12:40 p.m.

    For you yahoos who think BYU will be shut out of the PAC-10 because of "Proposition 8" support - are you really so naive as to think the PAC-10 Gods don't realize that the University of Utah was both founded by and is currently controlled largely by the LDS church too? Come on now, I know you look at the world through your rose colored glasses but certainly you're not that dumb...are you??? Well, are you???

  • You Yewts
    Feb. 26, 2010 12:38 p.m.

    are a very funny bunch. "To the loser goes the opportunity to play in an almost November Bowl...VEGAS BABY"

    The irony will be that BYU will be the host in the Vegas Bowl as the MWC champion and Utah will be the visiting team as the 6th place finisher in the PAC-1

    Also, I'm sure the PAC-10 is salivating at the chance to add Jim Boilin' Over and his stellar Runnin Ewe basketball program.

    There is no way no how that the PAC-10 increases it's per team revenue by adding Utah to its conference. If however it should be so stupid it will be funny to watch you revel in your newfound glory in the "BCS Conference" with never a trip to the Rose Bowl, let alone any other BCS Bowl.

  • re: Just Lovin It
    Feb. 26, 2010 12:32 p.m.

    Inside sources???

    You're telling me that someone that can't even spell "Halarious" correctly and who writes like he's still in junior high actually has inside sources???

    "Utah go to National Title contenders in Pac-10"

    Utah will actually have less of a chance of being a national title contender in the PAC 10 than they would have by staying in the MWC.

    If a #1-ranked USC can get shut out of the BCS title game, what chance do you think Utah really has of ever actually playing for the national title?

  • Re: Holy War
    Feb. 26, 2010 12:30 p.m.

    Utah wins??...no, Utah lost...

  • Eric Weddle
    Feb. 26, 2010 12:30 p.m.

    along with several other devoutly LDS Ute alumni would be embarrassed at the typical Ute fan's display of ignorance on this board. You know who I'm talking about. Not the true Ute fan with a valid point to make but the anti-BYU-Mormon fan who keeps spouting "Steve Young this" and "Austin Collie" that. How many of you same nincompoops are bad mouthing Mr. Weddle for holding true to his religious beliefs, yet playing football in the NFL? Conveniently "forgetting" to consider those fine men in your rubbish comments, aren't you?!

    And you call the BYU fans hypocrits. Looks like the mirror is shining back on you in glaring fashion today and always!

    Feb. 26, 2010 12:22 p.m.

    Yes, the Holy war will soon be over and to the victors go the spoils…. PAC 10 BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    To the loser goes the opportunity to play in an almost November Bowl ….VEGAS BABY!!!!!!!!


  • RE:Bugger
    Feb. 26, 2010 12:19 p.m.

    ...Says the Yewt fan who has spent exactly the same number of days in the Lambda Lamda Lamda as BYU and has no solid guarantee that that will ever change.

    Sorry Ewe. Velcro worn off your gloves???

  • once closer
    Feb. 26, 2010 12:18 p.m.

    Did Provo and/or the PAC10 move?

  • Dick
    Feb. 26, 2010 12:12 p.m.

    RE: Just Lovin It

    Done? What does that mean, done? Does that mean no more football program? Does that mean BYU does away with sports and we all become Utah fans? Or, are you talking about done meaning merely defeated because the Utes well be in a more prestigious conference? What exactly are you talking about "Done"?

  • Zoobs et al..
    Feb. 26, 2010 12:03 p.m.

    Just let it go guys, geeze!

  • Holy War
    Feb. 26, 2010 12:02 p.m.

    Looks like the Holy War is over.

    Utah wins!!!

    We should still get together once a year to rub it in your face though kewgs.

    HA HAa

  • Just Lovin It
    Feb. 26, 2010 11:54 a.m.

    This is such a dream come true. I know from inside sources that Utah and Colorado are joining the Pac-10 in 2012. It will be announced after basketball season.

    I am going to enjoy the journey so so much. Watching Utah go to National Title contenders in Pac-10 will be just a sweet as watchin BYU and Boise St. become nothing!

    Prepare to reap what you sew Cougar fans, if TCU goes to the Big 12 and you don't.. YOU'RE DONE!!

    Halarious no one wants to play with the Cougars. Oh the JOY!

  • Conference Hopping
    Feb. 26, 2010 11:47 a.m.

    It's all speculation anyway, and NOBODY, except for the very few involved directly in the decision-making process, knows anything beyond rumors and speculation.

    Even when an A.D. like Hill or Holmoe is been "contacted" by another conference about expansion, they're not at liberty to confirm that to the media.

    Bottom line is we really won't know anything until the OFFICIAL expansion plans have already been decided by the conference and the teams involved have already accepted invitations. It is possible that the plans might be leaked the day before the official announcement, but don't count on anything sooner.

  • Dick
    Feb. 26, 2010 11:34 a.m.

    RE: Sabbath Day Observance

    Amen to that. It is an individual choice. As such, it could be a University Choice if only the powers that be would allow that.

  • bergsto
    Feb. 26, 2010 11:32 a.m.

    "Meanwhile, BYU could be a consistent contender for a BCS bowl game."

    That's absolutely correct. They will ALWAYS be a contender, but never actually play in and win a BCS bowl game.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 26, 2010 11:30 a.m.

    "Bottom line: Honoring the Sabbath Day is an individual decision that is between God and the individual."

    So then why does BYU force no play on Sunday?- when, as you say it’s and individual decision?


  • Dick
    Feb. 26, 2010 11:28 a.m.

    RE: Dick you are kidding yourself.

    I don't think I'm far off base that BYU is more popular and has a bigger fan base than Colorado or Utah. Colorado is at the lower end of the pecking order in revenue sharing in the Big XII. That is why they are not happy. The revenue is shared according to how they draw. They don't draw well. Average attendance over the last 4 years has been 50,000. They have to compete with every imaginable professional sports team in Denver. Frankly, I don't think they are that popular at all.

  • Dick
    Feb. 26, 2010 11:21 a.m.

    RE: Dick you are kidding yourself.

    I don't think I'm far off base that BYU is more popular and has a bigger fan base than Colorado or Utah. Colorado is at the lower end of the pecking order in revenue sharing in the Big XII. That is why they are not happy. The revenue is shared according to how they draw. They don't draw well. Average attendance over the last 4 years has been 50,000. They have to compete with every imaginable professional sports team in Denver. Frankly, I don't think they are that popular at all.

  • Sabbath Day Observance
    Feb. 26, 2010 11:10 a.m.

    There's a BIG difference between BYU, which is owned by and therefore represents the LDS church, and an individual, playing professional sports on the Sabbath.

    It's an "Ox in the mire" choice.

    Choosing to be a professional athlete is no different than choosing to be a doctor, fireman, policeman, soldier, journalist, reporter, utility worker, or countless other professions that require working on the Sabbath.

    If you call 9-1-1, turn on a light, heat your home, drive a car, listen to the radio, or even, watch General Conference, you're forcing someone to work on the Sabbath.

    Bottom line: Honoring the Sabbath Day is an individual decision that is between God and the individual.

  • Cougarf@n
    Feb. 26, 2010 11:09 a.m.

    Questioning the Sunday play issue is pointless. BYU is not going to change its policy on Sunday play even if it costs them a spot in a BCS conference. Criticizing BYU based on its sunday policy just makes you look intolerant. Pointing out mormon players who play in the NFL to bash BYU is petty and stupid, especially from Ute fans when Utah has mormon players playing in the NFL as well.

    As for the topic at hand, if PAC-10 or Big-12 expansion were based on athletic performance, tv ratings, overall quality of academics, attendance, facilities, or athletic budgets then BYU would be the first non-AQ team considered on EVERYONE'S list. That's why all the AD's want BYU as the article points out. If Utah is selected over BYU it will be due to ideology rather than any of the other factors. The PAC-10 is very liberal and the last thing they want is a conservative university among them. They're way too "open minded" to accept another point of view. Utah will fit right in. Just don't kid yourselves into thinking it is because of anything but ideology.

  • @Alaska Air, 8:55 am
    Feb. 26, 2010 11:09 a.m.

    "For all the people who think BYU and Utah won't play each other if they are in different conferences."

    You don't understand. People aren't saying that BYU and Utah WON'T play if Utah skips the conference, they're saying that BYU and Utah SHOULDN'T play if that happens. The bitterly misnamed "Holy War" is, at this point, an ugly artifact of being in a shared conference. Many of us hope that, if Utah goes to the PAC-10 (and, unlikely as that is, we all know BYU will never get invited to the PAC-10), the teams simply quit playing each other.

    Please, let Utah leave and stop playing them. Let Utah gloat for the next hundred years about their all-time record "dominance" over BYU, the bulk of which took place in the leather-helmet era. That's okay with me. They can say whatever they want, as long as we "obnoxious, ignorant, self-righteous" True Blue BYU fans (er, "Zoobies") never have to see another game with them.

    Prediction: Without an annual BYU/Utah game, Utah's football program decays to Washington State levels or below, within ten years.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 26, 2010 11:08 a.m.

    This is just another lame argument by Utah fans to try and somehow feel superior to BYU and failing miserably. Utah fans: rest assured if there wasn't a sunday play conflict, BYU would be taken over Utah in a SECOND. Fanbase, revenue opportunities, overall national appeal, it's not even close athletically. BYU is superior in every fashion. Oh, except for womens gymnastics. That's all yours. You know, that sport that outsells the mens basketball team in tickets?

  • McNasty
    Feb. 26, 2010 10:59 a.m.

    I find it astounding how quickly and perniciously wild, off topic tangents erupt (like weeds)on these comment sections. Brad Rock simply points out that BYU's chances for inclusion into the PAC-10 were better 20 years ago then now; and Rock points out that because of the PAC-10 presidents, BYU's inclusion was never going to happen then....or now. Rock points out that Utah had little chance for PAC-10 inclusion 20 years ago, but now there is a solid possibilty.

    Some comments stay on topic (sports and yes money). Other comments are fine, but are not on point. But other comments are acrimonious and pathetic in nature and make a rational individual believe that a fire sale on lobotomies had recently occurred. Reading some of the comments posted here is paramount to watching a 'Morons on Parade' spectacle.

    Bottom line of the article is:

    PAC-10 Inclusion BYU UTAH

    20 years ago NO NO
    Today No POSSIBLE

  • RE:Sunday Play Impact on Utah
    Feb. 26, 2010 10:57 a.m.

    "has a significant percentage of active LDS players that may look at Sunday play in college as a negative"

    Honestly, The Utes won’t need this type of players anymore. You know the guy who won’t play college sports on Sunday but would have no problem playing professional sports on Sunday.


  • re: Anonynmous @9:00
    Feb. 26, 2010 10:56 a.m.

    Yeah I'm pretty sure BYU would have won half a dozen BCS games in the 70s and Utah would have won two national champions against opponents that actually had winning records.

    The kewgs national championship is again, only by default against a 6-6 sub-par Michigan team.

    If the Kewgs can't win a BCS game now, what makes you think they will soon?

    Go Utes!!!

  • BCS BS
    Feb. 26, 2010 10:52 a.m.

    "And the Utes would have won TWO national championships (2004,2008)"

    The glaring error in your statement is that the current BCS was in place in 2004 and 2008, and the Utes still didn't win a national championship!

    In fact, the Utes didn't even come close, finishing a distant 2nd in the AP poll in 2008 and 4th in the Coaches poll. And in 2004, the Utes finished just barely ahead of BYU's 1996 team, #4/#5 versus #5/#5.

  • Re: Dick
    Feb. 26, 2010 10:49 a.m.

    Dick you are kidding yourself if you think Provo is a bigger market than Colorado. Colorado has had several down seasons but they have a very large following in Denver and the surrounding area which is much larger than tiny little Provo.

    You don't come close to comparing to Nebraska either and they have a much larger following nationally than your Zoobs.

  • RE: Sunday Play Impact on Utah
    Feb. 26, 2010 10:49 a.m.

    Sunday 'NFL' play didn't seem to be a problem for LDS BYU hot shots like Steve Young and, of course, Austin 'living right' Collie. Get a grip. There will not be that many Sunday college games. If you actually believe some kid would rather play for BYU in the MWC, knowing they don't have to play on Sunday, rather than with Utah in the Pac-10, I doubt Utah would be interested anyway.

  • Dick
    Feb. 26, 2010 10:48 a.m.

    Sunday Play Impact on Utah:

    My thoughts are that it will have zero impact. If a kid gets a chance to play football for a major college and have a chance of success Sunday is of zero importance. I have yet to read anywhere in my quad where it says you can't play football on Sunday. Its simply just getting the pig skin out of the mire.

  • Bugger
    Feb. 26, 2010 10:46 a.m.

    When discussing BYU trying desperately to be accepted by a BCS conference I can’t help but think of the movie Revenge of the Nerds. You know, the geeks who can’t get into the cool frat house (PAC 10) and are forced to go it alone at Lamda Lamda Lamda (MWC).


  • re: Bass | 10:17 a.m.
    Feb. 26, 2010 10:45 a.m.

    Please don't embarrass yourself by stealing another blogger's moniker and then posting a comment that looks like it was written by a 12-year-old.

    The real Bassman uses correct grammar and spelling and posts short, two-line, usually humorous comments.

  • Sunday Play Impact on Utah
    Feb. 26, 2010 10:29 a.m.

    If Utah were to joint the Pac-10 and play on Sunday, what thoughts does everyone have on the impact on recruiting of LDS players? My understanding is the school has a significant percentage of active LDS players that may look at Sunday play in college as a negative. Certainly they won't ALL look at it the same, but there must be some impact.

  • Good riddance...
    Feb. 26, 2010 10:25 a.m.

    If Utah leaves the MWC, I say good riddance. "Take out the papers and the trash".

    This whole 'Holy War' rivalry thing is lame.

  • Ernest T. Bass
    Feb. 26, 2010 10:17 a.m.

    Makes me so mad that byu isn't their already. we should be there because we've got the best to offer every conference.
    Byu is way better than utah or UC colorado. We could do more than Noter Dame.
    If the pac doesn't bring us we should do independent and get a NBC deal better than Noter Dame.

  • Typical BYU
    Feb. 26, 2010 10:15 a.m.

    The one guy firmly in BYU's corner is an associate commissioner in the Pac-10 who graduated from BYU. His daughter is a high school senior with a 3.8 gpa. She has lots of school and community activities (sports, leadership, choir, etc.). In typical BYU fasion they just denied her admission. How hard do you think he'll fight for BYU now? Shot ourselves in the foot

  • Dick
    Feb. 26, 2010 10:11 a.m.

    I'm positive that what you find in So. Bend, Indiana, Omaha, Nebraska, and Provo, Utah are schools with much bigger markets than Colorado or Utah. I think the PAC 10 has a dilemma on its hands and may be doomed to always be at the bottom of the big six in generating revenue. Just my opinion though. I only have an undergraduate degree.

  • Dick
    Feb. 26, 2010 10:07 a.m.

    Not fair to Arizona State. Actually, they were a very good team. They could have competed in the upper PAC 10. If anyone recalls, they received the NCAA death sentence just as they joined. Yep, recruiting violations galore. Their program never came back. I'm an ardent BYU fan, however, I do think Utah will do just fine in the PAC. Their program is now on an even par with BYU. Congratulations to them. I still hate them though.

    What I really don't understand is how all these AAU qualified schools can get together with all their award winning research and think that by adding Colorado and Utah will make them more money per school. I really don't really think the big Marketeer's from any TV network can be fooled into thinking you get the Utah and Colorado markets.

    Sunday? Whoever said playing football on Sunday is not keeping the Sabbath day holy? Maybe we should just change our policy. What better day for a Holy War?

  • to Day of Rest?
    Feb. 26, 2010 10:05 a.m.

    I laugh at people who take any article and turn it into a Mormon bash. Are you really worried about those boys can't spare watching a ball game without their dads on Sunday because his dad is at church for a couple hours Sunday afternoon?

    Or are you just a bitter ute fan always looking to say something negative about byu/Mormons?

    My guess - the latter

  • Re: THEeyepatch
    Feb. 26, 2010 10:02 a.m.

    "Since when has BYU batttled anyone for a trip to a BCS bowl? I don't expect BYU football to start a trend anytime soon. "

    If BYU would have beat Utah in '08 they most likely would have jumped them in the BCS rankings and gone to the BCS bowl instead of Utah

    Also, in '84 BYU finished the regular season ranked #1, and that is why they finished #1. Not because they were the only undefeated team. If Utah wouldnt have tanked it 05-07 they probably would have had the credibility to pull that off too

  • TO: pj yentle | 8:29 a.m. Feb. 2
    Feb. 26, 2010 10:00 a.m.

    You can downplay the academic angle, and even argue that BYU is a great school, which it is. However, you are showing that you don't understand how Universities operate and are classified.

    Utah has two research Universities, U of U and USU. BYU is an undergraduate institution. It is a great one, but it is what it is.

    To major Universities, that status matters. Conferences collaborate in many areas other than sports, and rubbing shoulders with those who are considered peers is a big deal. Call it arrogance if you want, but Research Universities want to collaborate with other Research Universities.

    That is the same reason Boise State is not a possibility for the PAC 10/12, and not likely to be invited to the MWC... (Yes, the MWC schools have the same feeling about schools that don't look like them. Despite a really good football program, BSU is basically a Community College with a few four year degree added in, much like Weber State or Dixie State in Utah. Just and example, when USU joined the WAC, their academic stature went way up.

  • Sunday NOT the issue
    Feb. 26, 2010 9:57 a.m.

    The two money sports rarely play on Sunday.

    Football - almost never
    Basketball - little

    And it's not like they'd have to shuffle everyone's schedule, they could still play on Sunday, just not BYU. That isn't the reason. If they claim it, it's a coverup for other bigoted reasons.

  • BYU Boy
    Feb. 26, 2010 9:52 a.m.

    Why on earth would any other conference want Utah. What would they add? Not many fans; no TV ratings bump and unattractive venues for football and basketball.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 26, 2010 9:49 a.m.

    "The MWC is out-performing the Pac-10 lately. Who's looking up to whom? Hang tough, and when the MWC is an AQ league, all things will be equal."

    Sooooo, your saying the MWC is outperforming the PAC. YET you stress that any MWC additions to the PAC 10 would be doormats in the league. Very typical logic. If BYU was asked to join the PAC 10 your statement would be much, much different and you know it.

  • RE: BYU Fans
    Feb. 26, 2010 9:41 a.m.

    Yes, we are better than you...your point is?

  • Enough
    Feb. 26, 2010 9:40 a.m.

    Anyone else tired of the conference expansion talks. I doubt it will happen, so why don't we just not talk about it until it does (if it does).

  • akk
    Feb. 26, 2010 9:39 a.m.

    Thats the past. Who cares. Utah, BYU, and TCU are better off staying together... Those three programs are too good and will get the MWC into the BCS soon.

  • Day of rest?
    Feb. 26, 2010 9:28 a.m.

    As a non-mormon with a lot of mormon family I laugh at the "Sunday is a day of rest" line. I always take a day of rest on Sunday while I watch my mormon relatives work for the church.
    I don't know how they spin working for the church as rest, but they do.
    Maybe some father would benefit from staying home and watching a basketball game with his son instead of being gone at the church building "working/resting".

  • bluto
    Feb. 26, 2010 9:09 a.m.

    Some observations:

    No reason to impune redheads or step children.

    How's all that extra money doing for Washington State?

    In 30 years, Arizona has "never" played in a Rose
    Bowl, Az. St. has played is a whopping 2 Rose Bowls.
    They were perenial Top-20 teams in the old WAC.

    The MWC is out-performing the Pac-10 lately. Who's looking up to whom? Hang tough, and when the MWC is an AQ league, all things will be equal.

    TCU never sees top-25 or BCS again, if they join the BIG-12(14). Lose Utah, snatch up, Boise, Houston, and Fresno or SMU, and BCS looks good.

    Only one league out West? Fight for another league. That's the answer in the current system.

    A reminder to my Mormon bretheren, The biblical Sabbath is Saturday, If BYU were an Orthodox Jewish school, they wouldn't be playing any games on Saturday.

    Can the "pious attitude". Many were glued to their sets pulling for Austin Collie on a Sunday. The Y will never change that, but it does not make them superior. Slow down cougs.

    Pac-10 rarely if ever get 2 BCS bids.

  • Brigham Young
    Feb. 26, 2010 9:07 a.m.

    Why must we fight my children? I started both schools and I favor the righteous BYU over the my ugly step child UU. By the way my children, why did you start making a double Loser gesture as your secret sign? Are you not smart enough to know what it means? Please focus on trying to get your degrees so you will stop taking the low paying jobs from our friends from mexico.

    Feb. 26, 2010 9:02 a.m.

    IF Keeping the sabbath day holy is so important to your program, why do players from there have no prob playing on sundays in the NFL? Why is it only an issue while they are in college. I know the church celebrates the fact that the players happen to be LDS and are in a limelight. Do what's the issue with byu not being able to play B ball games in the pac or big 12? When it comes to the sunday thing everyone is all WELL IT'S DIFFERENT. Isn't the school ran by the church?

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 26, 2010 9:00 a.m.

    "If the current BCS had been in place since the late 70's, BYU would have played in at least a half-dozen BCS games by now, more than any other non-AQ school."

    And the Utes would have won TWO national championships (2004,2008)

  • WSU Cougar
    Feb. 26, 2010 8:58 a.m.

    The PAC-10 for Utah means more money, better TV coverage, better recruiting and should equate to more wins.

    I grew up in the PAC-10 and I love the conference.
    "All about the $$" is right, read his comments. According to the NCAA reports Utah's expense budget is in the middle of the MWC and very small compared to the other BSC conferences.

    Feb. 26, 2010 8:55 a.m.

    For all the people who think BYU and Utah won't play each other if they are in different conferences. BYU and Utah will play each other, even if they are in seperate confernces. People who say they will no longer play each other no nothing about rivalries and how how much money, bragging rights, passion, fun and excitement they bring. Utah will always be BYU's little brother, so a rivalry will always be around, no matter what. 45 miles away.


    Georgia vs Georgia Tech. Georgia is in the SEC and Tech is in the ACC. The game is either played in Athens or Atlanta (similar to Provo or SLC). This is one of the biggest rivalries in the nation despite them both being in different conferences. Final game of the year for both schools. This one I think would be the most similar if Utah and BYU are in seperate conferences.

    Colorado vs Colorado State. Colorado in the Big 12 CSU in MWC. Neutral sight in Denver, 1st game of the year for both schools.

    Florida(SEC) vs Florida State (ACC)

    Nevada (WAC) vs UNLV (MWC)

    Iowa (Big 10) vs Iowa State (Big 12)

    Feb. 26, 2010 8:53 a.m.

    Just because you go to another conference whether that be pac or big 12 YOUR STILL BYU. Your recruiting isn't gonna all of a sudden get better. Because your still BYU. You still have your crazy restrictions and stuff. I think it's funny reqading these guys post yeah we will land bigtime recruits if we join another conf. Yeah national recruits wanna go to byu and have a curfew like their 13.

    Feb. 26, 2010 8:50 a.m.

    Commandment #4
    “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."
    Good Things Come To Those Who Wait! :)

  • @ "BYU fans"
    Feb. 26, 2010 8:50 a.m.

    "Keeping the sabbath day holy... It's the higher law they have a hard time with."

    How can you keep the higher law (as you imply all the uties do) if you can't even keep the "lower" one?

  • I'm Positive
    Feb. 26, 2010 8:49 a.m.

    the PAC-10 is salivating at the chance to get a sub .500 basketball program with a hyperactive coach who looks like a kid thats missed a few Ritalin doses. NOT

    One thing's for sure though...Washington State would LOVE to have Utah come in and replace them as the doormat of the conference. Go Utes...to the PAC-10! You'll really hurt our feelings. NOT

  • RE:BYU fans...
    Feb. 26, 2010 8:46 a.m.

    Get over yourself dude. That's not at all what's being said. Course, haters have one track minds. Common sense and reality don't really mean much to you.

  • Dave Wilcox
    Feb. 26, 2010 8:40 a.m.

    BYU should stay where they are. If the Pac-10 resembles the main hall snobs, why should we want to join them? The only reason why BYU needs to consider leaving the MWC is because teams including ones in the Pac-10 no longer want to play strong teams from conferences outside the BCS, i.e. Washington Huskies dropping BYU from their schedule. At least AD Tom Holmoe was able to work some magic and schedule Texas in the near future. I'm sure his job has become increasingly difficult to secure such games. Just as Glen Tuckett and Val Hale tried to drum up new conference plans, it may make Tom wonder at times if it would be better to join the snobs.

  • pj yentle
    Feb. 26, 2010 8:29 a.m.

    Hey Utes

    Academic freedom? Like when the Flynn girl was kicked out of her Theater Major at the U, why? Because, she refused to use profanity in the plays! To a Lib, freedom is always a one way street.

    The English prof who lost her job at the Y, did so because she used her classroom to promote her political causes, (pro-abortion) of all things. Which was not in her job description.

    As far as Academics, BYU outranks Utah is just about every category and college.

    Reasearch dollars are generally taxpayers dollars. So you get more grant dollars. And this is relevant to Sports Leagues, how?

    Published Professors, usually means, at the U, a tenured Prof spending just 2 hours a week in the classroom. And, a pamphlet nobody ever reads, passes for being one being published.

    Oh and by the way, BYU leads the Nation in inventions and patents, when based upon dollars spent.

    I hope BYU stays put, gets rid of Utah, and never plays Utah again in the regular season. They need this rivalry more than BYU does. Just as Notre Dame got sick of Miami and stopped playing them,the Y should do likewise.

  • yearsago
    Feb. 26, 2010 8:28 a.m.

    BYU was never really that close to joining the pac-10. Of course all the ADs were going to be for it, but like the BYU AD/President said, it never even got to the presidents (Which would have shot it down)

  • BYU fans...
    Feb. 26, 2010 8:13 a.m.

    ...love their old testament commandments. Keeping the sabbath day holy. Not killing people. It's the higher law they have a hard time with. Humility. Being kind to your neighbor. Turning the other cheek.

    The gist of some of these comments is, "Yeah, we don't play on Sunday. We're awesome. We're righteous. You're not. We're better than you. We're Christians. No else is."

  • PAC 12 vs MWC
    Feb. 26, 2010 8:03 a.m.

    Utah's chances of playing in a BCS game:

    PAC-12: 1 in 10 (or less)
    MWC: 1 in 5

  • BYU
    Feb. 26, 2010 8:01 a.m.

    Here's a chance for PAC 10 to practice it's mantra, "tolerance". Guess that's not true when it doesn't benefit you.

  • TwoEyePatches
    Feb. 26, 2010 7:57 a.m.

    Didn't TCU handle Boise State in the Poinsettia Bowl just the year before?

    And didn't Boise State just barely squeek by one of the worst BYU teams in the last 50 years at home on their own smurf turf by one point?

    Non-AQ teams in the BCS is a recent phenomena, a period of only 6 years (2004 to 2009), not enough time to establish any sort of "trend".

    If the current BCS had been in place since the late 70's, BYU would have played in at least a half-dozen BCS games by now, more than any other non-AQ school.

    It doesn't matter who has been in the conference--Arizona, Arizona St, Fresno St, Hawaii, TCU, Utah--BYU has a history over the past 30 years of regularly winning conference championships.

    Having Boise State in the MWC wouldn't change that.

    With Boise State in the MWC, winning the MWC with at least an 11-1 record would pretty much guarantee a BCS bid for the MWC champion.

  • KVC
    Feb. 26, 2010 7:52 a.m.

    I can't imagine what Utah would do if it no longer played BYU on a yearly basis. It is one of the biggest rivalries in college football. And there would not be room for Utah-BYU every year if Utah was in a Pac-12.
    I still think BYU would make the most sense for the Pac-10 given all the BYU fans in Pac-10 areas. When I was at Arizona State, we played BYU and it was a big game because of the LDS population in the Phoenix-Mesa area. The same appears to be true in California, where there are 1-million Mormons.
    As for the Big-12, right now TCU is the best bet for them being in Texas and having strong football.
    I personally think the best scenario would be to add Boise State to the MWC and it would be at least the 4th best of the BCS conferences, arguably above the Big East, Pac 10, and ACC on a consistent basis. As they currently stand, the MWC was better than those three conferences, and the Big 12 as well this past year.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 26, 2010 7:50 a.m.

    So I don’t get it Kewgs. Out of one side of your face you boast the MWC is as good or better than the PAC 10. Then you babble out of the other side of your face that if Utah / Colorado /Boise State were taken they would be a doormat? Me thinks your just really, really jealous.

  • Striker
    Feb. 26, 2010 7:32 a.m.

    Let ut go to the pacific and compete with Oregon, USC, and UCLA for those big recruits, and BYU can steal all the good Utah talent and keep that TCU tie so it can keep recruiting out of Texas. Would we love to see Washington wipe its feet year after year with utah?!!!!

  • Flatlander
    Feb. 26, 2010 7:13 a.m.

    When I went to BYU, Arizona and Arizona State were in the old WAC and were on top every year and BYU was always in the middle. the two Arizona schools thought because they were on top they could compete in any conference and moved to the old Pac 8 to become the Pac 10. Since the move they have always been in the middle of the Pac. How many Rosebowl games have they gone to or BCS games have they played in. The seasons got longer and tougher. It is one thing to beat one of those schools on a single game basis but it never happens on a season long basis. BYU going would be the same thing. Best to be the big fish in the little pond.

  • All about the $$
    Feb. 26, 2010 6:59 a.m.

    All of these changes are about the money. ADs would like great opponents that will raise their national standing. However, presidents (the decision makers) are all about the money.

    Consequentially, the athletic programs will benefit greatly from the cash influx. Specifically, Utah and BYU bring in about $25M a year for athletics due to their affiliation with the MWC (TV rights, bowls, etc.). The biggest programs in the country (Florida, Texas, etc.) bring in over $100M. By moving to the Pac-10/12, Utah would instantly double their revenue take ($50M+). Those funds would buy better coaches, facilities, accommodations, and ultimately be a major factor to drawing better players.

    Better players = more wins, and more wins = more money.

    This is a financial decision.

  • If either were that compelling
    Feb. 26, 2010 6:51 a.m.

    Both would have been in other conference situations long ago... as it is, they've kind of found the level they're going to rise to and that's being dominant in one sport or the other in the MWC and competent in the rest... with a smattering of national level games/wins half a dozen times a decade.

    Feb. 26, 2010 6:50 a.m.


  • THEeyepatch
    Feb. 26, 2010 6:35 a.m.

    @Utah Market

    "If Utah and TCU leave the MWC, the MWC just adds Boise State, and the Cougars and Broncos battle it out for the annual trip to a BCS bowl."

    Since when has BYU batttled anyone for a trip to a BCS bowl? I don't expect BYU football to start a trend anytime soon. From Boise State's recent history, they are the last team anyone in the MWC wants to face. Just ask TCU, BYU would be the big boy on the block and Boise St. doesn't seem to have any problem beating big boys. Or should I say prettiest girl at the dance. I like how some of these DN writers put things in such perfect perspective. Personally, I don't believe either team is going anywhere. Until I see "BON VOYAGE" in a headline, the rivalry continues....

  • Utah
    Feb. 26, 2010 6:34 a.m.

    is dumb. If they ever get invited (big if) they will be the new Washington State. I would enjoy seeing Utah lose regularly while BYU goes year after year to the BCS.

  • My hope is that the
    Feb. 26, 2010 6:23 a.m.

    Pac 10 hurries up and expands so we don't have to keep seeing this stories (save your breath, I know I don't have to read them). I sincerely hope that Utah and BYU stay where they are. The Mountain West has been at least as good as the Pac 10 in recent years and is getting better and better.

  • Eddie
    Feb. 26, 2010 6:23 a.m.

    Let the Utes go to the PAC-10/12 with Boise State and be the door mats. I would love it! ! ! Let the Left coast beat them like the red headed step children that they are. Then everyone can see what it is like having fans that are the worst in the nation. I can just see it now....the ute fans sitting in the wonderful settings of the Pac-12 and asking their opponents fans to "pull their finger" Aaaahhhh yes, life would be sweet without Ute fans trying to tell us how great they are when they are NOT, and letting everyone else see just what they really are....WANNNNA BEEEES!

  • O.C.ron
    Feb. 26, 2010 6:04 a.m.

    When the Pac 10 thinks about BYU their pea brand minds come up with two thoughts - Sunday play and Prop. 8. Next to the SEC, the Pac 10 is the most arrogant conf. in the nation. Left coast mindset led by Cal and Stanford. As for Sun. play, the Y has taken an infalible position. Last time I checked, keeping the Sabbath day holy is still one of the Ten Commandments. Morality tops politically correct. As for Prop. 8, the same rule applies. I live in Orange, Ca and saw, heard and felt the wrath and indination hurled at the Mormon church. The Pac 10 connects BYU directly with the church. Thusly, they are morally blind and kiss up to the gay and lesbian community. Conclusion - BYU will never get an invite. The Pac 10 can take a crappy Colorado school to beat up on. Utah will land in the middle with football but stink otherwise. No BCS invite ever again there. The Y will end up in the Big 12 and be a welcomed addition and be competitive.

  • Rich
    Feb. 26, 2010 5:59 a.m.

    Right now Utah and BYU are in a stronger conference than the PAC 10 in both football and basketball. But what counts is money, and since there are approximately 12 Californians for every Utahn, the Utah market just is not very important to the PAC 10. However, BYU draws viewers from every state in the nation, much as Notre Dame does, and so BYU is more attractive to the PAC 10 than Utah is if it weren't for the fact that the Mormons cling to their religion.

  • What's up?
    Feb. 26, 2010 5:47 a.m.

    You still don't get it.

    The Sunday thing may be an issue, but the academics is the stopper. BYU is basically an undergraduate school and all the PAC 10 school are focused on being big time research schools with academic freedom not questioned.

  • JIMI
    Feb. 26, 2010 5:35 a.m.

    silly zoobies, GO UTES !

  • Louisiana Cougar
    Feb. 26, 2010 4:03 a.m.

    Thanks for the history on this issue.

    Tuckett and Hale certainly knew the background. They are both fine men who served BYU well. My memory is that the PAC Ten hurdle has always been the University Presidents' resistance to BYU joining their conference.

    I think the Cougars are well placed in the MWC -- although I see Utah eventually leaving the conference (and from Hill's comments it is apparent that he has been trolling for options).

  • Utah market?
    Feb. 26, 2010 1:49 a.m.

    Are the PAC 10 television gurus really so foolish as to believe that inviting Utah to the PAC 10 sans BYU will grab the Utah market?

    In the end, as far as BYU is concerned, I really don't care if Utah goes to the PAC 10 or not.

    BYU carried the WAC for almost two decades and did just fine. BYU would be just fine remaining the kingpin of the MWC.

    If Utah and TCU leave the MWC, the MWC just adds Boise State, and the Cougars and Broncos battle it out for the annual trip to a BCS bowl.

    Meanwhile, the Utes, after getting everything they wanted, would be looking back longingly at the MWC from the middle of the PAC 12 standings and wondering...

    "Was having a chance to play in the Rose Bowl every 10 years or so really worth it?"

  • Yawn...
    Feb. 26, 2010 1:15 a.m.

    Pleas quit running these "conference-hopping" stories until there is some REAL news. Until another conference formally invites one of our teams, or the MWC invites another team, all this speculation is a waste of time.

    Oh, by the way BlueBoy, South Florida does not play in the SEC. They are in the Big East.

  • SD Blue
    Feb. 25, 2010 11:44 p.m.

    utes are like the embarrasing "uncle" that no one wants to be around or claim. I agree with the post above, taking what we believe in over everything else is exactly why I cheer for the Y. I hope beyond hope that this rivalry is broken up and if u lose every game I won't care less because I cheer for my team, not against others.

  • What really makes sense
    Feb. 25, 2010 11:26 p.m.

    Honestly what makes the most sense is for Utah and COlorado to go to the PAC 10. That way the PAC 10 gets part of the SLC market and the Colorado market. Then since the BIG 12 wants to get rid of COlorado because it drags the conference down they can then add BYU. The BIG 12 is a much more conservative conference and BYU would fit in better there. However, I don't see the U or the Y going anywhere. What I would prefer is for Boise State to join the MWC, but that probably won't happen either.

  • Another hater!
    Feb. 25, 2010 10:59 p.m.

    As usual, the first one to read and comment about a BYU article is a BYU-hater claiming o be a Ute-fan.

    Grow up!

  • re: Hmmmm...
    Feb. 25, 2010 10:49 p.m.

    If the choice is Sabbath day or anything, I'm pleased to support the team that keeps the Sabbath day holy.

    As for playing Utah, hmmmm... Any time, little brother. You've been to the big dance, kudos to your team. When you aren't BCS busting, though, your Mountain West rusting. You have downs to go with your ups that would even give Washington State hope.

    Look on the bright side. In the PAC 12, you just might still get a chance to play BYU. In Las Vegas. You haven't earned many trips there in this league, but in the PAC 12, I think that will about be your speed.

  • BlueBoy
    Feb. 25, 2010 10:49 p.m.

    When mentioning Big 12 changes, Missouri to the Big Ten wasn't mentioned as a reason to open a spot for BYU in the Big 12. Has the Big Ten changed its mind about expanding from 11 to 12?

    I still think that the BCS boys don't want the inevitability of the MWC becoming BCS-worthy in another two years and having to deal with either adding another BCS conference or replacing a current one. So, they'll either need to raid the MWC enough to make it not qualify, or eat humble pie.

    That means getting both Utah and TCU out of the MWC conference while not letting Boise State or Houston into it (to maintain stats in some way).

    It's pretty likely the Pac-10 will go to 12 teams to have a post-season championship game like the rest of the BCS conference do (assuming the Big Ten expands and does it, too).

    This all means BYU is likely to get picked up by either the Pac-10 or Big 12. UNLESS they want to pull an SEC move and add a previous nobody like South Florida.

  • Hmmmm...
    Feb. 25, 2010 9:22 p.m.

    So I guess the "big conferences" aren't knocking on the door of byu - rather it was byu pushing for the invite.

    From what all the coog fans have stated, they have had invitations from just about every BCS conference except the Big East.

    Go figure.

    The ironic thing here is that in order for byu to be considered a contender for the BCS, the Ute's would have to be invited to join the PAC 10.

    The qwest can once again continue - just hope you don't have to play Utah.

    Go Utes!!!