Oh wow ute4life, you sound like one of the yoot fans who likes to claim that
utah's win over Alabama was good enough to make you guys national champs. Right?
Yeah I though so. U don't even understand how the system works, both u and Whitt
voting yourselves #1. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Losers!
Yes we can tell that you know what you're talking about and you must have been
quite a player yourself...NOT on both points. Talk about being brainless AND
clueless, you win the big prize there, you little woman. Anyone who knows
anything at all about sports knows that a National Championship is worth a heck
of a lot more than any post-season game that is NOT for a championship. But why
do we even bother trying to explain these simple and obvious facts to utah fans
who probably have trouble tying their own shoes, let alone getting them on the
right feet? Two BCS wins in the current system that are not for the NC mean only
as much as any other bowl game that also did not decide the NC. End of story.
Despite the inability of jealous, juvenile Utah fans to accept the truth, your
assessment is spot on.Utah does get some credit for winning a couple
of BCS games, but, in that respect, Boise State receives far more attention for
it's BCS wins, especially the Oklahoma win.From an historical
perspective, nothing speaks more to the quality of a college football program
than:Winning a National ChampionshipandWinning a Heisman Trophyplaying in a BCS game is small potatoes by
Re: No comparison, jealous yoots... seriously? So you're one of those guys that
talks a lot but never played the game? Because anyone that knows anything about
football would never say that a so-called NC is greater than two BCS wins.
That's just flat out brainless. Sorry lil' fella but 2 BCS wins in the current
system is far greater than one so-called NC (even national pundits question the
validity of that game) in the old system. End of story.
question, is lying a sin?
RE:current superiority | 9:25 a.m."As an unbiased objective observer
who recently moved to Salt Lake City from Iowa and is not a fan of either BYU or
Utah (go Hawkeyes!)"Kewg troll alert!
As an unbiased objective observer who recently moved to Salt Lake City from Iowa
and is not a fan of either BYU or Utah (go Hawkeyes!), I would say to the fans
posting to this article that the most common way to determine which program is
"superior" is to look at the most recent seasons. BYU had a better
season in football last year and beat Utah in the rivalry game. BYU is also
doing much better in basketball this season than Utah and beat them once
already. Therefore, both of BYU's programs are currently superior to those of
Utah. None of the ancient history being quoted and posted means much
at this time with the exception of very notable events like BYU's national
championship in football and their Heisman win for Ty Detmer. Believe me, other
schools and their fans outside of Utah are very much aware of these two BYU
The 1944 NCAA/NIT champions matchup was a fund-raising exhibition game.The fact that Utah was beaten soundly in the opening round of the NIT by
Kentucky (46-38), which then lost to St. Johns (48-45), which then beat DePaul
(47-39) to win the NIT, makes moot the fact that Utah later won an EXHIBITION
game against St. Johns.
Sorry, you failed!
"You don't have a clue what you're talking about.In 1944, the NCAA
tournament was the new kid on the block; little brother to the NIT, the most
prestigious tournament of the time."FYI, NIT started in 1938 and
NCAA Tournament in 1939. The NIT champion for 1938 and 1939 were considered the
national champions.Early on the tournaments were played at different
times allowing teams to participate in both. Utah did in 1944, BYU did in
1951.The NIT Champion and the NCAA Champion played each other three
times, 1943, 1944 (Utah), and 1945 with the NCAA Champion winning each time. It
would be hard to say that Utah wasn't the national champion in 1944 based on
this fact!BYU lost in the NCAA Tournament in 1951 then played in and
won the NIT. #1 Kentucky beat #4 Kansas State in the NCAA Tournament
championship game. Note, Kansas State is the team that defeated BYU. Again,
the recognized 1951 NCAA National Champion is Kentucky, winner of the NCAA
Tournament.I hope this helps.
Keep up your ridiculous smack talk about your national championship!! You beat
the 6th place team from a 10 team conference in a pre-new year's bowl game with
$500,000 payday! The big bowls paid teams over 10 times that amount (USC and
Ohio State each received $5,800,000 from the 1985 Rose Bowl).What
that means is FIVE other teams from the Big 10 were invited to BETTER bowl games
with higher paydays! The big boys play in January and the big paydays are ALL
in January.Enjoy bragging about your huge win over 6th place, 6-6
Michigan during a season that byu won all it's games against teams that didn't
finish in the final poll.Being invited to a $17,000,000 per team BCS
game to play against the big boys twice in the past six years, finishing in the
top 5 each time is definately a greater honor.Having to award BYU
the NC for the 1984 season after they took the lead with 1:23 left in the game
against a 6-5 unranked team was the joke of college football. Congratulations
on your NCAA NC "gift"!!
1 Football National Championship > any number of BCS Bowl games that are not for
the NC.Something yoot fans don't seem to get (or refuse to
acknowledge): A BCS bowl game that is not for the NC is just another bowl game
except with a bigger payout.Stop by and see our football National
Championship trophy some time, yoot fans. It's real shiney.
Even if BYU goes one-and-done in the Tournament (which they won't), one-and-done
is still a heck of a lot better than none-and-done.
BYU has been a nationally recognized football program for over 30 years.--Over a dozen National individual awards, including the Heisman
Trophy--a National Championship--a perenniel Top 25
team--a perenniel WAC/MWC championUtah has a couple of
BCS wins, that's it--no National Championship--no
National individual awards, ever--only a handful of Top 25 finishes
and conference championships
By all means look at the whole record. Besides the Lavell days, it's petty
lopsided. Even with the coog dominance in the 70's and 80's Utah still holds a
sizeable lead on you.You are the perfect why fan - make excuse after
excuse until all the bad goes away.Whatever!! I never made the
claim that Utah did anything on the national level in the begining - either did
your school. I was simply talking about the rivalry between the U and the y.Yeah - it was just a "club sport" that should make you feel better.Your jealousy is all too evident in your posts - just admit you would
trade all your Vegas bowl appearences in heart beat for 1 BCS win - to claim
anything otherwise is a joke.Go Utes!!!
than Utah fans making the cut off date 2004 or the BCS era or since Utah developed a pulse in football again in 1992, or
let's just "conveniently" forget the 1970's and 1980's because Utah football
didn't exist then, or let's talk about the overall series record,
but "conveniently" ignore the fact that Utah did absolutely NOTHING on a
national scale during those leather helmet football days when the Utes were busy
beating up on a BYU team that was little more than a club teambtw,
BYA was 3-2 versus Utah in the 1890'sUtah, CONVENIENTLY, includes a
spring scrimmage as a real game, just to even the recordeven in the
1890's, football was a fall sportand no, BYU doesn't leave out the
BYA days because the Cougars lost most of their gamesBYU omits the
BYA days because BYU didn't even have a football team from the late 1890's until
1922If you're going to spout off, at least no what you're talking
about and use real facts instead of pulling them out of your backside.
How many decades did you have to go back to compile your list for BYU?The list for Utah covers the lowlights for just the past 5 years.
that's convenient to leave off the Fiesta Bowl year. That is
typical byu behavior - look at history with your blue coog glasses on. Only
look at what makes you look the best. Much like how your school views the
complete football records between the two schools - not counting the brigham
young academy days in football because they lost almost all of them yet counting
that record in basketball because they had a better outcome.Anyway
you look at it the Ute's have accomplished more in both football and basketball
than your beloved coogs.Explain and rationalize away until you feel
better - but we all know the truth.Congratulations on your recent
number of NCAA tournament appearences. That is huge! Except when you lose all
of them!!! Yes Utah was a 5th seed last year and they got beat in
the 1st round. That only proves they were better than the coogs last year.I know byu likes to blame all of their NCAA tournament losses on their
seed - I can't wait to hear the excuse this year.Oh yeah good job on
the win last night Utes.Go Utes!!!
how Utah fans dismiss BYU's 1984 National Championship and 1996 Cotton Bowl win
as too far in the past to be relevant;yet their 1998 NCAA finals run
and 1944 NCAA tournament championship are relevant.What about Utah's
1947 NIT championship?Or BYU's 1951 and 1966 NIT championships?Can you say "HYPOCRITS"!Tell me Utah fans, what exactly has
Utah done since 1998 to make some real noise that fans outside the Utah bubble
would recognize.What exactly is Utah's statute of limitations on
what time frame is and isn't relevant?5 years10 years20
years30 years50 yearsor in the case of 194466 years?2/3 of a century?!
"The NCAA has always awarded the winner of the NCAA Tournament as the National
Champions."You don't have a clue what you're talking about.In 1944, the NCAA tournament was the new kid on the block; little brother to
the NIT, the most prestigious tournament of the time.If that wasn't
the case, please explain why Utah turned down their initial NCAA invitation to
play in the NIT.It was simply a freak series of events that Utah
even played in the 1944 NCAA tournament.You know that; as does
anybody who has studied the history of college basketball in 1944.Please stop lying about Utah winning a national championship in 1944.It simply isn't so.
"Stay absolutely classy Ute losers."BYU nation must be so proud.
Sorry Utah fan, a couple of great seasons in your entire history does not a
program make.As much as Utah fans may like to believe otherwise, BYU
is the MWC kingpin around the country.30 years of being a perennial
Top 25 team AND winning a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP carries ALOT more cachet than a
couple of flash-in-the-pan seasons, no matter how good they were.Even in their best decade ever, with BYU having it's worst stretch of football
in the last 50 years, Utah still couldn't match BYU in Top 25 finishes.1 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP > 2 BCS wins17 Top 25 Finishes > 5 1/2 Top
25 FinishesYou can disagree all you want, but that's just the way it
is.Get back to us when Utah manages more Top 25 finishes in a decade
I LOVE how Ute fans jump all over BYU fans for talking about a National
Championship in football back in 1984 "reliving the past" etc, etc., yet they
quickly turn around and talk about their final four appearances, yada, yada,
yada like it's different for them digging up the past. Stay absolutely classy
Really, that impressed with a win on the worst team?Boylen and ute
co will finish at 6th. Sub .500and found wishing
they played in Provo.It's funny, because they did once: and lost.
RE:Recent FB History | 12:31 p.m.Yes Cougar fan I’ve seen your
stats many many times. But again, your missing the point -I’m talking
NATIONAL significance. Really now, does anyone outside of the bubble know (or
care) that BYU was ranked and average of #16 over the past 5 years? But does
the NATION know about Boise State? How about TCU? And of course Utah? The
answer is simple, YES.What do all three of these teams have in
common? They performed BIG when it counted. Go ahead and feel good about being
“good”. But get back to me when your team has something that sports
fans around the nation are slightly interested in.There are dozens
of “good” little programs all around the nation that chest pump the
same way but it only goes so far.
To the fans that think BYU's two NIT championships were at a time where the NIT
was more prestigious that the NCAA championship, think again! The NCAA has
always awarded the winner of the NCAA Tournament as the National Champions.1966 NCAA Final Four: Texas Western(UTEP), Kentucky, Duke, Utah. UTEP
beat Kentucky for the National Championship (please refer to movie: Glory Road).
Jerry Chambers of Utah was Final Four MVP.1966 NIT Championship:
BYU beat NYU (no movie. Oh, NYU stands for New York University).1951 NCAA Championship: Kentucky over Kansas State1951 NIT
Championship: BYU over Dayton (FYI, Kansas State beat BYU in the 2nd round of
the NCAA Tournament so BYU played in the NIT and won it).1947 NIT
Championship: Utah over KentuckyFYI, Utah doesn't claim to be
National Champions in 1947 because the NCAA clearly recognizes the NCAA
Tournament winner as the National Champions.National Championships:
Utah 1, BYU 0NIT Championships: BYU 2, Utah 1
"When I checked the half-time score I thought I had tuned into a Junior Jazz
game by mistake"Yea, same team that beat UNLV twice this year. You
know, the team that beat tds by 20. Remember? no?Bwahah ha ha ah ah
When I checked the half-time score I thought I had tuned into a Junior Jazz game
by mistake. 19-19 and that with utah scoring at the buzzer to tie it up? If I
hadn't seen that for myself I would have thought the final score was for the
"Only team to lose to SW Baptist, now that is history and tradition!!!"Aw come on know Kewgs. You have some tradition as well. Just look at these
“powerhouses” who have skinned the basketball pelt off the might
Kougars.RicePacificPepperdineSouth AlabamaBoise State (numerous times)LamarMorgan State
Utah2005 7-5, 4-4 MWC (4th) unranked2006 8-5, 5-3 MWC (3rd)
unranked2007 9-4, 5-3 MWC (3rd) unranked2008 13-0, 8-0 MWC (1st)
#2/#4, Sugar Bowl champs2009 10-3, 10-3 MWC (3rd) #18/#18BYU2005 6-6, 5-3 MWC (2nd) unranked2006 11-2, 8-0 MWC (1st)
#16/#152007 11-2, 8-0 MWC (1st) #14/#152008 10-3, 6-2 MWC (3rd)
#25/#212009 11-2, 7-1 MWC (2nd) #12/#12SummaryTop 25
finishes: BYU 4 Utah 210+ win seasons: BYU 4 Utah 2MWC
championships: BYU 2 Utah 1BCS games: BYU 0 Utah 1Head-to-head: BYU
3 Utah 2Overall:BYU 49-15 (77%) almost identical to Rose's
winning %Utah 47-17 (73%)4 of the last 5 years, BYU has
finished ahead of Utah in the MWC.3 of the last 4 years, BYU has
beaten Utah head-to-head, in Top 25 finishes, and in 10+ win seasons.Even in football, BYU is STILL Utah's Big Brother.
We will be saying bye bye to Boylen at the end of the season. We need to back to
our BYU thumping days again. Soon!!
coming right up
@Boylen@10:35 am - You said it best! That SHOULD be Boylen's starting line-up,
but of course, that's surely not the case! That happens to be the best
suggestion of a line-up since the season began. Hey, what's your current
profession? Maybe you could take Boylen's job since he doesn't seem to know how
to do it or maybe replace his incompetent assistants. Send Hill your
resume...surely if he gave the job to Boylen, you're a great candidate as well.
Awww the BYU glory years of the disco 1970’s & 80’s when you
actually had something on a NATIONAL scale to talk about. I wonder, if I could
research these historic “treasures” on microfilm or is it recorded
on a cave wall?Utah? Well let’s just say we have a few
NATIONAL accomplishments that actually happened in the age of the personal
computer.Sweet 16 2005BCS Sugar Bowl 2008
Only team in mountain west conferenc history to have a 5 seed and lose to a 12
seed. Only team in MWC to lose in the CBI. Only team to lose to SW Baptist,
now that is history and tradition!!! Can you say non and done again this year.
The CBI called and they are looking for a better team.
I think the CBI tournament folks were quite impressed by this incredible victory
and excellently played and coached game. And The Ten Foot Wall did score a point
I can’t agree with you more! Kewg fan takes the polar opposite position
when they talk basketball vs. football. So pathetic and very typical.
I’ve come to expect nothing less from TDS.
Good job, Utes. By beating the worst MWC team you almost improved to .500!
At least Utah has danced all the way to the Championship game in the BIG Dance
(64 teams in NCAA Tourney). When's the last time BYU even made a final 4? How
about NEVER! The cougs best finish was an elite 8 showing in 1981 (48 teams in
BYU won the NIT twice when the NIT was bigger than the NCAA tourney.
Funny how 'Recent History' is the most important when talking about y basketball
but when we're talking about y football... we're going back to the 80's and
90's. So which one is it? Recent history or distant past? Can't use
both for your pathetic arguments.
--Has appeared in 5 straight post-season tournaments (1 NIT, 4 NCAA)--Has won 3 straight MWC championships (soon to be 4)--Has not had
a double-digit losing season in the last 5 seasons2005-2006 20-9
NIT2006-2007 25-9 NCAA2007-2008 27-8 NCAA2008-2009 25-8
NCAA2009-2010 26-3 NCAAOverall 123-37 (77%)Who is
now clearly the BIG BROTHER in basketball?It's not even close!BYU!!!
--As a #5 seed, got blown out by a #12 seed in their last NCAA appearance.--Has only been to one Big Dance in the last five seasons.--Has only won one MWC championship (shared with BYU and NM) in the last five
seasons.--Has had 2 (going on 3) losing seasons in the last five
seasons.--Has suffered double-digit losses in every one of the last
five seasons.2005-06 14-152006-07 11-192007-08 18-152008-09 24-102009-10 13-14Overall 80-73 (52%)
This is the Utes best lineup;BrownWashburnHendersonHinesWatkinsBut you will never see it because Boylen loves
Foster (no heart) Tavita (no talent) and Drca (no brains).
"Hey all you Utes. Thanks again for the history lesson. I am a slow learner but
I am starting to get the picture. Let me review"First off, Why do
Kewg trolls constantly complain about how insufferable Ute fans are — and
then post hate filled comment on UTE ARTICLES? Because BYU=
Hypocrites.Second, Let’s review Kewg history — shall
we.BASKETBALL1)Have not won a NCAA tournament game in
nearly 20 years.2)Has ZERO players in the NBAFOOTBALL1)Has never reached a BCS bowl game- 4 other non BCS teams have reached this
goal within the last 6 years2)Has gone 3-8 against the Utes.3)Will
remain in a Mid major conference as rivals Utah and TCU will move into a BCS
Great adjustments at half. Going small was huge as both Washburn and Foster we
ineffective against AF's small lineup and constant motion. 2nd half was
dominated by the Utes, and the important thing is they won. Let's finish up the
last 3 with wins and have some good momentum as a very dangerous team in the
tourney.As always, a Boylen believer and proud of it.Go
Re: 'Just Think'... "NOT!" Seriously? Did you just use the word "NOT!" in that
context? So I can assume you're wearing a neon green t-shirt, fanny pack,
bermuda shorts and tevas with socks? Nice post... you came real strong on that
one. Re: Anonymous @8:21... your fellow fans are the ones that
needed the lesson. If you morons are going to post erroneous information you are
going to be corrected. At least the Utes have a history to talk about. What have
your lil' kittens done recently... check that... EVER?
Utah won the NCAA championship so long ago that the NCAA tournament was't even
the most prestigious tournament.Like the NIT is today, in 1944, the
NCAA tournament was the little brother to the NIT.In other words,
the LITTLE DANCE.Utah's own actions prove this. The Utes turned down
their initial invitation to the "little dance" in order accept their invitation
to the BIG DANCE of the day, the NIT.Utah got LOST in the opening
round of the NIT to Kentucky.A little fact that Utah fans
conveniently choose to ignore when reciting their basketball "history".
Utah is starting to build momentum. I can see them as a dark horse in the MWC
tournament (especially since they've proven they can beat UNLV in Vegas). Keep
up the Ws, and we'll see you next week.
LaVar the Utah Cat is the MAN! If he sees it, I KNOW the coaching staff sees it!
Tavita, on a good day, CANNOT out-guard Hines! Hines IS a true point AND
shooting guard, but NO ONE KNOWS IT BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY KEEP HIM BENCHED! I
would bet my life savings on it that if they let him loose, they would NEVER
bench him AGAIN! I hope like heck, he gets out of there and go somewhere where
his skills are acknowledged and appreciated. He had 8 pts in the short amount
of time he played and there were several players that didn't get any pts and
played almost the entire game! Even a AFA fan said Henderson did ok, but it was
ther OTHER guard that wore them out...that, my friend, was HINES in case you
didn't know! And to make it worse, no one mentioned his contributions to the
game. It is ALWAYS a Henderson affair, even when he plays like crap! WOW!
Instead of Go Utes, I gotta say, Go Figure on this one!
Keep up the momentum and stick it to the Pokes! I seriously think that they can
make a tournament run and suprise people in Vegas.NIT here we
come!Why are kewgie fans on here? Did you enjoy reading about the
Once again, why is Tavita playing major minutes for the Utes? Zero points
against AF (nearly two points under his average); poor defense in this game with
four fouls. Hines was vastly superior in this game to Tavita. Even the tv
announcers were saying, don't bother guarding Tavita; he's not a threat, guard
the other four. If Utah's coaches, continue to play Tavita, then they will
continue to lose many games. It is comparable to playing 4 against 5 when you
Hey all you Utes. Thanks again for the history lesson. I am a slow learner but
I am starting to get the picture. Let me review. You used to be
good in basketball. You used to have a good coach. You have had 2 good seasons
in football. You beat BYU 1/2 the time in football for a few years. You
dominated the 1800s and early 1900s in football. Congrats on your decent, not
necessarily recent, history.
Utah has won a National Championship in basketball and been to four Final Fours,
neither of which your precious Coogs can say.1993....Keep saying
that year. It has been 17 years since you have even tasted what it feels like
to play on Saturday in the tournament.Andre Miller won as many
tournament games in his four years as BYU has in their lifetime.
Oh, yeah, funny thing, but Utah has won an NCAA national basketball chapionship.
True story. Look it up!And, Utah appeared in the sweet 16 in 2005.
Let's see, when was the last time any other team from Utah was in
the Sweet 16...?
"The program that has won a gazillion NCAA games, but has never won a national
championship, and has now fallen so low that nowadays it misses the Big Dance
more often than not." You felt compelled to say this after the Utes
won? Take your hate and shortcomings over to the Kewg articles. Ok?
Come on and give me a break!!!!The yewts didn't put us through the
grinder!!! If we would have rebounded a couple more offensive boards, we would
have won!And don't forget the miss call by the refs in the 3rd
quarter that would have given us the lead and maintained our momentum.Freshman Marsha Hendrickson did okay, but it was the other point guard that
did us in!!!!The yewts are going to be beaten badly at BYU.GO
FALCONS........you're the BEST!!!!!!!!!!!
I love Boylen. Dr. Hill, please keep him. He is awesome for the program and
really knows how to coach. Not only that, but his personality is PERFECT for
the U of U. You might as well laugh at yourself too while everyone else is.
The program that has won a gazillion NCAA games, but has never won a national
championship, and has now fallen so low that nowadays it misses the Big Dance
more often than not.
Um... have you ever thought that those drives are a result of Air Force's
offense? The Utes' top priority IS defense. Utah actually is quite the defensive
team this season. The Utes are leading the conference in blocked shots and in
three-point shooting defense. The Utes also shot 50 percent from the field
against the Falcons while holding Air Force to their lowest point total of the
Cougars have a good year and everyone is talking smack!! Isn't this the same
program that is 11-29 in NCAA Tournament games? Isn't this the program that
doesn't have a single ex-cougar on an NBA roster? Isn't this the cougar program
that has never played in a final four, one elite eight and two sweet sixteen
games all time?Hahahahahaha keep on talking your smack! Can you say
one-and-done?!!!! Ignorant and arrogant simultaneously? Isn't that a rather
odd combination? Only in the bubble??Good road win Utes. Keep
improving. Two more tune up wins then the MWC Tournament.Go UTES!!
This is why they harp about people spending Waaayyy too much time playing games
on the computer and losing touch with reality.
I thought one of the top priorities was defense. This season is gone, but I saw
Air Force take two of the most open drives ever witnessed in major college
basketball. Wide open and totally uncontested drives should not occur this late
in the season against a team that is average at best.
I am not a big supporter of the cougar race as I am a bobcat and we fight over
the terrain for food and survival. But I despise Utes even more for they try
hunt us as food. For this they shall be slain by our clan and the cougars shall
join us in this battle!!!
nothing but coog fans posting on yet another Utah article.Keep
talking please - it will just make it even better when we beat you next week.You should all probably stop talking trash at this point in the season -
it's getting very close to the time that your team completely falls appart and
leaves all you to come up with excuses of why you can't get past the first round
yet again.It's true the Utes aren't that great this year but they
still have better wins than the mighty coogs.Can't wait for the
Nice Finish! Great Job Utes! Go get dem Pokes den skin them kitty katz down
south next wed!!! GOOO UTES!!!!!
Oh wait, that was supposed to be Utah's job. What's the dealio?
Either you're hating, or your getting nervous... can't think of any other reason
to post the drivel I'm seeing here.
Just Think Yewts, one more victory and you'll be a mighty .500 on the season.
Chick ball might be more entertaining
that the Utes aren't very good this yearI think we already get it
I feel sorry for all fans who saw this game. 19 at halftime Utes? You were
playing Air Force. And by the way, holding them to 19 is not nearly as
impressive as being held to 19 yourself is embarrassing.
that don't belong on tv...even the lowly Mtn
utes are real weak!
Watch out Coogers next Wednesday! You are gonna get it.
what a beast!