Higher education could dip into K-12 with SB55
I go to Itineris and it is not only one of the best things I have ever done but
one of the hardest. I have worked in construction 20 hour days and not been as
drain as some of us have at Itineris. Takeing 16/17 and maybe 18 credits for two
years so that we can have that time to do what ever we want. We came to Itineris
because we knew what we wanted and we had to work for it. Not only is it the
best school that I have gone to and I am not saying that it is for everyone if
you are a very social person and like your sports then it is probly not for you.
But me and my brothers have all gone to Itineris and some of our best friends
are people that we have met there. That is all because we all know what everyone
has done to get where they are and we have done it our selves. Another thing is
that I tineris has great teachers that will do anything for their students and
love their jobs doing it.
You are all stupid it isnt the way that the schools get money or who the
teachers are. It is because the students dont care about education they know
that they can fail everything till graduation and they can still get credit.
That is the biggest problem take china for example you get to go to school the
first time that you start to fail you are out and you have no way to live unless
you can prove yourself or your family has enough to pay people to teach you and
at that you have to want it. that is the problem that we have in America is no
child left behind and all the children dont care.Pull your heads out and take
responsiblity. We spend so much money and student dont have to work for it. By
the way I go to Itineris and it is the best program I have ever looked at you
actually have to work for gradution. No short cuts.
Despite some strong programs, the overall public school system in Utah and the
USA is an failing. It is difficult for some proud educators to admit.It is quite
clear that some US schools do well with little money and others fail with a lot
of money (California). It is poor policy, dumbing down and lack of
accountability that is much of the problem. Citizens who care about the quality
of their child's education demand options, instead of putting their heads in the
Change is needed- I teach in a public school. I have 15 computers, a projector,
GPS Units, Video Camera, Digital cameras and other technology I use in my
classroom. My students research topics and create products like video
documentaries and Google Earth flights. I teach web design, CAD, History,
Algebra, Word Processing and many other things. It is offensive to me when
someone generalizes to imply that I am not serving my students. It is generally
a lack of funding that creates the lack of technology in most classrooms. It is
rarely because the teachers don't use it because they don't know how.
This is a good idea but why can't we offer more concurrent enrollment programs
at the local high schools?
USU has already had a charter school. The faculty and staff are USU employees,
the building is on USU property, and the donation I made to the school was
acknowledged by the school and Dean with a nice letter and an official USU
receipt.So where they breaking the law?
@Monsieur le prof -- the problem with the American public school is that it is
antiquated. Rules and regulations are designed to herd students rather than
educate them. It is time to stop defending th establishment. Instead,
educators for once need to be introspective about how and why they are behind
the times. Technology in schools doesn't keep pace with business.
Why? Educators argue it is lack of funding, yet when tools are made available
they aren't used because teachers don't know how to use them.Yet --
students do. They blog, text, email, IM, facebook and chat and in doing so live
in a world many teachers simply ignore. Educators outlaw these as a distraction
to education instead of embracing new ways to teach. Why aren't we educating
from a distance? Why is lecture still the preferred method of pedagogy despite
its ineffectiveness? My son has learned more about history from video games than
from his history classes!What we need is a modernized system that
stops spending so much money on bricks and mortar in which to house our children
as an old-fashioned daycare and instead teaches them how to succeed in the
I'm tired of ignorant people bad-mouthing public education in Utah. No school is
any better than its students and parents. When you compare apples to apples,
public schools are every bit as good (and sometimes better) as charter and even
private schools. No teacher or school holds its best students back.We have AP and International Baccalaureate classes as well as college classes
being taught on high levels and our students do very well nationally. There is
no catering to the lowest common denominator other than treating all students
with respect and loving them for what they are as individuals.Because of their size, public schools have the ability to offer incredible
music, drama, debate, and sports opportunities for those who want to widen their
horizons. We take in handicapped, low-performing and non-English
speaking students because Americans believe in educating everyone. And we polish
our own rough edges by rubbing shoulders with them, not looking down on them. Home school or charter school your children if you like, but don't put
down one of our greatest national assets, the American public school. It does an
incredible job with what its given.
thrived at our new charter school, Excelsior Academy, in Tooele County.My first grader reads at a 5th grade level and is not punished for it. This
would not be possible in our old public school system. They would have him read
down several levels to allow the ESL students to feel good about themselves. This is what is wrong with public schools. They cater to the lowest
common denominator in academic achievement. We need to advance our brightest and
best students. They will innovate and create and build our country better than
what it is now. They are truly the future of America. Why hold them
back?As for thinking out of the box and graduating kids with
associates degrees from High School, I say bravo! What a great idea! Kids in certain provinces in Canada have an option for grade 13 which is
equivalent to Freshman, Sophomore college classes. Its about time we compete
with the rest of the world.The old ways pf relying on bad public
education systems will not work. We need more excellence in our educational
system. Don't stop it now that its working.Parent of three charter
Some students at Itineris have only a few classes to take during their spring
semester of senior year. This is simply because they have completed most, if not
all, requirements for high school graduation and an Associate's Degree during
prior semesters. The few classes they have, then, are either taken because
they're enjoyable or because they are required classes not available during
earlier semesters.To imply that students at Itineris don't work as
much as those at traditional high schools is ridiculous. Students like Ciara who
have "a couple hours to kill" deserve it. 16 or so credit hours for a couple
years without stopping is enough to warrant any high school student a break.
Wouldn't it be great if the regular public scholls could just kick kids out that
they didn't want? Hey if your parent doesn't spend 10 hours a week at the
schoold you can't come any longer. Charter schools aren't public schools in any
sence of the word except they get public money. They don't act the same. They
don't have to take any kid in their bounderis. They require parent involvment.
They aren't required to have busses.
This article is absurd. I GO to Itineris Early College High School; neither of
the pictures of students who purportedly go to Itineris are accurate. Both are
of JATC students who attend the same building, but are students who split their
time between their boundary schools and the JATC. Neither engineering nor CNA
classes are available at Itineris, which ACTUALLY focuses on science and
mathematics. Search for “itineris” on Google and click the second
result for a far more accurate view of what our school is actually about.Furthermore, this article makes it sound like students at Itineris do
very little all day. A class or two, maybe, and free time the rest of the day.
As if. I have taken about 16 credit hours each semester for the past 2 years,
including 17 credit hours over this past summer. As such, my winter break was
longer than my summer break. All this was done so I would be able to receive an
Associate's Degree at the end of this year. This is not at all out of the
Maybe public schools will be forced to follow the charter school model(s).
Removal of expensive after school programs that don't fit the "mission
statement" would save money. Removal of bussing would save money and place that
burden on the parents.Now public high schools try to fit athletics,
performing arts, technical education, and college prep into their mission
statement. They also must have significant ESL programs, special education
programs etc. There are some students in our schools, because of their
handicaps cost a million dollars to educate - and the the traditional
district/schools must provide those services.Charter schools have a
significant advantage, and parents who can find a match to their child's needs
should jump at the chance at getting them enrolled.
It's about time we think outside the box when it comes to high school students.
Those who are ready to move on should be able to do so.
Charter schools get their money from the same place as public schools -- the
state legislature.There are other options for students in addition
to Itinerus -- AP classes, concurrent college courses, etc. School, as in life,
is what you make it. Work hard, take on extra challenges, and you will be
rewarded. Many people do not succeed in life because "Success" is really just
plain old fashioned hard work and they aren't willing to put in the time and
Charter schools and the legislation that started them most definitely got us
into this mess. I didn't vote for Stephenson or any other guy with an R behind
his name. R in Utah doesn't mean the same thing as R in the rest of the
country.Charter schools are NOT cheaper. They claimed they were
going to be but go back and look at what has happened. Each year they have
asked for and received more money. Some of that has come straight from the real
schools. Each district sends money to the charters even if the students that
attend them are from out of district boundaries.It is a complete
mess and we don't have the money to clean it up.
Concern - $$$ Innovation and Teaming with colleges - A+If I
had a child going to school in Utah my hope would be to get them into one of
these Charter School opportunities or a HS that co-ops with one of our good
Technolgy Training School/Colleges. These appear to be the best options in
Utah.Dollars/funding is always a concern in Utah with all of large
families. However, public education innovatives such as this one seem to be a
superior option for college bound youth.
Um...charter schools are public schools, and the students there take all the
same tests that all the other students take in Utah. I just spent a week giving
our charter school sophomores the UBSCT.
Just another rearranging of the deck chairs on the sinking ship of education in
Utah. I find it disturbing that this innovating charter school has so much down
time for their students. Psychology, surfing the internet and filling out
college applications. What an impressively stimulating academic environment!
Here's an innovating idea. Adequately fund your public schools.
Charter schools did not get us into a mess. That would be the state
legislature. Since you and I voted, ultimately it is our own fault public
education is what it is. Think about it for a moment.Charter
schools are a cheaper school model and have a long proven track record for
providing both choice and quality to a child's education. This change allowing
Universities and Colleges the ability to charter is long over due. Higher
education will finally be able to show us HOW to build and operate a K12 school
the best way.
Sounds like a good way to get the best use out of higher education facilities &
prep kids for college. One of the biggest complaints on these boards is that
Utah students are not prepared for college.
Too bad public schools don't have the opportunities like charter schools. It
would be great not to have to take standardized tests and to do whatever we
wanted to as a staff.
Charter schools do not have defined boundaries. Anyone in the state can attend
any charter school, as long as you win the enrollment lottery. The
same is really true of district schools too. If the district school is not
closed to outside their boundaries enrollment, anyone can apply to attend. We
are an "Open Enrollment" state.
Technically you can go to any public school because of the Utah open enrollment
act, not just the one next door. As we all know, schools don't want the
competition factor so they highly discourage people out of the boundaries to
enroll.Charter Schools are free public schools and are open to
anyone. The only downside is that if there is no space, you must submit to a
lottery and wait your turn. The best schools have the longest wait lists.
Yeah let's start more charter schools.We are overflowing with money
right now.This is definitely the time to finance more and more
"innovation".Charter schools are what got us into this whole mess in
the first place.If the legislature hadn't made the charter mess, we
would be fine. Instead we are now underfunding two education
programs.Seriously someone needs to get a clue.
Charters have no real boundaries. The students do usually need to get their own
Frankly I think all these different schools are annoying and bad for kids. Just
my two cents.
Is a student required to live in the same district boundries of the charter
school? For example, the school being used as an example is in Jordan District,
but could someone from Granite District attend or would another charter school
need to be open at the redwood campus? Also, does this mean that students at
the new district (Canyons?) would be excluded?