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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 24 2010 12:00 a.m. MST

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A Lot is two words. You'll look less stupid...

re --- Abe Lincoln | 4:25 p.m

["spoken like a true anti-religious homosexual nazi."]

hahaha - abe - you're funny. I'm a straight white guy in my 50s, who spent 4 years defending this country so you could say things like that. so cool - I hope you feel better.

["you know you are wrong but you have to take away others reasons in order to gain acceptance. what about you? aren't you just reapeting what you were taught? i doubt all your arguments are your own and that you didn't learn them from anyone."]

I'm not even sure what you are talking about now - I'm still laughing at your first statement...

but you can use whatever reasons you want to do whatever you want. if you use logic and provide us thinking people with reasonable reasons for something to be not allowed then you will get a reasonable response. but as soon as you say "it's against God" or any other such nonesense, you lose everyone. It's not that we don't believe in God - it's that you have no better idea of what God is against than we do. and God is logical - but you are not.


re: One Plus One Equals Three


Organized Religions i.e. Evangelicals & the LDS faith will occasionally form alliances when the purpose suits both sides. 98% of the time; its all about my God is better than yours.

re - Anonymous | 4:41 p.m

["You say that boycotting is not an attack.
I'll have to ponder that a while to understand how that assertion came to be formed."]

"attack" to me means to do things which are not legal, or are violent in nature. Boycotting is neither.

re: concerned Christian

"We are under attack from the socialists, commies and secularists and we must recognize it and defeat them."

For your penance look up PARANOID PERSONALITY DISORDER - then give a good act of contrition.

Northern Lights

re -- Lynn | 2:09 p.m wrote: [you want religious freedom? keep religion where is belongs. in your home, your church, and your mind.

keep it out of our schools and our laws.]

In my opinion, this is lies at the heart of the matter. These ideas are some of the very "attacks" that have and are resulting in restricting the freedom of worship for Americans - slowly and gradually.

This is a war of ideas where I, too, will always advocate the separation of church and state - through continued guarantees of religious liberty and freedom.

Abuse of freedom of

You don't believe in abortion: Don't have one
You don't believe in Gay marrage: Marry somebody from the opposite sex
Why do you feel attacked? Nobody wants to attack you.
LDS love to play their paranoia and feel like their pioneer ancestors. Catholics love martirdom.
Sorry guys, we don't want to hurt you. We just want for you to live your life and let other people live their lives. Is that too much to ask?
Sorry, if you want for us to validate your religious life and help to go to heaven by attacking you. Is not going to happen.....But, we will not allow you to take our freedom as members of a secular society.

Tax them & they have more rights

Re:re --- Beth

["anyone demanding revoking tax-exempt status for that sole reason is indeed trying to strip away some rights. You don't have to like what I say, but I have a right to say it free of government sanctions"]

"agreed. but I for one see NO reason for churches to have a tax-exempt status. it has nothing to do with your "position" on things - I just don't see why you should have it."

If you don't see a reason why churches should not be tax exempt lease start with organizations like the ACLU and Human Rights Commission who are also tax exempt and who actively participate in the "No on 8" campaign.

If your reasoning has nothing to do with a churches position being religious in nature then you should not feel a need to single out churches in your post and would be more educated about how almost all of the organizations and groups involved in the "No on 8" campaign were tax exempt.

"(I see no difference between a religion and any other "club".)"

I agree with you. If they are tax exempt then they can be as involved as taxed entities


walk with me please...

I am free to worship as I please provided I do not infringe on your freedom. I can swing my fist in the air in a circle as long as I do not strike you.

Freedom of religion runs both ways. You can pray on the city's streets, but not block traffic and endanger people in the process of your actions. You can pray all you want, silently, anywhere you wish. You can even say AMEN any time and place you wish, unless you are interfering with medical emergencies, etc.

The Catholics and the Mormons want to dominate and control. They only want the chance to tell us all what to do and when to do it. I prefer the way things are now: I am free to worship as I please provided I do not interfere with your rights to worship as you please.

I learned that basic lesson from Jesse Nyle Washburn, one of the greatest teachers American FOrk High School and Utah ever had. He was precious, and he would be laughing out loud at all of this garbage by the two dominating Utah religions. JN, we miss you.


The more Catholic Bishops and LDS elders try to push their religion's dogma down other American's throats, the more you'll receive an antagonistic response. I am 56 yo, and never in my life have churches tried to dominate politically like they have in the last decade. In a civil pluralistic society, the citizens don't want to know your beliefs, and don't care what you believe, as long as you don't force it on them.
It was once thought the epitome of being rude and ill mannered to discuss religion or politics at social getherings...those were the days!




Reading all these posts saying "Hey, what all the fuss. There is no religious discrimination." reminds of a bunch of white guys sitting in the front of a bus in Alabama in the 1940's saying; "What's all the fuss..."

The good Cardinal's words are worth a moment of consideration.


These religions want their dogma and corporate structures protected. And Christianity not practicing Christianity is its biggest threat. I'm LDS and feel that churches are straying from what they should be, and to some extent that includes my own church.

Clueless Posters

I keep seeing people post garbage about the LDS church losing its tax exempt status for participating in the political process. I'm sorry, but you people have no clue about what you are talking about. Do you know how many tax exempt churches and other charitable organizations go so much further than the LDS church's activity in prop 8. It's one thing to encourage your membership to donate time and money or even push a specific bill using your media department, it's quite another to specifically endourse particular candidates and political parties and even encourage members to support specific campaigns. These are all things which occur frequently in our country by tax exempt entities. How many african american church leaders openly campaigned for Barack Obama? How many christian pastors openly campaigned for Huckabee? Isn't Jesse Jackson's organization given tax exempt status? I'm sorry, but the LDS church's involvement in Prop8 doesn't even approach the sort of activities that would bring its tax exemption into question. Anyone suggesting otherwise is extremely naive of the tax code.


you guys need to stop blogging and get a life

Freedom of Religion

Many people on this board have apparently twisted the freedom of religion protected under the constitution to invalidate every religious individual's ability to vote consistent with his or her conscience. Passing laws using your moral compass if you are religious is somehow "jamming religion down everyone's throat." This train of thought is wrong and wholly inconsistent with the U.S. Constitution. Every law ever passed, including the U.S. Constitution, is based in part on some degree of morality or the general populace's concept of right and wrong. If my concept of right and wrong is very strongly influenced by my religion it doesn't make it any less valid than an aetheist's concept of right and wrong based on a particular philosophy. I know aetheists who are vehemently opposed to gay marriage and mormons who strongly support it, but neither is "jamming" their philosophy or religion down my throat by voting based on what they believe is right and wrong, it's called government.

@Concerned Christian 5:24 p.m.

that is so christ like of you he must be so proud.


first off there is no law preventing you from singing or praying in public, you cannot force others to join you but you can pray and sing all you want.
secondly you have the right to spend your money any way you want when it comes to politics and you can even express those beliefs as a candidate (which most candidates do) what you cannot do is take away my right to challenge your beliefs when you bring them into the public square and you cannot force me to join you in your singing and prayer if you choose to do so in a public square. You cannot force TV stations to only air things you do not find offensive just like I cannot stop them from airing religious programing. you have the right to express yourself and otter's have a right to express apposing points of view, its that simple.


No one is assaulting your religious freedom. You just want a free pass to spout your bigotry. Times have changed. You can no longer hide behind your religion and at the same time promote your own brand of hatred.


Remember when art or literature could be outlawed as "obscene"? When a priest had some influence on his parishioners? When the Founding Fathers were the good guys? When most people went to church? When kids prayed in public schools? When powerful speakers like Dr. Martin Luther King used both biblical and patriotic allusions to effect change? When every town had a Nativity display in the square, and every school had a Christmas (not holiday)program? When divorce was rare? When not everyone knew someone with an addiction or an STD? When junior high kids knew more about Jesus than about sex? I do remember all of those things. Those times weren't perfect, but most people valued family, God, and country. In our media and academic environments of today, believers are curiosities, at best. Often, they are reviled and/or laughed to scorn. Saying something is a "sin" is considered intolerant, unrealistic, and arrogant. I read a lot of college-student writing, and I can tell you: Religion is only okay with most of Generations X and Y if it doesn't claim that anything is right or wrong. For that reason, religious leaders are concerned, and should be!

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