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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 24 2010 12:15 a.m. MST

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@ BobP

"Anyhting with numbers is heirarcal."

Again, you really don't understand our system of government, do you?

evidence please

Please furnish support that your religion is being taken from you.
Thank you.

to: re --- Janet | 8:15 p.m

""sin" is a religious term meaning "against God". use secular terms (like "it's wrong") instead of "sin" and you'll get more respect."

secularaism itslef is religious. and what do you mean, more respect? are you admitting that you don't respect religion? it sure sounds like it.

nazis also believed

The 3rd Reich with its emphasis on ultra-nationalism also believed it had the right to dictate its religion to all.

I see this is happening in this country under the guise of the modern American conservative movement.

@12:26 p.m.

ho9w is secularaism religious? How do you define religion?

doodleberry

"secularaism itslef is religious...”

If secularism is a religion then "Bald" is a hairstyle...

If secularism is a religion then “Health” is a disease...

If secularism is a religion then “unemployed” is a job...

If secularism is a religion then “starvation” is a meal...

If secularism is a religion then “clear” is a color...

@ @-Yup.....

The facts are staring you in the face, but if you chose not to look, I can't help you and no matter how many references I produce, you won't believe them. So...

Fire up your favorite search engine, and do a search on religious discrimination. I am certain you will be rewarded with thousands of references much too numerous to be quoted here in 200 hundred words or less. When I am presented with a question or an assertion which I want more info on, that's what I do.......I DO MY OWN RESEARCH! Try it, you might like it.

Re: @ Cats | 10:14 a.m.

"How do you know you are not the ones calling evil good and good evil?"

Because I have more than two brain cells to rub together.

Anonymous

" I suspect some criticism could be found somewhere from the Gay community, but it would be miniscule compared to the criticism Catholics and Mormons have received."

If the black churches had it members donate 20 million dollars towards promoting Prop 8 and had it members donate over 80% of the manpower to organize and canvas all of California like the Mormons did, they would be just as criticized.

Face it. Mormons WERE the face of Prop 8. They paid for it and promoted it with thousands of volunteer hours in spite of being only 2% of the population.

That is why you are being targeted. Either be proud of your efforts and accept the criticism, or deny that the church members were so involved with the effort and fund raising. You know what the truth is.

re: @dear Jane | 11:24 a.m.

"how does my right to be from being required to engage in your religious beliefs restrict your right to practice your religion? As has been pointed out many, many times already on this thread you have the right to practice your religion how ever you want you do not have the right to force me to join in or have your religion sanctioned above all others by the government."

Better question is: how did you get any of that from what I said? I agree that the government does not have the right to establish religion or to force religion onto others BUT no one has the right to silence religion simply because they dont like it either. Unfotuntely that happens all the time in the zealotry to enforce the former. And those zealots are generally as oblivious as the religous ones (if not worse)

@ 1:20

"Fire up your favorite search engine, and do a search on religious discrimination. I am certain you will be rewarded with thousands of references...."

So, I did that. Yeah - there are a lot of references. Most of them are descriptions of what religious discrimination is.

Then, you get the ones where Muslims want time off to pray (which Christian employers oppose). And the ones where Jews want off early on Friday so they can be home before the Sabbath begins.

If the employer would have to hire a whole new person, then the religious individual loses - otherwise, religion seems to win.

I also found this headline: "Oregon Legislature repeals ban on religious dress in public schools."

So, the results I am finding indicate that religion is being upheld quite nicely.

I don't think you have any proof that religion is under attack and losing - but thanks for playing victim.

@ 12:26

"secularaism itslef is religious"

secular |ˈsekyələr|
adjective
denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis

religious |riˈlijəs|
adjective
believing in and worshiping a superhuman controlling power or powers, esp. a personal God or gods

The two are opposites. If you don't even have that basic understanding of the issue, how can you effectively participate in the discussion?

Actually though, if you consider secularism to be religious, it certainly would explain the idea that religion is under attack....

re: Anonymous | 1:52 p.m.


You said "You know what the truth is."


As a gay man I also know what the truth is: Gay activists could not politically survive blaming Jews without being labled anti-semitic, Blacks or Latinos wihout being labeled racist, Muslims without being labled intolerant or Catholics or evangelicals because it would simply be inefficient - so the truth is: Mormosm WERE involved and notcably so; all to the convienence of gay fundamentaists who also found them to be the perfect scapegoat for their own failure and intolerance - which is why gay activists do not represent me as a gay man any more than the KKK respresents me as a white man - they merely embarrass me

bottom line

secular fundamentaism is no better than religous fundamentalism

Anonymous

TO --- re: @dear Jane | 11:24 a.m. | 2:00 p.m

["BUT no one has the right to silence religion simply because they dont like it either. Unfotuntely that happens all the time in the zealotry to enforce"]

haven't seen anyone silencing religion yet. when did it happen? give an example.

religious freedom

The Puritans really escaped religious persecution, then they turned right around and attacked anyone who didn't agree with them.

Hmmmm. Let me see, is there a lesson to be learned from history?

@ 1:20 (from 2:08)

Found another one for you:

"Federal judge in Del. throws out suit challenging prayer at school board meetings"

Pagan

'Those of you who defend your immoral lifestyle and criticise the Mormons and Catholics with words like 'civil liberty', think: If I have a pedophile that lives next door to me...' - 1:50 p.m.

'The Gay community does not have the courage to...' - 1:28 p.m.

'I can't stand the constant ignorant, bigoted speach coming from the homosexual crowd.' - 10:04 a.m.

Moderator, I cannot, for the life of me, understand why homosexauls can be called cowards, ignorant, bigoted & comparable to pedophiles is somehow acceptable and not abusive and offensive.

Still waiting for that 'respectable dialogue' many conservatives ask for

but seem unable to give the gay community.

BoM believer from Michigan

Appeasment.

Bruce

The most recent case on prayer in public school is Santa Fe ISD v. Doe. The Santa Fe Independent School District (SFISD) is a school district in Texas between cities Houston and Galveston, allowed students to offer Christian prayers over the public address system at home football games. These prayers were given by an elected student chaplain.

Two sets of current or former students and their respective mothers–one Mormon, the other Catholic–objected to this practice and filed a suit on the basis of a violation of the Establishment Clause. They felt ostracized because they did not share the same beliefs as the majority which were evangelical Christian.

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