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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 24 2010 12:15 a.m. MST

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Anonymous

The 3rd Reich also thought they were the holiest of holies.

Anonymous

re: @cats | 10:41 a.m. Feb. 24, 2010

Here is where the erroneous mantra of "Perception is reality" comes into play.

As Einstein said, "Man should look for what is, not what he thinks should be."

@ BobP

The Bill of Rights is not a hierarchal document - just because something is listed before something else does not mean it is more protected.

The fact that you would use that as an argument shows you have a very poor understanding of our Constitution and the way our government works.

Jon

The ones who accuse others of evil are probably evil themselves. Evil knows evil.

Great Plains Saint

It is nice to know that we have embraced the religion that brought you some 54 million murders during the inquisition and did not condemn Hitler in his murder of six million Jews till it was exposed that the pope blessed Hitler during the war. Is this the religion the book of Mormon warned us against.

Talo

Do we have the freedom to worship where we want? Yes

Do we have the freedom to believe what we want? Yes

Do we have the freedom to preach what we want? Yes

Do we have the freedom to build our places of worship? Yes

Do we have the freedom to speak out about our beliefs without physical and emotional abuse? Yes

Antyime these freedoms are being infringed on, freedom of religion is being taken away.

The threat being talked about is placing conditions on these freedoms, such as "you can preach what you want, as long as you don't preach about this" or "if you do preach about this, you no longer have this."

@dear Jane

how does my right to be from being required to engage in your religious beliefs restrict your right to practice your religion? As has been pointed out many, many times already on this thread you have the right to practice your religion how ever you want you do not have the right to force me to join in or have your religion sanctioned above all others by the government. I fully support your right to religious belief and would defend to the death your right to do so if someone showed up at your church doors and tries to shut you down, tried to fire you simply for your beliefs, refuse to serve you at a restaurant, and so on but your rights do not supersede mine or anyone else’s right.

Pagan

'To Pagan,
If your religion encourages you to discriminate at: work, home, in life, you may want to re-consider that religion.' - 10:54 a.m.

Mc, I hope you are not so foolish as to assume my name is my religion. You would do far better at these assumptions by first asking questions instead of leaping to conclusions.

I am christian. I hope that dosen't offend you. And 'yes' I do think that if your religion encourages you to fire someone on someting BESIDES merit (i.e. their not 'X' religion, not 'X' orientation) you really do need to take a closer look at if you want to support 'X' religion....and the discrimination it supports.

Anonymous

You have the right to practice your religion in any way you see fit...until that way infringes on the lives of others.

If your religion does not support gay marriage, please, don't have one.

Yup, it's for real

I see lots of accusations of one side to the other, allegations of half-truths, paranoia, persecution complexes,et al. I beleive the article was about how a the Catholic Church and the LDS Church have found common ground and decided to act on it. I didn't see anything in the article of past persecutions of the LDS Church, so I dismiss those references. Nothing in the article about "freedom from religion", so that's out. I have seen posts arguing for paganism, aetheism, secularism, and homosexual marriage. I guess the article hit a sore spot and the complaints came out. Continual references to 250 million people wanting this or that, where do those numbers come from?

Bottom line, both churches feel that religious freedom is under attack, and having read articles on it, I must agree. It's for real, it needs to be addressed, and from this article I can assure all here that neither church is going away on this.

Anonymous

...did not condemn Hitler in his murder of six million Jews till it was exposed that the pope blessed Hitler during the war.


Don't forget the LDS churchs' 'proxy' baptisim of Hiler. Done on 12/10/93 in LA california. This offer of 'forgiveness' was done in spite of the estimated 35 million people (including the 6 million jewish) who died during World War II.

Salt Lake Tribune 06/09/09.

Anonymous

Just because others do not agree with your religion, does not mean it is being oppressed.

Re: Great Plains Saint

I agree with you, double standards are double standards. I'm pretty much done with Mormonism. It makes no sense and the history stinks. I am done with all the ridiculous confusion. The rest of you do as you please, but for me I'm done. I hope and pray somehow god will intervene and comes to save us all. I believe in Jesus Christ and God the father and will say no more.

BobP

@BobP

Anyhting with numbers is heirarcal.

Anonymous

And the hatred for anyone outside their group continues to grow.

Anonymous

Religion is true to the common people, false to the wise and useful to politicians.

to ---- Abe Lincoln | 10:32 a.m

["to: re --- Janet | 8:15 p.m

it seems to me that you just hate religion. why?"]

i don't use the word hate - that seems to be a religious term lately.

i do not like organized religion because their main goal is to have everyone conform to their idea of right and wrong, regardless of whether the action harms others.

you don't use logic and reasoning to determine right or wrong - you use old books written by men. you claim they are "God's words" but you don't really know. all of which is fine - but you go beyond that and try to make everyone conform to your ideas.

the goal of religion is to have everyone conform. and that's not at all what God wants. and yet you claim it is.

@yup, it's for real

so once again how is religion under attack exactly? the bottom line is you spot off a lot but dont really say much.

@ Yup, it's for real

So, because the article does not mention a defense against its claims (freedom from religion) you are dismissing any such defense.

You then base your conclusions on feelings.

How about you back up your feelings with some facts - provide some solid data on this supposed attack on freedom of religion. And since the only way you will credit any defenses to those claims is if you provide them yourself, why don't you do that as well?

re - Yup, it's for real | 11:32

["Bottom line, both churches feel that religious freedom is under attack, and having read articles on it, I must agree. It's for real, it needs to be addressed, and from this article I can assure all here that neither church is going away on this. "]

easy to say... but explaining is more difficult. so... how are your religious freedoms being taken away? i haven't seen a legitimate response to the question yet.

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