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Published: Saturday, Feb. 20 2010 12:25 a.m. MST

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Wrong

This is exactly the attitude that permeates society. "It's a good thing so go for it". Where is the fiscal responsibility when needed? If we have NO money, we have NO MONEY! Another case of do as I say not what I do.
Individuals with tight budgets have to WAIT until they can afford it, even if the rates are low. We need to cut spending, not do things because we need it. Prioritize!

Hypocrisy

@ 8:50 am

Boy, am I glad you don't handle my investments! Otherwise, we'd be buying high and selling low, the opposite of what you want.

Right now is the perfect time to invest in our infrastructure and public facilities. Why? The construction costs are low. Half of what they were a few years ago.

UVU's enrollment increases by 3,000 students annually. If our society wants to have facilities for higher education we need to continually update and construct new buildings.

With the building costs cheap, the time to construct is NOW.
With the economy slacking, the time to invest money into the private sector and get those construction companies off to work is NOW.

Please, invest into UVU. Lets get our economy going while investing into our future. The economy isn't going to get better with people like 8:50 AM pinching their pennies, paralyzed with fear, and not investing.

Mike Richards

Education IS important, but is adding infrastructure the same as furthering education?

With the Internet part of everyone's life, isn't there a way to exploit that medium more effectively? Wouldn't it be possible to attend class 50% of the time and use the Internet for teaching the other 50% of the time? The result would be twice as many students being taught without adding one classroom.

How about lab experiments? Couldn't students use computer models to 'study' most lab experiments and only visit the actual physical lab as absolutely necessary?

Is having a student sit in a lecture hall the best way for that student to gain an education? Would interactive media produce faster results with more retention?

There is no hidden source of money. Saying that the economy does not guarantee that anything will ever return to 'normal'. Adding debt, even for education is not reasonable when there are other alternatives.

Try rethinking the problem.

Henderson

"With the Internet part of everyone's life, isn't there a way to exploit that medium more effectively? Wouldn't it be possible to attend class 50% of the time and use the Internet for teaching the other 50% of the time?"

Would you prefer someone to perform surgery on you who has done research on the Internet or has actually seen the real thing?

Show me a study where students taught over the Internet are better taught than those in the classroom then you might actually have a point.

"How about lab experiments? Couldn't students use computer models to 'study' most lab experiments and only visit the actual physical lab as absolutely necessary?"

You obviously didn't study any science or medical field in college... If you ever did obtain a college education...

To answer your question, NO computer models don't take the place of the "real thing."

"Would interactive media produce faster results with more retention?"

Try making a case for this. I would love to see a study proving your point. But until then, you're essentially, you're merely just blowing off hot air.

Tami

So, where do we cut? It's all fine and good to say now is the best time to build, but the bills have to be paid now? Should we cut current staff, programs and classes but build new buildings for the future because rates are low?

Mike Richards

@Hendersen,

Classroom training is becoming a thing of the past outside of the 'education system'. I once spent most of my time on airplanes so that I could spend a few hours teaching. Now I sit at my computer and I teach people one on one, or in small groups. With the various remote desktop programs, they can run my computer and I can run their computers. I can display presentations uniquely suited to each person or group. Some group work enhances Internet type instruction. Visits to the classroom allows discussion. LEARNING is the goal not building schools or paying instructors.

No computer modeling? Tell that to the military. Tell that to Boeing. Tell that to the drug companies. Tell that to Intel and the rest of the electronic manufacturing world. Can you actually name one high-tech company in the world who doesn't start with computer modeling? They don't waste time and money in the lab until after they've everything with computer models.

Interactive media? You've never heard of Rosetta Stone? Four grandchildren speak foreign languages fluently because of Rosetta Stone. Yes it works. No, it doesn't require new buildings.

@Mike

Mike,

There is no doubt that some coursework can be effectively delivered through the classroom. You fail, however, to differentiate the contingencies under which various types of education is most effective. At our university, we do some computerized experiments and some traditional lab experiments. The choice we make depends on the nature of the experiments as well as the nature of the students. As you even suggest, many companies start with computer modeling and then move to physical modeling. What determines when that switch is made and why do you assume UVU is not at that point? Beyond that, much computer modeling requires more than a the typical PC or Mac that most students own. Those need to be purchased and housed not stored under stairwells as currently happens at an underresourced UVU.

I applaud your idea to think outside of the box but would suggest that this issue requires a more complete analysis.

Perfect example!

@ Hypocrisy 11:25 am 2/20

This is not an issue of when to invest, we are in survivor mode. There is no investment when there is no money, or do you borrow your way out of debt? That truly is hypocrisy!

20/20

Once again, the DesNews has never met a tax hike it didn't embrace (with the single exception of sales tax on food). And make no mistake, this year's bond is next year's tax - no amount of word-play changes the financial fact.
There are hundreds of "investments" into which we "absolutely must" throw our tax dollars. In fact, there is no limit to the appetites of special interests. That's why individual Utahns are standing up by the thousands and telling our lawmakers "No tax hikes".
It seems that Gov. Herbert might have gotten it. There are hints now and then that our legislature might be getting it. There is no evidence at all that the Deseret News will ever get it.

Hossman

If we don't spend money on advancing our society what are we doing? As a current UVU student studying Biology I can tell you this isn't a luxury item. Science classes always fill up immediately and if you don't register at midnight when it's available you won't get in. Teachers are trying to accommodate by letting more students in than the rooms support but that takes away from everyone. There is a lack of materials, lack of seats, lack of everything. People in Utah County want/need higher education and this is the best way right now we can provide it.

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