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  • Cali Marty
    Feb. 24, 2010 7:48 a.m.

    "It's always about the money!".....I personally feel that we need more Basketball Players who WANT to play besides the money.....obviously , they have talent and they want to be compensated but whatever happend to players who love to play for their franchise Vs dealing with lucrative mega deals?? it seems that the fans are the one who pays the price..

  • Short Memory People?
    Feb. 20, 2010 5:49 p.m.

    You can't remember last playoff series against the Lakers?

    Kobe standing 12 feet from Brewer daring him to shoot it?

    Brewers jump-shooting is TERRIBLE and it has actually gotten worse!!

    Sure he gets almost a couple of steals a game but the reality of it is that he blew some defensive assignments by gambling and not staying in front of his man.

    The Jazz own internal stats say that Matthews was a better defender than Brewer anyhow.

    So what are you losing?

    Matthews is a better defender and shooter and now he will get more minutes.

    Maybe now we can spread the floor better to keep the inside game going.

    Brewer KILLED US LAST YEAR in the playoffs!!!

    D-Will-I understand he will miss his friend but this is not highschool for crying out loud.

    Grow up TORREY ELLIS!!!

    We now have 2 first round picks which could end up allowing us to trade up in the draft and potentially get a decent big man inside/

    We were not beating the Lakers this season anyways so what does it matter if we trade Brewer for another bargaining chip?

    Nothing, I say.

  • SaltySeaShells..Drafting :(
    Feb. 20, 2010 5:33 p.m.

    Good Luck Jazz!
    Doing great as Team mates are Getting,
    Carded Around Back&Forth..The Name of the Game~

  • CJ
    Feb. 20, 2010 4:48 p.m.

    Whenever someone tells you it's not about the money you can rest assured it's about the money. This fabulous draft pick deal we got is about as beneficial as getting nothing. KOC needs to quit patting himself on the back and admit that he made the team worse to save a few bucks. Period.

  • short sighted
    Feb. 20, 2010 1:18 p.m.

    We WILL get better because of this. Anyone who says we got worse (including D-Will) is only seeing this in the short term. In the next 2 weeks, we will pick up a really good back-up big - maybe Z, Ratliff, Landry, Armstrong, or Milicic. The teams who took over 2 players in a trade will start waiving players and we'll be the beneficiary!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2010 1:18 p.m.

    Deron needs to man up!

  • Brewer Can't Hit A Jumper
    Feb. 20, 2010 11:56 a.m.

    Ronnie Brewer seems like a great guy. He's very athletic, gets a lot of steals and dunks. That is great.

    But Ronnie Brewer can't hit a jump shot. Wesley Matthews can. Simple as that.

    O'Connor was asked if Brewer would have been traded if they did not have Wesley Matthews emerge the way he has, and he said no.

    Kobe did not have to guard Brewer on the perimeter in the playoffs, which caused problems for the Jazz bigs. Kobe will have to respect the perimeter play to a greater extent with Matthews on the floor.

    That is why this is a good trade. And if the Jazz can package the Knicks and Grizzle picks to move up in the lottery to get a real talent, this trade is even better. Bitter Jazz fan does realize that is how O'Connor got Williams, right? If O'Connor had not made moves like this in the past, the Jazz would have Martell Webster instead of Deron Williams.

    Are these bitter, angry fans criticizing O'Connor the same bitter, angry Cougars fans who wanted Norm Chow fired? Go away, bitter, angry Cougar fan.

  • Thought cont.
    Feb. 20, 2010 10:30 a.m.

    If Brewer wants to be on the Jazz then he can sign next year for a reasonable amount and the Jazz will have Ronnie & the 1st round pick. If money is more important to Ronnie, then he should be glad he was traded & Deron should be happy for him.

  • Thought
    Feb. 20, 2010 10:27 a.m.

    Deron Williams is a great player and seems like a great person. Despite that, when players are getting paid millions of dollars per year, I don't feel sorry for them when another player is moved because of money issues. If Deron wanted Ronnie to be on the team so bad, then he should have taken less money so that Jazz could get/keep more good players. You can't have it both ways. If Deron gets a max money contract, then the Jazz will end up making moves that may not seem to make sense. My guess is Brewer's agent was wanting to get Brewer a big new contract after the season is over and the Jazz weren't willing to pay so they made a move now to ensure they get something in return for Brewer and they did, a 1st round pick and a few million in savings. Brewer & his agent decided money was more important. Too bad Jazz management made past decisions to overpay CJ & AK because that contributes some. Nothing they can do about it now. The Jazz can always sign Brewer back next year and they'll have the 1st round pick.

  • astrocreep
    Feb. 20, 2010 9:45 a.m.

    It's embarrassing to be a Jazz fan after reading this blog. Why pay the luxury tax when you have zero chance of winning the championship? Why keep Brewer now and lose him in the off season for nothing in return? Do you guys really think Brewer is going to effect the win loss column that much? I love Deron as much as the next fan but you can't have him making personnel decisions, otherwise we'd have a team with Dee Brown and Roger Powell JR. You fans that want the Jazz to keep Brewer and accuse the Jazz front office of not wanting to win are the same knuckleheads that want to trade Boozer! Do you want to win or do you want likable players on your team? This trade gives the Jazz a better chance to win the championship in the future. They had zero chance this year with Brew

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2010 9:20 a.m.

    Maybe Boozer can help bring in Big Z!!!! When he gets bought out!!! They played in Cleveland together awhile back!!

  • @Todd
    Feb. 20, 2010 8:39 a.m.

    CJ Miles better than KMart? You are living in a dream world. KMart is one of the best scorers in the league, CJ Miles has maybe done 15-20 times was KMart does night in and night out.

    Quit posting, you are making us dumber.

    The truth is that behind closed doors (listen to 1320, they give you some insight) Brewer wanted a big contract. He just saw Millsap sign one, plus Miles got a raise and Brewer plays more than him. Korver sits on the bench and gets paid $6million. Brewer wanted more money.

    But shooting guards of Brewers talent are a dime a dozen in the NBA, and most of them can hit threes. Wesley Matthews enters the picture proving this. He wasn't supposed to make the team, but he does and makes Brewer expendable (he will also force Kobe to play defense, so no more 5 on 4)

    Either Matthews or Brewer was gone this year anyways. Brewer would have wanted $4-6million, the Jazz will keep Matthews for under $3. Plus now they get a draft pick.

  • Double Standard
    Feb. 20, 2010 7:47 a.m.

    Williams and other professional athletes cannot have it both ways. Either the NBA is a business, or it isn't a business.

    Would Williams have been upset at Brewer at the end of the season when he left the Jazz in search of more money? Of course not. He would have said it is a business and he's happy his friend found a good fit for him (i.e. a team that is willing to pay him more money).

    If it is "a business" when athletes leave a team for more money, then the same ought to hold true when the team makes that same determination a few months before the athlete would have done the same thing anyway.

    It is diappointing that Williams fails to realize that the move was done in an effort to make HIS team better, and that the NBA does not exist solely for him to keep his buddies on the team for his personal social benefit, but to the basketball detriment of the team.

    Williams ought to step back and objectively look at the trade like the rest of us do. He would arrive at the same conclusion we did.

  • Wilted stilt
    Feb. 20, 2010 7:03 a.m.

    It is a business. CJ signed with Oklahoma, Millsap with Portland, Booze looked to sign anywhere else. The Jazz will be OK. Pay me millions of dollars, I would be OK with a trade now and then.

  • SaltySeaShells, C`ya Derron`W
    Feb. 20, 2010 3:58 a.m.

    ~~~~~~~~~************~~~~~~~~~~~~
    This was a sudden notice
    to here
    you are leaving Utah,
    Best of Luck to you~
    ~~~~~~~~~**************~~~~~~~~~~~~

  • Behind Closed Doors
    Feb. 20, 2010 3:00 a.m.

    Funny, Todd. I think you know what was meant. It is possible there were signs that Ronnie was unlikely to resign with Utah. In that case, he could walk at the end of the year, and the Jazz would have:
    * NO player to show for the future (one of your main arguments) AND
    * NO financial relief of any type AND
    * NO draft pick to either use themselves or package as part of a trade.

    The Jazz, like all teams, have made boneheaded picks. However, this at least ensures they will at least HAVE a pick. I suspect the pick won't actually be used; it will likely be used as part of a package deal to get an existing player that may make a difference for the future.

    It is far to early to know if this was a good move, but it needs time to play out. The potential pros greatly outweigh the cons Kudos to those who make decisions based on facts and not hyperbole, uninformed conjecture, and hate.

    The record of management is far from perfect, but the incredibly consistent record of winning (among the very best in any sport) tells me all is not lost.

  • todd from santa ana
    Feb. 20, 2010 12:01 a.m.

    with Cj natural talent if he wanted to he could average 25 ppg he is way better to me than Kevin Martin and he averaged more than that a couple years ago,

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2010 11:56 p.m.

    So who make the trade if it wasn't Sloan?

    Miller?

    Kevin O'conner? (or whatever his name is...)

  • CL
    Feb. 19, 2010 11:48 p.m.

    Re CL: It would be nice if you would post under your ID so I could respond to you alittle more personally.
    I'm glad all of you who rag on CJ, aren't the ones making the decisions about basketball talent.
    I'll admit, CJ has struggled this season with his game but he has more potential than Mathews, Korver or Brewer and if you want the Jazz to be a better team, you would hope and want CJ to play to his potential. I'm not pleased with how CJ has played and I have been criticle of him quit a few times this season, BUT I still see his talent and hope for him to mature and develope and become the player I see he can be. He can play the whole game if he tries, that is one of the frustating things about his play this year. He has not played with the energy and hustle I think he should and that is why Mathews has moved ahead of him in the rotation.
    Time will tell but I think this trade of Brewer will allow both CJ and Mathews to get more time and improve.

  • me
    Feb. 19, 2010 11:42 p.m.

    Yeah basketball is a game but unlike church ball the NBA is a business. Brewer is a stud and yeah we'll miss him. He and D-will will still be friends too. Life goes on.

  • todd to sorry todd
    Feb. 19, 2010 11:38 p.m.

    Do you know what goes on behind closed doors?

    Funny dude. By the way look at our draft history what assures you a pick will not be waived or dealt again?

    Do you know it will not?

    By the way losing Brewer I was not upset about, I wanted someone back who could help.

    I am sorry he got hurt tonight,. He was carried off in a wheelchair.

  • rdha
    Feb. 19, 2010 11:16 p.m.

    I will miss Ronnie Brewer. He has been a great player for the Jazz. I wish someone of his caliber didn't have to get traded but that's life, I guess. All the best to Ronnie Brewer and still wish he was here.

  • blame the rookie
    Feb. 19, 2010 10:59 p.m.

    It is all a non-drafted walk on thirteenth man that got brewer traded. Matthews is everything brewer is but an akward crooked of the rim shot.
    Really watch some games that go to the wire and wes math will be in there playing tough D.
    And AK is our best arounf the rim finisher.
    I would take Matthews D over brewers any day. He is more physical.

  • Tuffy Parker
    Feb. 19, 2010 10:50 p.m.

    If D-Will wants to be PO'd at someone, maybe he should take a look at Boozer. The reason that the Jazz are in a salary cap quandary is that Boozer pretty much guaranteed he was going to opt out and then recanted once he figured out that there weren't any teams that would pay top dollar to have him sit out injured for 50% of the time.

  • Pros & Cons
    Feb. 19, 2010 10:39 p.m.

    I see the following pros and cons from the trade:

    Cons
    1. The Jazz lose their second best finisher inside the paint
    2. The Jazz lose a good defender
    3. The Jazz risk losing team chemistry
    4. The Jazz lose a classy individual

    Pros
    1. The Jazz improve their perimeter shooting through opening up minutes by reducing the logjam at the shooting guard
    2. Along with #1, this will actually open up more holes in the middle for the Jazz to attack as teams are forced to defend the exterior.
    3. Matthews will fill the defensive gap while bringing better shooting
    4. The Jazz gain a potential trade asset in the draft pick while avoiding potentially getting nothing for Brewer
    5. This opens a roster spot for the Jazz to bring in a role player to fill needs

    Summary
    I would have preferred to keep Ronnie and lose CJ, but I don't think this is all that bad of a move. It is risky, but it is certainly not the deathblow some proclaim or absolute stupidity by management. The jury is still out - lets see where this leads.

  • Results
    Feb. 19, 2010 10:32 p.m.

    The Jazz have won 15 of their last 17 games, and are well on their way to winning another. Is this evidence that KOC is clueless? The future looks brighter for having made this trade, and the present seems to be pretty decent too.

  • Re: UteFan
    Feb. 19, 2010 10:28 p.m.

    Man that is a stretch, trying to find something positive about being a ute fan.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2010 10:08 p.m.

    This is clearly , that the jazz will never bring home the championship.
    By the time the jazz start to get to know their team mate with tack tick, The management is hungry for their money.

    I say just boycott the jazz.

  • DH
    Feb. 19, 2010 10:05 p.m.

    I agree with Deron. I don't feel good about the trade right now. Brewer was an excellent player who always gave his all. It is hard to understand the moves the Jazz make.

  • Sorry, Todd
    Feb. 19, 2010 9:58 p.m.

    I'm sorry, Todd, but the poster at 3:39 was right on the money. Your comments were well over the line. You have no credibility in my book.

    Now, let's examine two of your arguments. First, the Jazz go nothing back in return. Wrong! They actually get a player, albeit by draft, at the end of the season. There is a very good chance Brewer walks and they get no player (or draft pick to trade), along with no financial relief.

    Second, we need to realize the championship is in June. Exactly! That is why we needed to do this now. We now have time to develop players that the Lakers will have to actually guard on the perimeter. As someone pointed out elsewhere, the Lakers were able to ignore Brewer last year, turning him into a liability. I don't like CJ's shoot first attitude, but he at least poses a threat outside the 5 foot line.

    My initial take on the trade was negative, but I have now changed my mind, thanks partially to your blame management for everything, even though you have no clue what may have actually happened behind closed doors.

  • todd to 339 post
    Feb. 19, 2010 9:27 p.m.

    Managment needs to be "publicly called out" With these fogheads, the only thing they understand is "tough love"

    I am watching and still rooting when they do well, and sad when they do not like any fan.

    The man is saying the truth. It is not for me losing Brewer but not getting anything back he is right/

    It is getting too personal on here. I rip but I do not threaten someone's physical being like someone did to me on here today

    No matter what I propose, many of you would not accept it and that is your loss...

    Of course I bragged on Haywood, Jeffries was a secondary choice. If you guys think he is weak in the paint go get educated and get some tape. Further, take a look at the impact Haywood is happening

    Remember the Championship is crowned in June not now

  • Christian
    Feb. 19, 2010 8:56 p.m.

    No matter what anyone thinks, this is NOT a bad trade. Wes Matthews is twice the player Ronnie Brewer will ever be. Matthews can shoot and actually be an offensive threat along with playing exceptional defense. Brewer's contract expires after this year, and the Jazz would not have re-signed him anyways. So why not get something out of him rather than nothing? Also, people ask why the Jazz did not trade Carlos Boozer. May I remind all you Jazz fans that yes, Deron Williams is the face of the organization, but without Carlos Boozer, the Jazz would not be where they are.

  • Re : CL
    Feb. 19, 2010 8:55 p.m.

    " Play cj more" are you serious ? most of us want him GONE,he`s worthless,no defense no rebounding no assists,why in the world would you want to play him more? do you want the Jazz to lose?

  • Ak Fan
    Feb. 19, 2010 8:32 p.m.

    Wow what a fan base. Sky falling everything is gone no hope. Every player is expandable unless you are Jordan Kobe on prime time. Even Jabbar was traded. Deron is one of cornerstone player but he is not Kobe and Lebron, not even Wade. I hope next year Ak gone, may be Nets. Ak will make any team better and will be all star.

  • Re :Miles
    Feb. 19, 2010 8:31 p.m.

    Kinda funny that most (99%) of us real Jazz fans think Matthews and KOrver will get most of Brews minutes.Miles will be "ridin the pine" until we can dump him,which might not be that easy since every team knows he`s a worthless lazy useless ballhog

  • Jazz fan
    Feb. 19, 2010 8:16 p.m.

    D-will i'm so so so so sorry this was in fact the most embarrassing trade. we gave brewer away for practically nothing! at least get us another starter from another team. were trading a starter for a 2011 rookie? sorry d-will please hang in there. please!

  • Steve
    Feb. 19, 2010 8:13 p.m.

    I could not agree more with Deron. And we wonder why the Jazz never amount to much. This is just another reason for me not to go to the games.
    They start to have a little success and then the Jazz go and trade one of the key elements to that success. NICE.

  • CL
    Feb. 19, 2010 8:09 p.m.

    I can't believe how many people are crying about this trade.
    I like Brewer, he seems like a real good guy, and he has been a pleasure to follow and root for.
    Brewer is a great athlete, good defender, great teammate BUT he can't shoot. His shooting percentage is misleading because of his many dunks and layups. As a shooter he is very poor.
    Mathews, Korver and CJ can pick up the slack and the Jazz shouldn't miss a beat.
    This move should make the Jazz a better team in the end. Even if it is only because Sloan will be forced to play Mathews,Korver and CJ more. They can shoot and force the other teams to play them honest, thereby allowing the Jazz offense to be more effective.

  • Houdini
    Feb. 19, 2010 7:32 p.m.

    Exactly what I said in my earlier post,Brewer may not of had the greatest stats,but they were decent.What he did have is the trust and admiration of his teammates.They all knew he was a true Jazzman,come to play every night.I don`t like this one bit especially in the midst of a heated playoff run,when the teams around yo are trading to get better,we JUST GAVE AWAY a big part of the puzzle

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2010 7:26 p.m.

    I'm with Dwill on this one. I don't know what they were thinking

  • TRADE O'KEVIN
    Feb. 19, 2010 7:01 p.m.

    He has gutted this franchise...Maynor is gonna be awesome...Brewer is good...Person & player!

  • JAZZFAN4LIFE
    Feb. 19, 2010 6:51 p.m.

    Its easy to shoot 50% when you dont shoot from 15ft out. It was hard to think it was a good trade. But overall, they couldnt agree on an extension in the offseason. so most likely would have lost him this offseason. Can pkg the pick for a possible trade. Boozer is gone, gives more to try and sign a player also. plus it opens minutes for kover and matthews. Wish CJ was traded the only upside is he is younger, and they invested money last year. D-will is a favorite of mine, but he needs to think big picture.

  • Playoffs
    Feb. 19, 2010 6:40 p.m.

    If the Jazz want to make a serious run in the playoffs, their starting shooting guard cannot be Brewer. He can't shoot! Name me one team that has made the finals in the past 20 years who has had a shooting guard that can't shoot. You can't, there isn't one. Remember Hornacek - the Jazz need a starting shooting guard that can shoot for their system to really succeed. Matthews and Korver and even CJ are better options.

  • Shooter
    Feb. 19, 2010 6:38 p.m.

    Brewer can't shoot. Everyone that says this hurts our playoff chances is crazy. Did you not watch the playoffs the last two years. Kobe played so far off Brewer it was comical. As an extra defender he clogged things up for Williams and Boozer. The shooting problem is not as big of a deal in the regular season, but in the playoffs when a team focuses on you for four or more games, it is huge. Brewer is not a starting shooting guard in this league, he can't shoot.

  • Bad TRADE
    Feb. 19, 2010 6:37 p.m.

    The trade was dumb. Coming from a non-Jazz fan. The Jazz GM is not very good. Trades a lottery pick for a non-lottery pick. I think that Memphis will get in the playoffs. Ronnie Brewer played well for the Jazz he wasn't a scorer and didn't need to be. He was a defender which he was the best defender. I don't know how you get better with trading someone for no one. The only good thing it did was get money off the books but yet they need another person on their roster. They are also still over the CAP. I think it was a dumb move. Now who do they have to guard that star on the other team. Kobe, Wade, Lebron, Melo. Who is going to guard them? That's what I thought. AK can't keep up with any of them. The Jazz now won't get out of the first round.

  • Fedor
    Feb. 19, 2010 6:19 p.m.

    Brewer was good for slam dunk and that is it. Be rational fellow Jazz fans. What do we really miss w/ loss of Ronnie Brewer? When was last time you said, "If it weren't for Brewer we wouldn't have won this game!" How about, "We are 15 for our last 17 thanks to Ronnie Brewer!" You would not think these thoughts if your life depend on it. It just not the case. Jazz need to cut payroll, plain and simple. Be grateful for the team we still have.....would you rather be Washington Wizard? Utah Flash could beat the Wizard. If Jazz lost tonight or Sunday it will be funny to see all arm-chair GM saying, "SEEEEEEE, Brewer is that important!!!!" I laugh. Look at Brewer numbers last 17 games....it is nothing that can't be replaced but Korver and Wesley Matthews. I hope that the tears dry from your pillow soon. And to you Mr D-Will, be a leader and quit crying about your boy getting the trade. This is the NBA....grow up and be a man about it.

  • DB
    Feb. 19, 2010 6:19 p.m.

    Bad move. DWill is totally right on...it was a money move plain and simple. Ronnie was our best lockdown defender and had more explosion than anyone. He was also the exception to the norm - a Jazz first-rounder that actually panned out. I hate how it went down - got his bags off the plane. That's classy.

  • It is pretty obvious the Jazz
    Feb. 19, 2010 6:17 p.m.

    shopped both Boozer and Korver and could not get the deal they wanted. Look at what Portland gave to get Camby.

    If it were just about money the Jazz would have dumped Korver and Brewer for a can of tuna. If Boozer had been dumped for a draft pick or a mediocre PF with a bad contract half of the posters would be cheering.

    There is reason to be concerned that the Jazz have not added strength like CLE or DAL. However, They have yet to replace Brewer and maybe they could not get the player they need THIS YEAR to contend.

    With or without Brewer the Jazz can't beat LA/DEN. If they can get one more 3 point shooter they might have an outside chance.

    The only other option was to replace Okur or Boozer and that was to disruptive AND where was the right player who was available? Camby is the best option I can think of who actually got traded and I doubt if the Clips wanted any of the Jazz players. They might have taken the NY pick in return for Camby?

    Would adding Camby beat LA/DEN? How about Martin?

  • @Jenn
    Feb. 19, 2010 6:16 p.m.

    You are simply missing the point. That is a skewed number b/c of all the layups and dunks. A SG must be able to shoot the tray and Brewer cannot. Teams surely don't respect him from outside hence we cannot spread our offense the way we can with Korver and Matthews. It's not like we don't have a back-up plan here. Brewer wasn't even playing in the 4th quarter when it counted and he is NOT as sharp this year...we all know that. Come playoff time Brewer killed us last year, remember??? Kobe not even guarding him??? Huge problem. He is a great guy but throw emotion out as he will not be missed. We will be just fine. Good luck to Brewer....classy guy.

  • exciting
    Feb. 19, 2010 6:15 p.m.

    This is why sports is fun! It's a 7 to 9 month drama where you get invested in the characters and you never know what the outcome will be. Brewer was a loved player, but this adds an unexpected plot twist! How will the Jazz fair? Tune in tonight to see!

  • vidazzler
    Feb. 19, 2010 6:11 p.m.

    D. is right. Jazz just got worse. But hey, they still have CJ. What a disaster.

  • Jenn
    Feb. 19, 2010 6:07 p.m.

    Let it be known that Brewer had a HIGH shooting percentage. I don't know why people keep saying he had a low percentage. His shooting percentage for his career is 52.3%. Williams is only 46.9 %. I am pissed about this trade! Brewer was my favorite player on the Jazz hands down.

  • suns/jazz fan
    Feb. 19, 2010 6:06 p.m.

    Deron Williams has every right to feel the way he does about the trade. The Jazz are basically saying they don't really care about the remainder of this season, getting a first round pick in next years draft, giving up a starter.

  • Chris
    Feb. 19, 2010 5:47 p.m.

    Whats done is done! Dwill needs to start focusing on the task at hand, and tonight thats the warriors. I belevie that this trade has the ability to rip the Jazz apart if they are going to mope around about it. They now need to regroup with who is there and move forward. I still beleive they can beat anyone if they can play as a team and not become indiviudals like at the first of the season.

    I liked brewer, dont get me wrong. However, now maybe this will open the door this summer to get a Bosh or someone like that, because we know Boozer doesnt want to stay.

  • CJ Miles Stats
    Feb. 19, 2010 5:41 p.m.

    .406 FG% .306 3FG% 2.1 RPG 1.3 APG

    Oh, and $45,121.95 per game.

  • Nothing in Return?
    Feb. 19, 2010 5:36 p.m.

    It's going to be great when we use the pick to draft someone much better than Brewer. Who will be complaining then???

  • TicketHolder
    Feb. 19, 2010 5:35 p.m.

    KOC should be fired immediately! This trade was purely to lower the Jazz's Luxury Tax obligation. Obviously they don't have any intention of improving. KOC doesn't have a stunning track record either. Just a few of his highlights include drafting Deshawn Stevenson, Raul Lopez, Kirk Snyder Kris Humphries and Morris Almond. He traded for Curtis Borchardt, left Sascha Pavolich unprotected, and wouldn't resign Mo Williams. He has overpaid Kirilenko by about 12 million and CJ Miles by 2 million. We still have a top 10 payroll and at the end of the year we will have nothing to show for it. Hopefully the state can hold a fast for the Jazz with the hopes of winning the lottery with the Knicks pick.

  • Hot?
    Feb. 19, 2010 5:32 p.m.

    I think it's funny how mad they made D-Will sound in this article. I just listened to it on the radio and he didn't sound heated. He was very low key and calm. Sure he expressed his disappointment (I would be disappointed if I lost a friend as well), but he didn't sound like he wanted to rip anybody's head off.

    As far as the trade goes, I think it was a good trade. Ronnie can hit a jumper here and there, but he is not a shooter like the Jazz need. There is the argument that Ronnie is a great defender, but stats show that the Jazz are worst off defensively when Ronnie is in than when he is out. In the past his shooting percentage has been so great because he can get to the rim and make his layups. This year he has been taking more jump shots and missing them. His shooting percentage is way down this year.

    I agree that the Jazz most likely wouldn't have resigned him. They found out what he wanted when they talked about an extension and didn't think he was worth it.

  • Deron is Right
    Feb. 19, 2010 5:29 p.m.

    Horrible move by greedy Greg!!!

  • Our Jazz
    Feb. 19, 2010 5:15 p.m.

    This is a big deal because of who got better. Houston, Portland, Dallas. The deal is a net loss.

    Chemistry matters in team sports. This breaks up the team. One loss because of the trade could mean dropping to 6 or 7. Unless you're getting better, you're getting worse.

    But I'm always cynical about this stuff.

    Beware of a Golden State blowout tonight.

    And Atlanta on Monday will be a brutal game.

  • Kyle
    Feb. 19, 2010 5:15 p.m.

    Yeah I can't wait for that 15th PICK in the 2011 draft!!!!!!! Brewer and Kirlinko were our best defenders and we WERE a contender in the west.

    Someone look up O'Conners last 5 first round draft picks! Our two first round Ero's just signed long-term deals with their clubs.

    Thank you Kevin O'Conner!!!

  • Smart?
    Feb. 19, 2010 5:13 p.m.

    This trade is exactly why the Jazz are the Jazz... consistently win but never win a championship.

    We now can look forward to losing our franchise player in a couple years............Deron will want to be a champion some day.

    Business thought....win championships... get more from TV rights, get higher ticket sales and prices...like I said, just a thought

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2010 5:02 p.m.

    I don't like the fact that he said "that is why I signed a three year contract" (as opposed to extending for 5 years). The Jazz front office better be careful, or they will have no chance of keeping D-Will when his contract expires. Frankly, I agree with D-Will and if the Jazz keep making stupid moves like this one, I won't blame him for getting out of their as soon as he can.

  • whiners are weeners
    Feb. 19, 2010 4:52 p.m.

    it sounds like deron just got a little too close to brewer, he was a sucky shooter, and we have a slasher/defender that is playing really well right now in ak

  • I love D-Will, BUT....
    Feb. 19, 2010 4:50 p.m.

    Maybe he should have thought about things like this when he signed for a MAX deal? Couldn't he survive with a little less money, leaving the Jazz with more money to keep guys like his "buddy" Brewer? I lost a lot of respect for him when he demanded MAX money, and his true intentions were revealed (money is obviously more important to him than winning). You reap what you sow Deron.

    On a different note, Brewer was not a legitimate STARTING SG. This will be proven by the fact that he will sit on the bench for the Grizzlies, who are much worse than the Jazz. Get over it Deron, your team will be better off because of this. Besides, with your MAX money you can afford to fly to Memphis everyday for the next 3 years to visit your boy.

  • What?
    Feb. 19, 2010 4:50 p.m.

    D-Will is an incredible player, but D-Will hasn't ran a business, he is an employee. The employers take the biggest risks. I do agree with D-Will as far as hurting the team short-term, but business is tough right now. Brewer will be missed, but I think they did what is right for once long-term. Running a business is extremely complicated (accounting, finance, operations, marketing, etc...), that is why so many people never own their own businesses. The rewards may be great, but the risks are just as high. I bet the Jazz lose the next 2 games to make a statement, but I hope I am wrong.

  • Mark
    Feb. 19, 2010 4:47 p.m.

    I loved Brewer, but I also remember his performance in the playoffs against the Lakers. He was the weak link. I just hope that this trade does not disrupt the chemistry with Boozer, Millsap, William and AK being the starters. In my mind it was a good trade.

  • re replacable
    Feb. 19, 2010 4:46 p.m.

    what moves have they made to build a contender? trading brewer for a draft pick? who ever they pick wont play for 3 years wich makes it almost 4 from now. i for one loved watching his game stealing and dunking. about the only thing they hav fun to watch while they play there pick and roll. almost as bad as watching a football team that runs the ball every play and plays def. not much fun to watch. brewer millie and williams all they have to watch. i mean HAD

  • Calm Down
    Feb. 19, 2010 4:39 p.m.

    Once again as I listen to your posts, I know there are only a few that have an Idea what this is all about. I love Brewer, but he is not a shooter. I cringe everytime he takes a jumper. The Jazz are in a good postion right now and I haven't seen this kind of chemistry in a long time with our team. The NBA is a business and if we want to keep a team here we better let management do their job. I love D-Will, but my opinion just lowered of him. He is still on the Jazz payroll and needs to be handling himself as such. You talk about Boozer making some lame comments, D-will just came up with a major one. Those of you who want to give your tickets away, give them to me. I think the Jazz are going deep into the playoffs this year and we don't need a ton of tweaking. Trading Brewer was a small move, but a needed one. The other players will produce even better with him out of the way. Meanwhile D-Will, the chemistry issue is on your shoulders.

  • wait
    Feb. 19, 2010 4:37 p.m.

    It wasn't just KOC's idea to trade, the millers had a hand in it too, stupid trade for nothing in return.

  • Chad
    Feb. 19, 2010 4:34 p.m.

    Can anyone say hard salary cap? That is the only way to make the game good again. The NFL did it and look, the New Orleans Saints won a super bowl!! That would never have happened under the old "Dallas Cowboys Americas team" concept. Right now the Lakers are the old Cowboys and will stay that way until a hard cap is put in place. Teams like Utah will be competative but always a step behind the rest. O look the Yankees won another worl series! Who cares? They were suppose to win it. Let managers build teams under a hard cap. Make smart decisions when you only have X amount to spend. Anyone can build a championship team with an endless dollar amount. Am I sad to see players like Boozer or Brewer leave? Sure. Will it hurt if Deron leaves? Absolutly. But put a hard cap in place and teams will get smarter with thier money and it will give small market teams a chance to keep thier stars instead of the Lakers or Celtics offering them max contracts while going 30 million over a soft cap! Make it a compaetative league again.

  • phnehme
    Feb. 19, 2010 4:33 p.m.

    From the comments DWILL has made now and in the past, he is probably more upset that nothing was done about the Boozer situation. Maybe, there just wasn't a deal out there that management felt WOULD make the team better this year. It is not unheard of these days for your star player to be apprised of these types of situations. Would have been nice if KOC had ran it by DWILL just to make him feel included. We will have lots of cap room this summer and the opportunity with all these picks to move into position to get a real impact player. The Jazz have played it right. They are a small market team afterall, the fact that they spend the money to even be over the cap is proof they want a winner.

    Also, Brewer won't even be starting for the mighty Grizz....I doubt other then the Jazz, that there is another team in the league that he would start for.

  • Sh@
    Feb. 19, 2010 4:28 p.m.

    I honestly prefer watching korver anyways. He is soo just. ah I dont know i just like watching him. Maybe it's his hair i'm not sure. I just like sitting behind him when he shoots a quick three.

  • GOOD TRADE!
    Feb. 19, 2010 4:25 p.m.

    The Jazz would not have resigned Brewer because he is flawed but still demands big dollars which means we got a draft pick for a player we were going to loose for nothing. Plus it gives us flexability this Summer when Kirilenko and Miles hit the last year of their contracts and allows us to maybe resign Boozer who is a much better asset than Brewer. Finally remember this: small market teams tend to be moved when they are not making money!

  • cc rider
    Feb. 19, 2010 4:19 p.m.

    Way to go Spazz you've traded away another good Pro to save a few bucks so you'll lose many fans and the closeness of your team, I hope you lose in the first round yet again.

  • I respect and like Brewer
    Feb. 19, 2010 4:18 p.m.

    However, if he is HUGH, why is he playing back up at MEM which is mediocre at best? What does that say about the Jazz and thier players at SG?

    It is perfectly fine to trade players who become back ups on other teams. They should not have been starting for the Jazz to begin with. The Jazz should have upgraded SG, back PG and C ages ago.

    At least they are starting to do that in a slow way. The Jazz will contend when they get the right players in the right positions with enough depth.

    As long as Miller is willing to pay the luxury tax and replace incomplete starters the fans need to get a grip. Miller did not dump down below the tax. He is still taking a very big hit.

    Renting Brewer for 5 million for the next 30 games was not worth it. 5 Million will buy a lot of player come summer.

    The Jazz did very well digging Mathews out of the garbage and seem to have done okay with Gaines.

    Lets see what they get to replace Brewer befor you all go ballistic.

    No Todd I am not a Sloanaholic.

  • NCJazz
    Feb. 19, 2010 4:18 p.m.

    Williams needs to chill and play basketball. Trading Brewer should not effect the Jazz at all. Many wings already. Matthews does everything Brewer does but shoots better. If Brewer is go great why does he almost never finish games?

  • kg
    Feb. 19, 2010 4:16 p.m.

    Like the trade Brewer is not a shooting guard he has not put in the work to improve his outside shooting would be gone next year anyway

  • STEVE-O
    Feb. 19, 2010 4:10 p.m.

    The question we have to ask is this: Is trading Ronnie Brewer going to prevent the Jazz from winning a championship THIS season! And the answer is no. He wasn't the guy that was going to put the Jazz over the top.
    It does bother me that KOC tries to act like this wasn't 100% financial. They're saving money Period.
    I understand DWill being upset, but he's the leader and his poor attitude could lead to others having a poor attitude. Sad that he can't be a bit more professional about it. I didn't see Deron giving up any of HIS money to keep other guys around so he should probably keep quiet.

  • Bruce
    Feb. 19, 2010 4:07 p.m.

    I agree with deron stupid move we need brewer loose Carlos he just polished his resume he gone anyway

  • Replaceable
    Feb. 19, 2010 4:04 p.m.

    Brewer is definitely replaceable. The Jazz got 3 great years from him but he did not fully develop and may never. That is why he is a back up at MEM.

    DWill is also replaceable. The Jazz can and will replace him if needed. A max salary buys a lot of PG. The Jazz will not die if DWill walks. He is not Stockton. Stockton sacrificed salary so the Jazz could buy role players. DWill is no different than Boozer except he is more careful with his mouth most of the time.

    The Jazz culture is finally starting to change. They are starting to act like a team that will make the changes in the long run to build a contender instead of a basket ball school for players with holes in their games.

    The Jazz have to replace average players with better ones. They also have to get thier salaries under control.

    Utah has the same salary as DEN. Who has the better team? DWill can blame his max salary for part of that.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2010 4:02 p.m.

    If D-Will or other players (Boozer, AK-47, Memo) aren't willing to take a paycutt or pay the luxury tax then they have nothing to complain about, the jazz had to make a business move to be able to afford their star players.

  • BIG JAZZ FAN!!! :)
    Feb. 19, 2010 4:01 p.m.

    i dont know about you guys but i am super upset about this! you can just tell that ronnie brings greatness to the team! and he has for years. ronnies is a great man who has been nothing but loyal! he is a great player are hustler! he provides energy for the jazz! he was a huge and it was a big HUGE mistake letting him walk out like that! plus it made the team mad! why would you do that?

  • bwagner
    Feb. 19, 2010 3:57 p.m.

    I agree with Williams. What a stupid, stupid move. D-Will has every right to be mad at the situation. Nothing good came out of it. We don't want some other crappy first round draft pick, we want Brewer.

  • I don't get it
    Feb. 19, 2010 3:54 p.m.

    Reading these posts, you'd think everyone is talking about a team 20 games below .500, not a team in third place in the conference ready to make a run at No. 2. What move was out there to put the Jazz over the top? Kevin Martin, a 39 percent shooter making 10 mil a year? The Jazz are playing exciting ball. Why not enjoy it?

  • agreed
    Feb. 19, 2010 3:53 p.m.

    Jazz lose this and half their remaining games to barely make the playoffs. First round exit. No playoffs next year.

  • D-Will > jazz
    Feb. 19, 2010 3:49 p.m.

    Hell yeah Deron!!!

    Jazz blew it.

  • jackson
    Feb. 19, 2010 3:48 p.m.

    hopefully d-will was just saying this to show he was close to brewdawg and that he is going to miss him. but i think he still loves utah and him and ronnie can still get together 4 times a year when they play and they kick their trash and hopefully we can get a top 5 pick out of this which could be way better than brewer. i will miss the chocolate milk mustache though.

  • DWill is not that dumb
    Feb. 19, 2010 3:47 p.m.

    The hand writing was on the wall. The Jazz did not extend Brewer or Korver. MEM then offered over a month ago for Brewer (trial ballon). Brewer was not upset about the offer or at least not publically.

    The Jazz could not move Korver for Camby or some other player they really needed so they took the Brewer trade at the last minute because MEM finally sweetened the deal.

    The Jazz, DWill, most of the team and knowledgeable fans had to know Brewer was not going to get resigned next year.

    They are a little weaker right now, but they have a draft pick. They may be a little stronger by the playoffs if Mathew/Korver stay healthy and the Jazz get a contributor to replace Brewer.

    If the Jazz improve there outside shooting by the playoffs the Jazz are better off. If Mathews develops his inside and outside game a little by the playoffs the Jazz are no worse off than if they kept Brewer.

    DWill has to know that changes have to be made if he wants a ring and a max salary. He can complain about trades if he give up a 3rd of his salary.

  • Capt. Smash
    Feb. 19, 2010 3:40 p.m.

    Team chemistry, chemistry, chemistry, chemistry, chemistry, chemistry, chemistry, chemistry, chemistry, it’s all gone this will go down as the worse decision in Utah Jazz History!

  • re: Todd
    Feb. 19, 2010 3:39 p.m.

    Your quote: I hope this blows up even more... I love this.

    What a jerk, playing on the emotions of the deal to make things even worse. I strongly disagree with the trade (it should have been CJ or nobody), but I also disagree with DWill. His displeasure should have been expressed in private. The Jazz are certainly under no obligation to clear every deal with DWill.

    Todd, I am pleased your true character is now clearly in the open, making it possible for many to ignore every comment you ever make in the future. Your "enjoyment" of the difficult situation the Jazz are now in is despicable.

  • There is a very positive
    Feb. 19, 2010 3:35 p.m.

    shift in power here. This is not DWill's team and it never will be. But it is no longer Sloan's team. Sloan is making all kinds of changes he never would have a couple of years ago.

    Slowly this is becoming Greg Miller's team and he is going to be a cautious type of Mark Cuban. KOC is actually starting to act like a real GM instead of a Sloan flunky.

    There seems to be a long run strategic plan for building a contender. Greg is not dumping salary. He is pruning contracts that fix weaknesses. He is doing it in a way that does not cripple the team.

    The Jazz have more than 18 million in expiring contract in June. They also have about an additional 30 mill in expiring contracts next year.

    They are positioning for the new CBA which may give Utah an advantage over LA which buys championships.

    Greg and KOC are a lot smarter than people think. Brewer is a back up at MEM. The Jazz are weak at 2. That is now starting to get fixed. Sloan is not holding onto his projects. The Jazz have to make moves.

  • nervous Jazzfan
    Feb. 19, 2010 3:31 p.m.

    I am noty a huge fan of the trade but I am mostly impartial. All you people bashing on DWill need to shut your mouth. Deron is the franchise superstar player and he wouldn't be completely upset if they would have gotten something that would have made the team better equiped for a deep playoff run. but since they traded a productive player, and friend, he is upset with management. I would rather have a team leader that wants to win a championship and tells management that either they go in that direction or he walks then have no one say anything and let management think they can just trade away kep players for ZERO. If DWill walks good luck getting another star player that won't bolt in a couple of years because he knows the Jazz management won;t do what is necessary to win the championship. THANKS DWILL FOR BEING A LEADER AND VOICE OF MOST US DIE HARD JAZZ FANS.

  • VERY VERY CONCERNED
    Feb. 19, 2010 3:26 p.m.

    Folks I'm not sure if you all grasp what DWill just said....."That's why I signed a three-year deal," said Williams......This is a huge blow and concern for Jazz nation. I for one don't think the Brewer trade is going to kill us but don't piss off your best player.....Mark my words DWill will not forget this and will most likely be gone when his 3 years are up.....that is sad as I want him long-term..Dangit KOC can't you keep the guy in the loop?? What the heck are the Jazz Brass thinking..let's tick off our franchise player. I would have kept Brewer just to keep DWill happy at least for the rest of the year. Everyone would have understood when Brewer wanted more $$$$ this Summer...let him go then...Keep DWill happy for this is not Quantum Physics KOC and the rest of you morons. I'm now officially worried as should Jazz nation be.

  • DWill is right
    Feb. 19, 2010 3:21 p.m.

    in the short run and wrong in the long run. The Jazz are a little weaker now without Brewer. They do not have as much depth and Brewer may be a better match up in some situations.

    On the other hand, Sloan now has to play Mathews/Korver and their shooting percentages and win scores are better this year. They are not the long run answer at wing but they will add a better outside game by the playoffs.

    If the Jazz are ever going to be contenders, Brewer had to be replaced with a wing who could shoot. The Jazz have to have both an outside and an inside game to be contenders. They are too one dimensional (inside) and it hurts them.

    They also need to upgrade at least one of Boozer/Okur.

    Miller is still paying the lux tax. Get off of his case whiners. He is building a winner by forcing Sloan to make the adjustments that are necessary to win. It may take a year or two but the Jazz are doing what they have to do to get better. Replace weaknesses with strengths one player at at time.

  • Capt. Smash
    Feb. 19, 2010 3:19 p.m.

    I am not a big Jazz fan but this has to be the biggest bone-headed mistake in Jazz history. They are playing so good why miss with it. It's like I always said; some owners want be rich and some want win championships.

    This is going turn out bad for Jazz. I agree with D. Will, this is why teams like the Lakers win so many championships they are willing to pay the players that help them win games.

  • Miles
    Feb. 19, 2010 3:16 p.m.

    Who cares if Dwill is not happy with the trade. Don't the Jazz pay him like 15 million to play basketball? The Jazz were not going to re-sign Brewer at the end of the year. So why not trade him for something!! Brewer's agent thinks that he should get 7 million a year. Bye Bye

  • CL
    Feb. 19, 2010 3:13 p.m.

    Once DWill has a conversation with management he will calm down and understand what they are trying to accomplish. They want to win and have to look at things long term as well as now. I could be wrong but between Mathews, CJ and Korver, I think the affects of Brewer's trade will be minimal in a negative way and probably positive,(even this year).
    It's Sloans job now to use the players he has and see that there is not a drop off. If he manages things right there could(should) be an improvement.
    It's obvious to me that the negotiations between Brewer and the Jazz before the season were far apart and they didn't think they could sign him this off season. If that's the case trading him for a middle of the pack first round pick was a smart move.
    Moving Brewer shouldn't affect the Jazz's ability to win.
    If Brewer were to have an injury instead of being traded, there wouldn't be such an uproar. Everyone would just say, well the other players will just have to pick up the slack. He's not irreplaceable.

  • MONEY
    Feb. 19, 2010 3:07 p.m.

    Yea it is about the money people. They have to make some cuts like it or not. They our paying way to much for this group and if they want any hope to survive in the future you all better realize it, if your pockets are so deep then quit complaining about the cost of tickets and other things going up to help pay for this team, you people forget waqy to easy this team is in no way going to win it all. I am a big Ronnie Brewer fan but he was in no way the answer in bringing in a championship this year.

  • Hugh G. Hater
    Feb. 19, 2010 3:03 p.m.

    This is classic.

    Now those self annointed basketball experts who were saying this trade was good (see yesterday's comments)are now attacking Dwill.

    I guess they know more about the team and pro ball than he does.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2010 3:02 p.m.

    I'll be you the Jazz lose big tonight.
    Chemistry just fell apart.

  • KYbound
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:59 p.m.

    I honestly feel bad for Ronnie. He went from a starter on the Jazz to a back-up on the Grizz. Not only that, but he's now in a log-jam at the G/F spots in Memphis. His inside scoring can be credited to the Jerry Sloan offense. Not in any other club will he get the easy buckets like he had in Utah. He will have to create his own shot there... something he hasn't been able to do to well as a Jazzman. Then what about the off season? When the organization see's that Brewer's offensive skills lack, are they going to resign? Highly doubtful.
    I wish him the best in Memphis. Ronnie was loved in Utah by players, fans, and management. I hope he can produce for the Grizz!

  • Listen KOC
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:59 p.m.

    Kevin O'conner should read between the lines....D-Will is agitated!!! He isn't going to want to re-sign. Way to go KOC, alienate your fanbase and your best player.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:52 p.m.

    Hard to see this trade happen. I really liked Brewer. He isn't the biggest threat on the floor, but he definitely seemed to bring good chemistry to the team. You can't measure that with stats. I just hope that the Jazz do something in the future that will help them. It seems like the Jazz are afraid to pull off the big trade that could set them at the top. We need to get a SG that can shoot and is an offensive threat and a defensive player that can play the SG in the west and we need a defensive minded big man that can shut down the paint on defense.

  • gdog3
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:50 p.m.

    Kevin O'Connor is often the fall guy for what the Miller's and Sloan decide. KOC is in a tough position and gets railed way to much. He is doing a good job as far as I am concerned.

  • re: Todd
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:48 p.m.

    I'm really surprised that you are bashing KOC and Sloan over this deal. It is fairly obvious that neither one of those two had anything to do with the deal. It was strictly a "lets save money" deal orchestrated by Greg Miller and his financial people, no matter what's being said.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:47 p.m.

    Those who call for KOC head are headless themselves. We gave up a 2 who can't shoot for a future #1 whatever protected means I don't know. We have a stockpile of better players there. KOC is a genius what is our record the last 20 games sports fans. We came back faster than anyone after the loss of Stockton and Malone.

    These guys are pros Williams needs to get a grip and realize who is paying him. People gripe that the jazz don't want to lose money I bet you guys who do keep a tight grasp on your welfare and unemployment checks

  • agreed
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:44 p.m.

    get lost o'connor

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:43 p.m.

    Thanks Ronnie Brewer for all you gave us. We were overlaoded at that position and we more than likely would not have re signed him next year. Now we can draft a 1st round pick to address some other areas where we really need help. Like low post defense. I hate to see Brewer go, but I understand why the Jazz did what they did. I also understand D Will's emotional reaction to this. He has every right to express his frustration. Brewer is not just a friend but somebody who contributed mightly to the Jazz. Time will tell if this was a good move. Patience!

  • overreaction
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:41 p.m.

    Deron needs to chill out. His is based off of pure emotions and if he doesn’t learn to keep his emotions like this in check, he will create unwarranted controversy within the organization. If you look at the stats, Matthews scores 1.5 fewer points per game than Brewer in 10 minutes less playing time, shoots significantly better percentage from 3s and FTs, rebounds, assists, and steals slightly less, and hustles as much as Brewer. Matthews continues to improve and Brewer has shown very little improvement the last year or two. Brewer was a great player and teammate, but the Jazz will experience little short-term drop off with Matthews, and potentially a significant long-term improvement. Also, with luxury taxes included, Brewer was costing us over $5 million a year, much more than Matthes. I still love Deron and consider him one of the best PGs in the league, but I am disappointed in his reaction, and only hope he can show more leadership in the future. Deron and Utah make a great fit, and let’s hope we have many more years to watch Deron in a Jazz jersey, of course with a bit less drama.

  • re: miles
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:41 p.m.

    If the Jazz would have let CJ "can't play defense" Miles go when they had the chance, Brewer would still be here and the Jazz would be a much better team. Miles can't guard a tree!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:39 p.m.

    Hey D-will quit crying so much about things.

  • skiboy
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:36 p.m.

    till we go as far as stockton and Malone took us ... Dwill is only a solid player once he takes the team further then he can talk all he wants

  • Eric
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:35 p.m.

    If you can't even place your name in along with your comment SHUT-UP.....

  • Keeping them here
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:32 p.m.

    This is a trade that is important to keep the Jazz here in Utah. In case the money retards that follow sports don't realize it, Utah is not New York, we have a state of cheap fans and there's not that much money around here. Thus, we can't afford to play with the big boys. Sorry its true. That's why only a few teams have ever won an NBA Championship and all (except the lucky Spurs) are from big cities that charge a whole lot more for tickets than we do here.

  • jkr
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:30 p.m.

    quit complaining and start playin' Dwill and start proving that you were worthy of being drafted ahead of Chris Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    loosing brewer makes this team no better or worse...and more importantly our chances of beating LA or Denver in a best of 7 are almost 0 % anyway regardless....

  • Sh@
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:29 p.m.

    All the doomsayers sound so juvenile. The team loved Wesley starting at the beginning of the season and stood behind him. Miss your friend, but encourage his replacement and make it a better team. Silly fans, enjoy tonight's win and the Jazz having a successful road swing!

  • Bryan
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:26 p.m.

    I agree with Deron! Brewer was a part of the team. Not just a player, but a part of the team family. I loved watching him play. I know his stats have been down this year, but sometimes players have a down year. We didn't even dump off a large amount of money. We pretty much just threw away good talent. Kevin and the other guys in charge of who plays for our team better have a very good reason for getting rid of Ronnie that I don't see.

  • @ Mr J:
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:23 p.m.

    I think you mean - It was nice to see how tight that locker room WAS.

  • Jazzman72
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:22 p.m.

    I'm o.k. with them getting rid of Brewer. Matthews will be a better all around player in the long run. Deron's comment scares me though. "That's why I signed a 3 year contract." Did you hear that KOC? You better scramble to make this team a lot better in the next couple of years, or your superstar walks.

  • sports priorities
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:22 p.m.

    I like the NBA trading deadline.

    It means pitchers and catchers report to spring training soon.

    NFL Free agency and the draft aren't far behind that.

  • Ferg
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:21 p.m.

    DWill bullied Jazz management to sign CJ because he was a little brother. Now he is bullying Jazz management for trading Brewer who is also a "little brother".

    Sorry DWill. The CJ decision hasn't panned out. You can't have everything YOUR way.

    I guess you are now turning into Boozer and telling us all why you only signed your 3 year deal.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:18 p.m.

    This trade tells me the management doesn't expect a deep playoff run this year. We are right on the outside of the West's elite and this trade only moves us farther back.
    The best teams make trades that improve the team and not the owners pocketbooks.

    Now all I have to look forward to this season is watching New York improve our lottery odds.

    Anyone else expecting a big losing streak?

  • Miles
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:16 p.m.

    Finally we got rid of the shooting guard who can't shoot. Best trade in Jazz history. CJ will be the next starter and this team is going to the finals. Kobe will have to guard CJ instead of standing in the paint doubling Boozer.

    Great move Kevin. You had to get rid of Brewer since Jerry couldn't see the reality of how bad Brewer is. Thanks for helping Jerry out.

  • BackStabbers
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:13 p.m.

    How can all of you in here bash on dwill saying he needs to be more professional and this and that. What do you care about money and luxury tax. You are a fan of the utah jazz and all you should really care about are the jazz winning a championship whether they are in the luxury tax or not. What makes you as a fan have any say about the finances of the team? Losing Brewer was a horrible decision and Deron has every right as the teams captain and FRANCHISE player to say whatever he wants. It is refreshing to see him show his emotions and voice his opinion. That only make management think twice about all the stupid moves they make and only put more and more pressure to build a championship team to bring the jazz and dwill a ring and not to mention it means keeping us fans interested in our team and spending money. If anything, all of you bashing on dwill should thank him for this. And to say dwill should find another team...what is wrong with you! Whats our next solution for starting PG-Ronnie Price! Gain some common sense!

  • comma man
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:12 p.m.

    Really...That is why Jeffries was in such high demand and Houston took him. Read Knick Blog and related website info and watch the games. He was considered easily the best defender on the team, had high block ppg average. They had to release salary, a lot of guys do not average high boards a game, that is only one of several facets.

    You must be related to O Connor President Dan Burt REynolds

    The worst GM in sports today by the way

    ANy other profession, O Connor would have lost his job years ago

    Brad Rock says about "sprucing up a house"

    What happens when held by "duct tape" and it starts to "peel"

    Gotta fly like Jimmy Crickety and Superfly I need today to "be fun and competitive"

  • jazz4life
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:10 p.m.

    I agree with D-will! Brewer may not have been a great shooter, but he brought defense, heart and hustle every night-something that most of the others do not. Eveyone keeps harping that ronnie was a bad shooter, but to me that is ok because scoring hasn't been the Jazz's problem we have others that can score but we need Defense bad and we just traded one of the few that consistanly brings that.....I think this is going to hurt us.

  • todd from santa ana
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:09 p.m.

    I will be discussing Z tonight and parameters

  • Mr. J
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:09 p.m.

    I hate to see Ronnie leave as well but we are absolutely LOADED at that spot. I would rather have seen, Brewer stay and another go too but it wasn't a bad move because of our depth there and the money.

    C'mon Darrin, I know it stings to lose a buddy but lets be men and accept that change happens.

    (It's cool to see how tight that locker room is though.)

  • Jazz lose
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:08 p.m.

    by 15 tonight. im calling it now.

    my worst fear was that this trade would completely screw up chemistry of this team that was a huge factor in the recent hot streak.... thanks, KOC, that is now gone..

    I will now look forward to the 8 seed and losing to the Lakers in 5. Sweet.

  • Bearone
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:03 p.m.

    I really liked watching Brewer play--I liked his hustle--but his sometimes poor outside shooting gave us a weak spot.

    I hate to see D-Will upset about it, but he is not running the business side of the team! He needs to take out his frustrations on the other teams. He knows that the NBA is a business and these things happen! Buck up, D-Will and just go out and play your very best (just like you have been) and everything will turn out for the best.

  • Insane Jazz Fans
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:03 p.m.

    Many of the Jazz fans that are posting here have to be the most ignorant fans imaginable. This was a necessary trade for the following reasons. First: Brewer can't shoot. You can not advance in the playoffs with a shooting guard that can't shoot. Look at past years, Bryant played so far off Brewer that the Jazz couldn't get anything going in the paint. Second: If you expect Miller to keep players like Brewer and pay the luxery tax, in a year or two you will be chearing for the Seattle or Las Vegas Jazz. I give the Millers a lot of credit for their fiscal responsibility in keeping the Jazz here. If you keep players like Brewer and pay the tax, the Jazz will not survive in Utah.

  • todd from santa ana
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:02 p.m.

    Kudos to DWIL I do not need Brewer the point is we got nothing back--this is a matter of time, i hope this thing blows up even more. It will not I want wins, but that is the message Greg needs. I love this and calling out this front office which is "garbage" and holding us back to become world champions


    after tonights game, I will be discussing a player we need and why and whoever disagrees with his join Yogi for a winter hibernation



    Bye for now "sloanaholics"

  • Possible Trade!??
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:01 p.m.

    KOC...Should have included in trade... Along with trading Brewer to Memphis, trade the "mini-me" bear dude, along with the "Sprite trampoline dunkers" for the "unprotected" draft pick! That's just bad entertainment!

    GO JAZZ!!! Relax people we're 2 games out of 2nd in the west! Freak!!!

  • quit your boobin
    Feb. 19, 2010 2:00 p.m.

    d will, seriously

  • Sh@
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:54 p.m.

    Silly comments. Brewer's percentage around the hoop is why his overall percentage is OK. His outside shot is deplorable, his free throw percentage for a two is a just as bad. His points have declined steadily since his rookie season and he does not open up the floor because he cannot make a jump shot. Many of these comments seem rash and juvenile, why not wait and see how this works out...

  • Ed
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:48 p.m.

    Fifth grade

  • The B.I.V.
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:42 p.m.

    I'm glad to hear D-will voice some frustration, rather than tow the party (corporate) line. He has every right to be upset, huge salary or not...Hopefully he'll take his anger out on the Warriors and Blazers tonight and Sunday...

  • Time will tell, Maybe2
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:40 p.m.

    What will truly determine the success of this move will be what the Jazz do with the open roster spot. They REALLY NEED A CENTER. If giving up Ronnie allows them to get a decent center then I think it was a good move. Memo has been inconsistant this year and the Lakers showed his defensive weakness. Behind Memo, Koufus and Fes are just not ready yet. Perhaps there is someone in the D-League they can pull and that can play, like Mikki Moore from a few years ago. I think Z is going back to Cleveland though if he clears waivers and the Jazz will not pick him from waivers and eat his salary.

  • Old Port
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:38 p.m.

    I have a hard time believing D-Will didn't know about this....wonder if he did and all this is just...lip service to his buddy? Were the Jazz gonna re-sign Brewer in the Summer, doubt it, so now they have an asset, which could be a good player for 3 years on a mid draft position salary. Who knows where the $ is going next year.

  • Jazz fan
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:36 p.m.

    You can't blame D Will at all for saying what he did. The fact is KOC Makes horrible decisions over and over again for this team. The jazz need Deron. What stupid move with o'connor do next?

  • Abolish Senior Year
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:26 p.m.

    Well, the legislature can stop worrying about high schoolers finishing their senior year. Apparently all the high schoolers are on here.

  • Sokol
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:26 p.m.

    Hey, Seattle my foot, Albuquerque-Santa Fe Jazz has a ring to it...And they have dealerships here for some spare change...

  • Loving It
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:25 p.m.

    In three years Dwill will come to the Lakers so he can actually win something that the Jazz know and never will know nothing about...A Championship Ring.

  • Time will tell, Maybe
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:24 p.m.

    If the Jazz fall off like they did last year, (either to a low seed or even out of the playoffs) because of chemistry then this was a bad trade. Any money they saved in luxury tax will be lost due to reduced playoff income. We will really never know because we do not know what they would have done with Ronnie here, but this was still a gamble that Management made.

    I do think the LHM group is struggling. MMP was a $100M gamble that is not paying off. They have already sold one of their most profitable dealership assets in Utah (Subaru). I think if the economy does not turn around we run the risk of them selling the Jazz if they can not unload MMP or at least make it cash flow even. So don't worry about the trade, worry about keeping the team here.

  • re: 2 edged sword
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:21 p.m.

    You posted before I got the chance. I fault Malone for the same reason. You can't complain about trades that get us under (or closer to) the cap when you've demanded a max contract.

  • TucsonUte
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:20 p.m.

    While I agreed a lot with what Mr. O'Conner has done with the Jazz, I totally disagree with this move because D-Will is right--it does nothing to make Jazz better and only saves them 3.6M. However, many Jazz players have faded away after leaving Sloan's system. We will see with this trade who benefits more...the Jazz or Memphis

  • UteFan
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:20 p.m.

    Can you blame him? The Utes are not winning enough, that's why he is upset. After our big win at UNLV the Utes are on their way to the tourney and DWill will be happy again.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:18 p.m.

    The Jazz were never going to re-sign Brewer this off season. He was gone either way. This way we get something in return.. Not only that now we can play the other guards who can actually shoot under pressure in the playoffs. Let's face it Ronnie Brewer can't shoot. Remember Kobe backing off him and staying in the middle the last two years in the playoffs?

  • ebreezy
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:17 p.m.

    i would not be surprise if greg miller moves the team to seattle within the nexts few years.

  • akk
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:15 p.m.

    At some point and soon we need to make this team better. This summer we will have some money available because of expiring contracts... AK will be on his last year... we have draft picks. There are alot of free agents and still alot of teams trying to get rid of salary. O'Connor better be proactive and aggressive. We need a center that can clog the middle... a wing player that can score. Let Boozer go. Okur can play the 4 or 5. You have Milsap for the 4 along with Kirlinko who's best position is the 4. Kirlinko for the 3, Matthews for the 2. Deron and Price for the point. Let Fez and Koufus play or get rid of them and for heavens sake find a way to get rid of Miles. If the Millers are willing to pay luxury tax then we should have a better product.

  • Brewer is a stud
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:14 p.m.

    The Jazz had the choice of extending CJ or extending Brewer, and they chose to extend CJ. That was a bad choice. Yes, Brewer is not a great shooter, but he is our best on-the-ball defender and is probably our best finisher around the rim. The Jazz should have let CJ go to Oklahoma City and used that money to extend Brewer. Korver and Matthews can be used to stretch the defense.

  • sean
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:14 p.m.

    No matter what you think of the trade, it was bad from a team chemistry perspective. Stupid stupid stupid. KOC will be doing the public butt-kissing dance for the rest of the year. Dwill IS the Utah Jazz. Idiots.

  • Mike
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:13 p.m.

    Brewer is a shooting guard that simply can't shoot. The Jazz will never be serious playoff contenders with him at the shooting guards spot. Just look at last year's series with the Lakers, they never had to defend Brewer. And, if fans think that Miller is greedy for not dishing out five million in extra salary and luxury tax fees, they're crazy. The Jazz are a small market team and if fans expect them to pay the luxery tax, they'll watch the team relocate to Vegas in short order. Teams like the Jazz simply can't stay viable paying the tax. To ask Miller to pay the luxury tax and pay the extra money just to keep fans "happy" with a shooting guard that can't shoot will see this team go under. Kudos to the Miller's for keeping the Jazz in Utah and having the fiscal responsibility to do so.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:12 p.m.

    Agreed that overall his shooting percentage is good, but it's lately he's been unreliable in shooting. Plus talks with resigning haven't gone great between Brewer and the Jazz either. I think the personal relationship is getting to Williams. Korver will get his deserved minutes since he's shooting 60% from beyond the arc, where Brewer has to go into the paint to score reliably. We just had too many wing players competing for minutes. Korver is the better shooter and Mathews is the better defender.....sorry, as much as I like Brewer, this makes sense. Williams will need to come to terms with it, or he'll sabotage the team emotionally. I really hoped Wiliams would be professional about it.

  • Sokol
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:11 p.m.

    Why wouldn't KOC, Klutz O'Connor, have consulted his star before the trade? KOC should go, but Miller is a soft mush mouth.

  • My Logic
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:10 p.m.

    Wesley Mathews and AK need to be on the floor more, this is obvious, #2 the Jazz need outside shooting at the 2 spot and while Brewer brought a lot to the table, he could not provide that. DW should have cooled down before spouting off and looked at the big picture or talked with management to understand this better. Brewer was his friend, so that is why he is not seeing this the same way as management.

    After all, DW gets paid an Obscene (Max) amount of money and could be a little more supportive of his employer and team! I for one look forward to the players taking big pay cuts this next off season! They are all WAY OVERPAID Spoiled Kids that have no idea how good they have it! Cut NBA salaries in 1/2 and apply that savings to the Astronomical & Completely Rediculous ticket prices!

  • me
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:08 p.m.

    D-Will deserves to get traded to a better run organization. I am sure after his contract expires he will opt to sign with another team, and I don't blame him. D-Will has given his heart and soul to the jazz, but the management has screwed him over by keeping boozer and trading brewer. He won't forget this, trust me.

  • Rich
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:06 p.m.

    I disagree with Williams. The Jazz got a lot better with this trade. Now they will be able to give Korver and Matthews the playing time they deserve.

  • 2 edged sword
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:06 p.m.

    Ironically, It's contracts like the one D-Will signed that caused this trade. Is Deron worth a max deal... of course but in so signing, teams are forced to tighten their belts elsewhere. The jazz are over the luxury tax because of guys like Deron, AK, Booze, and Mehmo. It's easy for Deron to poit the finger outwards but what if he made 3 million a year less? That's be best way to insure having a deep team. I don't blame Deron for getting a max deal but you have to understand what consequences result from such a deal.

  • If Brewer was all that
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:06 p.m.

    If Brewer was all that, why were other people getting the 4th quarter minutes?

    Too few minutes makes it hard for players to stay sharp. Too many players, too few minutes.

    Matthews can shoot the three.
    AK is a better player in every way.
    Korver and CJ are both better shooters, as is the Bear, the Jazz Dancers, 38% of the ushers, 25% of the fans...

    .

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:06 p.m.

    Any bets on the game tonight. I think we all could make alot of money.

  • Stop your whining
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:05 p.m.

    The reason the Jazz are over the cap. they resigned Millsap for 8 million a year this off season. So i'll ask this question. Would you trade Maynor, Harprings contract, and Brewer for Millsap and a protected first round pick and some german dude that will never play one game in the NBA. I would. Also does anyone besides me remeber how mad D-will go when Dee Brown was cut? He got over it and if the team keeps winning he will get over this. The Jazz couldn't resign Brewer this off season anyways. Why not get a draft pick

  • PurplePeopleEater
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:05 p.m.

    I'm surprised the Jazz brass didn't have a sit-down with their floor general before the press got hold of him and elicited his disappointment in losing a close friend so suddenly.

    Good player management, Jazz brass. (What! Duh!)

    The Jazz better BETTER this team by next year's roster (Boozer likely going away, Brewer now gone, etc.), or D-Will becomes D-Won't!!!

    Personally, I've been disappointed in Brewer's progress. He still isn't an outside threat, which in today's game a 2 guard MUST be.

    So, I don't have a problem with letting him go.

    We'll now see just what the 2 becomes for this season with Matthews, Korver, and Miles filling in. Could be a bust, or could be just what the Jazz need.

    Only the rest of this season will tell us that, and I don't think to quickly. Patience on this one.

  • Make new friends
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:04 p.m.

    Oh come on! Hostile because one of your buddy team mates gets traded. That just doesn't make sense. The Jazz is not a fraternity no matter what the players would like to think! So Ronnie Brewer got a demotion! He goes from a starter to coming off the bench. It happens all the time. Korver did the same thing when he came to Utah from Philly. Look how Korver adjusted. You never hear him complain. Williams needs to get over it and play his game. Another one of his buddies will pick up the pieces.

  • Bad Apple
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:03 p.m.

    I've always had my suspicions about D-Will. If you take him out of Jazz system, he is average PG in league. If he decides to leave after the strike, go right ahead. Jazz can find someone else who plays the game the right way and understands the business. You can't always work with your friends. Welcome to our world, D-Will.

  • Re: Sh@
    Feb. 19, 2010 1:01 p.m.

    Ronnie Brewer has averaged over 50% from the field for his career. He has the second highest shooting percentage on the team. Just sayin...

  • Mater
    Feb. 19, 2010 12:59 p.m.

    business is business and in 3 years D-Will will get another max contract and stay with the Jazz (I hope). The only way that doesn't happen is if the Jazz are not a good team with the upcoming changes headed there way. I have faith in KOC to get some pieces to compete for a championship. Thats about the time the Lakers will be in decline and next years Knicks pick will be flourishing. Thats the window I'm looking at. Unless the Lakers have a couple injuries come playoffs they will be tough for anyone.

  • Josh
    Feb. 19, 2010 12:59 p.m.

    This isn't KOC's fault. It's Miller's. Its his money and KOC is the fall guy basically.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2010 12:58 p.m.

    I don't think KOC was responsible for this trade. Since Greg took over the franchise we've made two moves that only served to benefit the pocketbooks of the Millers. They own the team and they have the right to do whatever they want with the franchise, but that doesn't mean we should support it.
    I wish the fans would respond by collectively boycotting $5M worth of products and services so the Miller's don't gain any financial benefit from this trade.

    Maybe the Miller's empire is really struggling for cash. Regardless, this trade did absolutely nothing to make the team better this year.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2010 12:58 p.m.

    D-Will ought to play ball and let management do the job of managing. Just because someone can put the ball in the basket doesn't mean they have an MBA. Make your comments by playing harder.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2010 12:57 p.m.

    Brewer was gone anyways at the end of the season and this way we at least get something. This is a good trade.

  • No Championship in Utah
    Feb. 19, 2010 12:53 p.m.

    Bonehead decisions over the years, coupled with jerry Sloan antics are the main reasons there will never be a championship in Utah.
    Jazz can never keep their draft picks.

    AK and Deron being the only exceptions, but watch for those 2 to leave this decaying franchise soon or watch the bad attitude they will soon develop.
    Way to Go KOC

  • Re. Deliverance
    Feb. 19, 2010 12:53 p.m.

    D-Will is a franchise player. Any team would love to have his skills, attitude, and work ethic. He has character traits that you can't coach besides his physical skills. If I were management, I would include him in some of the decision making. This does not make any sense at all. He is allowed to voice his opinion every once in a while.

  • ball trap
    Feb. 19, 2010 12:51 p.m.

    It's easy to see why Williams wouldn't want to lose one his boys. On the other hand, Brewer's shooting tends to give teams like the Lakers an ability to ignore him as an outside threat. What I do like about this move is that it follows the Jazz tradition of tightening up the rotation as we move towards the playoffs. Lord knows we need to get more minutes for the goto players like Milsap and this certainly is a step in that direction.

  • Deliverance
    Feb. 19, 2010 12:50 p.m.

    If its all about money...Get Rid Of KOC!!!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2010 12:47 p.m.

    flat out dumb trade

  • basinboy
    Feb. 19, 2010 12:41 p.m.

    This trade hurts the team short term and has little chance to improve the team long term. Bonehead trade by Jazz brass. Strictly a money saver and we know that the LH Miller group is money hungry!

  • Mark A.
    Feb. 19, 2010 12:40 p.m.

    This is by the far the most negative aspect of this trade. Management should have talked to D-Will first.

  • Deliverance
    Feb. 19, 2010 12:38 p.m.

    Wow D-Will must think he is a franchise player...he's good alright, but he needs to readjust his attitude...this is a business and right now he is upper management status, but he to will see the day when business is business...to quote D-Will, "That's why I signed a 3 year contract" because business is business...should we be upset because he didn't love Utah enough to sign a 5 year deal...NO, because business is business. But I do agree, it was a stupid trade and makes no sense what-so-ever...Now, more than ever, is the time to look at upper Jazz management and look through the glasses of business is business...Trades are definately called for there.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2010 12:34 p.m.

    Way to KOC, ya just ticked off the one guy we HAVE to keep. You are brilliant

  • Wow!
    Feb. 19, 2010 12:34 p.m.

    Wow Deron, way to stick your leg out! It is never smart to disrupt strong team chemistry. Hopefully all will turn out alright. Hang in there Williams! Please!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2010 12:32 p.m.

    He's absolutely right. Trading away your starting shooting guard, one of your best defenders, and a guy that lends good chemistry to the team, doesn't improve the team. Isn't that the goal of trades, especially for teams that are in the thick of a playoff race, to improve the team? This is essentially waving the white flag in my opinion.