He's absolutely right. Trading away your starting shooting guard, one of your
best defenders, and a guy that lends good chemistry to the team, doesn't improve
the team. Isn't that the goal of trades, especially for teams that are in the
thick of a playoff race, to improve the team? This is essentially waving the
white flag in my opinion.
Wow Deron, way to stick your leg out! It is never smart to disrupt strong team
chemistry. Hopefully all will turn out alright. Hang in there Williams! Please!
Way to KOC, ya just ticked off the one guy we HAVE to keep. You are brilliant
Wow D-Will must think he is a franchise player...he's good alright, but he
needs to readjust his attitude...this is a business and right now he is upper
management status, but he to will see the day when business is business...to
quote D-Will, "That's why I signed a 3 year contract" because business is
business...should we be upset because he didn't love Utah enough to sign a 5
year deal...NO, because business is business. But I do agree, it was a stupid
trade and makes no sense what-so-ever...Now, more than ever, is the time to look
at upper Jazz management and look through the glasses of business is
business...Trades are definately called for there.
This is by the far the most negative aspect of this trade. Management should
have talked to D-Will first.
This trade hurts the team short term and has little chance to improve the team
long term. Bonehead trade by Jazz brass. Strictly a money saver and we know
that the LH Miller group is money hungry!
flat out dumb trade
If its all about money...Get Rid Of KOC!!!
It's easy to see why Williams wouldn't want to lose one his boys. On the other
hand, Brewer's shooting tends to give teams like the Lakers an ability to ignore
him as an outside threat. What I do like about this move is that it follows the
Jazz tradition of tightening up the rotation as we move towards the playoffs.
Lord knows we need to get more minutes for the goto players like Milsap and this
certainly is a step in that direction.
D-Will is a franchise player. Any team would love to have his skills, attitude,
and work ethic. He has character traits that you can't coach besides his
physical skills. If I were management, I would include him in some of the
decision making. This does not make any sense at all. He is allowed to voice
his opinion every once in a while.
Bonehead decisions over the years, coupled with jerry Sloan antics are the main
reasons there will never be a championship in Utah. Jazz can never keep
their draft picks. AK and Deron being the only exceptions, but watch
for those 2 to leave this decaying franchise soon or watch the bad attitude they
will soon develop.Way to Go KOC
Brewer was gone anyways at the end of the season and this way we at least get
something. This is a good trade.
D-Will ought to play ball and let management do the job of managing. Just
because someone can put the ball in the basket doesn't mean they have an MBA.
Make your comments by playing harder.
I don't think KOC was responsible for this trade. Since Greg took over the
franchise we've made two moves that only served to benefit the pocketbooks of
the Millers. They own the team and they have the right to do whatever they want
with the franchise, but that doesn't mean we should support it. I wish the
fans would respond by collectively boycotting $5M worth of products and services
so the Miller's don't gain any financial benefit from this trade. Maybe the Miller's empire is really struggling for cash. Regardless, this
trade did absolutely nothing to make the team better this year.
This isn't KOC's fault. It's Miller's. Its his money and KOC is the fall guy
business is business and in 3 years D-Will will get another max contract and
stay with the Jazz (I hope). The only way that doesn't happen is if the Jazz are
not a good team with the upcoming changes headed there way. I have faith in KOC
to get some pieces to compete for a championship. Thats about the time the
Lakers will be in decline and next years Knicks pick will be flourishing. Thats
the window I'm looking at. Unless the Lakers have a couple injuries come
playoffs they will be tough for anyone.
Ronnie Brewer has averaged over 50% from the field for his career. He has the
second highest shooting percentage on the team. Just sayin...
I've always had my suspicions about D-Will. If you take him out of Jazz system,
he is average PG in league. If he decides to leave after the strike, go right
ahead. Jazz can find someone else who plays the game the right way and
understands the business. You can't always work with your friends. Welcome to
our world, D-Will.
Oh come on! Hostile because one of your buddy team mates gets traded. That
just doesn't make sense. The Jazz is not a fraternity no matter what the
players would like to think! So Ronnie Brewer got a demotion! He goes from a
starter to coming off the bench. It happens all the time. Korver did the same
thing when he came to Utah from Philly. Look how Korver adjusted. You never
hear him complain. Williams needs to get over it and play his game. Another
one of his buddies will pick up the pieces.
I'm surprised the Jazz brass didn't have a sit-down with their floor general
before the press got hold of him and elicited his disappointment in losing a
close friend so suddenly.Good player management, Jazz brass. (What!
Duh!)The Jazz better BETTER this team by next year's roster (Boozer
likely going away, Brewer now gone, etc.), or D-Will becomes D-Won't!!!Personally, I've been disappointed in Brewer's progress. He still isn't an
outside threat, which in today's game a 2 guard MUST be.So, I don't
have a problem with letting him go.We'll now see just what the 2
becomes for this season with Matthews, Korver, and Miles filling in. Could be a
bust, or could be just what the Jazz need.Only the rest of this
season will tell us that, and I don't think to quickly. Patience on this one.
The reason the Jazz are over the cap. they resigned Millsap for 8 million a year
this off season. So i'll ask this question. Would you trade Maynor, Harprings
contract, and Brewer for Millsap and a protected first round pick and some
german dude that will never play one game in the NBA. I would. Also does anyone
besides me remeber how mad D-will go when Dee Brown was cut? He got over it and
if the team keeps winning he will get over this. The Jazz couldn't resign Brewer
this off season anyways. Why not get a draft pick
Any bets on the game tonight. I think we all could make alot of money.
If Brewer was all that, why were other people getting the 4th quarter
minutes?Too few minutes makes it hard for players to stay sharp.
Too many players, too few minutes.Matthews can shoot the three.AK is a better player in every way.Korver and CJ are both better
shooters, as is the Bear, the Jazz Dancers, 38% of the ushers, 25% of the
Ironically, It's contracts like the one D-Will signed that caused this trade. Is
Deron worth a max deal... of course but in so signing, teams are forced to
tighten their belts elsewhere. The jazz are over the luxury tax because of guys
like Deron, AK, Booze, and Mehmo. It's easy for Deron to poit the finger
outwards but what if he made 3 million a year less? That's be best way to insure
having a deep team. I don't blame Deron for getting a max deal but you have to
understand what consequences result from such a deal.
I disagree with Williams. The Jazz got a lot better with this trade. Now they
will be able to give Korver and Matthews the playing time they deserve.
D-Will deserves to get traded to a better run organization. I am sure after his
contract expires he will opt to sign with another team, and I don't blame him.
D-Will has given his heart and soul to the jazz, but the management has screwed
him over by keeping boozer and trading brewer. He won't forget this, trust me.
Wesley Mathews and AK need to be on the floor more, this is obvious, #2 the Jazz
need outside shooting at the 2 spot and while Brewer brought a lot to the table,
he could not provide that. DW should have cooled down before spouting off and
looked at the big picture or talked with management to understand this better.
Brewer was his friend, so that is why he is not seeing this the same way as
management.After all, DW gets paid an Obscene (Max) amount of money
and could be a little more supportive of his employer and team! I for one look
forward to the players taking big pay cuts this next off season! They are all
WAY OVERPAID Spoiled Kids that have no idea how good they have it! Cut NBA
salaries in 1/2 and apply that savings to the Astronomical & Completely
Rediculous ticket prices!
Why wouldn't KOC, Klutz O'Connor, have consulted his star before the trade?
KOC should go, but Miller is a soft mush mouth.
Agreed that overall his shooting percentage is good, but it's lately he's been
unreliable in shooting. Plus talks with resigning haven't gone great between
Brewer and the Jazz either. I think the personal relationship is getting to
Williams. Korver will get his deserved minutes since he's shooting 60% from
beyond the arc, where Brewer has to go into the paint to score reliably. We
just had too many wing players competing for minutes. Korver is the better
shooter and Mathews is the better defender.....sorry, as much as I like Brewer,
this makes sense. Williams will need to come to terms with it, or he'll
sabotage the team emotionally. I really hoped Wiliams would be professional
Brewer is a shooting guard that simply can't shoot. The Jazz will never be
serious playoff contenders with him at the shooting guards spot. Just look at
last year's series with the Lakers, they never had to defend Brewer. And, if
fans think that Miller is greedy for not dishing out five million in extra
salary and luxury tax fees, they're crazy. The Jazz are a small market team and
if fans expect them to pay the luxery tax, they'll watch the team relocate to
Vegas in short order. Teams like the Jazz simply can't stay viable paying the
tax. To ask Miller to pay the luxury tax and pay the extra money just to keep
fans "happy" with a shooting guard that can't shoot will see this team go under.
Kudos to the Miller's for keeping the Jazz in Utah and having the fiscal
responsibility to do so.
No matter what you think of the trade, it was bad from a team chemistry
perspective. Stupid stupid stupid. KOC will be doing the public butt-kissing
dance for the rest of the year. Dwill IS the Utah Jazz. Idiots.
The Jazz had the choice of extending CJ or extending Brewer, and they chose to
extend CJ. That was a bad choice. Yes, Brewer is not a great shooter, but he is
our best on-the-ball defender and is probably our best finisher around the rim.
The Jazz should have let CJ go to Oklahoma City and used that money to extend
Brewer. Korver and Matthews can be used to stretch the defense.
At some point and soon we need to make this team better. This summer we will
have some money available because of expiring contracts... AK will be on his
last year... we have draft picks. There are alot of free agents and still alot
of teams trying to get rid of salary. O'Connor better be proactive and
aggressive. We need a center that can clog the middle... a wing player that can
score. Let Boozer go. Okur can play the 4 or 5. You have Milsap for the 4 along
with Kirlinko who's best position is the 4. Kirlinko for the 3, Matthews for the
2. Deron and Price for the point. Let Fez and Koufus play or get rid of them and
for heavens sake find a way to get rid of Miles. If the Millers are willing to
pay luxury tax then we should have a better product.
i would not be surprise if greg miller moves the team to seattle within the
nexts few years.
The Jazz were never going to re-sign Brewer this off season. He was gone either
way. This way we get something in return.. Not only that now we can play the
other guards who can actually shoot under pressure in the playoffs. Let's face
it Ronnie Brewer can't shoot. Remember Kobe backing off him and staying in the
middle the last two years in the playoffs?
Can you blame him? The Utes are not winning enough, that's why he is upset.
After our big win at UNLV the Utes are on their way to the tourney and DWill
will be happy again.
While I agreed a lot with what Mr. O'Conner has done with the Jazz, I totally
disagree with this move because D-Will is right--it does nothing to make Jazz
better and only saves them 3.6M. However, many Jazz players have faded away
after leaving Sloan's system. We will see with this trade who benefits
more...the Jazz or Memphis
You posted before I got the chance. I fault Malone for the same reason. You
can't complain about trades that get us under (or closer to) the cap when you've
demanded a max contract.
If the Jazz fall off like they did last year, (either to a low seed or even out
of the playoffs) because of chemistry then this was a bad trade. Any money they
saved in luxury tax will be lost due to reduced playoff income. We will really
never know because we do not know what they would have done with Ronnie here,
but this was still a gamble that Management made.I do think the LHM
group is struggling. MMP was a $100M gamble that is not paying off. They have
already sold one of their most profitable dealership assets in Utah (Subaru). I
think if the economy does not turn around we run the risk of them selling the
Jazz if they can not unload MMP or at least make it cash flow even. So don't
worry about the trade, worry about keeping the team here.
In three years Dwill will come to the Lakers so he can actually win something
that the Jazz know and never will know nothing about...A Championship Ring.
Hey, Seattle my foot, Albuquerque-Santa Fe Jazz has a ring to it...And they have
dealerships here for some spare change...
Well, the legislature can stop worrying about high schoolers finishing their
senior year. Apparently all the high schoolers are on here.
You can't blame D Will at all for saying what he did. The fact is KOC Makes
horrible decisions over and over again for this team. The jazz need Deron. What
stupid move with o'connor do next?
I have a hard time believing D-Will didn't know about this....wonder if he did
and all this is just...lip service to his buddy? Were the Jazz gonna re-sign
Brewer in the Summer, doubt it, so now they have an asset, which could be a good
player for 3 years on a mid draft position salary. Who knows where the $ is
going next year.
What will truly determine the success of this move will be what the Jazz do with
the open roster spot. They REALLY NEED A CENTER. If giving up Ronnie allows
them to get a decent center then I think it was a good move. Memo has been
inconsistant this year and the Lakers showed his defensive weakness. Behind
Memo, Koufus and Fes are just not ready yet. Perhaps there is someone in the
D-League they can pull and that can play, like Mikki Moore from a few years ago.
I think Z is going back to Cleveland though if he clears waivers and the Jazz
will not pick him from waivers and eat his salary.
I'm glad to hear D-will voice some frustration, rather than tow the party
(corporate) line. He has every right to be upset, huge salary or not...Hopefully
he'll take his anger out on the Warriors and Blazers tonight and Sunday...
Silly comments. Brewer's percentage around the hoop is why his overall
percentage is OK. His outside shot is deplorable, his free throw percentage for
a two is a just as bad. His points have declined steadily since his rookie
season and he does not open up the floor because he cannot make a jump shot.
Many of these comments seem rash and juvenile, why not wait and see how this
d will, seriously
KOC...Should have included in trade... Along with trading Brewer to Memphis,
trade the "mini-me" bear dude, along with the "Sprite trampoline dunkers" for
the "unprotected" draft pick! That's just bad entertainment!GO
JAZZ!!! Relax people we're 2 games out of 2nd in the west! Freak!!!
Kudos to DWIL I do not need Brewer the point is we got nothing back--this is a
matter of time, i hope this thing blows up even more. It will not I want wins,
but that is the message Greg needs. I love this and calling out this front
office which is "garbage" and holding us back to become world championsafter tonights game, I will be discussing a player we need and why and
whoever disagrees with his join Yogi for a winter hibernationBye for now "sloanaholics"
Many of the Jazz fans that are posting here have to be the most ignorant fans
imaginable. This was a necessary trade for the following reasons. First:
Brewer can't shoot. You can not advance in the playoffs with a shooting guard
that can't shoot. Look at past years, Bryant played so far off Brewer that the
Jazz couldn't get anything going in the paint. Second: If you expect Miller to
keep players like Brewer and pay the luxery tax, in a year or two you will be
chearing for the Seattle or Las Vegas Jazz. I give the Millers a lot of credit
for their fiscal responsibility in keeping the Jazz here. If you keep players
like Brewer and pay the tax, the Jazz will not survive in Utah.
I really liked watching Brewer play--I liked his hustle--but his sometimes poor
outside shooting gave us a weak spot.I hate to see D-Will upset
about it, but he is not running the business side of the team! He needs to take
out his frustrations on the other teams. He knows that the NBA is a business
and these things happen! Buck up, D-Will and just go out and play your very
best (just like you have been) and everything will turn out for the best.
by 15 tonight. im calling it now.my worst fear was that this trade
would completely screw up chemistry of this team that was a huge factor in the
recent hot streak.... thanks, KOC, that is now gone..I will now look
forward to the 8 seed and losing to the Lakers in 5. Sweet.
I hate to see Ronnie leave as well but we are absolutely LOADED at that spot. I
would rather have seen, Brewer stay and another go too but it wasn't a bad move
because of our depth there and the money. C'mon Darrin, I know it
stings to lose a buddy but lets be men and accept that change happens.(It's cool to see how tight that locker room is though.)
I will be discussing Z tonight and parameters
I agree with D-will! Brewer may not have been a great shooter, but he brought
defense, heart and hustle every night-something that most of the others do not.
Eveyone keeps harping that ronnie was a bad shooter, but to me that is ok
because scoring hasn't been the Jazz's problem we have others that can score but
we need Defense bad and we just traded one of the few that consistanly brings
that.....I think this is going to hurt us.
Really...That is why Jeffries was in such high demand and Houston took him. Read
Knick Blog and related website info and watch the games. He was considered
easily the best defender on the team, had high block ppg average. They had to
release salary, a lot of guys do not average high boards a game, that is only
one of several facets.You must be related to O Connor President Dan
Burt REynoldsThe worst GM in sports today by the wayANy
other profession, O Connor would have lost his job years agoBrad
Rock says about "sprucing up a house"What happens when held by "duct
tape" and it starts to "peel"Gotta fly like Jimmy Crickety and
Superfly I need today to "be fun and competitive"
How can all of you in here bash on dwill saying he needs to be more professional
and this and that. What do you care about money and luxury tax. You are a fan of
the utah jazz and all you should really care about are the jazz winning a
championship whether they are in the luxury tax or not. What makes you as a fan
have any say about the finances of the team? Losing Brewer was a horrible
decision and Deron has every right as the teams captain and FRANCHISE player to
say whatever he wants. It is refreshing to see him show his emotions and voice
his opinion. That only make management think twice about all the stupid moves
they make and only put more and more pressure to build a championship team to
bring the jazz and dwill a ring and not to mention it means keeping us fans
interested in our team and spending money. If anything, all of you bashing on
dwill should thank him for this. And to say dwill should find another
team...what is wrong with you! Whats our next solution for starting PG-Ronnie
Price! Gain some common sense!
Finally we got rid of the shooting guard who can't shoot. Best trade in Jazz
history. CJ will be the next starter and this team is going to the finals.
Kobe will have to guard CJ instead of standing in the paint doubling Boozer.
Great move Kevin. You had to get rid of Brewer since Jerry couldn't
see the reality of how bad Brewer is. Thanks for helping Jerry out.
This trade tells me the management doesn't expect a deep playoff run this year.
We are right on the outside of the West's elite and this trade only moves us
farther back. The best teams make trades that improve the team and not the
owners pocketbooks. Now all I have to look forward to this season is
watching New York improve our lottery odds.Anyone else expecting a
big losing streak?
DWill bullied Jazz management to sign CJ because he was a little brother. Now he
is bullying Jazz management for trading Brewer who is also a "little
brother".Sorry DWill. The CJ decision hasn't panned out. You can't
have everything YOUR way.I guess you are now turning into Boozer and
telling us all why you only signed your 3 year deal.
I like the NBA trading deadline. It means pitchers and catchers
report to spring training soon.NFL Free agency and the draft aren't
far behind that.
I'm o.k. with them getting rid of Brewer. Matthews will be a better all around
player in the long run. Deron's comment scares me though. "That's why I signed
a 3 year contract." Did you hear that KOC? You better scramble to make this
team a lot better in the next couple of years, or your superstar walks.
I think you mean - It was nice to see how tight that locker room WAS.
I agree with Deron! Brewer was a part of the team. Not just a player, but a
part of the team family. I loved watching him play. I know his stats have been
down this year, but sometimes players have a down year. We didn't even dump off
a large amount of money. We pretty much just threw away good talent. Kevin and
the other guys in charge of who plays for our team better have a very good
reason for getting rid of Ronnie that I don't see.
All the doomsayers sound so juvenile. The team loved Wesley starting at the
beginning of the season and stood behind him. Miss your friend, but encourage
his replacement and make it a better team. Silly fans, enjoy tonight's win and
the Jazz having a successful road swing!
quit complaining and start playin' Dwill and start proving that you were worthy
of being drafted ahead of Chris Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!loosing brewer
makes this team no better or worse...and more importantly our chances of beating
LA or Denver in a best of 7 are almost 0 % anyway regardless....
This is a trade that is important to keep the Jazz here in Utah. In case the
money retards that follow sports don't realize it, Utah is not New York, we have
a state of cheap fans and there's not that much money around here. Thus, we
can't afford to play with the big boys. Sorry its true. That's why only a few
teams have ever won an NBA Championship and all (except the lucky Spurs) are
from big cities that charge a whole lot more for tickets than we do here.
If you can't even place your name in along with your comment SHUT-UP.....
till we go as far as stockton and Malone took us ... Dwill is only a solid
player once he takes the team further then he can talk all he wants
Hey D-will quit crying so much about things.
If the Jazz would have let CJ "can't play defense" Miles go when they had the
chance, Brewer would still be here and the Jazz would be a much better team.
Miles can't guard a tree!
Deron needs to chill out. His is based off of pure emotions and if he
doesn’t learn to keep his emotions like this in check, he will create
unwarranted controversy within the organization. If you look at the stats,
Matthews scores 1.5 fewer points per game than Brewer in 10 minutes less playing
time, shoots significantly better percentage from 3s and FTs, rebounds, assists,
and steals slightly less, and hustles as much as Brewer. Matthews continues to
improve and Brewer has shown very little improvement the last year or two.
Brewer was a great player and teammate, but the Jazz will experience little
short-term drop off with Matthews, and potentially a significant long-term
improvement. Also, with luxury taxes included, Brewer was costing us over $5
million a year, much more than Matthes. I still love Deron and consider him one
of the best PGs in the league, but I am disappointed in his reaction, and only
hope he can show more leadership in the future. Deron and Utah make a great fit,
and let’s hope we have many more years to watch Deron in a Jazz jersey, of
course with a bit less drama.
Thanks Ronnie Brewer for all you gave us. We were overlaoded at that position
and we more than likely would not have re signed him next year. Now we can
draft a 1st round pick to address some other areas where we really need help.
Like low post defense. I hate to see Brewer go, but I understand why the Jazz
did what they did. I also understand D Will's emotional reaction to this. He
has every right to express his frustration. Brewer is not just a friend but
somebody who contributed mightly to the Jazz. Time will tell if this was a good
get lost o'connor
Those who call for KOC head are headless themselves. We gave up a 2 who can't
shoot for a future #1 whatever protected means I don't know. We have a
stockpile of better players there. KOC is a genius what is our record the last
20 games sports fans. We came back faster than anyone after the loss of
Stockton and Malone.These guys are pros Williams needs to get a grip
and realize who is paying him. People gripe that the jazz don't want to lose
money I bet you guys who do keep a tight grasp on your welfare and unemployment
I'm really surprised that you are bashing KOC and Sloan over this deal. It is
fairly obvious that neither one of those two had anything to do with the deal.
It was strictly a "lets save money" deal orchestrated by Greg Miller and his
financial people, no matter what's being said.
Kevin O'Connor is often the fall guy for what the Miller's and Sloan decide. KOC
is in a tough position and gets railed way to much. He is doing a good job as
far as I am concerned.
Hard to see this trade happen. I really liked Brewer. He isn't the biggest
threat on the floor, but he definitely seemed to bring good chemistry to the
team. You can't measure that with stats. I just hope that the Jazz do
something in the future that will help them. It seems like the Jazz are afraid
to pull off the big trade that could set them at the top. We need to get a SG
that can shoot and is an offensive threat and a defensive player that can play
the SG in the west and we need a defensive minded big man that can shut down the
paint on defense.
Kevin O'conner should read between the lines....D-Will is agitated!!! He isn't
going to want to re-sign. Way to go KOC, alienate your fanbase and your best
I honestly feel bad for Ronnie. He went from a starter on the Jazz to a back-up
on the Grizz. Not only that, but he's now in a log-jam at the G/F spots in
Memphis. His inside scoring can be credited to the Jerry Sloan offense. Not in
any other club will he get the easy buckets like he had in Utah. He will have
to create his own shot there... something he hasn't been able to do to well as a
Jazzman. Then what about the off season? When the organization see's that
Brewer's offensive skills lack, are they going to resign? Highly doubtful.I wish him the best in Memphis. Ronnie was loved in Utah by players, fans,
and management. I hope he can produce for the Grizz!
I'll be you the Jazz lose big tonight. Chemistry just fell apart.
This is classic.Now those self annointed basketball experts who were
saying this trade was good (see yesterday's comments)are now attacking Dwill.I guess they know more about the team and pro ball than he does.
Yea it is about the money people. They have to make some cuts like it or not.
They our paying way to much for this group and if they want any hope to survive
in the future you all better realize it, if your pockets are so deep then quit
complaining about the cost of tickets and other things going up to help pay for
this team, you people forget waqy to easy this team is in no way going to win it
all. I am a big Ronnie Brewer fan but he was in no way the answer in bringing in
a championship this year.
Once DWill has a conversation with management he will calm down and understand
what they are trying to accomplish. They want to win and have to look at things
long term as well as now. I could be wrong but between Mathews, CJ and Korver,
I think the affects of Brewer's trade will be minimal in a negative way and
probably positive,(even this year).It's Sloans job now to use the players
he has and see that there is not a drop off. If he manages things right there
could(should) be an improvement.It's obvious to me that the negotiations
between Brewer and the Jazz before the season were far apart and they didn't
think they could sign him this off season. If that's the case trading him for a
middle of the pack first round pick was a smart move.Moving Brewer
shouldn't affect the Jazz's ability to win. If Brewer were to have an
injury instead of being traded, there wouldn't be such an uproar. Everyone would
just say, well the other players will just have to pick up the slack. He's not
Who cares if Dwill is not happy with the trade. Don't the Jazz pay him like 15
million to play basketball? The Jazz were not going to re-sign Brewer at the
end of the year. So why not trade him for something!! Brewer's agent thinks
that he should get 7 million a year. Bye Bye
I am not a big Jazz fan but this has to be the biggest bone-headed mistake in
Jazz history. They are playing so good why miss with it. It's like I always
said; some owners want be rich and some want win championships. This is going turn out bad for Jazz. I agree with D. Will, this is why teams
like the Lakers win so many championships they are willing to pay the players
that help them win games.
in the short run and wrong in the long run. The Jazz are a little weaker now
without Brewer. They do not have as much depth and Brewer may be a better match
up in some situations. On the other hand, Sloan now has to play
Mathews/Korver and their shooting percentages and win scores are better this
year. They are not the long run answer at wing but they will add a better
outside game by the playoffs. If the Jazz are ever going to be
contenders, Brewer had to be replaced with a wing who could shoot. The Jazz have
to have both an outside and an inside game to be contenders. They are too one
dimensional (inside) and it hurts them.They also need to upgrade at
least one of Boozer/Okur. Miller is still paying the lux tax. Get
off of his case whiners. He is building a winner by forcing Sloan to make the
adjustments that are necessary to win. It may take a year or two but the Jazz
are doing what they have to do to get better. Replace weaknesses with strengths
one player at at time.
Folks I'm not sure if you all grasp what DWill just said....."That's why I
signed a three-year deal," said Williams......This is a huge blow and concern
for Jazz nation. I for one don't think the Brewer trade is going to kill us but
don't piss off your best player.....Mark my words DWill will not forget this and
will most likely be gone when his 3 years are up.....that is sad as I want him
long-term..Dangit KOC can't you keep the guy in the loop?? What the heck are the
Jazz Brass thinking..let's tick off our franchise player. I would have kept
Brewer just to keep DWill happy at least for the rest of the year. Everyone
would have understood when Brewer wanted more $$$$ this Summer...let him go
then...Keep DWill happy for this is not Quantum Physics KOC and the rest of you
morons. I'm now officially worried as should Jazz nation be.
I am noty a huge fan of the trade but I am mostly impartial. All you people
bashing on DWill need to shut your mouth. Deron is the franchise superstar
player and he wouldn't be completely upset if they would have gotten something
that would have made the team better equiped for a deep playoff run. but since
they traded a productive player, and friend, he is upset with management. I
would rather have a team leader that wants to win a championship and tells
management that either they go in that direction or he walks then have no one
say anything and let management think they can just trade away kep players for
ZERO. If DWill walks good luck getting another star player that won't bolt in a
couple of years because he knows the Jazz management won;t do what is necessary
to win the championship. THANKS DWILL FOR BEING A LEADER AND VOICE OF MOST US
DIE HARD JAZZ FANS.
shift in power here. This is not DWill's team and it never will be. But it is no
longer Sloan's team. Sloan is making all kinds of changes he never would have a
couple of years ago. Slowly this is becoming Greg Miller's team and
he is going to be a cautious type of Mark Cuban. KOC is actually starting to act
like a real GM instead of a Sloan flunky. There seems to be a long
run strategic plan for building a contender. Greg is not dumping salary. He is
pruning contracts that fix weaknesses. He is doing it in a way that does not
cripple the team. The Jazz have more than 18 million in expiring
contract in June. They also have about an additional 30 mill in expiring
contracts next year. They are positioning for the new CBA which may
give Utah an advantage over LA which buys championships. Greg and
KOC are a lot smarter than people think. Brewer is a back up at MEM. The Jazz
are weak at 2. That is now starting to get fixed. Sloan is not holding onto his
projects. The Jazz have to make moves.
Your quote: I hope this blows up even more... I love this.What a
jerk, playing on the emotions of the deal to make things even worse. I strongly
disagree with the trade (it should have been CJ or nobody), but I also disagree
with DWill. His displeasure should have been expressed in private. The Jazz are
certainly under no obligation to clear every deal with DWill.Todd, I
am pleased your true character is now clearly in the open, making it possible
for many to ignore every comment you ever make in the future. Your "enjoyment"
of the difficult situation the Jazz are now in is despicable.
Team chemistry, chemistry, chemistry, chemistry, chemistry, chemistry,
chemistry, chemistry, chemistry, it’s all gone this will go down as the
worse decision in Utah Jazz History!
The hand writing was on the wall. The Jazz did not extend Brewer or Korver. MEM
then offered over a month ago for Brewer (trial ballon). Brewer was not upset
about the offer or at least not publically. The Jazz could not move
Korver for Camby or some other player they really needed so they took the Brewer
trade at the last minute because MEM finally sweetened the deal. The
Jazz, DWill, most of the team and knowledgeable fans had to know Brewer was not
going to get resigned next year. They are a little weaker right now,
but they have a draft pick. They may be a little stronger by the playoffs if
Mathew/Korver stay healthy and the Jazz get a contributor to replace Brewer. If the Jazz improve there outside shooting by the playoffs the Jazz are
better off. If Mathews develops his inside and outside game a little by the
playoffs the Jazz are no worse off than if they kept Brewer.DWill
has to know that changes have to be made if he wants a ring and a max salary. He
can complain about trades if he give up a 3rd of his salary.
hopefully d-will was just saying this to show he was close to brewdawg and that
he is going to miss him. but i think he still loves utah and him and ronnie can
still get together 4 times a year when they play and they kick their trash and
hopefully we can get a top 5 pick out of this which could be way better than
brewer. i will miss the chocolate milk mustache though.
Hell yeah Deron!!!Jazz blew it.
Jazz lose this and half their remaining games to barely make the playoffs.
First round exit. No playoffs next year.
Reading these posts, you'd think everyone is talking about a team 20 games below
.500, not a team in third place in the conference ready to make a run at No. 2.
What move was out there to put the Jazz over the top? Kevin Martin, a 39 percent
shooter making 10 mil a year? The Jazz are playing exciting ball. Why not enjoy
I agree with Williams. What a stupid, stupid move. D-Will has every right to
be mad at the situation. Nothing good came out of it. We don't want some other
crappy first round draft pick, we want Brewer.
i dont know about you guys but i am super upset about this! you can just tell
that ronnie brings greatness to the team! and he has for years. ronnies is a
great man who has been nothing but loyal! he is a great player are hustler! he
provides energy for the jazz! he was a huge and it was a big HUGE mistake
letting him walk out like that! plus it made the team mad! why would you do
If D-Will or other players (Boozer, AK-47, Memo) aren't willing to take a
paycutt or pay the luxury tax then they have nothing to complain about, the jazz
had to make a business move to be able to afford their star players.
Brewer is definitely replaceable. The Jazz got 3 great years from him but he did
not fully develop and may never. That is why he is a back up at MEM. DWill is also replaceable. The Jazz can and will replace him if needed. A max
salary buys a lot of PG. The Jazz will not die if DWill walks. He is not
Stockton. Stockton sacrificed salary so the Jazz could buy role players. DWill
is no different than Boozer except he is more careful with his mouth most of the
time. The Jazz culture is finally starting to change. They are
starting to act like a team that will make the changes in the long run to build
a contender instead of a basket ball school for players with holes in their
games.The Jazz have to replace average players with better ones.
They also have to get thier salaries under control. Utah has the
same salary as DEN. Who has the better team? DWill can blame his max salary for
part of that.
I agree with deron stupid move we need brewer loose Carlos he just polished his
resume he gone anyway
The question we have to ask is this: Is trading Ronnie Brewer going to prevent
the Jazz from winning a championship THIS season! And the answer is no. He
wasn't the guy that was going to put the Jazz over the top. It does
bother me that KOC tries to act like this wasn't 100% financial. They're saving
money Period.I understand DWill being upset, but he's the leader and his
poor attitude could lead to others having a poor attitude. Sad that he can't be
a bit more professional about it. I didn't see Deron giving up any of HIS money
to keep other guys around so he should probably keep quiet.
Like the trade Brewer is not a shooting guard he has not put in the work to
improve his outside shooting would be gone next year anyway
Williams needs to chill and play basketball. Trading Brewer should not effect
the Jazz at all. Many wings already. Matthews does everything Brewer does but
shoots better. If Brewer is go great why does he almost never finish games?
However, if he is HUGH, why is he playing back up at MEM which is mediocre at
best? What does that say about the Jazz and thier players at SG? It
is perfectly fine to trade players who become back ups on other teams. They
should not have been starting for the Jazz to begin with. The Jazz should have
upgraded SG, back PG and C ages ago. At least they are starting to
do that in a slow way. The Jazz will contend when they get the right players in
the right positions with enough depth. As long as Miller is willing
to pay the luxury tax and replace incomplete starters the fans need to get a
grip. Miller did not dump down below the tax. He is still taking a very big hit.
Renting Brewer for 5 million for the next 30 games was not worth it.
5 Million will buy a lot of player come summer. The Jazz did very
well digging Mathews out of the garbage and seem to have done okay with Gaines.
Lets see what they get to replace Brewer befor you all go ballistic.
No Todd I am not a Sloanaholic.
Way to go Spazz you've traded away another good Pro to save a few bucks so
you'll lose many fans and the closeness of your team, I hope you lose in the
first round yet again.
The Jazz would not have resigned Brewer because he is flawed but still demands
big dollars which means we got a draft pick for a player we were going to loose
for nothing. Plus it gives us flexability this Summer when Kirilenko and Miles
hit the last year of their contracts and allows us to maybe resign Boozer who is
a much better asset than Brewer. Finally remember this: small market teams tend
to be moved when they are not making money!
I honestly prefer watching korver anyways. He is soo just. ah I dont know i
just like watching him. Maybe it's his hair i'm not sure. I just like sitting
behind him when he shoots a quick three.
From the comments DWILL has made now and in the past, he is probably more upset
that nothing was done about the Boozer situation. Maybe, there just wasn't a
deal out there that management felt WOULD make the team better this year. It is
not unheard of these days for your star player to be apprised of these types of
situations. Would have been nice if KOC had ran it by DWILL just to make him
feel included. We will have lots of cap room this summer and the opportunity
with all these picks to move into position to get a real impact player. The Jazz
have played it right. They are a small market team afterall, the fact that they
spend the money to even be over the cap is proof they want a winner.Also, Brewer won't even be starting for the mighty Grizz....I doubt other then
the Jazz, that there is another team in the league that he would start for.
Can anyone say hard salary cap? That is the only way to make the game good
again. The NFL did it and look, the New Orleans Saints won a super bowl!! That
would never have happened under the old "Dallas Cowboys Americas team" concept.
Right now the Lakers are the old Cowboys and will stay that way until a hard cap
is put in place. Teams like Utah will be competative but always a step behind
the rest. O look the Yankees won another worl series! Who cares? They were
suppose to win it. Let managers build teams under a hard cap. Make smart
decisions when you only have X amount to spend. Anyone can build a championship
team with an endless dollar amount. Am I sad to see players like Boozer or
Brewer leave? Sure. Will it hurt if Deron leaves? Absolutly. But put a hard
cap in place and teams will get smarter with thier money and it will give small
market teams a chance to keep thier stars instead of the Lakers or Celtics
offering them max contracts while going 30 million over a soft cap! Make it a
compaetative league again.
It wasn't just KOC's idea to trade, the millers had a hand in it too, stupid
trade for nothing in return.
Once again as I listen to your posts, I know there are only a few that have an
Idea what this is all about. I love Brewer, but he is not a shooter. I cringe
everytime he takes a jumper. The Jazz are in a good postion right now and I
haven't seen this kind of chemistry in a long time with our team. The NBA is a
business and if we want to keep a team here we better let management do their
job. I love D-Will, but my opinion just lowered of him. He is still on the
Jazz payroll and needs to be handling himself as such. You talk about Boozer
making some lame comments, D-will just came up with a major one. Those of you
who want to give your tickets away, give them to me. I think the Jazz are going
deep into the playoffs this year and we don't need a ton of tweaking. Trading
Brewer was a small move, but a needed one. The other players will produce even
better with him out of the way. Meanwhile D-Will, the chemistry issue is on
what moves have they made to build a contender? trading brewer for a draft pick?
who ever they pick wont play for 3 years wich makes it almost 4 from now. i for
one loved watching his game stealing and dunking. about the only thing they hav
fun to watch while they play there pick and roll. almost as bad as watching a
football team that runs the ball every play and plays def. not much fun to
watch. brewer millie and williams all they have to watch. i mean HAD
I loved Brewer, but I also remember his performance in the playoffs against the
Lakers. He was the weak link. I just hope that this trade does not disrupt the
chemistry with Boozer, Millsap, William and AK being the starters. In my mind
it was a good trade.
D-Will is an incredible player, but D-Will hasn't ran a business, he is an
employee. The employers take the biggest risks. I do agree with D-Will as far as
hurting the team short-term, but business is tough right now. Brewer will be
missed, but I think they did what is right for once long-term. Running a
business is extremely complicated (accounting, finance, operations, marketing,
etc...), that is why so many people never own their own businesses. The rewards
may be great, but the risks are just as high. I bet the Jazz lose the next 2
games to make a statement, but I hope I am wrong.
Maybe he should have thought about things like this when he signed for a MAX
deal? Couldn't he survive with a little less money, leaving the Jazz with more
money to keep guys like his "buddy" Brewer? I lost a lot of respect for him
when he demanded MAX money, and his true intentions were revealed (money is
obviously more important to him than winning). You reap what you sow Deron. On a different note, Brewer was not a legitimate STARTING SG. This will
be proven by the fact that he will sit on the bench for the Grizzlies, who are
much worse than the Jazz. Get over it Deron, your team will be better off
because of this. Besides, with your MAX money you can afford to fly to Memphis
everyday for the next 3 years to visit your boy.
it sounds like deron just got a little too close to brewer, he was a sucky
shooter, and we have a slasher/defender that is playing really well right now in
I don't like the fact that he said "that is why I signed a three year contract"
(as opposed to extending for 5 years). The Jazz front office better be careful,
or they will have no chance of keeping D-Will when his contract expires.
Frankly, I agree with D-Will and if the Jazz keep making stupid moves like this
one, I won't blame him for getting out of their as soon as he can.
This trade is exactly why the Jazz are the Jazz... consistently win but never
win a championship.We now can look forward to losing our franchise
player in a couple years............Deron will want to be a champion some
day.Business thought....win championships... get more from TV
rights, get higher ticket sales and prices...like I said, just a thought
Yeah I can't wait for that 15th PICK in the 2011 draft!!!!!!! Brewer and
Kirlinko were our best defenders and we WERE a contender in the west. Someone look up O'Conners last 5 first round draft picks! Our two first round
Ero's just signed long-term deals with their clubs.Thank you Kevin
This is a big deal because of who got better. Houston, Portland, Dallas. The
deal is a net loss.Chemistry matters in team sports. This breaks up
the team. One loss because of the trade could mean dropping to 6 or 7. Unless
you're getting better, you're getting worse.But I'm always cynical
about this stuff.Beware of a Golden State blowout tonight.And Atlanta on Monday will be a brutal game.
Horrible move by greedy Greg!!!
I think it's funny how mad they made D-Will sound in this article. I just
listened to it on the radio and he didn't sound heated. He was very low key and
calm. Sure he expressed his disappointment (I would be disappointed if I lost a
friend as well), but he didn't sound like he wanted to rip anybody's head off.
As far as the trade goes, I think it was a good trade. Ronnie can
hit a jumper here and there, but he is not a shooter like the Jazz need. There
is the argument that Ronnie is a great defender, but stats show that the Jazz
are worst off defensively when Ronnie is in than when he is out. In the past his
shooting percentage has been so great because he can get to the rim and make his
layups. This year he has been taking more jump shots and missing them. His
shooting percentage is way down this year. I agree that the Jazz
most likely wouldn't have resigned him. They found out what he wanted when they
talked about an extension and didn't think he was worth it.
KOC should be fired immediately! This trade was purely to lower the Jazz's
Luxury Tax obligation. Obviously they don't have any intention of improving.
KOC doesn't have a stunning track record either. Just a few of his highlights
include drafting Deshawn Stevenson, Raul Lopez, Kirk Snyder Kris Humphries and
Morris Almond. He traded for Curtis Borchardt, left Sascha Pavolich
unprotected, and wouldn't resign Mo Williams. He has overpaid Kirilenko by about
12 million and CJ Miles by 2 million. We still have a top 10 payroll and at the
end of the year we will have nothing to show for it. Hopefully the state can
hold a fast for the Jazz with the hopes of winning the lottery with the Knicks
It's going to be great when we use the pick to draft someone much better than
Brewer. Who will be complaining then???
.406 FG% .306 3FG% 2.1 RPG 1.3 APGOh, and $45,121.95 per game.
Whats done is done! Dwill needs to start focusing on the task at hand, and
tonight thats the warriors. I belevie that this trade has the ability to rip
the Jazz apart if they are going to mope around about it. They now need to
regroup with who is there and move forward. I still beleive they can beat
anyone if they can play as a team and not become indiviudals like at the first
of the season.I liked brewer, dont get me wrong. However, now maybe
this will open the door this summer to get a Bosh or someone like that, because
we know Boozer doesnt want to stay.
Deron Williams has every right to feel the way he does about the trade. The Jazz
are basically saying they don't really care about the remainder of this season,
getting a first round pick in next years draft, giving up a starter.
Let it be known that Brewer had a HIGH shooting percentage. I don't know why
people keep saying he had a low percentage. His shooting percentage for his
career is 52.3%. Williams is only 46.9 %. I am pissed about this trade! Brewer
was my favorite player on the Jazz hands down.
D. is right. Jazz just got worse. But hey, they still have CJ. What a disaster.
This is why sports is fun! It's a 7 to 9 month drama where you get invested in
the characters and you never know what the outcome will be. Brewer was a loved
player, but this adds an unexpected plot twist! How will the Jazz fair? Tune in
tonight to see!
You are simply missing the point. That is a skewed number b/c of all the layups
and dunks. A SG must be able to shoot the tray and Brewer cannot. Teams surely
don't respect him from outside hence we cannot spread our offense the way we can
with Korver and Matthews. It's not like we don't have a back-up plan here.
Brewer wasn't even playing in the 4th quarter when it counted and he is NOT as
sharp this year...we all know that. Come playoff time Brewer killed us last
year, remember??? Kobe not even guarding him??? Huge problem. He is a great guy
but throw emotion out as he will not be missed. We will be just fine. Good luck
to Brewer....classy guy.
shopped both Boozer and Korver and could not get the deal they wanted. Look at
what Portland gave to get Camby.If it were just about money the Jazz
would have dumped Korver and Brewer for a can of tuna. If Boozer had been dumped
for a draft pick or a mediocre PF with a bad contract half of the posters would
be cheering. There is reason to be concerned that the Jazz have not
added strength like CLE or DAL. However, They have yet to replace Brewer and
maybe they could not get the player they need THIS YEAR to contend. With or without Brewer the Jazz can't beat LA/DEN. If they can get one more 3
point shooter they might have an outside chance. The only other
option was to replace Okur or Boozer and that was to disruptive AND where was
the right player who was available? Camby is the best option I can think of who
actually got traded and I doubt if the Clips wanted any of the Jazz players.
They might have taken the NY pick in return for Camby? Would adding
Camby beat LA/DEN? How about Martin?
Bad move. DWill is totally right on...it was a money move plain and simple.
Ronnie was our best lockdown defender and had more explosion than anyone. He was
also the exception to the norm - a Jazz first-rounder that actually panned out.
I hate how it went down - got his bags off the plane. That's classy.
Brewer was good for slam dunk and that is it. Be rational fellow Jazz fans.
What do we really miss w/ loss of Ronnie Brewer? When was last time you said,
"If it weren't for Brewer we wouldn't have won this game!" How about, "We are
15 for our last 17 thanks to Ronnie Brewer!" You would not think these thoughts
if your life depend on it. It just not the case. Jazz need to cut payroll,
plain and simple. Be grateful for the team we still have.....would you rather
be Washington Wizard? Utah Flash could beat the Wizard. If Jazz lost tonight
or Sunday it will be funny to see all arm-chair GM saying, "SEEEEEEE, Brewer is
that important!!!!" I laugh. Look at Brewer numbers last 17 games....it is
nothing that can't be replaced but Korver and Wesley Matthews. I hope that the
tears dry from your pillow soon. And to you Mr D-Will, be a leader and quit
crying about your boy getting the trade. This is the NBA....grow up and be a
man about it.
The trade was dumb. Coming from a non-Jazz fan. The Jazz GM is not very good.
Trades a lottery pick for a non-lottery pick. I think that Memphis will get in
the playoffs. Ronnie Brewer played well for the Jazz he wasn't a scorer and
didn't need to be. He was a defender which he was the best defender. I don't
know how you get better with trading someone for no one. The only good thing it
did was get money off the books but yet they need another person on their
roster. They are also still over the CAP. I think it was a dumb move. Now who do
they have to guard that star on the other team. Kobe, Wade, Lebron, Melo. Who is
going to guard them? That's what I thought. AK can't keep up with any of them.
The Jazz now won't get out of the first round.
Brewer can't shoot. Everyone that says this hurts our playoff chances is crazy.
Did you not watch the playoffs the last two years. Kobe played so far off
Brewer it was comical. As an extra defender he clogged things up for Williams
and Boozer. The shooting problem is not as big of a deal in the regular season,
but in the playoffs when a team focuses on you for four or more games, it is
huge. Brewer is not a starting shooting guard in this league, he can't shoot.
If the Jazz want to make a serious run in the playoffs, their starting shooting
guard cannot be Brewer. He can't shoot! Name me one team that has made the
finals in the past 20 years who has had a shooting guard that can't shoot. You
can't, there isn't one. Remember Hornacek - the Jazz need a starting shooting
guard that can shoot for their system to really succeed. Matthews and Korver
and even CJ are better options.
Its easy to shoot 50% when you dont shoot from 15ft out. It was hard to think it
was a good trade. But overall, they couldnt agree on an extension in the
offseason. so most likely would have lost him this offseason. Can pkg the pick
for a possible trade. Boozer is gone, gives more to try and sign a player also.
plus it opens minutes for kover and matthews. Wish CJ was traded the only upside
is he is younger, and they invested money last year. D-will is a favorite of
mine, but he needs to think big picture.
He has gutted this franchise...Maynor is gonna be awesome...Brewer is
good...Person & player!
I'm with Dwill on this one. I don't know what they were thinking
Exactly what I said in my earlier post,Brewer may not of had the greatest
stats,but they were decent.What he did have is the trust and admiration of his
teammates.They all knew he was a true Jazzman,come to play every night.I don`t
like this one bit especially in the midst of a heated playoff run,when the teams
around yo are trading to get better,we JUST GAVE AWAY a big part of the puzzle
I can't believe how many people are crying about this trade. I like
Brewer, he seems like a real good guy, and he has been a pleasure to follow and
root for.Brewer is a great athlete, good defender, great teammate BUT he
can't shoot. His shooting percentage is misleading because of his many dunks and
layups. As a shooter he is very poor.Mathews, Korver and CJ can pick up
the slack and the Jazz shouldn't miss a beat. This move should make the
Jazz a better team in the end. Even if it is only because Sloan will be forced
to play Mathews,Korver and CJ more. They can shoot and force the other teams to
play them honest, thereby allowing the Jazz offense to be more effective.
I could not agree more with Deron. And we wonder why the Jazz never amount to
much. This is just another reason for me not to go to the games. They
start to have a little success and then the Jazz go and trade one of the key
elements to that success. NICE.
D-will i'm so so so so sorry this was in fact the most embarrassing trade. we
gave brewer away for practically nothing! at least get us another starter from
another team. were trading a starter for a 2011 rookie? sorry d-will please hang
in there. please!
Kinda funny that most (99%) of us real Jazz fans think Matthews and KOrver will
get most of Brews minutes.Miles will be "ridin the pine" until we can dump
him,which might not be that easy since every team knows he`s a worthless lazy
Wow what a fan base. Sky falling everything is gone no hope. Every player is
expandable unless you are Jordan Kobe on prime time. Even Jabbar was traded.
Deron is one of cornerstone player but he is not Kobe and Lebron, not even Wade.
I hope next year Ak gone, may be Nets. Ak will make any team better and will be
" Play cj more" are you serious ? most of us want him GONE,he`s worthless,no
defense no rebounding no assists,why in the world would you want to play him
more? do you want the Jazz to lose?
No matter what anyone thinks, this is NOT a bad trade. Wes Matthews is twice the
player Ronnie Brewer will ever be. Matthews can shoot and actually be an
offensive threat along with playing exceptional defense. Brewer's contract
expires after this year, and the Jazz would not have re-signed him anyways. So
why not get something out of him rather than nothing? Also, people ask why the
Jazz did not trade Carlos Boozer. May I remind all you Jazz fans that yes, Deron
Williams is the face of the organization, but without Carlos Boozer, the Jazz
would not be where they are.
Managment needs to be "publicly called out" With these fogheads, the only thing
they understand is "tough love"I am watching and still rooting when
they do well, and sad when they do not like any fan.The man is
saying the truth. It is not for me losing Brewer but not getting anything back
he is right/It is getting too personal on here. I rip but I do not
threaten someone's physical being like someone did to me on here todayNo matter what I propose, many of you would not accept it and that is your
loss...Of course I bragged on Haywood, Jeffries was a secondary
choice. If you guys think he is weak in the paint go get educated and get some
tape. Further, take a look at the impact Haywood is happeningRemember the Championship is crowned in June not now
I'm sorry, Todd, but the poster at 3:39 was right on the money. Your comments
were well over the line. You have no credibility in my book.Now,
let's examine two of your arguments. First, the Jazz go nothing back in return.
Wrong! They actually get a player, albeit by draft, at the end of the season.
There is a very good chance Brewer walks and they get no player (or draft pick
to trade), along with no financial relief. Second, we need to
realize the championship is in June. Exactly! That is why we needed to do this
now. We now have time to develop players that the Lakers will have to actually
guard on the perimeter. As someone pointed out elsewhere, the Lakers were able
to ignore Brewer last year, turning him into a liability. I don't like CJ's
shoot first attitude, but he at least poses a threat outside the 5 foot line.My initial take on the trade was negative, but I have now changed my
mind, thanks partially to your blame management for everything, even though you
have no clue what may have actually happened behind closed doors.
I agree with Deron. I don't feel good about the trade right now. Brewer was an
excellent player who always gave his all. It is hard to understand the moves the
This is clearly , that the jazz will never bring home the championship.By
the time the jazz start to get to know their team mate with tack tick, The
management is hungry for their money.I say just boycott the jazz.
Man that is a stretch, trying to find something positive about being a ute fan.
The Jazz have won 15 of their last 17 games, and are well on their way to
winning another. Is this evidence that KOC is clueless? The future looks
brighter for having made this trade, and the present seems to be pretty decent
I see the following pros and cons from the trade:Cons1. The
Jazz lose their second best finisher inside the paint2. The Jazz lose a
good defender3. The Jazz risk losing team chemistry4. The Jazz lose
a classy individualPros1. The Jazz improve their perimeter
shooting through opening up minutes by reducing the logjam at the shooting
guard2. Along with #1, this will actually open up more holes in the middle
for the Jazz to attack as teams are forced to defend the exterior.3.
Matthews will fill the defensive gap while bringing better shooting4. The
Jazz gain a potential trade asset in the draft pick while avoiding potentially
getting nothing for Brewer5. This opens a roster spot for the Jazz to
bring in a role player to fill needsSummaryI would have
preferred to keep Ronnie and lose CJ, but I don't think this is all that bad of
a move. It is risky, but it is certainly not the deathblow some proclaim or
absolute stupidity by management. The jury is still out - lets see where this
If D-Will wants to be PO'd at someone, maybe he should take a look at Boozer.
The reason that the Jazz are in a salary cap quandary is that Boozer pretty much
guaranteed he was going to opt out and then recanted once he figured out that
there weren't any teams that would pay top dollar to have him sit out injured
for 50% of the time.
It is all a non-drafted walk on thirteenth man that got brewer traded. Matthews
is everything brewer is but an akward crooked of the rim shot.Really watch
some games that go to the wire and wes math will be in there playing tough D.
And AK is our best arounf the rim finisher.I would take Matthews D
over brewers any day. He is more physical.
I will miss Ronnie Brewer. He has been a great player for the Jazz. I wish
someone of his caliber didn't have to get traded but that's life, I guess. All
the best to Ronnie Brewer and still wish he was here.
Do you know what goes on behind closed doors?Funny dude. By the way
look at our draft history what assures you a pick will not be waived or dealt
again?Do you know it will not?By the way losing Brewer I
was not upset about, I wanted someone back who could help.I am sorry
he got hurt tonight,. He was carried off in a wheelchair.
Yeah basketball is a game but unlike church ball the NBA is a business. Brewer
is a stud and yeah we'll miss him. He and D-will will still be friends too. Life
Re CL: It would be nice if you would post under your ID so I could respond to
you alittle more personally. I'm glad all of you who rag on CJ, aren't the
ones making the decisions about basketball talent. I'll admit, CJ has
struggled this season with his game but he has more potential than Mathews,
Korver or Brewer and if you want the Jazz to be a better team, you would hope
and want CJ to play to his potential. I'm not pleased with how CJ has played and
I have been criticle of him quit a few times this season, BUT I still see his
talent and hope for him to mature and develope and become the player I see he
can be. He can play the whole game if he tries, that is one of the frustating
things about his play this year. He has not played with the energy and hustle I
think he should and that is why Mathews has moved ahead of him in the
rotation.Time will tell but I think this trade of Brewer will allow both
CJ and Mathews to get more time and improve.
So who make the trade if it wasn't Sloan?Miller?Kevin
O'conner? (or whatever his name is...)
with Cj natural talent if he wanted to he could average 25 ppg he is way better
to me than Kevin Martin and he averaged more than that a couple years ago,
Funny, Todd. I think you know what was meant. It is possible there were signs
that Ronnie was unlikely to resign with Utah. In that case, he could walk at
the end of the year, and the Jazz would have: * NO player to show for
the future (one of your main arguments) AND * NO financial relief of any
type AND * NO draft pick to either use themselves or package as part of
a trade.The Jazz, like all teams, have made boneheaded picks.
However, this at least ensures they will at least HAVE a pick. I suspect the
pick won't actually be used; it will likely be used as part of a package deal to
get an existing player that may make a difference for the future.It
is far to early to know if this was a good move, but it needs time to play out.
The potential pros greatly outweigh the cons Kudos to those who make decisions
based on facts and not hyperbole, uninformed conjecture, and hate.The record of management is far from perfect, but the incredibly consistent
record of winning (among the very best in any sport) tells me all is not lost.
~~~~~~~~~************~~~~~~~~~~~~ This was a sudden notice to here you are leaving Utah, Best
of Luck to you~ ~~~~~~~~~**************~~~~~~~~~~~~
It is a business. CJ signed with Oklahoma, Millsap with Portland, Booze looked
to sign anywhere else. The Jazz will be OK. Pay me millions of dollars, I would
be OK with a trade now and then.
Williams and other professional athletes cannot have it both ways. Either the
NBA is a business, or it isn't a business. Would Williams have been
upset at Brewer at the end of the season when he left the Jazz in search of more
money? Of course not. He would have said it is a business and he's happy his
friend found a good fit for him (i.e. a team that is willing to pay him more
money). If it is "a business" when athletes leave a team for more
money, then the same ought to hold true when the team makes that same
determination a few months before the athlete would have done the same thing
anyway. It is diappointing that Williams fails to realize that the
move was done in an effort to make HIS team better, and that the NBA does not
exist solely for him to keep his buddies on the team for his personal social
benefit, but to the basketball detriment of the team. Williams ought
to step back and objectively look at the trade like the rest of us do. He would
arrive at the same conclusion we did.
CJ Miles better than KMart? You are living in a dream world. KMart is one of
the best scorers in the league, CJ Miles has maybe done 15-20 times was KMart
does night in and night out. Quit posting, you are making us dumber.
The truth is that behind closed doors (listen to 1320, they give
you some insight) Brewer wanted a big contract. He just saw Millsap sign one,
plus Miles got a raise and Brewer plays more than him. Korver sits on the bench
and gets paid $6million. Brewer wanted more money.But shooting
guards of Brewers talent are a dime a dozen in the NBA, and most of them can hit
threes. Wesley Matthews enters the picture proving this. He wasn't supposed to
make the team, but he does and makes Brewer expendable (he will also force Kobe
to play defense, so no more 5 on 4)Either Matthews or Brewer was
gone this year anyways. Brewer would have wanted $4-6million, the Jazz will
keep Matthews for under $3. Plus now they get a draft pick.
Maybe Boozer can help bring in Big Z!!!! When he gets bought out!!! They played
in Cleveland together awhile back!!
It's embarrassing to be a Jazz fan after reading this blog. Why pay the luxury
tax when you have zero chance of winning the championship? Why keep Brewer now
and lose him in the off season for nothing in return? Do you guys really think
Brewer is going to effect the win loss column that much? I love Deron as much as
the next fan but you can't have him making personnel decisions, otherwise we'd
have a team with Dee Brown and Roger Powell JR. You fans that want the Jazz to
keep Brewer and accuse the Jazz front office of not wanting to win are the same
knuckleheads that want to trade Boozer! Do you want to win or do you want
likable players on your team? This trade gives the Jazz a better chance to win
the championship in the future. They had zero chance this year with Brew
Deron Williams is a great player and seems like a great person. Despite that,
when players are getting paid millions of dollars per year, I don't feel sorry
for them when another player is moved because of money issues. If Deron wanted
Ronnie to be on the team so bad, then he should have taken less money so that
Jazz could get/keep more good players. You can't have it both ways. If Deron
gets a max money contract, then the Jazz will end up making moves that may not
seem to make sense. My guess is Brewer's agent was wanting to get Brewer a big
new contract after the season is over and the Jazz weren't willing to pay so
they made a move now to ensure they get something in return for Brewer and they
did, a 1st round pick and a few million in savings. Brewer & his agent decided
money was more important. Too bad Jazz management made past decisions to
overpay CJ & AK because that contributes some. Nothing they can do about it
now. The Jazz can always sign Brewer back next year and they'll have the 1st
If Brewer wants to be on the Jazz then he can sign next year for a reasonable
amount and the Jazz will have Ronnie & the 1st round pick. If money is more
important to Ronnie, then he should be glad he was traded & Deron should be
happy for him.
Ronnie Brewer seems like a great guy. He's very athletic, gets a lot of steals
and dunks. That is great.But Ronnie Brewer can't hit a jump shot.
Wesley Matthews can. Simple as that. O'Connor was asked if Brewer
would have been traded if they did not have Wesley Matthews emerge the way he
has, and he said no.Kobe did not have to guard Brewer on the
perimeter in the playoffs, which caused problems for the Jazz bigs. Kobe will
have to respect the perimeter play to a greater extent with Matthews on the
floor.That is why this is a good trade. And if the Jazz can package
the Knicks and Grizzle picks to move up in the lottery to get a real talent,
this trade is even better. Bitter Jazz fan does realize that is how O'Connor
got Williams, right? If O'Connor had not made moves like this in the past, the
Jazz would have Martell Webster instead of Deron Williams.Are these
bitter, angry fans criticizing O'Connor the same bitter, angry Cougars fans who
wanted Norm Chow fired? Go away, bitter, angry Cougar fan.
Deron needs to man up!
We WILL get better because of this. Anyone who says we got worse (including
D-Will) is only seeing this in the short term. In the next 2 weeks, we will pick
up a really good back-up big - maybe Z, Ratliff, Landry, Armstrong, or Milicic.
The teams who took over 2 players in a trade will start waiving players and
we'll be the beneficiary!
Whenever someone tells you it's not about the money you can rest assured it's
about the money. This fabulous draft pick deal we got is about as beneficial as
getting nothing. KOC needs to quit patting himself on the back and admit that he
made the team worse to save a few bucks. Period.
Good Luck Jazz!Doing great as Team mates are Getting,Carded Around
Back&Forth..The Name of the Game~
You can't remember last playoff series against the Lakers?Kobe
standing 12 feet from Brewer daring him to shoot it?Brewers
jump-shooting is TERRIBLE and it has actually gotten worse!!Sure he
gets almost a couple of steals a game but the reality of it is that he blew some
defensive assignments by gambling and not staying in front of his man.The Jazz own internal stats say that Matthews was a better defender than
Brewer anyhow.So what are you losing?Matthews is a
better defender and shooter and now he will get more minutes.Maybe
now we can spread the floor better to keep the inside game going.Brewer KILLED US LAST YEAR in the playoffs!!!D-Will-I understand
he will miss his friend but this is not highschool for crying out loud.Grow up TORREY ELLIS!!!We now have 2 first round picks which could
end up allowing us to trade up in the draft and potentially get a decent big man
inside/We were not beating the Lakers this season anyways so what
does it matter if we trade Brewer for another bargaining chip?Nothing, I say.
"It's always about the money!".....I personally feel that we need more
Basketball Players who WANT to play besides the money.....obviously , they have
talent and they want to be compensated but whatever happend to players who love
to play for their franchise Vs dealing with lucrative mega deals?? it seems that
the fans are the one who pays the price..