There are some seriously twisted viewa on here and I'm thinking it's the mecury
and lead in the water causing it. Just like the mold spores and the Salem witch
I'm moving to UTAH... John Moses Browning is my hero.The greatest gun maker who
ever lived. King never did one thing to improve my life or give me any reason to
celebrate his existance.I personnelly carry brownings model 1911 daily to
protect myself and family from MLK extremeists.....
I am not a fan of Martin Luther King, but this has to be a really stupid idea.
We have too many holidays, even when combined they loose their signifigance.
Maybe the voters should vote this guy out of office for masquerading
as a serious politician. Oh, that is right there is no such thing as a serious
politican, just self ego seekers.
Celebate Brown's birthday all you want. Put a bumper sticker on your Hummer for
all I care. So when did conservatives start thinking the government
was the answer to thier party decisions?Talk about big government.
For once live your own rules, then get back to the rest of us about
how we should be cutting down government.
To Bishop Kinlaw, It apprears that this ludicrous idea has been
abandoned, and we only wish that someone had told Madsen it was a stupid idea
and not to bring it up.
Utah may be the last state to celebrate MLK day, but the community college in
my county has yet to celebrate it, and the first time I ever got it off was as a
freshman at BYU, we never got it off at my public school in Michigan.
This shows real intelligence...Celebrate a GUN and its maker as a state
holiday....What would Plato or Socrates would have thought of this debacle.No
brains politics. What about a holiday for the Peacemaker and Peace
Is this Madsen guy serious? He seems to have too much time on his hands and has
nothing better to do. How did he get elected in the first place? I think there
needs to be a law to have mandatory tests and evaluation of the mental fitness
of both the voters and the candidate, especially the latter.While
we're at it, why don't we have state holidays for all "famous" Utahns? ...maybe
Ken Jennings too will have one.
Why people in the world take a dim view of Utah and it's Church? Here's one
How would everyone feel if the Browning holiday were to be shared with
Christmas?Now do you understand why sharing it with another holiday
DOES make a difference?
I have a dream, that someday all God's children in Utah will realize that black,
white, and brown people can live together in harmony and peace.I
have a dream, that someday all God's children in Utah will never have to go to
war again, laying down their guns and joining hands with the world to sing
Cumbyeyah on the football field at Lehi High.Mixing Browning with
King has made us the butt of many jokes to come. Good grief.
Absolutely true. Apparently, it is close to the surface too.
Well, Presidents Washington and Lincoln now share a holiday. I think Browning
deserves the honor. And its not as if King is NOT being remembered. This is
his birthday - not the day of his death. THe NAACP reactio is overblown. He
has a street in his name in SLC and every other major city eventhough he is not
the hero of the people exiled here in 1847. The NAACP can choose to be offended
-- or not.
Anonymous must be jesting about creating a holiday for a religious leader (of
the Mormon persuasion) who led his followers through great sacrifices searching
for freedom from persecution, and economic prosperity.I can just
imagine the howls from the defenders of Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King were it
proposed the Brigham Young or Joseph Smith holidays be created on any day of the
year.Maybe not all men (or religions) are as politically correct as
others, and while we are obligated to honor one, we must abjure others.
John M. Browning was born on the 23 Jan 1855. The holiday should be on that day
to honor his birth.
if Martin Luther King was shot with a Browning, Utah is simply rubbing salt into
the wound.why would anyone give a gunmaker his own holiday? is Utah
so deperate? why not make one of your prophet's birthday's a holiday?just out of curiosity - the guy that wrote the BOM - Joseph Smith - is his
birthday a state holiday? wouldn't that be more in line with your religious and
B Parker: I realize you were being sarcastic, but I really got a good laugh from
your suggested name for the holiday!!Bishop Kinlaw: what exactly
does your being a former LDS bishop have to do with this subject? I can see how
your being a "man of color" could be considered relevant to some. To that point
can I include in my opinion that I am a woman of not-color (or a woman of
white)? Does that make my opinion any more or less important then yours on this
subject? If people are going to argue that Martin Luther King Jr is
not only a hero for people of a specific race then comments like yours are not
very helpful.Honestly I would consider this entire proposed law a
good reason for a Palm-Face maneuver. The thought is there (to honor a local
Utah man with natinoal and international acclaim) but I would have to agree that
the timing is a bit . . off. With such big issues at stake this year is this
really the time to deal with something like this??
The NRA is going to love this. Why can't the legislature police itself for
totally stupid ideas?
Word on the Hill is that MLK Day is off the table. Apparently, MLK Day was only
one possible day considered for a Browning Day and nobody had settled on the
third Monday in January. Maybe it was discussed because Browning's birthday is
right around then?Both Browning and King's legacy are astounding.
People don't know quite as much about Browning, but the guy was truly
remarkable. Both King and Browning made amazing contributions to the
advancement of freedom. Hopefully, both will find a suitable day to be
What a twisted idea. What's wrong with those clowns up there on Capitol Hill??
Utah should have a mental health day and all Legislators should get their heads
candled. And then everyone who voted for them should get their heads candled.
This kind of reminds me of the Easter Bunny and Jesus.One is to take
your mind off the other. Anyhow Federal Trumps State. If
this is passed it will be a Trivia Question in 5 years.The Browning
was used to Kill, Native Americans and Blacks so it might also be considered
Raciest.Thank you Mr. Browning. Because of further development of
your Weapon, I was able to Guard America against Communist with my M14 and later
my M16. I assure you I felt much safer being able to kill more people faster,
and better and at longer range. My Children also thank you.
Browning is awesome, but we don't need a holiday named after him. This really
comes across as politicians using him to curry favor with gun enthusiasts. The
idea of sharing the holiday with MLK day is obviously offensive to many and
unfairly drags Browning into an argument he has no part of.If you
want to honor him put one of his guns on display in the capitol building or
something. Or name one of his firearms the "State Gun."
I understand that there is a reason to honor the breakthrough in civil rights
but I do not believe that we should have a day honoring one man, not ANY ONE
MAN. If this is the case, where is the day for Lincoln, Washington, Franklin,
and many other individuals. We have a "Presidents" day, but again, no one
individual. That is the problem.
In my personal opinion I think this is being blown way out of proportion by both
sides. 1. The Senator isn't saying he won't budge or change the date. 2.
Although it would be a major oversite whose to say the preposed date wasn't set
fourth before the Senator realized it was the same as MLK Day. I don't think it
was done to offend anyone, yet not doing one's homework often leads to having to
do a lot of extra busy work to remedy situations which could have and should
have been avoided.
I am not a student of MLK., but I find it hard to believe that he would be
against the achievements of Browning. Browning's work was used in many hunting
weapons that put meat on the table.
As a former LDS Bishop and a man of color I can't believe Utah is talking about
having this man share the same holiday as Dr.King. Wow am speechless...
John M. Browning was the most successful firearm inventor of all time. Very few
of his inventions were actually sold by the "Browning" name. Most were sold
under the names of Colt, Winchester, FN (in Belgium) and also Remington and
Savage.His inventions include most of the most famous sporting
firearms in addition to his well known military arms. Many of his civilian
designs are still in production.Most Utah families have owned and
used one or more of Browning's designs to put food on the table, or for self
defense.Browning's hand made prototypes are on display in Ogden's
Union Station Museum of the following:Browning single shot rifleWinchester Model 1894 ".30-30" and the similar Model 1892 and 1886 lever
action rifles.Winchester Model 1897 pump shotgun. (Nearly all of
those are still being made after more than 100 years!)Remington
Model 11 or 1100 semi auto shotgunBrowning superposed (over-under)
shotgun.Colt Model 1911 .45 semi-auto pistol- the most imitated
pistol in the world.Colt .25 and .32 and .38 semi-auto pistolsBrowning High Power pistolNot to mention his many machine guns for
This demonstrates to me what is wrong with our elected officials. With all the
challenges we face as a state why are we spending time, energy, and money on a
holiday, much less a holiday of this nature. If the elected officials have so
much time and energy to focus on drafting up these bills then maybe they should
have a furlough and/or a pay cut. Are they really earning their paycheck? How
many Utah's would have come up with this as an important matter of state
business. Please let's focus on the things that will benefit the people of
Utah. Lets use our energy and focus on overcoming the challenges. This is in
my opinion a pure waste of time. Rep Madsen you have lost my vote and I will do
whatever I can to see that Rep Madsen does not get re-elected. How about Rep
Madsen do something that will benefit your constituents? How about Rep Madsen
do something that that represents your constituents? Rep Madsen I think you
need to do some studying on what your elected job is and what it should not be.
I love the pro-gun people on these comments. You're entertaining to say the
least!It's NOT about the guns! It's about the man! If, and I do
mean IF he deserves a Holiday, lets celebrate him and his life, not his
'product'. By having this holiday, your constitutional right to
bear arms will not be strengthened! Nice try.
Is Browning really worthy of a holiday? I know he was successful in business.
But what else? I'd bet there are more important business men in our State's
history. The late Larry Miller for one, the Huntsmans, etc... Why would we
honor Browning above them? If someone out there knows of a greater contribution
than Browning business endeavors, please let me know! Unless there is more to
this than what it appears we'd simply be honoring him for his business
(guns).... would we not? Why not have a "Farnsworth" day? I watch
more T.V. than I shoot guns! And I do own both!!
Just because one legislator has proposed a bill doesn't mean that it will pass -
so let's not condemn the whole group - at least not yet. John M. Browning was a
great Utahn and should be honor for his contributions to our country but not on
the Martin Luther King holiday and I am a supporter of the 2nd amendment.
Another day must be used to honor Mr. Browning. There is another great American
born on January 17, 1706, who I always believed should be honored for his
contributions to our nation. In fact, one can make the argument that without
him there would be no United States of America. His influence to gain the
assistance of the French in our efforts against the English helped us gain our
independance. If another great American is to be celebrated on the same day as
Martin Luther King, Jr., then it would be Benjamin Franklin - one of our
founding fathers and also a great inventor.
First of all why does the State of Utah (legislators) think another state
holiday is necessary? If Madsen or others really want to appease themselves and
the populace then have a holiday on the Friday before the MLK holiday. That way
some of us could have a four-day weekend. Of course that will never happen. The
best options are: 1) Have a day of recognition for Browning, such as his
birthday or, 2) do nothing at all about him. If anyone wants to honor John
Browning let them go buy one of his guns.As far as honoring anyone
else on the same day as the current MLK holiday, what criteria should be used to
determine who such a person could be? No matter who would be selected there will
surely be some of us that will have a hissy fit about it. Some of
you appear a bit self-righteous in your comments; you don't know who you are but
the rest of us do, and believe me, your idols are going to be voted out of
Congress in the coming elections.
Are they going to change the name to "Bibles and Bullets Day"?
For a minute, let's first dissect the proposed state holiday from MLK Day. He
is actually proposing a state holiday, meaning that state employees would get a
vacation day? What kind of fiscal management is that. Now add MLK Day back
into the equation and it's insane. For those saying that MLK only support
blacks, I will say that you are not true Americans. A true American believe in
"equality and justice for all" and not a segregated America. MLK helped ALL
Americans. It's truly scary how myopic and narrow minded some of these posters
We NEED to start impeachment proceeding on any elected official that would
support putting the legacies of these two men on the SAME DAY!!Martin Luther King Jr's legacy is Peace.Guns bring Destruction!!
They ARE weapons ofDESTRUCTION!!!The gun is/was one of
mankind's worse inventions.With bow and arrow, and other means
before guns wereinvented, people (humans) were able to feed themselves.Guns in the hands of Bad People have Killed AbrahamLincoln, JFK,
Joseph Smith, and Countless othersover the years since their invention.To celebrate a Gun Maker and a Nobel PEACE PRIZEwinner, known for
preaching non-Violence, on the same day is TOTALLY In-sensitive and In-appropriate!! PS: I did get the Markmanship merit badge in the
Boy Scouts program when I was a kid. Most of my ancestryis from the
British Isles and I am "white" on the ethnicity chart.Elected
officials SHOULD KNOW BETTER!!!
We already have special days to recognize gun inventors. They're called
Why we in Utah celebrate MLK day is beyond understanding. We should celebrate
what's important to us and people who have made a major impact in our lives.
Browning is a man to be honored for all his accomplishments. MLK, history will
show him for who he was and will not always be kind to him or his decendents.
Sen. Majority leader Scott Jenkins thinks it appropriate as well. He says,
"Guns keep peace." Does he realize how Dr. King died? Guns keep peace? Hmmm,
I thought people did.
The only bad thing about living in Utah is putting up with all the whiners that
Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports.
"Never seen a gun cause liver failure"So no one has ever been shot in the
NO WAY!! Guns are not a cause to celebrate. And Martin Luther King was a truly
great man. While Browning may have done something worthwhile he was, in the
end, just a businessman who put together a product and a company that has stuck
around. He is NOT on a par with Martin Luther King and he is NOT someone who
should be given a holiday of his own. Utah politicians really are in a world of
their own and more often than not really are nut-cases.
I am once again ashamed to have ever considered myself a Utah Republican.There is nothing wrong with honoring Mr. Browning, but if you believe
that is the real reason for this bill, then I have some beachfront property I
would like to sell you.
The only reason for going through with the merged holiday is that it would tick
off Jeanetta Williams to no end. That, in itself, makes it a worthy endeavor.
John Moses Browning should be honored with a State Holiday. But NOT, on MLK day.
People this ignorant should not be making laws.I'm all for MLK day,
Civil Rights History etc.However, I also believe Washington and
Lincoln should not share the same day as a National Holiday.We as a Nation
should also have a National Founding Fathers Month, just like Black History
Month.Kids are not being taught abut the founding of this Nation,
anymore. A School in La. removed as it's name, George Washington, and re-named
it. Streets are nemaed in SLC for people who never stepped foot in this stae,
which is fine. But where are the streets named for it's founder, Brigham Young
in SLC. Zero, Zip, Nada.I'm all for exclusively honoring Dr. King
and the Civil Rights movement as is. But, other notable leaders should also be
honored, on other days.Saving money? The State is closed on Fridays
anyway, therefore there are many other weeks one could choose.There
is a little thing called tact, which this lawmaker apparently does not have.
Cody Judy, Ted Bundy, Susan Powell's husband, Latrell Sprewell, Donte
Stallworth, Plaxico Buress, Sadam Hussein, Barry Bonds and John Edwards all want
a day too.
The selective outrage by the NAACP perplexes me. Where was the outrage when the
legislature decided leaders of the stature of Washington and Lincoln had to
share a day, while King got a holiday on his own? If it's okay for Washington
and Lincoln to share a holiday, why shouldn't King share one as well? What's
good for the goose is good for the gander.
John M. Browning was born on January 23, 1855 according to his tombstone
(although some sources claim January 21st). The fact that this is nearly the
same date as Dr. Martin Luther King's birthday is an matter of history, not some
devious plot to dishonor Dr. King. Racists can refuse to
acknowledge those facts and demand "separate but equal" holidays.Where was the liberal outrage over combining the separate holidays honoring
Abraham Lincoln and George Washington into a single day. (Which was done mainly
to avoid adding another paid federal holiday when they wanted to add a day to
honor Dr. King!)On a similar note, November 11th, "Armistice Day"
became "Veterans' Day" to honor vets of all wars, not just World War I.John M. Browning was a great American, and one of Utah's greatest citizens and
is deserving of recognition.Honor King and Browning on the same day,
because their birth dates nearly coincide.Fact!
This proposal is one of the worst ideas to come from a bad idea Legislature.
Why poke people in the eye? You have one party control, the lust for guns here
is unfettered, and you are seen as totally crazy by the rest of the country.
Isn't that enough?
That's cool that Browning was from Utah. I was not aware of that.The Holiday would never pass. The NAACP and Liberals would see to that. They
would focus on the fact that King was killed by a guy with a gun.Although, guns have saved countless lives and liberated many nations. Maybe
we could have a holiday for Eli Whitney as well.
I see no problem. Guns DO keep peace. Dr. King may have been murdered by a man
using a gun, but there are also many citizens whose lives have been saved using
guns. And besides that, in that murder it's not like Mr. Browning pulled the
trigger - so I would like to know how the many talking heads focused on
exclusively in this article can get away with accusing him of being the exact
opposite of a peaceful man?
Betcha if John Browning was black Jeanetta Williams would be singing a different
I really admire John Browning. A holiday would be great. Probably picked the
wrong day though, going with MLK day. Need to think about things a little more
John Browning provided much skilled employment for many of my Belgian relatives,
so he's a good guy in my book. While I question the concept of
celebrating Browning on MLK's day, could someone tell me what's been gained by
moving the start of the legislative session back a week? The legislature used to
have elaborate ceremonies honoring King during their opening session, now MLK
holiday is nothing but a day off for govt employees and a few other lucky souls.
There seem to be several legislators who need to have their names continuously
before the public: Buttars, Dayton, Whimmer, Madsen. They have a need to be
recognized, even they often come across as fools. Why?
Why not celebrate along with Lincoln's birthday?
This is a GREAT idea. Both great men who made significant contributions to
society. If you are going to honor some, you have to honor others. Blacks
should be proud to honor a man who made so many contributions to the shooting
sports and military and personal safety. One of the freedoms most denied black
people was the right of self defense and liberty to own a gun. To say John
Browning shouldn't be honored is both racist and exclusionary.Let's
hear it for MLKJMB day!mattm
Guns don't keep the peace. People trained in law enforcement do. Guns would not
have helped MLK on that April 4th. For those who think Browning was key in WW2:
Browning didn't defeat Nazism any more than anyone else who made armaments in
WW2 did. I'll leave the WW2 honors to the Veterans, thank you very much.
Here's your sign!!!!!I am absolutely dumbfounded by the lack of
correct knowledge, racism, etc... but mostly just plain old common sense. I am
so disgusted with all the UNJUST minority help which deters the need for them to
help themselves.If guns are so bad - lets compare the gun deaths to
alcohol deaths. We as a country - not a pathetic state like most of you claim -
would then have to immediately stop the sale or availability to alcohol. Does
alcohol kill or humans who chose alcohol kill? Never seen a gun cause liver
failure...... and the comments could go on and on but they don't!!! Because
Jesse and AL might just want a glass of wine and it might just make them
unpopular with all their minority followers. How many of you naysayers would
have to shut up because you use alcohol or drugs. Facts are MLK was
incredible and deserves his holiday - not because he is black or opposed
violence but because of everything he accomplished for all of us. Mr. Browning
seems to have also merited a holiday but not on the same day. Move the day and
get to better subjects.
hahah you all make me laugh... this is so important to our every day quality of
life... Hahahahahhahahha. I feel sorry for everyone that gets so offended about
a day... what the hahahahhahah.. Chalk up another laugh for the stupid
legislature that continues to make most issues they touch laugable.... to bad
the ones I voted for didn't get in and no I don't vote straight rep or dem...
hahahah still laughing... By the way Who cares what name it has as long as we
get a day off. OK flame me.. Cause I'll still be laughing.. hahahahh
I think today should be called "Ashamed to be from Utah Day"
RE: DavisI don't agree that this is thinly disguised Utah racism,
but I do think this is another example of blatant stupidity and ignorance
raising its ugly head. I don't think the objective of this proposed legislation
is racist, but that is certainly how it will be perceived.Personally, I'm sick of the rampant ineptitude that has permeated our state
legislature. I'm not voting for any incumbents in the next election.
"I am of the opinion that the Wehrmacht's MG42 was a superior weapon to the
Browning Automatic Rifle."Apples and oranges. The BAR was an
automatic rifle designed for one-man operation, while the MG42 was a crew-served
machine gun.The MG42 would be more comparable to the Browning M2
heavy machine gun, a weapon so reliable and effective that it is still in use
with the US armed forces nearly 100 years after its introduction.John Browning's inventions -- the 1911 pistol, the BAR, and the M1919 and M2
machine guns helped the US destroy Nazism, imperialism, and communism, three of
the greatest threats to freedom the world has ever seen.Browning
deserves a holiday for that, IMHO.
Are you kidding me? I am all for guns and I am a gun owner - What are they doing
up there on the Hill? We need to focus on important issues and how to take care
of the people/education/balance the budget of this State-Get Real! and focus on
This is too funny. Wow where the priorities. As long as there's a holiday to
celebrate guns..wow this is just a shame. So stupid.
They just keep making it harder and harder to defend the people and the state of
Utah...I am now officially embarrassed to tell people that I live
MLK Day | 6:55 a.m. Feb. 18, 2010 "For example in Mississippi they added a
celebration of Robert E. Lee (Confederate General) to MLK Day."I
didn't think the savage irony of linking a firearms maker to a committed
pacifist and gun victim could be topped, but apparently the fine folks of
Mississippi have done it. Hurrah for Mississippi, the state that saves Utah
from being on the bottom of every ranking for stupidity and general social
Are you serious? It's not about worship, it's about honoring a man
who worked hard to make our country better.Browning was a key to our
history, but he was out to make a buck, which he did! If we as a State are
going to honor him, that's great, lets do it on a State Holiday like the 24th of
July! Lets see how those Liberal Mormons like it!
I have watched the Utah Legislature devolve for 40 years, but this is the most
frightening session I can ever recall. Blatant racism, insensitivity, arrogance
above science, absolutely horrifying.
Lasergirl, etal - Guns do not kill people. A gun did not kill Dr. King. People
using guns kill people. Trying to connect Browning to MLK's death is like
trying to blame the engineers as GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc., for every automobile
death. We all have agency and sometimes when that agency is exercised, innocent
people suffer. Just as locks keep honest people honest, an armed society is a
The only time I am embarrassed to say I am from Utah is when the legislature is
in session. This is a prime example of why.
I love the idea of celebrating the birthdate of John Browning on that Monday.
Gun control had its roots in racism, as shown in history Dr. King should be
proud to celebrate a day with another champion of freedom!
MLK Day is piggy backed in several states with additional honors. However, I
believe it is a stupid attempt to get more support for the holiday itself. For
example in Mississippi they added a celebration of Robert E. Lee (Confederate
General) to MLK Day. Many Americans fail to realize the importance of Martin
Luther King Jr. because they believe it to be based on the Civil Rights movement
for African Americans, in truth MLK worked to advance the rights of all
Americans. He helped in LBJ's "war on poverty". When killed MLK was in Memphis
helping garbage workers (regardless of race) with improving their working
conditions and pay. When we try to piggy back this holiday we ARE making MLK's
contributions less than what they were. In Utah the civil rights era was
probobly much less than in the south and east. We have a very, very small
minority populations. But for American as a whole it was and is a big part of
our history. We in Utah should not make it "cheap" because it suits our
purposes. Utah is a part of the United States of America. All US history
should be relevant and honored.
Thinly disguised Utah racism once again raises its ugly head.
I am an avid gun owner and proud that Browning firearms are based in Utah. But
come 'on, this proposal is ridiculous. Mixing MLK day with a proposed
celebration of Mr. Browning should be considered material for the Jay Leno
Is this really an insult to MLK? REALLY? Would Dr. King be against the
celebration of American Freedoms on a day that is set aside to commemorate his
fight for liberty? Racial equality was one area where Dr King was successful
thankfully, but it wasn't the only issue he stood for. He was far from the
opportunist politicians that invoke his name to no end.Are you aware
of the racist roots of gun control measures? To celebrate firearm freedom is to
celebrate freedom. What better way to celebrate the good name of a major
champion of human rights by celebrating human rights? It was never about Dr.
King as a personality. It was about what he stood for.The big lie
that robs African Americans of their American heritage is that the fight for
racial equality was part of the plan all along. They aren't aware that part of
the reason the revolution was fought was that the King of England was utilizing
the slave trade. Early drafts of the Constitution even attempted to free all of
the slaves to enjoy what was attempted, a society based on natural rights, not
the law of man.
We need sweeping change in Utah. This is embarrassing.
Its like the Utah Senate has gone nuts - like the parents aren't home and the
kids are just running the joint. What about the budget deficit and big losses
facing education? These bills get crazier by the day, feels like I'm in the
twilight zone. May cooler heads prevail.
Nothing could make me more embarrassed to admit that I am from Utah. If this
gun guy absolutely has to have his own state holiday, and he was a 'pioneer',
then lump him in with Pioneer Day instead of MLK. I'm not necessarily a huge
fan of MLK the man, but what he has come to universally represent is the value
of every person as an individual. This is the stupidest proposal I can
imagine-- #1 on Letterman's Top Ten List for how to make everyone in the U.S.
absolutely hate you.
I thought here in Utah it was called Civil Rights day not MLK day, I guess I
could be wrong but man honestly if this wasnt reported no one would ever no
about it and it would be no it deal at all. Most of the stuff that the
government does no-one knows about anyway, the only time anyone cares is when it
pits a group of people against another.
This is the stupidest thing you've EVER done!
"Holding both holidays on the same day was proposed as a money-saving measure,
Niederhauser said."There couldn't be a better economic stimulus than
a holiday. Don't most people vacation, shop, spend money on home improvement
projects on holidays. Where do they come up with the figures for the cost of
"lost productivity" due to holidays???
It's gotten to the point where I'm wary to even read the Utah news each day to
see what the next legislative boondoggle/national embarassment will be. Another
taxpayer leaving the state...
BTW, Browning's birthday is Jan. 23. Just honor him on another day than MLK
and my "re" asks "You should try listening to Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton
sometime."I have. I find them offensive, most of the time. They
are dinosaurs trotted out to give sound bites - much like David Duke and Pat
Buchanan do for the right.But what do Sharpton and Jackson have to
do with this debate? Are you trying to say that only black people
can be offensive? You just proved yourself wrong.
Lets change the 24th of July to Karl Malone Day.He was born then.
That is better than someone’s who's "birthday is believed to be around"
there.Plus, he did a lot of good for Utah. And there were no guns
What is clear from the comments of the opponents to this bill is that the real
basis of the objection is that they do not want to share MLK with any other
great American. They should just come out and say it. They are entitled to the
opinion. I disagree. Does including another great American on MLK Day minimize
the accomplishments of Dr. King? If it does, then why aren't these same people
screaming about President's Day? Abraham Linclon, who like King, gave his life
for the cause of equality does not have his own day. My problem with this whole
debate is the unfounded attacks on John Browning. He was a great American who
contributed to the cause of freedom. The fact that he invented and manufactured
firearms does not diminish his character or accomplishments. He did nothing
wrong or immoral by providing this country with the tools it needed to preserve
As if Utah critics needed yet another bone. This is insane. Makes you
embarassed to tell people you're from Utah when you get associated with such
You should try listening to Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton sometime. Jackson uses
those terms all the time, thus perpetuating the idea of monolithic "races". I
don't consider myself in the "white community" and neither do any of my
"racially diverse" friends consider themselves in any sort of "community"
defined by physical characteristics like those.
OH stop with guns saved us from the Nazi's crap. Guns kill people. A gun killed
Martin Luther King. It is ideas like this that remind me of the priesthood ban
and the racism shown to Blacks in this hateful state. Honor Browning if you
want, although I think there are better candidates than that, but don't do it on
the Martin Luther King Day. And ... can we please shorten the legislative
session to about five days? Make it three?
You've got to be kidding me! The national papers are going to get a hold of
this story and we'll be the laughing stock of the nation. They'll all remember
that we were the LAST state in the nation to even celebrate MLK holiday. This
is going to go over worse than the "Utah wants to cut the 12th grade stories"
that have widely circulated the media as of late.
no way, come on, don't do it. MLK is relevant to everyone. I vote to honor
Browning on Halloween. I'm not a liberal.
Just what we need, another paid holiday for our goverment officials..
Just what we need,another paid holiday for our goverment officials..
"Browning's birthday is believed to be around Jan. 21, and he died at age 71 in
1926"So they don't know when he was born?Do these people
know anything about PR?Keep up the good work Utah.
Deseret Dawg -- "Dr. King was a legitimate hero to the Black community, but he
certainly wasn't relevant or beneficial to the White community"You
know what, Deseret Dawg? ANYONE who capitalizes the colors of people's skin,
has obviously been reading Aryan racist literature.As a white woman,
I'm appalled that you don't understand what Dr King and other civil rights
leaders did for ALL races, religions and genders.
"During the 1930s the German Army introduced the MG 34, considered to be the
first modern general purpose machine gun. Equipped with a quick-change barrel,
the MG 34 could fire for much longer periods of time than weapons like the
Browning Automatic Rifle and Chatellerault LMG, while being much lighter than
crew-served weapons like the Vickers machine gun."
I am of the opinion that the Wehrmacht's MG42 was a superior weapon to the
Browning Automatic Rifle. So, if we are going to be celebrating firearm
inventors, let's give a shout out to the third reich. Don't get me wrong,
I'm not a huge fan of the Nazis, but hey, they made a heckuva killing machine.
Evet- Amen! Exactly my thoughts!
Evets MLK day is about honoring more than the man. It is about honoring our
progression away from slavery and the recognizing that we are indebted to the
early slaves. THey are truly responsible for the development of America
I commend Rep. Madsen for finally making MLK Day relevant to all Americans. Dr.
King was a legitimate hero to the Black community, but he certainly wasn't
relevant or beneficial to the White community. Frankly, I'm tired of MLK being
ramrodded down our throats year after year. Browning, on the other
hand, invented a tool useful to all Americans.
Honoring a gun maker on MLK day is a slap in the face to what he stood for. It
is offensive and idiotic.
Mark: I love it. Didn't know you had the "guts" to tick off so many liberals!
Great idea and well deserved.Hey, if we can merge Washington's and
Lincoln's birthday into one day why not King and Browning. Not to distract from
King or Browning but I feel like Washington and Lincoln are both more deserving
of their own holidays than the other two.So come on Libs: Let's
respect and remember King not worship him.
This is absolutely ridiculous. I say why don't we have it on "Presidents Day"
since this has to deal with guns. Of all the days to choose from it lands on a
day where we celebrate a civil rights leader whom has done more for a nation and
who has helped to open the gates of opportunity for many minorities. If you ask
me I say this Bill will not last very long. To put a man, who no one has ever
heard about on a day with a great civil rights leader is absolutely ridiculous.
If you ask me it sounds like someone who still has mixed feelings about African
Americans and the minority group in other words people are upset with the
progression of the minority generation.
RE: Billy @ 4:42You're absolutely right. Guns helped stop the Nazi
army, so we should have a day to celebrate John Browning. Along
those same lines, nuclear weapons helped defeat the Japanese. I think our
legislature should declare August 6th (the day Hiroshima was bombed) a state
holiday, because nuclear weapons help keep the peace.
An honor of some kind for Browning,perhaps, but a state holiday I question. If
there is to be a holiday, it should be on a day that doesn't look like it's
downgrading Martin Luther King Day. I, too, believe that good guns are needed as
tools to maintain peace and order, as long as there are those who use them to
commit crime. I'm just not sure it justifies a state holiday, but certainly not
on Martin Luther King Day.
What's wrong with celebrating a white man and a black man on the same day
"unreal"? Sound's like you are the idiot.
"'Guns keep peace.'Brutal!" What a ridiculous statement! I would like to see the
nazi army stopped without guns! This is what John M Browning helped do! He
invented guns that helped the United States have the best machine guns and
handguns in both world wars!Both Martin Luther King and John M Browning
are great Americans and have served our country in different ways and should
both be honored. Maybe not on the same day, but they should both be honored!
Great idea to honor Browning....but the wrong date to do so.
People are out of work, Jordan School district is laying off 500 people and this
is the stuff our legislature spends it's time on? Adding a gun makers name to a
holiday for a civil rights leader killed by a gun?!?!? I hear New Mexico is a
nice place to live. We wont look like fools again to the rest of the world or
In your zeal to deface the idea of honoring our nation's foremost civil rights
leader, I'd like to offer these additional suggestions. If you're going to do
it, do it up RIGHT!1 - You should have held this announcement at
that apartment building across from the Loraine Motel, in Memphis, TN.2 - You're not clear enough. Make sure you tell your constituents why it's so
important to link guns to MLK. Many/most are too young to remember MLK's
assassination by gunfire.3 - You forgot Orval Faubus, the
anti-desegregation governor of Arkansas! HIS birth date is January 7th! Fits
right in!Is there some way we can put a cork in Eagle Mountain,
before its leakage taints the rest of Utah?
Ummmmmm-----DUH!!!! I particularly agree with Jon T.'s use of "INEPTITUDE".
Where did you think this was going to go Madsen???
There is nothing wrong with honoring a man who played a large part in winning
two world wars and saved ours and other nations from being defeated from the
worst tyrants the world has ever known. Many in the german military were quoted
as saying that if they had the browning machine gun, the war would have turned
out differently. John M. Browning was a genius and a great American. Maybe he
shouldn't be celebrated on the same day as Martin Luther King, but he deserves
to be celebrated!
Hey Rep. Madsen, why didn't you just call it "whites are the best holiday"! You
Sir are the definition of an idiot.
Great to see the legislature is hard at work on the issues that really matter.
Very well stated Jon T.
Not a smart move. This will be seen by most as a slight to Martin Luther King.
And, I agree that it is.Why doesn't Rep Madsen find another day for
this holiday - like April 1st or April 15th of every year.
"Guns keep peace." Brutal!
MLK day is a very important day for the US, I cannot believe that these clowns
want to honor someone else, whom ever it may be on that same day!Get
a clue Utah!!!!!!I would move but then the way too far right wing here in
Utah would win, so I say we all need to speak up and let these clowns know that
they do not represent us or our best interest.
Ignorance. Insensitivity. Ineptitude. Please don't tell me Rep. Madsen
couldn't foresee this blowing up in his face. Of course he couldn't. Well,
good thing it has and hopefully it is changed immediately.
That's it. I'm moving. Politicians in this state are pretty dim, and we voters
are pretty dim for voting them into office.