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Utah Utes men's basketball notebook: Seeding could be vital for U. in MWC tourney

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  • Re: National Champ??
    Feb. 17, 2010 9:41 p.m.

    Well, BYU is not a BCS school (the last non-BSC school to win an NC). Something the Utes haven't done yet! So BYU is the answer. They are the only ones to win it all without having the privileges that BCS schools receive (such as money and recruiting power). In other words, the only "underdogs" to prove that they are worth something.

  • RE: National Champ??
    Feb. 17, 2010 6:30 p.m.

    Alabama
    USC
    Oklahoma
    Nebraska
    LSU
    Ohio State
    BYU
    Utah

    One of these things is not like the others,
    One of these things just doesn't belong,
    Can you tell which thing is not like the others
    By the time I finish my song?

    You missed the one that was the answer to which one is not like the others. It's OK though, buddy. I am here for you.

  • RE: National Champ??
    Feb. 17, 2010 6:28 p.m.

    Ohio State?

  • bigutefan
    Feb. 17, 2010 6:23 p.m.

    Interesting how Steve Alford has turned the Lobo's into a power. Just for the record, Alford was hired three years ago around the same time Utah landed the great Jim Boylen. Look where each program is....WAKE UP CHRIS HILL....FIRE BOYLEN, he is not likeable, can't recruit, fans are not showing up anymore.......he has pretty much destroyed Ute basketball. Boy did you make a HUGE mistake not going after Alford, three years.....down the drain!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 17, 2010 5:56 p.m.

    "Utah's 2004 BCS team regular season schedule was worse than BYU's 1984 regular season schedule"

    Wow, a zoobie compairing a National championship to one of the Utes BCS games..

  • Jealous U
    Feb. 17, 2010 5:46 p.m.

    It really doesn't matter who BYU played to win their National Championship, what matters is that the Cougars impressed enough voters to be selected Concensus National Champions by EVERY organization that awarded a major college football national championship in 1984.

    Utah's 2004 BCS team regular season schedule was worse than BYU's 1984 regular season schedule.

    And Utah even after beating a "ranked" team in the Fiesta Bowl, Utah still wasn't able to impress enough voters to vote the Utes higher than 4th or 5th, almost exactly the same ranking as BYU's 1996 Cotton Bowl winning team finished.

  • National Champ??
    Feb. 17, 2010 4:49 p.m.

    Alabama
    USC
    Oklahoma
    Nebraska
    LSU
    Ohio State
    BYU

    One of these things is not like the others,
    One of these things just doesn't belong,
    Can you tell which thing is not like the others
    By the time I finish my song?

    LOL

  • Only One
    Feb. 17, 2010 4:42 p.m.

    *Nactional Champion in history is "honored" for

    1. Not beating a single ranked opponent
    2. Winning the "title" by beating a unranked 6-6 6th place Michigan team. ( A Michigan Team who was leading in the game up until the last 3 minutes)

    Congratz Zoobie! No other NC team will EVER match such fame ( i mean shame).

  • to Parade.... | 3:45 p.m.
    Feb. 17, 2010 4:15 p.m.

    Did Coach Edwards' vote count more than once? Because BYU was the National Champion in 1984 according to the Coaches' Poll, as well. That means that a majority of the NCAA Div I football teams' coaches voted that BYU was the best football team in the country that year. Unless Edwards' vote did count for more than just one.

  • post
    Feb. 17, 2010 4:05 p.m.

    "this is a Ute Basketball article!..."

    better remind your Utah buddies, because from what I've been reading, the vast majority of Utah fans think Utah's basketball season is already over and it's time to either trash talk BYU, to make Utah fans feel better about themselves, or talk football, where the Utes still feel they have a chance of being better than the Cougars.

  • Provo already had a parade...
    Feb. 17, 2010 3:59 p.m.

    for the 1984 College Football National Champions!

    (something jealous Utah fans can only dream about)

    It was fun! Too bad U missed it!

  • Parade....
    Feb. 17, 2010 3:45 p.m.

    Let's have a parade for the Cougar team from 1984 that didn't beat a single ranked team in the final polls!

    6-6 6th place(in the Big 10) Michigan! AND it took a come from behind win to defeat them! There were a couple of other come from behind wins that year as well. Yes, the final voting that year went to the only undefeated team in the country, BYU. Did the coaches think BYU was the best team? Only one, Coach Edwards!

    Now go back to your kewger articles and post there, this is a Ute Basketball article!

  • parades and storming the field
    Feb. 17, 2010 3:12 p.m.

    Utah fans are such hypocrits!

    Didn't Utah fans storm the field THREE times during 2008 after beating beating three ranked teams that were all ranked lower than #3?

    Yet, these same Utah dweebs make fun of a few dozen BYU fans meeting the Cougars at the airport after BYU had just beaten #3-ranked Oklahoma, a team with the returning Heisman trophy winner and a team that had played in the BCS championship game just 8 months earlier and a team that is considered one of the "blue-bloods" of college football.

    A please don't insult your already low intelligence by talking about "Final" rankings.

    NOT ONE Utah fan knew where Oregon State, TCU or BYU was going to end up in the final rankings when Utah won those games in 2008.

  • to Ref: anonymous
    Feb. 17, 2010 2:29 p.m.

    Thanks for the history lesson. I had no idea people are forced to vote a certain way. Sure, they voted BYU #1 at the end of the season as well, but I'm sure they were forced to vote for BYU then, too.

  • Parades at the Airport
    Feb. 17, 2010 2:27 p.m.

    It just shows the passion that BYU fans have for the Cougars. Jealousy by ute fans (more like Y haters than ute fans) who can barely muster more than a handful of fans to road games like the BCS. The fact that the u had to return tickets to the Sugar Bowl because they couldn't sell them is a testament of the fickle nature of ute fans. Or is it because they could't get the second mortgage on their single wide trailer to biy tickets?

  • Ref: anonymous
    Feb. 17, 2010 2:20 p.m.

    BYU was ranked #1 at the end of the regular season in 1984. They then beat a Michigan team in the bowl they had to go to. There were no options. Since they were #1 at the end of the season, they were voted #1 after the bowl games because they didn't lose. Know your history before you put fingers to keyboard.

  • 1984 = 2009
    Feb. 17, 2010 2:17 p.m.

    There is NO DIFFENCE!

    National Champions are still selected by a panel of voters and the team receiving the most votes is ranked #1 and is declared the National Champion.

    Remember 2004. Even in the BCS era, USC won the AP National Championship, even though the Trojans didn't even play in the BCS title game.

    And, don't forget, Utah fans still brag about their #2 finish in 2008.

    Which poll ranked the Utes #2?

    It wasn't the "official" BCS poll.

    The Coaches, which is the "official" BCS poll ranked the Utes #4.

    Don't tell me the Utes wouldn't be bragging for the next 100 years about "winning" a national championship in 2008, IF, the Utes had been voted #1 in the AP poll in 2008...

    JUST LIKE

    BYU was voted #1 in the AP poll, and every other poll, in 1984!

    Utah fans are the biggest hypocrites on the planet when it comes to minimizing BYU's 1984 National Championship!

  • a closer look at the list
    Feb. 17, 2010 2:01 p.m.

    National Championships: Utah 1, BYU 0

    Utah didn't even come close to winning a national championship in 1944; the Utes turned down their initial invitation to the NCAA tournament to accept an invitation to the more prestigious NIT tournament where Utes LOST in the OPENING ROUND to Kentucky.

    Final Four appearances: Utah 4, BYU 0
    Elite Eight appearances: Utah 6, BYU 1
    Sweet Sixteen appearances: Utah 13, BYU 2

    The number of Final Four, Elite Eight and Sweet Sixteen appearances is meaningless before 1975 when the tournament was expanded to 32 teams.

    Utah was SEEDED into many of their Elite Eight and Sweet Sixteen appearances, without having to win a single game.

    One addition to your list:

    NIT Championships BYU 2 Utah 1

    Utah's 1947, and BYU's 1951 and 1966 NIT championships were FAR SUPERIOR to Utah's 1944 NCAA championship, which was won during the middle of World War II when most schools had suspended their basketball programs and the few remaining teams were composed mostly of Freshmen.

    I'll give the Utes credit for having a much better record in the NCAA tournament than BYU, but your "list" is highly inflated.

  • to Anonymous | 1:28 p.m.
    Feb. 17, 2010 1:51 p.m.

    What exactly was the public outcrying? That people voted a certain way? Your post makes no sense.

    Had the system awarded BYU a National Championship solely based on a broken system, you might have a point. But the fact is BYU not only beat the broken system, it WAS ALSO VOTED #1. You cannot cheat your way into votes. The broken system cannot manipulate someone into voting a certain way.

    The national consensus in 1984 is that BYU was the nation's best team. No fake asterisk required.

  • Gerry
    Feb. 17, 2010 1:35 p.m.

    Wow!

    The Cougars are taking a pounding on the posts today.

  • RE: In debt?!?! | 1:12 p.m
    Feb. 17, 2010 1:34 p.m.

    Thanks for thise revenue information. Yes, this is a very accurate account of both Football and Basketball comparisons. I only wish a zoobie had responded first before you had delivered such soul crushing stats.

    LOL

    Go UTES!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 17, 2010 1:28 p.m.

    "BYU was voted #1. Utah was not ranked #1. In one situation, reality dictates a national championship. In the other, ifs dictate a theoretical national championship"

    And thus, public outcry demands the change to what was obviously very, very broken. If things were right in college football way back in 1984, the “paving the way” changes would have never occurred.

    So go ahead and embrace your “paving the way accomplishment” If you look real close at your little trophy you’ll see the engraving “beating a 6-6 team will never again win a National Championship”.

  • In debt?!?!
    Feb. 17, 2010 1:12 p.m.

    BYU has played in 28 bowl games compiling a record of 10-17-1. Only one game was played in January, the Cotton Bowl in 1997. This game provided BYU a decent payday but certainly not comparable to a BCS Bowl payday.

    Utah has played in 16 bowl games compiling a record of 12-4. Two of the games were BCS Bowls with substancial payouts per team.

    Utah has earned more bowl game revenues than BYU.

    This is a Basketball article. Since you want to compare BYU with Utah, here are some more interesting statistics:

    National Championships: Utah 1, BYU 0
    Final Four appearances: Utah 4, BYU 0
    Elite Eight appearances: Utah 6, BYU 1
    Sweet Sixteen appearances: Utah 13, BYU 2

    NCAA Tournament wins: Utah 35, BYU 11

    Team with the most NCAA appearances without a trip to the final four: BYU 24

    Based on these facts, wouldn't common sense and logic point to BYU being in debt to Utah when discussing revenue sharing from post season revenues?

    Go UTES!!

  • to tRE:o RE:re: BYU
    Feb. 17, 2010 1:07 p.m.

    If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas.

    BYU was voted #1. Utah was not ranked #1. In one situation, reality dictates a national championship. In the other, ifs dictate a theoretical national championship.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 17, 2010 12:46 p.m.

    "Utah is still in debt to BYU for carrying the Utes with bowl game revenue for almost 20 years"

    Can you quantify this statement? How much money did BYU pay Utah for going to bowl games? I know you zoobies are really good with your stats and I’m really interested in reading your response.

  • tRE:o RE:re: BYU | 11:15 a.m.
    Feb. 17, 2010 12:42 p.m.

    Clearly public outrage boiled over after the voting and the system was change to insure such a travesty never ever happen again. If Utah played its bowl games (Pitt and Bama) way way back in the 80’s it would be totally plausible that if all the cards fell perfectly, ( such in the case of BYU) that Utah would have TWO national championships.

    It’s obvious that cougar fan is trying hard to move past the sullied awarded and have even attempted to bestow upon themselves real national accomplishments before they’ve happened. i.e Quest for perfection and parades at the airport after going 1-0.

  • Concensus National Championships
    Feb. 17, 2010 12:24 p.m.

    are not stolen, they are earned vote-by-vote from coaches and sportswriters who understand the game MUCH better than the clueless haters who spam blogs with their distorted view of the world.

  • still in debt
    Feb. 17, 2010 12:21 p.m.

    Utah is still in debt to BYU for carrying the Utes with bowl game revenue for almost 20 years while the Ute's only bowl game was the annual BYU-Utah game (see 1974 to 1992).

  • to RE:re: BYU | 11:15 a.m.
    Feb. 17, 2010 12:18 p.m.

    How was it stolen when BYU was voted #1? Did BYU somehow steal those votes, too?

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 17, 2010 12:11 p.m.

    "BYU broke down that barrier. Utah took advantage of that breach in the BCS barrier created by BYU."

    An the Utes payed out the kittens (twice) for their success. When will the little kitty ever repay it's debt.... Never mind zoobie, that's what big brothers are for.

  • RE:re: BYU | 11:15 a.m.
    Feb. 17, 2010 12:05 p.m.

    "BYU paved the way for Utah to play in a BCS game."

    I agree to this statement in that BYU “paved” the way for PUBLIC OUTRAGE to never allow another team to barley beating a 6-6 5th place big 10 team and STEALING a *NC*. So yes I agree with you.

    I equate slightly less the BYU “NC* to Utah’s first BCS victory. An undefeated Utah team plays a Big East Champion (but very average) Pitt team. The Only difference is that Utah Destroys PITT. Leaving no questions regarding who was the better team.

    Utah’s second BCS victory carrier much more prestige the BYU *NC*. An undefeated Utah team plays a Bama team that was ranked #1 for 11 weeks of the season. AGAIN the Utes destroy the mighty Bama team.

  • re: BYU
    Feb. 17, 2010 11:15 a.m.

    BYU's National Championship is frequently mentioned when national media attention is drawn to BYU football, and Utah fans, as painful as it is to accept, the sports media considers a past National Champion MUCH MORE meaningful than being a past BCS buster.

    BYU paved the way for Utah to play in a BCS game.

    Without BYU 1996 and 2001, the BCS would never have opened the door even a crack to allow Utah 2004.

    The U can thank the Y for making non-AQ bids to the BCS possible.

    The BCS was created for one purpose and one purpose only, MONEY!

    The Bowl Alliance sorta, kinda was created to make it possible to match the two highest ranked teams in a bowl game, so that #1 wasn't locked into the Rose Bowl and #2 wasn't locked into the Orange Bowl, making it possible to match #1 versus #2.

    The BCS, on the other hand, was created solely to keep ALL of the big money in the hands of a few "elite" conferences.

    BYU broke down that barrier. Utah took advantage of that breach in the BCS barrier created by BYU.

  • Ref: Byu
    Feb. 17, 2010 10:55 a.m.

    BYU has had a national rep for over 30 years, not like the recent utes who have suddenly discovered football. If the utes get any pub they can certainly thank Lavell and the Cougar teams over the past 30 years or more. The perfect example of how the Cougars have had a national reputation for a long time is to ask the question: How many Holiday Bowls did the Utes go to when it was the bowl game for the WAC champion? And the answer would be ZERO. Even Wyoming went a couple of times. So the point here is that the utes are a relative new comer to the national scene, the Cougs have been there for a while.

  • Ref: Anonymous
    Feb. 17, 2010 7:06 a.m.

    The feat of losing to a 13th seed was already accomplished by the utes last year. You gotta love it baby! LOL!!!

  • Byu
    Feb. 17, 2010 6:41 a.m.

    What footbLl fan who still has their teeth cares heck even remembers byu's national championship. Byu fans love to refer to it, even though 99.9 percent of the nation doesn't care one bit. But Utah on the other hand is still talked about frequently. If byu ever gets am NC then they better mail urban and whit a thank you note

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 16, 2010 8:49 p.m.

    Maybe BYU will be 1st, UNLV 4th and Utah 5th. Then Utah could knock off the only team in the MWC that BYU can't beat in Las Vegas, then BYU can destroy the Utes. That would be best. Then the Utes will have served their lowly purpose this basketball season and paved the way for BYU to be upset by a 13 seed in the first round of the NCAA tournament. You gotta love it Baby!

  • to As a Ute
    Feb. 16, 2010 8:23 p.m.

    Does it really matter what byu does in the postseason? The utes would talk smack even if byu went to the final four(which NO I'm not suggesting is a possibility). To suggest that the Utes will give credit where due is nonsense - thats not the ute way. Even if byu does go one and done - the fact remains that they've had a fantastic season.

  • As a Ute
    Feb. 16, 2010 7:44 p.m.

    fan I must say there are fans of both schools that are out in left field regarding their respective teams prospect this year and next. Face it Utah fans we are a long way from the good days of the 1990s so let us build are way back and not be delusional that we will be great (likely better) next year. And Y fans, until you actually do something in the NCAA Tourney it would be best to remain quite about what you plan to do come tourney time becasue history isn't on your side as of yet.

  • Smiling that...
    Feb. 16, 2010 6:51 p.m.

    juvenile name calling and "one-and-done" spamming is all that the BYU haters (and Utah fans) have left.

    Pathetic!

    BYU beat UTEP (RPI 55) at UTEP, Arizona (RPI 86) at Arizona, Nevada (RPI 67) in Las Vegas, and Arizona State (RPI 64) at home.

    In fact, BYU's ONLY out of conference loss was at Utah State (RPI 44).

    Out of conference, the Cougars have done quite well this season. Thank you!

  • KeepBoylen-dot-com
    Feb. 16, 2010 6:31 p.m.

    Jimmy don't care 'bout no dumb old seeding. Jimmy gonna do things his way and yell his way into bein' #1. Yeah, dats what JImmy gonna do, fo sho. We love Jimmy fo evah.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

  • Same Lame YBU Chest Pounding
    Feb. 16, 2010 4:26 p.m.

    The zoobs play fine in conference but anything outside of that is a crap shoot. Let's see . . . . even if the zoobers with little Jimmer get to the NCAA tourney they'll probably play well enough to keep it close for the first five minutes of the game. YBU post season motto: ONE AND DONE!

  • RE:Ref: Reality | 3:44 p.m.
    Feb. 16, 2010 4:08 p.m.

    "but everybody including ute fans remember the NC"

    I wasn't born in 1984 so i guess i'll have to go to the LDS archieves and do research. Is it saved on microfilm? or carved into tree bark?

  • Ref: Really
    Feb. 16, 2010 4:07 p.m.

    Where did you hear that Henderson is transferring to Kansas? This is really bad news for the utes if this is true, because if he leaves whose next?

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 16, 2010 3:57 p.m.

    "They use loser excuses of "oh, but this is a 'rebuilding' year" for Utah."

    help me understand the "quest for perfection" and the parade at the airport for winning your first game....

    "MWC prediction:
    TCU first; BYU/Utah tossup for second; AFA fourth"

    BYU will lose at least 4 games next year. Please, Be honest with yourself.

  • Ref: Reality
    Feb. 16, 2010 3:44 p.m.

    How convenient how you forget the NC. Nobody remembers the runnersup, but everybody including ute fans remember the NC. Now talk about the sweet nectar and how that must really get to the utie nation.

  • bigutefan
    Feb. 16, 2010 3:33 p.m.

    Truth.....UNLV will win the tournament because it is at home in the Thomas & Mack.

    FIRE BOYLEN!

    He can't recruit, he is not likeable, and is destroying Utah basketball.......FIRE BOYLEN!

  • Re: Cougarf@n
    Feb. 16, 2010 3:29 p.m.

    Marshall Henderson truly is my new hero as well but for different reasons than yours. My reasons are quite obvious aren't they?

  • Cougarf@n
    Feb. 16, 2010 2:54 p.m.

    Marshall Henderson is my new hero. Without his sheer stupidity nobody would even care about the basketball rivalry this year. Prior to the game in provo, I was actually starting to feel sorry for Utah, but now I can't wait to watch BYU pound the utes over and over again for the next four seasons. As for seeding in the MWC tournament, does it really matter which team Utah will lose to in the first round?

  • Rick from Sheboygan
    Feb. 16, 2010 2:54 p.m.

    Dear U & Y Hoop Fans:

    Good to see that the lovefest between us continues. As an objective fan of the Runnin' Utes, and sports in general, I understand the cyclical nature of sports. There are peaks and valleys.

    In all honesty, the Utes' haven't been the same since March 30, 1998. In the 12 years since then we have fielded some quality squads and made a little noise with Andrew Bogut. Even under St. Rick, the patron Saint of O-ffense, things started to come apart in the recruiting game for the big fella. His teams were alwayd ready to play and were fundamentally sound, but lacked the talent and mental toughness that are required to play for him.

    I was impressed with the defensive effort in Sat's game vs. the Lobos. We lack a Div. 1 scorer and point guard, but we kept it close, something I doubt the 1996 & 1997 BYU Cougars could have done. The common thread between Giac & Boylen are the men that are employed as Assn't coaches. I fear that they lack the basketball acumen to coach and recruit at this level.

  • 2010-2011
    Feb. 16, 2010 2:15 p.m.

    Football:

    BYU could be very good; how good, will depend on how quickly all of the new/returning players develop.

    Utah should be very good; how good, will depend on how quickly all of the new/returning players develop.

    TCU should be outstanding.

    MWC prediction:
    TCU first; BYU/Utah tossup for second; AFA fourth

    -----------------------------------

    Basketball:

    BYU will still be ALOT better than Utah.

    The Cougars will have the 2010 MWC POY to build their team around.

    BYU won't have quite as much depth, replacing Miles, Tavernari, Morgan, Haws, and probably Davies, with the Collinsworth brothers, however,

    a starting lineup of Fredette, Emery, Loyd, Collinsworth and Collinsworth/Abouo will still be VERY good.

    The Utes will have Henderson and Wood to build around.

    Need we say more?

  • BcS BS
    Feb. 16, 2010 2:00 p.m.

    The problem with Ute fans is they wear blinders for every year EXCEPT when Utah has a great season.

    They use loser excuses of "oh, but this is a 'rebuilding' year" for Utah.

    That's just the problem isn't it? No staying power.

    Sorry Utes; having a great season once in a while doesn't make up for having numerous mediocre seasons in between.

    The Cougars are 3 of 4 against the Utes in the last 4 years, 2 MWC championships to 1, 4 Top 25 finishes to 2; 4 10+ win seasons to 2.

    The Cougars have finished ahead of the Utes in the MWC every year, but one, since Bronco and Kyle became head coaches.

    Overall, BYU has just been better during the Kyle and Bronco era.

  • I predict
    Feb. 16, 2010 1:48 p.m.

    a national championship for Utah in BOTH basketball and football next year. We are rebuilding right now in both, but next year watch out - I guarantee we'll be top 10 in both with a very good chance at a national championship or two

  • Re: Re: Really
    Feb. 16, 2010 1:20 p.m.

    Nice work, Utah has 2 bronze medals. Come talk to us when you win a gold.

  • RE:Reality | 12:17 p.m.
    Feb. 16, 2010 1:07 p.m.

    And yet Donko has never gotten over the hump. I know it must burn the deepest recesses of your soul to not have tasted the sweet, sweet nectar of a BCS Bowl victory. Our nation doesn’t remember “runners up” or “a close second” and doesn’t want to dust off and some old history book to find and asterisk labeled championship in the early ‘80’s.


    As they say, Go big or go home.

    2 BCS victories for the Mighty Utes
    0 BCS appearances for kitty.

    P.S. Utah will be in another BCS bowl in 2010. Not just because they have the talent but because they have PROVEN they can get there.



  • Ernest T. Bass
    Feb. 16, 2010 12:54 p.m.

    I'll bet utah gets a #5 seed again just like last year because they are so...dang...good.

  • Re: Really
    Feb. 16, 2010 12:50 p.m.

    Typical zoob remark. I am tired of hearing about how much better your football program is. It is a complete joke. When you have gone to a "Real" Bowl Game then you can comment. Earth to zoobs, no one in the nation cares about your Las Vegas bowl.

    Utah...BCS Bowls 2-0
    BYU...BCS Bowls hahaha...(can't help but laugh having the title BYU so close to the words BCS Bowl)

    Maybe the BCS will let you play in one of their bowls because your recuiting class is so, so, so good. hahaha

  • Reality
    Feb. 16, 2010 12:17 p.m.

    "I find it hysterical that you consider..."

    The Utes to be anything other than the 3rd best team in the MWC:

    Final MWC standings in the Bronco and Kyle era (2005 to 2009):

    BYU...2 1 1 3 2 (avg finish 1.8) 4 Top 25 finishes
    TCU...1 2 5 2 1 (avg finish 2.2) 4 Top 25 finishes
    Utah..4 3 3 1 3 (avg finish 2.8) 2 Top 25 finishes

  • this just truly might be...
    Feb. 16, 2010 12:00 p.m.

    the worst comment string ever. nice going byu and utah fans!

  • Hope For 8 or 9
    Feb. 16, 2010 11:53 a.m.

    As a BYU fan, I'm hoping for this so we can beat them 3 times this season and take over the overall record against them, assuming they win that 8-9 game that is.

    I hope Boylen then stays for a while so we can build up enough of a gap that we never give up the overall record again.

  • Strong finish
    Feb. 16, 2010 11:49 a.m.

    I hope the Utes can finish the season strong this year - they need something positive going into next year.

    I was impressed how they played New Mexico - they never gave up against a very talented team.

    It's tough to see the Utes be so inconsistent this year. I belive the talent is there to win more games than this - comes down to coaching. I'm not sure how much longer this Boylen experiment can last.

    Go Utes!!!

  • Re: Really
    Feb. 16, 2010 11:48 a.m.

    I find it hysterical that you consider the Zoogs & TCU "The Big Boys" of the conference when it comes to football.

    Try getting to a BCS game first before you consider the Zoobs a "Big Boy" in the conference. The Vegas Bowl doesn't count. Talk about living in a bubble!!!

  • Utes
    Feb. 16, 2010 11:20 a.m.

    The MWC is too good this year for a lower seed to win it all. Think about the top three (NM, BYU, UNLV at home) They are all too good to let a 5th, 6th, or 7th seed win it all.

  • Where's Rick?
    Feb. 16, 2010 11:08 a.m.

    Majerus #1- rebounding, #2- rebounding, #3- rebounding, #4 FG% against. This was his recipe to get to the final 2, final 8, and a whole lot of final 16's. BOY has the Utes fallen. Maybe St. Louis will fire Rick and we can get him back. If you play forward and get 2 rebounds in 32 minutes or 1 rebound in 34 minutes I think Majerus would send you packing. My thought- if Majerus was coaching this team we would have 20 to 22 wins at the end of the season and BE IN THE DANCE. Boylen must go!!!!!!!!!!!Even Archibald was better than this.

  • Cougar Fan
    Feb. 16, 2010 10:41 a.m.

    The blocks don't mean as much as you might think. The Utes are terrible rebounders. Blocks only matter if your opponent does not score on the possession.

  • Re: Re: BYU Fan
    Feb. 16, 2010 10:22 a.m.

    No, you have to be kidding me. Do you really think a BYU fan wrote that? There are plenty of trolls on here. Don't be so foolish.

  • rebounding doesn't matter?
    Feb. 16, 2010 10:19 a.m.

    At the time Boylen replaced Utah's 6'10" starting power forward- at the time #3 in MWC rebounds and 2nd in MWC in offensive rebounds with a 6'7" non-rebounder-now Boylen replaces the 6'7" non-rebounder with a 6'6" freshmen- a good player but even worse as a rebounder. MY QUESTION= does it seem that we are going backwards????????????????When Tillie was picked as the player of the game at UNLV in spite of having a knee operation less than two weeks earlier- and the same Tillie has not played more than 12 minutes since UNLV????????

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 16, 2010 10:09 a.m.

    Who was the last to win the MWC in football - BYU or UTah?

    Who is ranked higher in the 2010 preseason football polls BYU or Utah?

    I'll give you a clue - it starts wit a U and end with a H.

  • Re: BYU Fan
    Feb. 16, 2010 9:19 a.m.

    You have to be kidding me. You think BYU could beat everyone, really? How about Kansas or Kentucky? Sorry but Arizona is not good! You think it’s a big deal to be in the PAC 10, come on. Also, UTEP is not a "big time" program nor is Nebraska. You list all of those BYU players as if your listing something so special, give me a break. If Utah played the same non-conference schedule as BYzoo it would have a comparable non-conference result. Come "big dance" time BYU will probably be one and done once again. Sorry zoob wake up and smell the ovaltine. GO UTES!!

  • RE:Cinderalla Utes | 7:47 am
    Feb. 16, 2010 9:12 a.m.

    Now THAT's a good one. "We've been coasting to fool all of you. We'll show you who's boss when we 'peak' in the tournament."

    Hate to break it to you Yewties but you peaked with your final practice before game 1 of the season.

    Boilin' over won't have your boys any more ready for the MWC tournament than he did for the home JV game against Seattle University, you remember, where you were embarrassed out of your own gym. Good thing nobody was there to boo!

  • Really
    Feb. 16, 2010 9:10 a.m.

    as ute fans what is there to root for?? Your football team is an also ran in the conference behind the two big boys (TCU and BYU) and your basketball team is about as pathetic as they get. Hopefully they win the play in game for the MWC tourney. I can't believe Hill has been able to keep his job with the last two disasters with the basketball coaches he has hired.

  • RE:Go utes | 7:36 a.m
    Feb. 16, 2010 9:06 a.m.

    Uh, what does BCS have to do with basketball? Nothing like comparing apples to oranges huh? Typical Yewt.

    But, since you mention BCS - how was 3rd place in the MWC this year in football? On your regular cycle I see...1 good year followed by 3-4 mediocre.

    Oh, and before you lambaste me with some silly "come talk to us when you've gone to the BCS twice" I'm a Boise State Fan...you remember, the team that's beat top 5 teams in the BCS twice...as opposed to beating a weakling Pitt prior to your great game in the Sugar Bowl.

  • re:7:33
    Feb. 16, 2010 8:59 a.m.

    Can you really blame ute fans for wanting to be BYU fans right about now? Most ute fans at this point resemble a plastic red chair and who really wants to be a plastic red chair?

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 16, 2010 8:31 a.m.

    Forget Foster working on offense until he strengthens his rebounds. He is too soft in the middle. We must become a better rebounding team if we are going to improve, but at least he knows it. You can tell by what frustrates him the most.

  • Dear Dear BYU fan 7:33
    Feb. 16, 2010 8:14 a.m.

    You must be new to these posts, as byu/utah fans are largely now pretending to be from the other side just to say something ridiculous and make that team appear stupid. The person you are responding to is a ute.

  • Game-Changer
    Feb. 16, 2010 8:00 a.m.

    Foster is a game-changer on D. Now he needs to spend some time working on his O in the offseason. He gets anything going on that end of the court and Utah is improved dramatically next year, even losing a few key seniors.

  • to akk
    Feb. 16, 2010 7:59 a.m.

    A little self righteous and hypocritical don't you think? Unless you've never posted something about Utah on a byu article, which I doubt.

  • Cinderalla Utes
    Feb. 16, 2010 7:47 a.m.

    Boylen will have our guys ready come tournament time, and after brushing aside the rest of the conference, we'll dance our way to at least the elite 8, if not the final four. We're peaking at just the right time!

    Utah Man For Life

  • It seems the utes
    Feb. 16, 2010 7:43 a.m.

    are on dead set on continuing a recent trend of imploding at crunch time (see utes vs Cougars in three of the last four football games). In b-ball, the utes have repeatedly choked at the end of several games this year alone. Also, heard rumor that Henderson is transferring to Kansas.

  • Go utes
    Feb. 16, 2010 7:36 a.m.

    Next year when the Utes have a little more experience we will be a final four contender. I'm not saying we'll get there necessarily, but we'll have a good chance to make it that far. And little coogs - bcs, bcs. What more do I need to say

    Utah's ranking doesn't matter in the tournament - we'll win it anyways

  • Dear BYU Fan
    Feb. 16, 2010 7:33 a.m.

    I as a true blue BYU Fan think you are absolutely hysterical. You must have laughed all night when you posted that.

  • Utah Fan
    Feb. 16, 2010 7:28 a.m.

    My utes are a legit top 20 team. Yes, we've been inconsistent but it's because we have a young team. When we play like we're capable, we can play with ANYONE in the country. We will be byu by 20, win the mwc tournament, get a #9 seed, and make it to at least the sweet 16. Guaranteed.

  • akk
    Feb. 16, 2010 6:13 a.m.

    Who cares about BYU. This article is about Utah.

  • RE: Foster
    Feb. 16, 2010 5:58 a.m.

    I'm a BYU fan, but does this really matter? Foster is a good kid and blocks a lot of shots. Give him his moment of recognition without rubbing BYU in everyone's face. If you want respect, treat people that way!

    Nice job Foster.

  • and that would be...
    Feb. 16, 2010 3:57 a.m.

    Shawn Bradley? Count the blocks again

  • BYU fan
    Feb. 16, 2010 1:18 a.m.


    None of this really matters. BYU will destroy everyone in the MWC. Matter of fact, my COUGS will probably at this point beat everyone in the nation. If BYU plays to their potential and the refs don't show favoritisms to the opposing team we would beat everyone (yes, everyone). If you don't believe me just ask Arizona, hehe. We destroyed them at Tucson and they are a PAC 10 team or maybe you should ask UTEP or Nebraska (both of which are big time programs). Come big dance time we will most likely make it to the final four. The players we have are awesome; Jimmer, Hawes, Emery, JT and company will rock you. Lights out, little uties.

  • Foster....
    Feb. 15, 2010 11:35 p.m.

    is still 69 blocks behind BYU's single season record holder. Not a chance to surpass it.