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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 10 2010 12:00 a.m. MST

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What ever.

I am looking to pack my thing and move out of this state. Utah is a case lost........................

A Guy With A Brain

There is no such thing as man-made global warming.

I know this.

So did the scientists who were sending e-mails to one another not to disclose what was really going on to the public.

Oops....

I agree

It's a natural occurance for chucks of ice the size of small states to continually break away from the polar ice caps.

Are people in Utah really this unintelligent?

Find a clue

Did we not just go through 5 weeks of man affecting the climate here in Utah called inversion? Do you think the pioneers had red air, don't drive days? How can anyone living in the valley say that man doesn't cause changes in the weather??!?!?

L Romney

It is correct that the Earth has gone through many cycles of hot and cold. The difference this time is THE RATE OF CHANGE that is being documented. Instead of taking thousands of years to create a significantly harmful change, we are talking about decades.

Our legislature may not be able to understand the science, but to disregard the scientists from Utah's major universities (BYU, U of U, Utah State), or to dismiss them as being part of a world conspiracy is ridiculous.

We can spend all our time talking about past cycles or we can do something now to prevent a future full of harmful changes for life on this Earth. If we move quickly to a green, non-polluting way of life the worst that will happen is the creation of new green jobs to help our economy, freedom from the tyranny of foreign oil, cleaner air to improve our health, and many species saved from extinction.

It is a waste of taxpayers money to spend time on a resolution that has no force of law, and isn't even likely to be read by congressmen or federal agency officials.




The Earth is Flat

And Republican legislators think the Sun revolves around Utah too.

KMW

"Guy With A Brain": You should really get your info from somewhere besides Faux News. That's not what the scientists were saying. The ultra right purposefully took things out of context. Read all the conversations in full, they say something completely different than what you're claiming.

Bob G.

We have significant atmospheric inversion problems in Utah which need to be addressed. However, CO2 is not a significant global climate problem. A good Canadian web site that has many peer reviewed papers on this subject is www.friendsofscience.org. The distortion of good climate science has been going on for about three decades.

brrrr

So if the cold weather across this country keeps going, that’s evidence of climate change. And if it doesn’t, that’s evidence of man-made warming. It’s a win-win for the warming fear mongers.

when you see the reasoning for assuming man is to blame, you see exactly the same kind of heads-I-win-tails-you-lose reasoning.

Last year The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) exposed how the EPA had suppressed a scientific study that concludes natural forces as opposed to human activity are largely responsible for temperature changes.

Those who've been spreading global-warming fears must be waking up each morning and asking themselves: What's going to happen today? A new revelation about the corruption of climate science has become almost a daily event.

Scientists

Scientists

Re: L Romney | 5:19 p.m.

Not all scientists are on the "same page" when it come to claiming that the current warming trend is directly tied to anthropogenic generated emissions. For example, you may want to take some time to read (in its entirety) the following scientific paper titled "Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide" as recorded in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (2007), 12, p79-90. In the paper's conclusion, it states the following (summarized):

"There are no experimental data to support the hypothesis that increases in human hydrocarbon use or in atmospheric carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases are causing or can be expected to cause unfavorable changes in global temperatures, weather, or landscape… The Earth has been much warmer during the past 3,000 years without catastrophic effects."

The Legislators' may have this one 'right.'

The Professor

As a retired Professor from one of Utah's major universities, I can assure you that not all of us buy the "Climate Change Theory" ( formerly Global Warming ).
I have studied this for over 40 years and do not find that the science is in any way settled and those that say it is are not being honest.
I agree that the resolution will not make much differnce in the debate, but I believe that an opposing view to what is proposed by the radical agenda in Washington needs to be made.

Blame Utah

Utah is the cause for climate change and global warming!!!

Re Find a Clue

Since when has the human race caused high pressure over the Great Basin. Temperature Inversions have been in Utah long before all those bad guys came to town.

Revelations

The London Times (Feb 8th) recently published the following report:

"The UN's 2007 Report on Global Warming is under fire again… Chris Field, new lead author of IPCC's climate impact team, says he can find "no evidence" to support a claim in the report that rain-fed North African crop yields could be reduced by as much as 50% by 2020 because of Global warming…

"[This] revelation follows IPCC's retraction of a claim that Himalayan glaciers would melt by 2035, and other inaccurate claims about Amazon deforestation."

With these kinds of "revelations" by the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), I would think that one should take pause about how much other data may be flawed before continuing to advocate that global warming is directly attributable to emissions generated by mankind.

Spoc

To Clueless at 5:13,

My great grandfather's journal recounts that it was common practice any time of year to bring an extra shirt when traveling from Orem to Salt Lake. Not because of road dust, but because by the time you arrived after this day long trip your shoulders would be quite black from the coal and wood soot that fell on all travelers in the Salt Lake Valley. It was not so bad in Utah Valley.

I am sure when they did have inversions and no one had any other alternative for heating that winter inversions could be quite deadly.

What you need to recognize is that man does not cause inversions, he just makes them visible.

Phred

The EPA decided to clean up the pollution in eastern Kentucky and Tennessee. They determined that by far the greatest contributor to atmospheric haze was a species of pine tree and they would have to cut down the majority of forests in the area to have any significant effect.

There is a reason they call them the Great Smoky Mountains!

religion

Those who don't believe there is a God who created the earth and heaven, tend to be the one's who have made a religion out of "global warming."
BTW, why are you so afraid of discussion and debate on this matter?

Anonymous

I'm surprised the legislature didn't blame teachers for climate change.

Suburbs of SLC

There has been plenty of specific evidence to show that climate change may or may not be caused by man. The problem is that the Legislature is using this resolution to politicize the issue even more than the EPA. As one of the BYU scientists testified (at last weeks committee meeting before the full House meeting), he did not believe in man-caused climate change, but using the bad science in the resolution as a justification to oppose climate change was not good public policy.

For instance, their claims that all science opposing climate change was being suppressed, despite the evidence in the above comments, and Google, that disagreeing reports do exist perfectly well.

My favorite was the clause that said the IPCC could not be trusted because they rely on other scientists' work rather than their own science. As compared to the Utah Republicans, who did their own science? Or rather ignored all science...

You have no data!

Fact is, the data that supports man-made global warming is flawed. Around 80% of the temperature recording stations in the United States are in areas where external influences are polluting the data collected from them. For example: one station was modified with a transmitter to transmit the temperature readings elsewhere. The transmitter was placed RIGHT NEXT TO THE THERMOMETER! What do transmitters and other electronic devices do? Give off heat. Example #2: one station had a microwave tower built next to it. The exhaust vents from the tower point directly at the station. What comes out of those vents? Yep, heat. Example 3: Another station was situation in the middle of a city, surrounded by asphalt and brick buildings, with the exhaust from an air conditioning unit blowing right on it. Oops. Example 4: One station was moved from one place to another. The data from before the move and after now do not correlate, since they were taken from two different locations.

If the data is flawed, then the "experiment" must be thrown out. If you want to prove man-made global warming, then you have to start over again from the beginning.

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