there is nothing stranger to me than republican mormons. do you know republicans
think you're nuts, most of them are Southern Baptist! Seriously, keep siding
with the enemy, it only makes you look dumb.
Retirement should be requisite after a designated term limit. Mr. Hatch should
find a different job, maybe writing hit and after hit in the music world.
and speculating that we know more in the 21st century about homosexuality than
people did thousands of years ago (I think most people would agree with that)
I'm also going out on a limb and saying that billions of people in the world
don't take scriptures literally, but know them for what they are....Old writings
which are sometimes (or often) legends of tribal people. It is nobody's
business if you believe them to be literally true just as it isn't anyone's
elses business what someone's sexual preference is. Leave religion where it is
and let's have that separation between the military and it.
anyone who wishes to serve their country - ESPECIALLY in the military. Everyone
has the right to serve without fear - AND, on the other hand, without worries
about being hit on by other soldiers. Ask my son. It's not a pleasant
experience. Patriotic military members of any orientation need to
realize that being in the military means it ISN'T ABOUT YOU. No need to wear
stuff on your sleeve. Except your I.D.
Talk about speaking out of both sides of your mouth!!! Why, not ot mention how,
does the media look to Senator Hatch for any kind of intelligent, informed
response to anything that doesn't fit in his Wonderbread White, Morman,
Conservative box of life? He has been in office far too long and is far too
closed minded to speak on this issue. I do not believe he is informed on this
and many issues that involve people, organizations, issues that are "different"
from his very narrow-minded beliefs and life. Please do yourself and the people
of Utah justice and go away Senator. It is time for you to relax, enjoy
retirement and go on a mission for your beloved institution you refer to as "The
It is obvious Hatch is getting senile! He can't keep track of what he has and
has not said, and he can't even remember to turn off his dang cell phone when he
is giving a prayer in front of the nation's leaders! What an incompetent fool!
I asked my son this question about Gays/Lesbians in the Military. He served
two tours in Iraq with the Army. He said he would finish his enlistment
and get out or would not join. I don't think gay's and lesbians would be
safe? I have heard what happens off base when there are personal
disputes between military soldiers. It isn't pleasant. It isn't a matter
of what's right but a matter of safety.
re: USAF veteran | 11:46 a.m. Feb. 4, 2010 (([My number one pet
peeve -- I hate it when civilians tell the military what to do.))Yeah. Darn that Constitution.
Just what we need: politicians with courage of their convictions -- both sides!
Hatch only has courage to do what's right when he feels the pressure of his
constituents. It's time for him to be booted out of office along with at least
90% of the rest of them.
Name one career politician that hasnt flipped flop.
Keep in mind that when military units were first integrated racially there were
a lot of people yapping that it "be disturbing" and affect "unit cohesiveness"
just like now. Change needs to happen. Secretary of Defense Gates says he
knows how to manage change. Let the armed forces start doing sensitive
training, set up policies for dealing with those who will discriminate, and
beginning taking steps to end this injustice.
Leaving aside the issue of whether permitting gay citizens to serve in the
military is good military policy, I would like to talk about those who oppose
gays in the military because they believe that homosexual practice is immoral.
To those, I would ask their feelings about prostitution. I am well
aware what a thriving business prostitution is around military bases. And, to my
knowledge, the US military is not in the habit of kicking soldiers out of the
military for engaging the services of prostitutes--even though the practice is
illegal in the US and most countries where we have military bases. If immoral behavior should be a reason for removing someone from the military,
then shouldn't the soldiers who buy women be booted? Prostitution is (I believe)
immoral for reasons that include--but go beyond--sexual wrongdoing. Many (not
all, but many) prostitutes are virtual slaves, particularly those working around
US bases in foreign countries. That kind of prostitution is, effectively, the
same as buying temporary slaves. It is immoral and an abuse of power in any
case.Unless the military is going to crack down on prostitution, the
immorality argument against gay makes no sense.
I think that Senator Hatch has proven that he doesn't have core values and
principles that he can stand by. Why does he need to look at a study to see if
this is a good idea or not? Isn't he in Washington, and didn't he vote for
don't ask don't tell in the first place? He already should be informed on this
issue enough to have an opinion and to articulate it. The fact that he wants to
play dumb and act like he's so "open" to all sides of this difficult issue, just
shows what a professional politician he's become. Time to retire
Senator, we want regular American's to represent us in Washington, not a
polished liar like yourself.
Yes, I am active LDS, straight, and an American who served his country in
uniform for my first career. How does it feel to sit in your ivory tower and be
my judge? I only have two judges, my Bishop and God. There's so
much I want to say to you, but you chose the path of piety. I can sleep at
night knowing I am not judging others, but accepting their differences like I
have been taught to. How typical of someone like you to judge me.
Worse yet, apparently ol' orinns' cel phone rang during this prayer thing in
Washington today. It's on CNN; I guess Orrin owes everyone there a round...
To say that "not everyone in the US is a conservative Mormon" says a lot,
assuming you're LDS of course. Looks like you've chosen to go along with the
world; without regard for scripture, your understanding of our pre-mortal
existence, the Plan of Salvation, your exaltation, etc. if I understand you, it
doesn't matter what it is that may be wrong in the eyes of Heavenly Father, if
enough people do it and there's enough outcry and protest, you go along with the
world. Very Sad!
Active Duty Air Force hate to break it to you but, you're still takin' shower's
with Gay men under DADT... you just don't know it.
It does not matter how I feel about it. It is a civil rights issue and soldiers
are entitled to civil rights like all other Americans. I served my 20 years,
how about you? I knew there were gays in the military and it didn't bother me
at all. I am a mature adult and not titillated or embarrassed by the thought
that someone might see me naked. I work with gay people now and I have never
been propositioned, never been treated improperly, or made to feel
uncomfortable. Once again, how I feel about homosexuality is not an
issue and no one's business.
Re: @1:50Just curious. Do you think it is natural?
I'm active duty in the Air Force. On many occasions, PT, exercises,
deployments, we have gang showers. I realize that not all gay men would be
attracted to me, just as I'm not attracted to all women, but I find it just as
akward having to share a shower with a gay man as I would with a woman. Don't
repeal don't ask don't tell.
Just because you say it is immoral doesn't make it so. Not everyone in the US
is a conservative Mormon.
I am a retired female veteran and here are the facts about gays in the
military:1. They are there and many of them are open about it to
some of us who are served.2. It does hurt the moral of the
Bravo! I am a 20-year retired Army NCO. I don't see what the big deal is. If
anyone wants to serve their country, let them do it for heaven's sake. so what
if a person is openly gay, as long as he can shoot straight and is competent at
their job, who gives a rats who they go home with at night and how they spend
their free time.
Hatch trying to have it both ways....
What's there to see Senator? You're Mormon and know that homosexuality is
immoral--why promote it?
shouldn't have anything to do with whether or not a person can serve in the
military or anywhere else. It shouldn't remain "don't ask, don't tell," it
shouldn't even be an issue for discussion. Want to join the military and
support your country? Do it! Want to pick your nose in private? Do it! Hate
mushrooms and don't want them on your pizza? Order it without any, but don't
stand up and tell everyone that you hate mushrooms, because there might be some
mushroom lovers in the room and you might make them angry. Sexual orientation
has nothing to do with SO MANY things in life. Can't we just let this rest?
Now, if you didn't know it before, you can understand why Hatch was Kennedy's
patsy in the Republican party. Yet we keep sending him back there. Is it
because we in Utah have an inferiority complex?
Keep up the good work!
Were wearing byu shirts that why he said that
To those that believe gays should keep there private life to themself. Would you
agree to go to the military ball without your wife/husband. Can you please
update your emergency contact list on your DD forms to show no one except maybe
your parents. Can you also remove pictures of your spouse or significant other
off your desk. Can you not take or make phone calls that include "I love you"
"See you when I get home honey". See folks - it's not about being gay straight
or even BI. It's about the everyday stuff that we miss out on that you take
advantage of every day. It's about the love we have for another person whether
they be a different sex or not. A quote I read online said "I killed two men
they gave me a medal , I loved one and they gave me a discharge".
I totally agree, I have interest in anyone's orientation. I don't want to know
so keep your orientation whatever it is to yourself.
I don't what he says I only care about how he votes.
I'm with you, I really don't want to know.
this may be a military issue, but us civilians have a say. we the people run the
show not we the military.
Hatch is working hard to lose my support. Just the fact that he would consider
doing away with DADT is too much for me. As a 29 year military vet I have to
agree with "USAF Veteran" post above. Civilians don't understand the
complexities of military life. Military life is not the same as civilian
jobs/life. We depend on very, very close unit cohesion where we depend on the
trust that each other of us will defend and perserve the life/lives of the
others. We have to live on-the-edge and we can not doubt the guy next to us.There are plenty of gays in the military and 99.9% of them keep to
themselves and do a good job. I never saw one kicked out only because he/she
was gay. It was always something else like sexual advances on a subordnate but
then I saw the same thing happen to hetrosexuals who did the same.Bottom line: Leave the military alone and quit trying to make it a social
experiment. I can already see the next moves...marriage, benifits,
lawsuits.....just watch once they get this one.
"[My number one pet peeve -- I hate it when civilians tell the military what to
do. We do go around telling civilians what to do.]"When I served, I
understood that civilians like congress and our president controlled the
military. Your view is a great argument for bring back the draft.
First, thank you for your service to our country.In a free and
democratic society, the military always answers to civilian authority. Since the
military is established to provide for the common defense, military issues
effect and impact all citizens.You probably recall from your elisted
or commissioning oath that all members of the military vow to support and defend
the Constitution of the United States. This is the primary mission of all
branches of the armed forces. All citizens, residents, and (as recently
affirmed) even corporations enjoy freedom of speech.Therefore, it is
right and appropriate for any and all citizens to exercise their franchise and
speak out on this and other important issues, even if these issues initially
appear to primarily affect service members.Thank you.
Why are all of our Mormon politicians such flip floppers? Mitt Romney, Hatch,
Bennett, and Reid have absolutely 0 (zero) credibility and consistency. It's a
shame with one has to look at someone outside our borders and faith for
consistency, someone like Ron Paul.
After reading what Hatch said it is obvious that the homosexual rights activists
read into it what they wanted. He only said he would be open to debate, not
that he supported a repeal of Don't ask Don't tell.
Talk about wishy washy! Typical politician!
change it that is what i say i have problem with it norn the people how are guy
in any way some of if not most of my friends are guy or by
Maybe I do,Maybe I don't,Anyway,VOTE FOR ME!
I finally figured it out Hatch must be Bi-political. Good thing they do not have
a don't ask don't tell in the senate or he would be out.
"If you are putting your life on the line for your country, your race, your
politics, your color or any other thing including your sexuality should NOT
matter. If you're willing to die for your country, then your country should at
the MINIMUM...be willing to treat you with equality."Here's the
problem with your statement: we have a 100% volunteer army. In other words,
nobody is forced to participate. Although it is noble for someone to want to
fight for his/her country, he/she is still required to follow the rules that
he/she agrees to upon enlistment. If he/she doesn't like DADT, he/she does not
have to participate.
I am as outraged as the rest! How dare a Senator not take a position before
actual facts are presented to him. We don't want out elected officials
thoughtfully looking at issues--NO! We want them to be pigheaded and close
minded when dealing with every issue. Facts simply get in the way of strong
opinions which the public loves to reward in polling data. Be part of the
system Senator Hatch--NO THINKING ALLOWED!!!
If you're not in the military, stay out!You can have an opinion, but this is a Military issue - not civilian.[My number one pet
peeve -- I hate it when civilians tell the military what to do. We do go around
telling civilians what to do.]
Keeping "don't ask, don't tell" is really the only way to go on this issue, but
I'm just a little torn. Nobody - gay OR straight - should be over-the-top
"parading" their sexuality when fighting a war or serving in the military. And
government certainly has no business encouraging ANY dangerous & deadly personal
lifestyle, including homosexuality.But I'm not sure I like the idea
of forcing out gays who are otherwise model soldiers that were keeping their
sexuality to themselves, but were outed through no fault of their own. I'd feel the same about a soldier who was, for example, privately
practicing sado-masochism without telling any one. That's a terribly dangerous,
deadly and decadent lifestyle that I disagree deeply with, but if somebody else
"outed" them on it I don't think they should be necessarily fired for it, unless
it was affecting their performance as a soldier.
Hatch is exactly what is wrong with our leaders in Washington. I want a leader
that I can trust - one that I KNOW where they stand on an issue, even if I
disagree with him/her. I would rather have a leader that I disagree with
occasionally than one who I have no idea what they are going do do or how that
are going to vote.
Orrin Hatch: You need to resign from the Senate! you are either for or against
the "Don't ask; Don't tell policy. you have caused enough problems for us
already, the first problem was writing that Hannukah song, this past December,
causing talk show host Conan O'Brian to make fun of the LDS Church; so, Hatch,
GET OUT OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE AND STAY OUT BECAUSE YOUR TOO OLD!
Did you read his comments? It makes sense. Excuse him for thinking!
people complain when politicians lie and are now complaining when one has the
fortitude to say what he feels. Good for Senator Hatch, there should be no
special privileges for troops who are breaking rules, regardless of what the
rule is. Next the soldiers who struggle with alcoholism are going to want their
commanders to look the other way when they get too drunk to perform their best.
Get rid of the don't ask don't tell policy and either change the rule or live by
To slgs5: Right on!
At issue, is that if repealed, Gays CAN be persicuted simply for being Gay,
while a Hetro CANNOT...That's not equaility.If you are
putting your life on the line for your country, your race, your politics, your
color or any other thing including your sexuality should NOT matter. If you're
willing to die for your country, then your country should at the MINIMUM...be
willing to treat you with equality.
Hey Anonymous | 10:37, where is that poll? I've not ever seen a poll done on
Seems likes he wants to go both ways.
Hatch has been in congress too long!! Good grief Orin, it's not that hard to
make a stand. All this political two stepping only makes you look foolish and
there are enough of those in Washington already. Either you want gays in the
military and to heck with the consequences or you feel the moral and fighting
ability of our forces is more important. There is no middle ground here. Come on
Orin, this is easy!!!
Who wants to know if someone is homosexual? Is it the heterosexuals? Is it the
homosexuals? Why does anyone need to know? Why do they feel compelled to tell
anyone. I have preferences of my own. I don't feel like I need to run around and
tell anyone or everyone, as they seem to think they need to.
What I don't always understand it that gay people want to be treated as equal in
all respects but also want to be treated as a special class also. The take each
position depending on what they are after. I have gay friends who act very
normal and I enjoy being around. But I also have gay friends who flaunt it and
always are talking dirty etc. They sensationalize it and make it weird. I
don't like that at all. I would also not like straight people who would
publicly flaunt sexuality and get freaky in public either....the difference is
they don't. Gay people want to be mainstream they should act like it...not walk
naked in a gay pride parade....
What's wrong with supporting Truth? Why are so many people afraid of it? I'm
sure our soldiers can handle it. Hatch does NOT support liberal causes, he only
wants us to believe that he is open-minded in order to keep his career position
"You don't have to be straight to shoot straight"Barry Goldwater-
So what the Senator is really saying is he always tries to do what his fellow
homophobs feel is right. I'm a registered republican but will not cast my vote
for any person regardless of party if they change their beliefs for political
reasons. Can we say McCain?
Hatch likes to speak out of both sides of his mouth. Always wanting to come
across as a moderate wanting to compromise to make everyone happy. He needs to
be retired. We need conservatives with backbones representing Utah, which Hatch
every time Hatch opens his mouthhe puts his foot in it
The statement to Andrea Mitchell speaks for itself. If you misspoke, man up and
admit it. Don't blame liberals for accurately quoting what you said.
Orrin never has really gotten used to the idea that when he goes on TV there's a
record of his comments, poor fellow. That darn technology.
Nice stance, Hatch. You've got an open mind on the issue - other than you are
Shame on you!
That's right- there is no way Mr Hatch you would support a patriotic man or
women that has served our country because they were gay. Keep saying it louder!
The polls from the people for allowing gays in the military are now 75% for it.
Not in Utah huh?
I believe that Hatch is another big dog in Washington who needs to go. I would
like to see not just Dems, but also Reps who have been on the hill forever to be
done. We need new blood and people who do not sway with the wind or barter
their votes. These men get old and I am sorry, old men seem to get really full
of themselves. I love them, but they think that the buck stops with them, like
they get pushy, cause is the only way to show their manhood.
Look, I'm not the biggest fan of Senator Hatch, but I appreciate that he is at
least willing to wait for a study and look at the results before entrenching
himself in a position on the matter.
While in the past I've not been much impressed with Senator Hatch, tt appears
that he is remaining open-minded about this issue. It is also evident that the
Gay Activists are simply looking for an excuse rail on everyone about their
cause. They still haven't come to the realization that "they" are their own
Usually I am not a fan of Political talk. Not choosing a side and speaking out
of both sides of the mouth. Usually I am not a fan of Hatch. In this case,
however, I feel his comments make sense. All he is saying, is, lets see. Lets
look into. Sounds pretty common sense to me. In other words, I might not like
it, but I am willing to look at it. That thinking I can respect.
These people who have sexual preferences should not have anymore rights than
straight people have, military or no military. My opinion is that if you are a
homosexual(notice I didn't say gay because gay should never have been used to
describe these people,NEVER NEVER!!!) you can practice your choice privately
and still serve in the military or in society as whole for that matter. It's no
one's business what sex you prefer, just so long as you remain private about
this issue. As for Pres. Obama stating a repeal of the don't ask don't tell
military policy, well I believe he has more important issues concerning the
welfare of our country than this one....Thanks for listening...
The political buzzword of this decade... "I misspoke"...
It is time for Hatch to go. He does not represent Utahns and is more like Ted
Kennedy than like a Republican. Hatch does not stand for anything and will say
whatever will get him re-elected. He does not support moral or conservative
If I understand our senior Senator's position he clearly, forthrightly, and
unequivocally wishes to be on both sides of the issue at the same time.