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  • Jazz Cop
    Feb. 5, 2010 9:16 a.m.

    This team plods along at tortoise like speeds. Little wonder that lesser coaches out smart sloan at the moment that we should be enjoying our success, as so many feel it is their right to do, as i suspect, sloan feels it is his right, he doesn't have to game plan, he doesn't have to give the players any kind of motivation, he doesn't have to explain himself to anyone. he gets away with ruining players careers in the name of stashing talent away on the bench. the jazz can't make a trade because he just can't start coaching them, he has to methodically break them, if they don't get the team concept immediately, and all its unspoken rules, for some unknowable reason, sloan uses that to discriminate and parcel out his precious playing time, which he treats like candy.

    there is no change, with sloan at the helm, its just a steady coarse into the next storm, the next disaster waiting to happen,

    he doesn't have one championship to use as platform of credibility, even with stock and malone, his time is short, not this year, so never.

  • Jazz Cop
    Feb. 5, 2010 9:04 a.m.

    Do you want to know why boozer has to start? the problem starts at the top, at a managment that keeps a coach in place for twenty years, and for twenty years the same old stupid rules are applied, even when it hurts the team, which is nonsense and stupidity.

    What is this nonsense rule? That a player can't lose his starting job because of injury. what is this, but a bias, unfounded and for no good reason.
    it is a control freak with too much of an ear for his own superiority for the good of the team.

    the problem isn't the players, its the coach. why does this need to be said. who is it said for, those who get agitated by reality, who create conspiracies of grandeur. sloan is in error, and he won't change, and don't expect a miracle on this matter either.

    he will throw the team under the bus at the first sign of their weakness and bask as they go down in flames, its whathe knows how to do. he will not make changes to extend the life of the roster, or attempt to have dynamic rotations.

  • todd to bp
    Feb. 5, 2010 8:58 a.m.

    You and Doug crack me up BP. You guys are such homers.

    You two now get all the air time to be the "alleged voice of reason"

    BP I know you love this squad so much. I say though they are a big man away and a trade would be needed. You do not like that

    You lead this town with DOug settling for your 50 win seasons and limited playoff success and calling Sloan a genius.

    We are not naysayers. The fact is you and Doug ALWAYS get a dig in on anyone that does not agree with your Snow White philosophy,.



    Sloan is 96-94 lifetime in the playoffs. i AM enjoying the wins and great play. See if this is happening when it matters May and June before you preach to all of us what we should do and how to act/

    Your acts are tiresome. I will continue to call it "as I see it"

    Too bad

  • Jazz Cop
    Feb. 5, 2010 8:52 a.m.

    @BP-wouldn'tit be great if we could get boozer to accept coming off the bench? he tellsus when and where he wants to play, look at the record, haha. yeah, our producition would be out of control, yeah, its crazy talk, alot of the talk onthis blog is nonsense. I don't want to call out all the nonsense, most of it sounds like a conspiracy, the jazz push the lakers to seven games, what is this campaign against boozer? if hes on our team hes on our team and if hes not, he'll take his bagof tricks somewhere else. he can't be on the team and not start, the jazz can't keep up the way they have played the last couple of games, that's why they need boozer, and why he needs to start, aslongas he's ont he team. we can't speculate what it would be like without him, because he's always been here with this team, if he wasn't withus, then we'd find out then, fine, it willbe acceptable. If your dreaming boozer will be around, better start saving money for the box of roses.

  • BP
    Feb. 4, 2010 9:51 p.m.

    Bankshot7 I agree 100%...it gets really old hearing people find something to complain about during a 7 game win streak.
    @ The Truth...I respect your analysis, but I just don't worry too much about it. I would keep the team together, but if they don't I'm sure they'll have a good reason for it. Either way, that's their problem and they're getting paid for it. I will support what they do, because in order to be a fan, that's just what you do. No fan that I know of has ever influenced managements decisions, or had an in on team meetings. Just doesn't happen. If we don't like what we see, our choice is to endure it, or stop being a fan. Plain and simple. I'm kind of speaking to the naysayers here, not at you Truth.

    Here's "the truth": Boozer IS an Asset. Now the Jazz have to decide if that Asset is more valueable staying with the team, or being traded away for a Better Asset.

    I like the idea of him coming off the bench, but again, not our decision...why worry about it?

  • Boozer needs Humble Pie
    Feb. 4, 2010 7:58 p.m.

    Call me crazy, but the Jazz are playing well without Carlos starting. If the Jazz really want to dominate, I have the perfect solution for Sloan. (I know, here come the critics..."but David Locke said"...)

    Millsap is doing well enough starting at the 4, especially with the energy of AK in the lineup. Can you imagine if the Jazz brought Carlos Boozer off the bench. Okay, so the league scouts know about Boozer's tendency to go left; but that trick would be a whole new bag of trics against a teams subs. I know Boozer says "I'm a starter"...but the Jazz would increase their (already good) bench productivity by bring Boozer off the bench.

    Why do we let Boozer tell us where or when he should play? He's a heck of a talent, and an even bigger threat against some second class players in the NBA.

    Tell me why it won't work?

    AND ONE!

  • Bankshot7
    Feb. 4, 2010 6:05 p.m.

    If you think the Jazz stink, if you think they didn't play to your standards, if you only want to criticize the coaching staff, or belittle the player will to win, take your fandom somewhere else cause we don't need you. Our Jazz tean has it's ups and downs just like we do. Some days we are better than other days and the team/players are the same. Right now, they are having their way with all the teams they're playing and I hope it continues but I get so tired of hearing all the complainer on this forum. Why can't you just enjoy the winning streak and wait to express your discontent when the streak ends. Let us real Jazz fans have some fun and enjoy the winning. Go Jazz!!

  • Houdini/Comma Man
    Feb. 4, 2010 4:45 p.m.

    I wrote the following,

    "Sloan is not much of a coach,he pulls CJ just as he was heating up,and never put him back in,he kept Matthews in who didn`t do much at all,Sloan is CLUELESS and Matthews is terrible",,

    Once again I am sorry for pretending to be the "real Miles",,

  • The Truth @ BP
    Feb. 4, 2010 3:28 p.m.

    Yeah I get what you are saying, certainly they could pay whatever next year but in order to keep the same group together, Brewer, Korver, Matthews, Fess? would all need to be signed to contracts as well and the Jazz also have a potential lottery pick that will be on the books and they are close to the luxury tax just with current 010-011 signed contracts. Maybe if the Jazz make it to the WCF and push the Lakers to 7 games it might be a thought going forward.

    If the Jazz were serious about Booz they would be talking extension with him right now, before the trading deadline. I doubt Carlos would do that because he would lose control of where he goes next. (Miami)

  • Calgary Jazz
    Feb. 4, 2010 3:24 p.m.

    check 82games website. It is the best statistical data about value of the players to their respective teams. Boozer actually is rated negative in net production which proves that Jazz are better without him. Not surprisingly top two players on the Jazz by that ranking are AK and Dwill.

  • BP @ The Truth
    Feb. 4, 2010 2:18 p.m.

    I realize that, but all I'm saying is they'd only have to endure the Luxury tax until AK's up for renewal one year later. One year of luxury tax is probably worth it to keep this team together, especially if we can add to our team with the draft and/or development/trading of young centers.

  • The Truth
    Feb. 4, 2010 1:26 p.m.

    Here is an interesting stat that I read at lunch. Last year the Jazz with Memo,Milsap,AK,Korver and D-will had the number one scoring percentage per possession in the league with those five players on the floor. Who needs Booz.

    @BP the Jazz won't be able to keep Booz without going deep into the luxury tax. I'm not going to say it would never happen but the odds are like the commercial that says you'd have better odds to be mauled by a polar bear and regular bear in the same day.

  • More touches for Korver
    Feb. 4, 2010 1:10 p.m.

    It's true Korver was a starter in Philly! What a luxury the Jazz have to have a bench player like Korver! He does need more time on the court now that his knee is coming along! I would much rather see Korver than CJ. Korver brings spirit to the game. It would be a real treat to see Korver light up the score board! He could do it if he had more consistent playing time and a few more touches.

  • BP
    Feb. 4, 2010 12:36 p.m.

    As much as I'd love to think of a life without Boozer, you who say we are better without him are wrong...just a fact. Here's my evidence:

    1) Look at the Assists (the unselfishness stat) and you'll see the Jazz are as good or better in this department with Booz playing.

    2) Defense: our defensive numbers are actually better with Booz

    3) Depth: this has already been mentioned, but we are way deeper with Booz.

    Need I go on? Booz may not take a pay cut this summer, but AK has said he will the next year. Memo likely will too. We can conceivably keep all of them for a few more years, and maybe add a draft pick and develop Fez along the way. The way we're playing, it's hard for anyone to argue we should change anything. I think we can even beat the Lakers in LA once or twice the way we're playing.
    Hope it continues.

    OUT

  • Miles
    Feb. 4, 2010 12:21 p.m.

    Sloan is not much of a coach,he pulls CJ just as he was heating up,and never put him back in,he kept Matthews in who didn`t do much at all,Sloan is CLUELESS and Matthews is terrible

  • Jimbo
    Feb. 4, 2010 12:06 p.m.


    @ The Truth. I could not agree with you more.
    Boozer is gone anyway. May as well get something for him.


    The jazz are so much more entertaining to watch with an active AK.

    I was very impressed with Okur last night on the defensive and offensive end. Love to see him go strong to the basket.

    Mathews is pure hustle, defense, great around the basket, dives for the loose ball-- My favorite jazz man right now.

    Korver has hit somthing like 9 or his last 13 3pt shots. Would like to see more plays run for him.

  • Houdini
    Feb. 4, 2010 11:54 a.m.

    AK clueless,Matthews allstar,trade williams,

  • DA
    Feb. 4, 2010 11:54 a.m.

    Further evidence that Boozer will be gone next year. If they want to spend dough they should put it into a 2 who is athletic and can shoot or a defensive center. Boozer is good, but the Jazz play worse team ball with him on the court.

  • The Truth
    Feb. 4, 2010 11:13 a.m.

    Ok you probably wouldn't want to get rid of both Memo and Carlos.....but one of them has to go. Jerry let management trade Carlos, let go of the pacifier, he's not Karl Malone!!!

  • The Truth
    Feb. 4, 2010 10:30 a.m.

    Great coaching.....Andre's best position is at 4 but I put him at the 3 so he can stink it up, lose confidence and sulk for the past 3 years! oh yeah and draw millions of dollars coming off the bench!

    Another great GM move is to have a bunch of players (Memo,Booz,AK,Milsap and Koufos) who are best at the same spot, the 4 on the roster. Then lets give them all the option to stay? Someone has to be the odd man out, AK, Memo and Milsap have all shared that role, while Carlos seems to get his minutes.

    Hey that's no problem, let's just ask our 4's to play other positions so we can get everyon minutes, Milsap we want you to be a 3, work on that in the off season. That didn't work?

    Seems to me that a trade is in order, Booz to Boston for Ray Allen and a future pick? How about Memo and Carlos to Philly for Igudola and Dalembert?

  • Who houdini
    Feb. 4, 2010 10:22 a.m.

    Wow @houdini is a marvel. They should make him (or her) the sports editor of a major newspaper. What insight, and the predictions are brilliant.

  • Re: houdini
    Feb. 4, 2010 10:11 a.m.

    No houdini, you are the clueless one. Matthews is a great player, but he is perfect where he is and he doesn't have the length to guard the people AK does. They seem to be working where they are and that is important.

  • Frank Quest
    Feb. 4, 2010 9:45 a.m.

    Why would the chemistry go to pot when Boozer gets back? The Jazz have been playing great since before Boozer's injury. AK was playing very well since before Boozer's injury too. They've kept it up in his absence but it's not like this is a new thing. They've been on a tear for a while now.

  • re: anonymous
    Feb. 4, 2010 9:40 a.m.

    you said:

    "The Jazz just might be a better team without Boozer"

    These statements are just ridiculous.

    I will remind you rejects that Boozer was playing when the current winning streak started and was well underway. I will also remind you that while the rest of the team wallowed in mediocrity in the earlier part of the season it was Boozer who was delivering his impressive 20 and 10.

    If you people want to win you ought to wake up and realize that whether we all hate Boozer for his dumb mouth or not THE JAZZ ARE A MUCH DEEPER TEAM WITH HIM HERE!!

    How many teams can say that they have multiple starters coming off their bench? Millsap? Korver started in Philly. CJ was although I won't make too much of a case for him as he is inconsistent.

    The primary difference is that:

    1. AK is starting and getting 30 minutes. It is reinvigorated his efforts and now he is on the floor making EVERYONE better.

    2. Early season multiple injury issues and guys in and out of lineups with varying roles and minutes.

    Players thrive on consistency.

    Be grateful the Jazz have kept all this talent.

  • @houdini
    Feb. 4, 2010 9:10 a.m.

    Matthews is a starter and AK is clueless. Trade Korver to New Jersey, Denver will stomp the Jazz,

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 4, 2010 8:56 a.m.

    The Jazz just might be a better team without Boozer...wow, haven't fans been saying that for a couple of years?

  • Houdini
    Feb. 4, 2010 8:06 a.m.

    Huge upgrade in the starting lineup with AK,he does everything,I hope the chemistry doesn`t go to pot when Boozer gets back,also Matthews and Korver should come of the bench 1-2 Go Jazz

  • He's
    Feb. 4, 2010 7:42 a.m.

    been playing great. Congrats.

  • Sir Batyr
    Feb. 4, 2010 6:53 a.m.

    Nice point Steve.

    I never really understood why AK has been put in spots where his strengths are neutralized. Boozer is a good player indeed, but this whole experiment with getting Booz and shifting AK to SF has not worked out. Had AK stayed in PF position, the Jazz would have done just as well. Without much talent in 03-04 AK's Jazz had it at 42:42. Add Okur, Deron and then Millsap, Brewer, Korver and the Jazz would have looked much better over the last 5 years. Chemistry would have been much smoother, which would have been the main difference maker. I guess we should still get a chance to see what it would have been like if Booz is traded or when he moves on.

  • Steve
    Feb. 3, 2010 11:56 p.m.

    This is exactly what I've been saying. Boozer is great, but he's hampering a lot of players. Milsap, AK, and Okur are all much better when Boozer isn't here. It's not that Boozer isn't a great player, it's just that we've got $44 million dollars worth of players for that one position and another $9 million dollar center who doesn't get plays when Boozer is around. We need to spread that money around a little, lose Boozer's $16 million and put some money into the 2 and 3 spots instead.

    Karl Malone and Charles Barkley were both great players, but you wouldn't put them on the same team unless you could get at least one of them on the cheap, because you can't afford to pay 2 players huge contracts and then sit one of them on the bench because the other is slightly better. Playing them together just clogs the post, so one of them has to sit and waste money.

    Players who make $10 million + a year need to be playing 35 minutes a game, preferably in their best position.

  • Hossman
    Feb. 3, 2010 11:35 p.m.

    Woohoo Kirilenko's awesome. I think he has the best hustle in the NBA, he's my favorite Jazz player since Hornacek

  • Ak Fan
    Feb. 3, 2010 11:24 p.m.

    That shows what kind of person he is. Go Ak

  • PurplePeopleEater
    Feb. 3, 2010 11:15 p.m.

    Except for AK and Memo, the Jazz offense stunk at times tonight, in spite of how well they scored, especially inside.

    Where they stunk was easy missed layups (at least 8 points worth), and taking dumb early-in-the-shot-clock long tosses in the second half, which allowed Portland to close the gap.

    If the other team can't keep you out of the paint, why would you suddenly quit trying to go there? Duh!

    If the Jazz play this inconsistently against Denver, even if Melo doesn't play, the Jazz could lose that home game. Denver seems to have the Jazz' number this season.

    NOW, if Denver loses at the Lakers this Friday, the Jazz could actually tie them in the loss column (the all-important stat) by beating Denver Saturday night.

    Wouldn't THAT be nice!

    Then, it's which team keeps it together the rest of the season.