Stimulus created 4,740 Utah jobs last quarter


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  • Jobs, what jobs
    Feb. 3, 2010 3:38 a.m.

    In the local business paper, there was an article about my company. Evidently we are consolidating oeprating locations. Through tax incentives, we are creating 9 new jobs and saving 159 jobs.

    "Now, the reast of the story!" Thank you , Paul Harvey. We are actually closing one of our plants, throwing dozens out of work. We are moving production to this location. Hence, the 9 employees. But there is no way on this green earth they are saving any jobs. We are calling back laid off workers (laid off, not fired there is a difference). The returning workers were laid off when the economy took a downturn. Also those jobs won't be avalable for a year. There was never any possiblity of losing 159 jobs. That was a fiction used to pressure the local government into allowing a tax abatement. Smoke and mirrors. Nothing but smoke and mirrors.

  • Obama has it backwards
    Feb. 3, 2010 3:26 a.m.

    Mr/Ms "If business isn't creating jobs", the reason businesses aren't creating jobs is because of the oppressive government regulation, taxes, and anticipation of higher taxes. That money to "create" jobs has to come from somewhere and guess what, taxes are going to go sky high. Obama's stimulus (as you call it) is creating short-term employment, if any at all. For example, a job at a road paving project would last only until that project is over. It is not a steady job. It depends on taxes to continue. Taxes have to be raised from working Americans either directly or through busisness. I say through business because they will pass the increased tax burden on to the customer, the working family.
    On the other hand it has been proven before (by Kennedy and others) that dropping taxes spurs business growth and job creation. Obama has it backwards.

  • Monsolisa Johagn
    Feb. 2, 2010 12:09 p.m.

    Oh! i forgot the punchline! Then the other muffin said "ah a talking muffin!"

  • Monsolisa Johaghn
    Feb. 2, 2010 12:06 p.m.

    I am confused. If the stimulus created jobs for Utahns is that good or bad? I would have thought it would be good but it sounds as though people are unhappy about it. If you would like to be happy, tell yourself a good joke. Here's one- " 'Two muffins were in an oven. One muffin turned to the other muffin and said 'is it getting hot in here or is it just me?'"

  • If business isn't creating jobs
    Feb. 2, 2010 10:42 a.m.

    If business isn't creating jobs, shouldn't the government step in to create projects that put America back on track -- rebuilding roads and bridges left to decay under Bush, steering America onto energy efficiency and renewable energy, providing education opportunities for people transitioning from dying industries, etc.? The private sector doesn't do these things -- the government must for the better of America.

    If the free market is so wonderful, why isn't it doing what folks on this thread say it should?

    Public works and investment have been the backbone of this nation -- from the Louisiana Purchase to the building of the railroads to dam building to nuclear power to the highway system to public universities to the Internet -- all public works that the private sector has benefitted from for more than 200 years!

    Obama's stimulus is creating jobs, using resources for road/bridge building to stimulate further jobs in the supply chain, and all those employed people are paying taxes. Tax cuts to consumers or businesses don't guarantee the creation of jobs to create taxpayers -- only providing employment to people in America create American taxpayers.

  • Where can I get a $180K job?
    Feb. 2, 2010 8:40 a.m.

    Let's see $800 million spent, 4400 jobs created. That makes $180,000 spent per job created.

    Imagine if Obama had just had a lottery and sent out $180,000 to 4400 winners. I bet that would have led to more than 4400 jobs.

  • Yeah me too!
    Feb. 2, 2010 7:26 a.m.

    If I had just wasted billions of other people's money and they wanted me to account for it, I would do the same thing the Democrats are doing, I would spin, make up numbers, invent jobs I created and lie. That way you might believe me and keep voting for me! Note to Democrats big spenders. America is not a dumb as you think we are and we are voting you out!

    Feb. 2, 2010 12:18 a.m.

    Yes, let those bad old banks make small business loans just like they did when the liberals pushed for sub-standard mortgages. Check around and talk to any banker that understands the business. Ask him how his last FDIC Federal Examination went. Once again our government creates problems and then blames the problem on the private sector (this time the banks). Then the government agencies, (the Federal Regulators)(the FDIC) overreacts by punishing banks for making any loan that is not AAA. The FDIC can, on a whim, rate any loan or groups of loans as "substandard" and put an otherwise good bank out of business. Stop buying the BS about the Banks being the bad guys. Did you not see all the major bankers, most of which had paid back their government loans with interest, stand up and let Obama treat them like criminals. Big government is much more tyrannical than big business ever could possibly be. Yes and class envy works, so please don't tell me how those bad old bankers spend their entire life trying to screw you. You know, I from the government and I want to help you. Right?

  • Suspect
    Feb. 1, 2010 11:57 p.m.

    I get very suspect when the claim is creation of jobs and the first explanation says " to help retain administrative and faculty positions"

    How can they honesty count these as jobs created unless they were first lost? The claim is only that they "helped" to retain.

    Smoke & mirrors again.

  • KM
    Feb. 1, 2010 10:43 p.m.

    The government is not in the jobs creation business. They are playing us for fools, using our money to supposedly create jobs. We spend more money creating them than the jobs are worth, much more money!
    I just wish the scummy politicians would get out of the way and let the free market take care of the jobs problem.
    @anon, "we know nothing Obama can do will please you." It sounds like you are part of the administration. Obama could stop the crazy spending, that would please me.

  • B.
    Feb. 1, 2010 10:35 p.m.

    Is anyone truly surprised by Obama's failure? We (well, not me) elected the worst possible person for the job at the worst possible time. We couldn't have timed it any worse! To 'Anonymous @7:02, that isn't whining you hear, that is the rumble of the backlash that is coming in November. The best thing the administration and congress could do for the economy now is take a 3 year vacation, or better yet, resign.

  • Have Obama do
    Feb. 1, 2010 8:43 p.m.

    Somthing right and he will get praised. So far he has done nothing right.

  • Hey Anonymous
    Feb. 1, 2010 8:25 p.m.

    Wise up, they count jobs created? How many have been lost. I saw 11,000 jobs being cut at Sams Club. UTA is cutting trains, that will mean jobs lost. People who operate a shovel are getting Obama jobs, but what about the software guy? Government does NOT create jobs, it creates spending.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 1, 2010 7:02 p.m.

    This incessant whining is boring. It's the same old song. We know nothing Obama can do will please you. Your opinion is meaningless.

  • Digbads
    Feb. 1, 2010 7:02 p.m.

    I'm sorry, but taking our money to make goverment bigger does NOT create jobs. It is a huge net loss. It sucks money out of the system.

    You want to help the economy? Quit spending!

  • Failed again
    Feb. 1, 2010 6:49 p.m.

    When will the Obama Administration realize that they fail to convince "True Americans" that they are stimulating the economy? I see them stimulating the national debt at the fastest rate ever recorded in history. Temporary jobs funded by grants, do nothing to stimulate an economy. You will see my Democratic vote change to Republican in 2012!!!

  • UTA Lies
    Feb. 1, 2010 6:47 p.m.

    UTA does real Good at LYING to the Taxpayers.

  • LS
    Feb. 1, 2010 6:45 p.m.

    How many people believe these numbers? I've looked into a few of these as well as the grants that went to fund some charter schools. Mr. Davidson: Look into the details. Be a real journalist. You'll likely notice that in most of these the real story is the story behind the story. I'm afraid that you'll be afraid to publish it. Go with the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) on the first one: 1,890 jobs from a $263 million grant to the state from the Education Department to help retain administrative and faculty positions in the state's higher education system. That is $139,153 per job! Ask for a copy of the grant and how it was executed per line item. What you'll find is a lot of mish-mash-balder-dash? You'll notice some fun stuff! Report it!!

  • Ben
    Feb. 1, 2010 6:40 p.m.

    Wonderful! How many jobs would have had Mr. Pres not talked the economy down well into his presidency?

  • Frustration
    Feb. 1, 2010 6:38 p.m.

    If Obama really wants to stimulate jobs he needs to free up the lending environment. I know many companies who would like to expand or at a minimum receive a loan to put themselves in a better financial situation to then allow for expansion opportunities but can't even get in the door with banks. All the banks are doing is trying to shore up their own books. They aren't looking out for the little guy that keeps this country moving. For crying out loud, they are borrowing for 0% from the Feds! The borrowing/lending gap is huge! No wonder the big banks are showing huge profits! I wish I was in the industry--huge margins and the gov't won't let them fail.

  • Zero jobs
    Feb. 1, 2010 6:35 p.m.

    Government doesn't create "jobs," it creates work. When the money runs out, the "job" goes away.

    Businesses create "jobs." An investment in a business creates an enterprise which is self-sustaining, so the "job" remains.

    That's why tax cuts work: The money in people's pockets is spent on goods and services which sustain businesses. Those businesses take in the money and pay it out in salary and inventory (goods). The salary is spent on goods and services.

    Some say tax cuts lead to deficits. Not true. History shows tax cuts ALWAYS increase government revenue. What creates deficits is SPENDING more than you take in. The same thing that creates debt in your home.

  • Utah
    Feb. 1, 2010 6:28 p.m.

    What is that famous quote? "You lie!" I don't believe anything any politicians people spew. I've worked with statistics for years and there is one truth. You can make statistics and numbers prove/support anything you want to.

  • WOW !!!
    Feb. 1, 2010 6:24 p.m.

    Boy is this stimulating.....! WOW....Obama is truly a (select one)
    1. A genius
    2. My Hero
    3. An Idiot, regardless
    4. A Phoney
    5. A Mess
    6. A Terroiists best friend
    7. Eric Holders puppet

    (Duh, uhh, uhh, duh, and to think he went to Harvaaarrddddddddddd)

  • ???
    Feb. 1, 2010 6:22 p.m.

    I found work....in SEATTLE

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 1, 2010 6:16 p.m.

    how many of these "jobs" were in the phantom 5th congressional district?

  • Not me
    Feb. 1, 2010 6:13 p.m.

    I've been looking for work for 7 months...had many interviews in software sales, but have not had a single offer. Kudos to those that did find work though.

  • An Observer
    Feb. 1, 2010 6:04 p.m.

    All of these "claimed" jobs are government jobs,

    and many are simply temporary.

    What has Obama done to "stimulate" the private sector?