is a quarterback on a football team, not "an example of a belief system."If you want an example of a belief system, I can name several: Thomas S.
Monson, Henry B. Eyring, Dieter F. Uchtdorf, Boyd K. Packer, and eleven
others.Ute fans are upset (as usual) that one of their players did
something very stupid. Ute fans are trying to throw mud at BYU to rationalize
in their own minds how anything done or said by a Ute is excusable based on
circumstances. BYU fans on the other hand are judged by some other standard,
where everything they say and do is an obvious reflection of their
self-righteousness and hypocrisy.Football and basketball are games,
and both Max Hall and Henderson were out of line. Neither incident proves
superiority of either school, and neither incident is a reason to stereotype
every member of a religion as a hypocrite.Move on! This debate is
I am a BYU fan and I think Boylen deserves some credit for handling this
appropriately and quickly. Obviously Henderson made a mistake and Boylen is
letting him learn from it. Go Utes. Go Cougs. Go MWC.
Their is alot of hate between the two schools, read the article and alot of the
comments. Thperson was punished by the league and it should be end of story. Iam
for neither team and a firm beleiver that you must live by what the Lord taught
us to forgive the wrong that was done not carry on like it's the end of the
world. Grow up and move on.
Sandyclaws | 1:21 a.m. Feb. 1, 2010"Let's give this young man a
break. His action was one of frustration; the kind of emotional flare -up that
young men sometimes exhibit at such times. As he matures he will learn better to
control himself in such situations. No harm was done."No harm was
done? He's just lucky that Emery didn't press charges against him or he would be
in jail on assault and battery charges."I would hate to be judged
for life for a few of my actions when I was 18."Yet people who
commit crimes and physically assault other people go to jail all the time yet
this boy should get a free pass because he's young? I'm sorry but criminal
behavior is criminal behavior and he should:a) be suspended from the
team;b) be expelled from school;c) serve the maximum prison sentence
for assault.So he will learn a lesson and other sports players will
learn that assault and battery is still a crime even if they commit it on the
court or field.
Wow! My only consolation is that it's probable the person who wrote that is
younger than 18. Otherwise, it's a sad state of affairs when someone can
seriously blame Henderson's actions on Emery.As for the rest of the
people commenting, notice how most of these posts are trying to distract from
the fact that Henderson acted immaturely by pointing out that they think Emery
a typical blame-the-other-guy response from an adolescent BYU hater who isn't
yet capable of taking responsibility for his own ACTIONSHenderson
is a hot headHenderson threw the sucker punchHenderson was charged
with a flagrant foulHenderson was ejectedHenderson was suspendedHenderson was solely responsible for his actionsBeing an adult
means learning to take responsibility for your own actions.Obviously
Henderson and you haven't reached that level of maturity, yet.College basketball games are physical and intense. If Henderson can't handle
the pressure, the coach should be smart enough to bench him until he's learned
how to handle the pressure.
way to justify the actions of your team. Well done.
And the Oscar goes to Jackson Emery of BYU for dropping like a banana peel when
he was barely scratched!Way to go kid!!Id like to thank
Jimmer for scoring all our points and Id like to thank the fans for being such
classy fans and not drinking coke!YO ADRIAN
I am going to blame Emery for the whole affair. If Mr Emery does
not take several steps and get right in Mr Henderson's grill, then none of this
happens. If Mr Emery does not bump into (yes, all you delusional,
myopic Cougar fans) and INITIATE the PHYSICAL CONTACT, then none of this
happens. Mr Henderson's reaction, from a neutral perspective
(neither Ute or Cougar fan here), was nothing more than an attempt to get Mr
Emery out of his personal space. That he connected with Mr Emery at all was an
unfortunate consequence. Once again, the person who initiates the
situation, Mr Emery, is let off free of responsibility whilst the frenzied
Cougar masses call for the blood of any who dare besmirch the Cougar Nation.Pot meet Kettle.
Mr. Henderson needs to get grip on his out-of-control behavior. Anyone with half
a brain could see that this incident was clearly his cause, to say that Emery
had anything to do with Henderson's loss of control is out of their YWETIE
minds. His 4th or 5th slamming of the ball off of Tavernari that set off the
whole incident was clearly an example of his frustrations of Fredette's,
Emery's, and Haw's running him in around in circles all night long. Yes, he was
able to put down some impressive shots himself, but has some big lessons to
learn to become a better player:1) Lose that whiny/cry-baby attitude2) Learn to control your big-headed emotions whether you win or lose...3) Know that you are going to take a huge amount of abuse for the next 7 times
you face BYU4) Learn to win some games, especially against the teams you
should blow away like Idaho State, Weber State, Illinois State, and the likes of
other weak competition5) Get used to losing to the men of the south...
Good on Boylen. Plays it straight up. The kid made a mistake in the heat of the
game. No Big Deal... Would prefer that he only sit for the BYU
game... that's where he made the error. But Boylen has handled this
exceptionally well.Go Cougs.
I'd like to see the form of that apology you think Henderson owes to the Utes
(but not to BYU).Henderson: "I'd like to sincerely apologize to Ute
nation for failing to stop that lousy kewg Emery from maliciously forcing his
face into my left fist and then flopping like a girl. I'm sorry to my teammates,
but Emery deserved what he got. Most of all, I'm just sorry we got trounced by
BYU...again. But in all fairness, I had nothing to do with the embarrassments
that have been going on for the last four years and I'm really only kind of
responsible for my actions because, afterall, I'm only a freshman." Sounds good to me. Just to be clear, as a BYU fan, I really don't care what
Henderson does or says at this point and I look forward to him losing his cool
for every rivalry game over the next four years. If Max Hall has taught us
anything, it's that hating your opponent so completely messes with your game
(Hall's worst two games of the last two seasons were against Utah...to Utah's
Henderson owes nothing to BYU. If anyone deserves an apology it's the Ute
teammates and fanbase. And nobody should be comparing this psuedo skirmish to
the taunt and sock 'em issue with Oregon vs Boise St. Watch the footage. Did
Emery's jaw buckle or his eyes roll around? It's not that big of a deal. byu
fans are doing themselves a disservice if they focus on this instead of a win.
I don't get why everyone gets so worked up over that punch. Every level of
sports I have watched, I have seen players fight or take shots at other players
(pick up games, peewee league, high school, college, Olympics, Pros and Church
Ball). What to do you expect when the goal is to win and aggression is
encouraged. In the heat of the moment, things do get out of hand. BYU fans get over yourselves, you school had it fair share of bad behavior in
the past (O'Neil Chambers, Chris Miles, Rafeal Arauja and the 2004 football
recruiting class). Really, you guys should be the last ones throwing stones. I
swear you guys either have short memories or selective memories.
Congrats on the oscar
At least Max Hall apologized for a truthful reference of Ute fans. Where's the
Ute apology? Boys will be boys, get over it. It was in the heat of battle.
Emotions get away from a young player,--he'll learn from this. Utes have no
honor!!!!!!!!!! Had a cougar thrown a punch, this board would filled with ute
sarcasm. You have no honor!!!!!!!!!
Maybe emery should get a suspension. Its not like hendersen just hit him out of
nowhere, it was a response to what emery did.
I am sorry this was a physical assault and regardless if he is eighteen years
old he is an adult and deserves much more punishement. Maybe Utah should review
how Oregon handled their player in a very similar sitution after their Boise
State game. How sad is the media blew a incident with words involved
because it was BYU player and when there is physical assault they sweep under
the rug.Shame on Utah and shame on the media.
While all the animosity? Too funny. That was a pretty good flop if I have ever
seen one. These things happen. Henderson is a real competitor and is going to
be a terrific player. Hopefully both teams can finish strong. Go Cougs!
The obvious response is, unlike Drca and Henderson, if the incidents involving
BYU players had warranted a suspension, the MWC and BYU would have taken action.
The fact that neither did, is proof that the incidents, though unfortunate,
weren't nearly as serious as you suggest.
To be clear. Utah suspended Luca Drca in 2009 for tripping an opposing player.
Utah suspended Marshall Henderson in 2010 for a backhanded slap to an opposing
player.When Rafael Araujo punched UNLV guard Jerel Blassingame in
the 2004 MWC tournment no action was taken by the byu coach or administration.
3 days later he was charged with a technical foul for elbowing the Utes' Andrew
Bogut in the head. No action taken by byu.And when David Miles
kicked Andrew Bogut in the back in 2005 byu also chose to ignore the
I find it funny that the Utes always put spin on events of the game when BYU
wins. I guess you have to get something out of it. Emery flopped, Emery
flopped, Emery flopped. Oh yea, we lost.
Hendersen shouldn't have reacted to whatever was said to him by Emery. But Emery
crumpled quicker than a bug hitting a windshield as soon as I saw it I heard
Howard Cosell's voice in my head..."down goes Frazier, down goes Frazier". It
is also what Greg Ostertag must have looked like when Shaq slapped him.
I agree completely with "an embarrassed fan." There's no way Emery anticipated
the hit, or could have planned a flop so immediately after the hit. I've seen
people go down, very much like Emery, after running into a bee. It's not the
force, it's the surprise and natural reaction to distance yourself from the
danger. The quicker the unanticipated danger, the more overreactive the
response in surprise. Just watch the entire incident in real time,
then go to You Tube and look up "weightlifter mouse prank" and watch that. Very
much alike, and both very funny.But, I agree it was all
heat-of-the-moment stuff - kids learning to play in a more adult competitive
environment. The punishment fits the crime, and let's all move on. If "an
excerpt from Las Vegas Sun, 5:02" is correct, a one-game suspension may not be
enough of a wake-up call for this apparently emotionally imbalanced young man.
As great as Max Hall is and as accurate as he was when he called Utah classless
- he should have called them worthless. As classless as they are, worthless is
a much better description.
The Utah coach is only outdone in classlessness by his classless freshman. I
agree that the example set by Boylan as he stomps, rants at the officials and
cries after games may be the root of all of the classless acts perpetrated by
his team. Emery and JT can only be commended for not escalating the situation
after the hit on Jackson (and yes Yewt fans it was a real hit). He is
fortunate that his Coach volunteered a one game suspension. The very least he
should have received instead of something major like such an act deserves.
Let's see if the Yewts can clean up their act before the rematch in the Yewts
One game is fine with me. Sometimes it can get very heated on the basketball
I haven't seen any comments blaming Jackson Emery on here so I don't know what
you're talking about. People are just commenting on how easily he went down. It
was a little humerous. I'm sure these young men will look back and
few years from now and Henderson will say "Man was I an idiot" and Emery will
say "Man did I look like a sissy."That's part of growing up.
I don't condone the behavior of Henderson but there is no way that would cause
someone to drop like a banana peel. Give me a break. My 4 year old wouldn't
have even dropped from that.
Should be more game suspended. Cheap and totally CLASSLESS!!!Hopefully the MWC will make the suspentions more accurage and
meaninful!!!!Boise state shows much more class then the yewts!!!!
The kid made a mistake...ease up on him fellow Cougar fans. The W was the
biggest thing from game. Max Hall was forgiven by most Utah fans and his words
seemed a bit more premeditated than the Utah player's "heat of the moment"
swing. I love my Cougars but I have a healthy respect for Utah basketball and
their past accomplishments. They aren't going to down like this every year.
For UNLV fans, a 73-69 loss Jan. 16 at home to Utah was pretty easy to forget.
Sitting courtside, though, I stored the name Marshall Henderson away in my
memory file for future reference.Why?Well, that night, the Utes'
lanky 6-foot-2, 175-pound freshman guard looked like, well, an immature
freshman.I'll give the kid credit, because he hit a bevy of 3-pointers,
and each one was more difficult than the last. He finished the night 5-of-13
from the field – 5-of-9 from 3-point range – and scored 15 points in
38 minutes. He also had two rebounds, two steals, no assists and three
turnovers.But what was more memorable were his antics.After each
three he hit, his right hand was left up in the air for, oh, at least 10
seconds. His mouth never stopped. Then, as the Utes approached the scorers table
after landing the upset to shake hands, he looked up into the stands, slammed
his chest three times with his right fist and yelled 'That's what the ****'s
to say he flopped is ridiculous, he didnt even have time to think through a
flop, he didnt know the hit was coming. Planning to flop on the charge next time
down the floor is one thing, but Jackson didnt even know the punch, backhand,
slap whatever you want to call it, was coming. Do you really think he couldve
played it that fast without warning ? cmon....I am not a troll, a Zoob, etc. I
have been a Utah fan all my life, but with Boylen at the helm this program is
headed down the wrong road. I hope the Mtn West imposes a more substantial
penalty, five games would be more appropriate. I have been told Henderson has
mental issues, boy it is becoming more evident more and more. You do know his
own father (his high school coach) had to suspend for the rest of the season
last year for undisclosed reasons, conveniently let back on the team prior to
the state championship series. (google it). Ya know, Boylen wants punks on his
team cause he thinks they are more aggressive, and he's got one with this kid,
good job and good luck Coach....
I've read numerous comments like "Max Hall was right". Probably a dozen of them.
A dozen more on KSL.You Cougar fans all begged for Ute fans to
accept Hall's apology. Now, dozens of you are bringing it up again. Hall's
comments were out of line and an embarrassment to BYU. Why do you guys want to
embarrass BYU again? I didn't see Henderson punching any fans. Why bring up
Hall's comments regarding the "whole" U of U organization? It is an unrelated
issue. If you think Henderson was classless, fine. He was, and deserves his
suspension. But you, in Max Hall fashion, are including all of Utah fans in
Henderson's actions, and are making it difficult for Ute fans to accept Hall's
apology, and forget it. I didn't see Ute fans hit BYU fans. I didn't see
Henderson hit BYU fans. Why the Max Hall comments, especially when
you all (most of you anyway) condemned his comments?I don't get it.
82-69 I believe BYU WON... Who cares who flopped or not Utah flopped out of
their with a bad loss. BYU flopped yet another win!!!
6 out of the last seven in basketball and 3 out of the last four!!!
Utah didn't win the Mtn West last year. Sorry bud, BYU did. Utah won the
conference tournament. BYU won the conference. Yes, there is a difference. So
funny about football teams being similar too. So you congratulate BYU as having
an equal team when utah wins a close one? Hilarious. Again -
hypocritical holier than thou self righteous UTES
Need I say anything more?
Jackson Emery!Wow somebody call Hollywood give em that reel from the
other nightkids got a future in Hollywood but lots of temptation for
For the LDS Ute fan: It seems clear that when one person accuses another of
hypocrisy and a holier-than-thou attitude, it's actually the accuser who is
acting holier than thou. Think about it.
What do you mean? Now is all that counts unless it is a year when Utah wins a
BCS bowl, Utah plays in the NCAA championship game or the memory of 1984!
Henderson is an idiot. He was out of control and couldn't take any of the trash
from Emory and reacted in a imbecile way and Emory was smart enough to magnify
the action and get the attention of the ref to get the call. Henderson=idiot
Emery=smart. That's to make it simple for the Yewt fans. I can't wait to see
Henderson try to drive down the center of the key the next time they play. I
would think he could end up on his head in a clean attempt to block his shot.
Might be interesting to see the next game. MAX WAS RIGHT!!!!!!
Maybe you forget we are only one year removed from Utah beating Alabama in the
Sugar Bowl, and Utah winning the Mtn West in basketball last year. One year
better in basketball does not mean you are "clearly on top." The football teams
were very similar this year. Nice try on that one though.
Ute fans would have thrown garbage at innocent people because one of their
players committed a flagrant foul and got ejected? Do you have any idea how
foolish you sound? Really? Do you have any grip on reality at all or do you
constantly live in this little dream world you create in your mind?
It was an amazing game...but I actually quite liked Utah's coach. He is very
animated during the game, but he still seems to be under control. I didn't know
much about him but gained a lot of respect for him in the game.
You don't see the difference between hate and venom and trash talking? Here...
"What did the Lobos do to you Cougs, you know if they repeat that they win the
conference?" Or "Cougs, how did you ever lose to the WAC second place team?"
Or "you better hope the Ute center misses all his layups again and Jimmer is as
hot as a firecracker again or you are going down at the U." Or... "Utes, why
didn't you decide to play before you fell behind 18?" Or "the ten foot wall was
impressive on the layups... giving them up and missing them!" or... "Utes, how
does it feel to go down in football AND basketball?"
Lucky the game was played at the Marriot Center. Henderson walked out with
minimal crowd reaction. If the game was at Utah, I suspect that after Henderson
was ejected, the BYU team, fans, and cheerleaders would have been pelted with
garbage by the Ute crowd.
Too bad that Henderson is overshadowing the game. Whether Emery flopped or not
is not the issue, Henderson swung at someone's face. You could tell by the body
language of the entire Ute team and staff that they were embarrassed and were
quick to apologize. Very classy. Henderson is young and immature, so don't
lump him with the rest of the team. I like the way Boylen has handled this.
He's a good coach and will do well once Giacoletti's mess is gone.
Fredette said in an interview after the game that he and Tavita were just
competing hard, that they are good friends off the court and loved to play
against each other. It looks to me like when an opposing player gets knocked
down, Fredette's the first guy there to help him up. I believe he's a great
competitor, loves the game of basketball and respects his opponents. It's too
bad more ball players aren't like him.
Sounds like you are stating that you are proud of being classless. And "to LDS
Ute" you say the hypocrisy goes both ways like you are proud of it! Most of you
folks commenting on here are in grade school, right? Isn't that where we
witness... "you started it..." "he did it too-ooo...." "I only did what Johnny
did first..." Laughable!
Univeristy of Utah now seems to be home of the self righteous hypocrites. They
talk trash non stop when their teams are doing well(and yes Utes - you've had
some amazing years in both basketball and football), but now that BYU is clearly
on top, all of a sudden the Utes are all about "respect" and not talking trash.
Seems kind of hypocritical to me. By the way - I'm an aggie
Having watched the game in California, it was obvious that Henderson threw the
ball at Tavernari hard (a fair play) and Henderson swung at Emery (the blow
could have been glancing, was hard to tell, but was against the rules). I was
afraid Jackson's eyes were hit. If Emery "flopped", thats another fair
basketball play to draw fouls, so no harm there.
And you sir, have shown your character. As identified by your fellow BYU fan.
Let's see... Henderson is an 18 year old kid who instantaneously reacted out of
emotion. You, however, and the other "older and more mature person" whose
action you are saying doesn't compare to this had time to cool down and think
about what your were going to say... in other words, we saw his true character
and heart, not a momentary reaction. But you are right about one thing... an
emotional, immediate response does not compare to pre-meditation. Now, do I
think Max learned, repented and gave a sincere apology, I do, I give him the
benefit of the doubt.
If a 6'3 185 lb man can't take a little unintentional contact to the face then
what business does he have playing a contact sport like basketball? He may have
had his fist closed but it wasn't an aimed attack. Clearly Emery was in his
face and we have no idea what he said to him but I'm sure it wasn't nice. It
might have been a little immature but how many times have you seen a game where
players get into shoving matches and don't even land a Technical foul. The guy
flopped. For anyone who's ever taken a REAL punch to the face and not fallen
over you know that this guy embellished his reaction.
I will start by saying that Ive watched Jimmer for several years and you could
not want or ask for a better person than Jimmer. I am a BYU fan because of
Jimmer, as he comes from my home town and high school, Glens Falls,NY. nOW AS
FOR Jimmer's trash talking, I found that very funny and unusual, as I have
watched him play for 7 years, and can't ever remember him getting envolved in
that before. I,m not saying he has never trash talked before, I just don't
recall ever seeing him do that. But as he stated after the game, the Utah player
he was talking with and himself, are friends off the court, so I dismissed that
as just what it was, court trash talking. Also to fans of other teams in the
Mountain West league, while you don't have to root for Jimmer, enjoy him while
you can. he is a special talent=Now I do believe Emery did a flop, but
that is smart on his part.I guess as a outsider I never realized how much each
side disliked each.
As a non LDS member, follower of basketball, I get tired of the religion in
sport comment boards. (only in Utah, I know) The BYU mormons vs. the U of U
mormons might be interesting to some but to the rest of us it is just
entertaining. Who is the most self-righteous? You both win that distinction. BYU
for setting high standards and having to live it down when proving too human to
live up to them. The U of U mormons for supposedly having the same standards,
but standing with us belittlers mocking the mormons. And then claiming
superiority. It is rather entertaining.
"@OOtahrules | 3:53 a.m. Feb. 1, | 7:57 a.m. Feb. 1, 2010Get hit in the
mouth and see if you flop or hit the floor. Henderson is undisciplined and
fixing it is a quality coache's task. Oh wait, Utah doesn't have a quality
coach."Are you kidding me? You obviously didn't see the play or the
thousands of replays. Henderson barely touched him with a finger. Is his
finger that powerful or is Jackson Emery (who I think is a good basketball
player) that week that he has to FLOP to the floor. There is no way that what
Henderson did would have sent anybody to the floor. He certainly wasn't right
in doing what he did, but Jackson shouldn't have confronted Marshall when the
play was over and done and there wasn't anything that occurred during the play
that warranted Jackson's action.
You know that even if you put "hell" in quotes, you're still swearing, right?
Honor Code, Bob. Honor Code.
Hopefully Henderson learns from this. If you're going to take a swing, make it
count. Max Hall might have painted with to broad a pen, but taking a cheap shot
is rather classless.
Raw truth is "Max was right" UofU fans and "its" sports administration bosses
are indeed--classless!------Uh, the U coach suspended him, and
he never defended him. Henderson never denied he meant to do it. Make a
mistake, admit it. Kid makes a mistake, there are consequences. I'd say those
things were classy. Kudos to the Utes on this one.A
I'm a Cougar fan, and you, child, have no class.
One game seems right. It wasn't a "Punch," it was in intended brush off that
turned into an accidental backhand. It'll be a cheap lesson if he learns from
it. (as opposed to Rasheed Wallace, who never learns).Good Luck,
HendersonA BYU Fan.
mh is hiring the phone guy (someone's son) as a body guard. Don't worry marshie
we will just embarrass you on the floor1
beat them bad!
for Marshall... In a few years people will be saying WHO's henderson. Just a
moment of imfamy!
Emery "flopped" darn rights, he could have used his black belt skills to
retaliate, but he chose--wisely!Just one game??? Raw
truth is "Max was right" UofU fans and "its" sports administration bosses are
indeed--classless!But you'll have it your way, come "hell" or high
should only get back after one game if he wears pink shoes and changes his
jersey to say Twit!
Guess what, no matter how smart and sensible your comment sounds. There is no
way a coach can be responsible for or stop an emotional, instantaneous response
by an 18 year old boy. Nice try though...
Read... there are very few, almost NO Ute fans defending Henderson's action. I
certainly do not. Rather, they are saying he reacted to Emery (not excusing it
or blaming Emery). That he acted like an emotional 18 year old and the
suspension is appropriate. Some say they don't think it was intentional.
Responding to hate filled and ridiculous comments by many Cougar fans. Saying
it was not a hard blow and they "think" Emery sensationalized it (kind of beside
the point though I think that is), etc, etc. Find a post, really, where Ute
fans excused what he did... go on. I am not saying you won't find one but that
is a far cry from what you stated the case to be. In fact, I think most of the
comments are in response to "Max was right" garbage. Go on... waiting... quotes
Yeah and all you Poote fans don't consider Alex Smith and Scalley's past
comments, where they use the word hate. Yep the same word you were all up in
arms about Max using, so it looks like hypocrisy goes both ways don't it?
I wish Hendersen would have done that to me. I will show you classless.
Who was it that kicked Bogut in the back when he was already on the floor? How
long was his suspension?The MWC already said they wouldn't tack a
longer suspension on to what Boylen already handed out; I guess zoobs are just
I like how all you Pootes are comparing this to Max Hall, So when did Max Hall
ever throw a punch in a game? If this scenario were reversed and a BYU player
would have thrown a punch, ALL of you Pootes would be screaming for his head and
talking about how they should know better cuz of the religious teachings at BYU,
I have some other names for you Pootes, Classless, Losers AND Hypocrites. And
to all you Pootes talking about Emery going after him, HUH? He was walking next
to him, not coming at him with an ax or something, wow! nice imagination Poote
The BYU player went down faster and reacted worse than a soccer player. He
should consider a career in professional wrestling. ANYONE REMEMBER
WHEN ARUJO SWUNG AND PUNCHED PEOPLE? It was ok then right BYU fan?
The coach sets the tone and his players follow. Cheap shots are only expected
if the coach has no control of his players. First Luka Dorca trips Blake
Griffen and now henderson bunches a Y player. Stay classy u, each comment by
many fans only support Max Halls comments!!!
Wow, so many ute fans assuming BYU will be invited to the big dance! Thanks!
Doubting your team won't even make it I see.
I read the article and was fully prepared to make a comment here that a 1-game
suspension seems about right for hitting someone in the face during a game.
But, then to read all of these comments from UofU fans about how somehow it was
Emery's fault or complaining about a flop or that even though the hit was
unnecessary at least it was Emery who got hit.Seriously, what is
wrong with you people? I used to think it was that many UofU fans are
classless, but now I'm pretty sure that many of them are clueless. Your player
hit another player in the middle of a game on the court. What any BYU or UofU
player has done on or off the court over the years doesn't really matter for
this issue. Henderson punched/slapped someone. He should get suspended.
Defending it or justifying it doesn't make any sense.I still stand
by my initial thought that a one-game suspension seems like an appropriate
punishment. Can't wait for the rest of the season!
Should not have happened. Henderson deserves and will serve out the suspension.
Not that big of an incident. Henderson should probably apologize to Emery but
he did not hit the University (BYU) and all of its fans. No public apology
Boylen needs to suspend him for the rest of the season. If that was a BYU
player, Ute fans would be asking for something stronger than a one game
suspension. Utah fans are clueless on how servere Henderson actions were toward
Alright pardon my ignorance for not knowing what happened. I will admit I did
not watch the game.I want to share my first impression of the
Boylen/Rose photo as it had me laughing hardcore. This photo somehow grabbed the
light side of my brain's moon. I thought it was really good to see the rivalry
(holy war) took a pleasant turn with Rose and Boylen congratulating each other
after a hard fought game. Seriously, this photo had me thinking the two coaches
were going to kiss before throwing punches.I better get up to speed
here. Did anybody speak of hate after this one. What will the BYU VS. UTAH
rivalry become before 2012 or some kind of end of the world concept.
That BYU player has a glass chin.
I am not a Ute fan and don't really follow Boylen at all. I will ask this
question: How can he expect his players to keep their cool when he so blatantly
loses his? He was running onto the court flailing his arms around like a mad
man. Then his freshman comes down and makes a mistake and hits Emery. Isn't
this a direct reflection on the coach? They say teams tend to take on the
personality of the coach and I would see this as a problem for the Utes. Then
again, it was only a one game sample so maybe Boylen is normally quite calm.
Desperate little bro. No matter how you hate it your little bro moniker will
stick...cuz it's true.And thanks for demeaning the real reason the
cougs wore pink...er red for you color blind, desperate for attention ute
I am sick of all the bantering that goes on between Ute and Cougar fans in
these comments. You are all missing the point. The point is that if Boylen
would teach them how the play basketball, the Ute players wouldn't get so
frustrated. It is amazing how being competitive and winning, eliminates
frustration.The real solution to the problem is; get rid of Boylen and get
a real coach.
THis is exactly what max was talking about!!!!Stay classy cougars.
The Red BYU was wearing, trying to be like big brother..
Class this, class that . . every program has its share of jerks, and even
normally solid citizens get nuts once in awhile. One game for Marshall is right
on. He didn't exactly pull a Kermit Washington. Yeah, Emery went down a bit
easy, but he was surprised . . it's not like it was a premeditated flop.I'm a Y grad and fan, and I didn't think it was a big deal. The
overzealous will milk the whole thing from both sides, but it was a minor
incident. Dumb but excusable backhand by Marshall, exaggerated flop by Emery.
The end.And the trash talk spices things up. I got no issues either
way. But jawing when you're in the process of hanging 36 and an "L" on someone
means a little more.
Where is the apology from Henderson? I think one game is enough of a suspension,
but if Max Hall had to apologize for his stupid comments, why shouldn't
Henderson have to apologize for hitting Emery?
Scoreboard!!! End of story.
I have seen neither side ever claim God was on their side. I've HEARD of a few
fringe fans who do, but I've never actually met one of them.
You started it... nah nah nah nah nah. Very profound! So... Jimmer's standard
of conduct is Tavita? Hmm, I thought he and you claimed to have another, higher
standard??? And... are you absolutely 100 percent sure that Tavita started it?
Or are you stating that as fact because that is what you want to believe? I
don't think anyone is putting the blame on Emery, I am not. I simply recognize
the inappropriate, open hand, back swing was in response to Emery's touch. I
also think the throwing of the ball was just like the previous (successful one)
except that it was just after the whistle blew...you have witnessed kids many
times trying to save a ball that was obviously not savable. And regarding the
religion thing above... you know, if anyone ever, ever took responsibility on
your side of the situation and didn't instead act like it is different or
excused or justified because of your "code" maybe people wouldn't bring that
point up. You think?
Utah fans marched around the Marriott Center carrying vulgar Max Hall signs and
yelling obscenities at the BYU students waiting in line for the game HOURS
BEFORE the game started.So you can get over your "BYU fans just
won't drop it" stuff.GUARANTEED, Utah fans will be complaining about
Max Hall YEARS after BYU's fans have dropped Henderson's sucker punch.I fully expect hundreds of Utah fans will be going out of their way to prove
that Max Hall was correct about them at next season's BYU-Utah football game.
From what I could tell, it wasn't a flop by Emery. Because it was completely
unexpected, I could see how almost anyone would fall down from that kind of a
hit. With that said, I don't think Henderson should get more than a one game
suspension from this. It was in the heat of the moment, and wasn't really that
bad of a hit. One game is enough.
Sounds like the players and coaches from both teams have moved past this
unfortunate, but minor incident. Time for the fans to do the same.It's amazing how some people (from both sides) draw such broad conclusions
from the actions of one or two individuals, made in the heat of the moment.
I can't believe how some on this posting are immature... on both sides of this
arguement...come on guys, it's a game! We don't need to spew the venum...of
course there will be some intense games like that, but the players have gotten
over it...why don't we grow up and get over it too? Calling coach Baylon foul
names and each other...yikes...I am a cougar fan who appreciates the Utes for
their competativeness. Go cougars.
" re: LDS Ute | 10:48 a.m. Feb. 1, 2010Do you also have the YouTube video
of Drca intentionally kicking the foot out from under Oklahoma's star player,
from behind, on national television, while the ref's back was turned?"Don't divert. This is about BYU fans bringing back Max Hall's comments
and now saying that all Utah fans are classless. Given the logic, then BYU fans
are classless too given the BYU player kicking the Utah's Bogut. Oklahoma and
Utah have nothing to do with this. Utah and BYU are the subject.If
Utah fans are classless because of Henderson, then BYU fans are classless
because of BYU's kick to Bogut. Or, if you prefer, we won't judge
BYU fans based on that isolated incident. The BYU player was wrong. Also, we
won't judge Utah fans based on Henderson's behavior. I DO see plenty of U fans
condemning Henderson's behavior and justifying his punishment.Let's
don't have a double standard.
Everything surrounding this incident was handled appropriately, by Boylen, the
Utes and Cougars. Boylen acknowledged Henderson made a mistake, whether the
swing struck Emery with force or not, and he's taken appropriate action. Emery
did nothing wrong. All of you who can leave it at that, and recognize that Boyle
wants Henderson to learn, need to get a life. This has nothing to do with Max
Hall or anything he said. Those who keep bringing that up, or the "classless"
stuff, are the only ones lacking class.
get over it 11:05 said "Every time you get on the religion wagon you
are critizing them also. Please stop the religion junk. "You can't
separate BYU from religion. That is like separating the sun from light. It
This was a Cheap Shot that should get more than one game. Max hall said it best
Utah and their fans are classless.
Hilarious! Or maybe responsibility is spelled c-o-n-d-i-t-i-o-n-a-l! No, wait,
s-i-t-u-a-t-i-o-n-a-l. Hehehe... hohoho... this won't lighten the mood will it?
26-6 on what? Classless, trashy comments? I kind of think that is subjective
and may be more like 24-8 BYU. They only have the U tripled. LOL
Are you talking about the class of going for an onside kick when you're winning
by almost 50... True class!
And BYU is not developing that propensity under Bronco? No, wait, that was one
incident, not two. One offense does not a propensity make. Do you honestly
believe that Henderson thought about whether the refs were watching? Silly...
If you watch the hit from another angle (watch it on YouTube) you would realize
that it was not a flop. From the Mountain's angle (right behind the player) you
can't tell what kind of contact there was. Watch again as Emery tries to get up
and is staggering from a punch (yes a closed fist makes it a punch) to the face.
Other than that, everyone needs to just take a deep breath. As Boylen
said, the kid made a mistake. Let's suspend him for a game and move on. It
isn't like this kid committed pre-meditated murder. I also find it great
that Ute Fans try to put the blame on Emery for getting hit in the face. What a
coward that Emery, he gets hit in the face and falls over. I guarantee you that
if put a closed fist backhand to your face you would be on the ground as well.
As far as trash talking goes, Jace Tavita started it and Jimmer Fredette
finished it. If you don't want our guy talking then you better tell your
non-significant player to keep his mouth shut.
Yep, I do. And I admit and agree that both kicking incidents are wrong... can
you? Evidently not... hence the hypocrisy comment made above. Whys is it that
you must always change the subject and reflect the attention on someone else's
from the Utes. Why expect any follow through? Boylen gives him what he thinks
the league might. I know, they have other players hurt so they can't afford to
give him a proper suspension. Hopefully this kid can learn to control
himself.Thanks for the hitory lessons from past season Utes.
Remember when you guys won BCS games, you used to be so awsome. That means you
were one of the top 10 teams that year. Your basketball team used to be good as
well. Great memories.
It's a game. It gets heated. This is nothing like Max Hall's fiasco, because
what he said was obviously pre-meditated and this was a frustration swing.This kind of thing happens all the time, especially in rivalry games. I
seem to remember Chris Miles kicking Andrew Bogut on the ground. Also, BYU's
crown jewel Danny Ainge was notorious for this kind of thing. Don't turn this
into a matter of class, please, it's embarrassing.
I am a Utah fan and I was at the game. I believe it was inadvertent but it DID
connect! I also believe the fact that he swung his arm abruptly like that
warranted an ejection and 1 game suspension! I also believe that (reply to
about the flop) Emery would have turned in winced not only out of instinct but
in pain... though I don't think he naturally hit the floor. Doesn't bother me
though... the flop is no more a than a quick emotional response. He is and more
experienced and mature than Henderson but not by a bunch. They are all kids
really... who need to learn and learn from experience. Sometimes in life the
best learned lessons are the ones from the biggest mistakes and hardest
byu beats utah in football and all we hear about is max hall. The u contigent
at the bball game was still chanting that. Now we have the henderson thing. I
an attempt to justify (i guess the loss) they have created a flop issue and are
bringing back old stuff that happened years ago. Get me a break.The
old stuff happened and know what it will continue to do so. But please quit
crying.Also please the LDS stuff. David Foster and Jeremy Olson are
LDS and are Utah players. Every time you get on the religion wagon you are
critizing them also. Please stop the religion junk.
Henderson was wrong, and deserves his punishment. But I am seeing
more classlessness by BYU supporters than U of U supporters.How many
comments on here and on KSL saying Max Hall was right? Dozens and dozens. You
all wanted Ute fans to accept Max's apology. Now you won't let it go yourselves
and are bringing it back. You are once again including ALL U of U supporters
based on the the "heat of the moment" mistake by a freshman ball player, who was
clearly wrong and deserves punishment. Yet you bashed Ute fans for beating up on
BYU fans for the "heat of the moment" bad comments of one Max Hall. Now you dish
out the same to Ute fans.Where is that honor code? Where is
the honor, humility, and behavior one would expect from the "Lord's University"?
I support both teams. But I am sore disappointed in BYU fans'
attitudes. Utes that don't admit Henderson was wrong are bad too. But they
aren't claiming the Lord on their side.
YOu writer's should stop and see what you're writing. Once again people cross
the line and become bigots towards christianity.Coach Boylen is a
stud. He did the right thing even though he could have waited to see what the
conference officials had to say. Even if your a cougar fan, you have to respect
the class shown by Utah's coaches in both basketball and football.
Oh, I see... I went back and read it. You are circumventing the fact of the BYU
player kicking someone by attempting to put the focus on spelling! Let's see...
how do you spell "responsibility?" A-v-o-i-d.
to all you kewgs, emery must be majoring in theater because that was the biggest
flop ive seen since Vlade Divac!
Do you also have the YouTube video of Drca intentionally kicking the foot out
from under Oklahoma's star player, from behind, on national television, while
the ref's back was turned?Under Boylen, Utah seems to be developing
a propensity for delivering cheap shots when they think the refs aren't
Deseret DualBYU 26Utah 6This is turning into a
According to Trib writers, it was inadvertent and didn't appear to connect.
As a BYU fan, I think most would agree that Emery exagerrated the hit (falling
to the floor). However, what would a natural reaction have been in that
situation? I think most would agree that even a slight hit to your face (when
it is not expected) would have made many people turn and wince out of instinct.
Reality is, Henderson deserved the ejection/suspension no matter
what Emery's reaction was.Funny thing is Utah fans are more
concerned with a flop by Emery than the losing record of their bball team. Good
luck finishing over .500
Henderson should have been suspended the number of games equivalent to the
number of his pimples
The yewt fans' justification and/or down-playing of what Henderson did to Emery
is so outrageous I wouldn't be surprised to see some of them start providing
alibis for him asserting Henderson wasn't even in that game but was with them at
a bar in another state. But that's how being a yewt fan can affect your
how folks on here want to constantly compare themselves to other people. To a
standard that emphasizes or de-emphasizes others behavior. I thought we were
supposed to hold ourselves to a different standard, an non-human one, regardless
of what other do!
Too bad Henderson didn't have some beer to throw or some X rated words to hurl
instead of his fist! Then there would not be a problem, right Utees?
What he did was wrong & stupid, no need to crucify him for it. Why the Utes
can't get their basketball going this year is beyond me. Good luck in the NCAA
this year Cougs. GO UTES!!!
What irony? That he grouped himself in with a lot of Pharisees?
The Oregon running back threw a punch! Not flip his arm up to the side of his
shoulder... do you have any common sense whatsoever?
Poor Jackson Emery. We are all hoping for a fast and full recovery. I remember
when Cher slapped Nicolas Cage in Moonstruck. I was worried about Nicolas
Cage's acting career being in jeopardy. Maybe there is an Oscar in Jackson's
It seems like a more appropriate penalty for Henerson would to be to sit out the
game at Utah when BYU plays there. You sort of have to wonder why a foul was
not called for throwing the ball in the face of JT.
You talk about double standards? Read the testimony of LDS Uta Fan above!
Yep, Max had a point... an invalid one. It showed all of the class and maturity
of an emotional 18 year old freshman. Too bad he is a "mature" married
20-something "leader" and "example" of a belief system!
if Drca got a 2 game suspension for tripping, shouldn't Henderson get at least
as much for striking someone in the face, flop or no flop???
Answer: Because they are good friends...but all you see is blue vs red and
nothing above that.
No, I bet in his mind it is classless in both accounts and on both sides. But
needs to point it out (on Fredette's side) because only those on one side act
like they are better than thou and never do anything wrong!
I think your mother made a good point that your actions will influence people
more than your words. But my father, who holds much more clout than your
mother, says... "But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from
the heart, and they defile the man." I think he said elsewhere that what comes
out of the mouth is a result of the heart within. I hope you'll understand that
I am going with what my father said on this one...
LDS Ute Fan says: "What I can't stand is they hypocrasy of BYU fans. These are
mostly the judgemental, more righteous than thou people that give Utah mormons a
bad name."I agree completely. I have a YouTube video where a BYU
player kicks Utah's Bogut. BYU fans won't consider that classless.Henderson was wrong in his actions. He deserves the suspension.
How does it feel to have maybe the fourth best ball team in the state? Wait,
make that fifth - BYU women's team is looking strong
Maybe 3 years from now the freshman will display as much class as Max Hall
Do you not see the irony in your post? Are you that oblivious?
Wasn't that big of deal. One game suspension is right on on. Nothing more needs
to be done. It will be fun for the fans when Henderson comes to the Marriot
center for the next three years though. This rivarly just keeps on giving every
year. These kind of incidents gotta be reporters dreams.
That was a huge flop. Henderson barely grazed Emery's face with an opened hand.
If it wasn't a flop, Emery needs to continue to wear his pink uniform to show
his true colors.
for hitting an opponent like Henderson did on Saturday.But tell me,
Cougar fans, when did calling someone else "classless" become classy?
One Game? Didn't that running back from Oregon get the entire season? This kid
acted like a punk and I think he should have gotten much more than he did.
Just saw the video and what a flop. Henderson barely touched him-utah and byu
fans get so worked up about the stupidest things. it's a physical game so get
over it, no wonder other conferences think we are weak. they would laugh this
Are you kidding me? Flat on your back from a back hand of fingers? You shouldn't
be touching another player anyways.Stupid move by Henderson, but
Emery flopping to the floor just made things worse.Another case of a
foul mouthed byu player getting shut up. Not on the court unfortunately. Jimmer
was just too good.
Boylen's character trumps that of Bronco Mendenhall. Maybe Bronco's precise
execution with a commitment to excellence was not upheld.
I think a 1-2 game suspension is probably about right given the circumstances.
Although, I'm not sure why all these yewt apologists keep trying to put some
blame on Emery for flopping or even walking toward's Henderson in the first
place. Henderson was clearly out of control when he threw the ball
at JT's face in frustration after the whistle had already blown and Emery has
every right to approach Henderson and tell him to look at the scoreboard and
chill out. As for the flop, how is that a problem? It seems just taking a
punch to the face and falling over is a much better response than retaliating in
front of Utah's bench. It could have gotten really ugly had Emery fought back.
It's almost like yewts want Emery to apologize for not being as stupid as
Henderson. Emery and JT and the other BYU players showed restraint
by backing off rather than escalating the situation any further. Henderson got
his punishment and will also now have to put up with players and fans that know
they can get into his head for the rest of his career.
Three words: Max was right
Bad move by Henderson; appropriate punishment by referees, coach. Emery
deserved it. Event over - move on.
8:53, And your post wasn't judgmental at all.
Henderson was out of control, but Boylen should have been suspended 5 minutes
earlier. Other than the Idaho State coach last year, I've never seen anyone so
out-of-control on the court. Boylen was crouched out nearly at mid-court during
regulation screaming like a banshee. The officials seemed oblivious, but the
crowd certainly noticed. At a minimum, he should have drawn a technical and a
warning. If one of Boylen's players was out of control, the reason was pretty
Looks like Max Hall had a point.
Anytime you swing even if there isn't connection, it is still un called for, and
unfortunately the kid would've been suspsend and ejected either way, so I don't
know why everyone is complaing, it was a bone headed play by a young bone headed
Just makes me laugh. Of course the punch didn't hurt, it came from a Ute. But I
bet the suspension hurts. haha
Utah fans can't decide whether they hate the cougars or their coach worse. I
personally like Boylen and believe he did the right thing. The kid deserved a
suspension, but certainly not for more than one game. If Emery did flop, it was
probably a good thing, or he could have been hurt worse.As for Fredette
talking, Tavita was doing plenty of it all game long. As were the Utes and their
fans about their 10-foot wall. How many layups did BYU get, anyway.
Ha, yeah, thanks for reminding us of that classic flop. That was Kruger, right?
Hall makes an NFL DE, hit the turf that hard.
There is no excuse for what Henderson did. Everybody's opinion is different.
Mine is, that I don't think that it was much of a swing, I think Emery (it
shouldn't have happened but since it did, I'm glad it happened to him.) flopped,
and Henderson should have been kicked out and the 1 game suspension is a just
penalty.What I can't stand is they hypocrasy of BYU fans. These are
mostly the judgemental, more righteous than thou people that give Utah mormons a
The Ute fans want to give this guy a break, as Boylen said "lets move on, it was
just heated emotion." The usual Ute double standard as shown by their childish
rants against Max Hall. They never will "move on"!
It was a flop. Not as good as the flop the DE for the Utes took when he got in
Max Hall's face after an INT, but still a flop.
A light back-handed slap and the BYU player hits the floor. Why not stand there
and turn the other cheek? What has this boy been taught at BYU?I'd
gladly pay you a dollar tomorrow for a hamburger today, says Wimpy!
Look at the replay and it doesn't even look like a hit. The 6'0" 165 pound
Henderson shoves him with the back of his left hand and Emery goes flying to the
floor and starts wincing in pain.Part of why BYU has been eliminated
year after year in the NCAA tournament is lack of toughness. They need to
toughen up or they'll get run off the court again if they play an athletic team
in the first round.
As a long time Utah Basketball fan I am very embarresed by the actions of
Marshall. I believe Coach Boylen should suspend him for the remainder of the
year. It's a privlege to play basketball at any division 1 school and the
players should treat it as such. I was hoping Coach Boylen was the
guy, but he is not. Our help defense is terrible and offense even worse.
Can't wait for rematch at the Huntsman - Utes win easily. CAN"T WAIT!!!
See you after the first round
re: re: One GameI believe that Tavita was the one who was guarding
Fredette (or trying to) for most of the game. There was plenty of trash talking
going both ways, but I guess in your mind it's only classless when it's a Cougar
doing it.What, you can only trash talk to players "of consequence?"
The Utes don't have any.
Emery went after Henderson after he fouled him by taking offense to Henderson
trying to throw the ball off of JT.I don't excuse Henderson for what
he did but to say that he deserves more is a joke. Emery went after him then
flopped. You tell me which is classless?
Even if byu has a one and done again, it will sure beat trying to end the season
Onegame, that would be possible if we had a player of consequence! Fire Boylen!
"Stay Classy Utes"Way to show your team's true form Saturday
Henderson. Yes, Emery flopped a little, but slapping someone should still
receive a harsher punishment than this. Hypocrite Utes wanted Max suspended for
a game, bowl game non the less. Now this guy tries to slap someone and many dont
think he should be suspended? Hey utes - at least you have
women's gymnastics doing well
I love the way issues like this can be manipulated any which way. The bottom
line is fans and players from both universities have proven themselves to be
classless at times. Justifying Henderson taking a swing at Emery by saying that
Jimmer was trash talking Jace Tavita is simply priceless. Come on classless
fans, keep the comments coming. I need some entertainment!
onegame, we have no players of consequence. The utes stink and it is Boylens
fault. Fire Boylen!
See you in the tourney... Oh wait you won't be there.
Get hit in the mouth and see if you flop or hit the floor. Henderson is
undisciplined and fixing it is a quality coache's task. Oh wait, Utah doesn't
have a quality coach.
That flop was worse than just about every politician that has expressed an
opinion openly, but it goes to say that if he can put on that good of a show on
the court, he is probably even classier off the court... Honor Code....
Sounds good. You'll lose there too. Have you forgot how awful your
basketball team is and how good BYU is? This should be fun...
Talk about a soccer flop!!! I am surprised he could get up after that flop!
Don't youse blokes think that it is ironic that this remark came from Coach
Boylen? He said, " He has got to control his emotions" Yeah right coach!When you control your emotions then maybe your players will. How many of you
have seen Boylen just out of total , control? Yeah, me too! Course, Dave "I
never swear" Rose always has his emmtions under total control right?Players will DO when coaches will DO!!!Oh, by the by Go AGGIES! IN
STEW WE TRUST!
What was really classless was superstar Jimmer Fredette trash talking below
average role player Jace Tavita after hitting a three late in the game.Part of becoming a great player is just playing the game. And if you choose
to go after someone, at least make it a player of consequence on the other team.
My mother always said that actions (Henderson) speak louder than words (Hall).
Why is it that we are raising such immature young people? What about that young
lady who pulled the soccer player to the ground by the pony tail? What about
Max Hall saying stupid things about the U. When are we going to raise children
to be respectful no matter what. This is totally rediculous.
Basketball is a game that ilicits great emotion at times. If you don't believe
me go and attend any church basketball game up and down the Wasatch Front. You
will see plenty of "classless" behavior when there is literally nothing on the
line. This 18 year old kid will serve his time and learn from his mistake.
CAUSING Emery to hit the floor? You mean causing him to FLOP! See you at the
Let's give this young man a break. His action was one of frustration; the kind
of emotional flare -up that young men sometimes exhibit at such times. As he
matures he will learn better to control himself in such situations. No harm was
done. He will serve a (deserved) suspension and I'm sure he will represent the
University of Utah well in the future. I would hate to be judged
for life for a few of my actions when I was 18.
Should be more. Cheap and totally CLASSLESS!!!
They knew it was coming.Their only hope was that if they did it
first, the MWC will respect it.It's hard to overule a programs
suggestions so it will probably stick, but with the hair pulling incident in
soccer, and the commercials the MWC runs on sportsmanship, I think they just
might give a few more games.