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Utah Jazz: L.A.'s Jackson dreads playing in Utah
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John Kerry | 1:36 a.m. May 7, 2008
Phil, as a typical whiney, liberal loser, I sympathize with you.
Aaron | 2:15 a.m. May 7, 2008
Um, i think they have "played ball already." Last I checked they are
up 1-0.
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Phil (The KING) Jackson | 5:58 a.m. May 7, 2008
Ever notice the High Chair that King Jackson sits on in the ESA??? It is
literally a throne for which he can sit above everyone else. (No kidding - look
at it and you'll see).
King Jackson is such a great coach too! He only takes teams that have hardly any talent and then literally molds them into that championship caliber level. Jordan? Shaq? Kobe? No way mister, it's ALL about King Jackson and his sven-like genius.
I dare say that King Jackson is the BEST coach ever.
King Jackson is such a great coach too! He only takes teams that have hardly any talent and then literally molds them into that championship caliber level. Jordan? Shaq? Kobe? No way mister, it's ALL about King Jackson and his sven-like genius.
I dare say that King Jackson is the BEST coach ever.
Phil J | 6:04 a.m. May 7, 2008
@ Power House and John Kerry
My style seems to be working. So far we have accomplished more than the Jazz. Better record this season, an MVP, quality athletes, more rings than your Sloan (even without MJ my teams have done more). I even get people like you frazzled by my
distractions. What's Jerry accomplished in the play-offs, other than live on the chronic hopes of an eventual championship? Hey Utah, you gotta luv it baby.
My style seems to be working. So far we have accomplished more than the Jazz. Better record this season, an MVP, quality athletes, more rings than your Sloan (even without MJ my teams have done more). I even get people like you frazzled by my
distractions. What's Jerry accomplished in the play-offs, other than live on the chronic hopes of an eventual championship? Hey Utah, you gotta luv it baby.
James | 6:22 a.m. May 7, 2008
Phil likes to take credit for a bunch of things he didn't do. It's no
surprise that he won't take credit for losing on the road either.
If So | 7:42 a.m. May 7, 2008
If Jackson is such a great coach where have the lakers been the last few years.
I am no b-ball expert but Jackson is one concieted person that really does not
do that much to earn his reputation but make sure he is where he has superstars.
No he ran pretty quick after micheal was gone, if you did not see that your
blind.
hahahaha | 8:03 a.m. May 7, 2008
Phil is afraid of Utah? I guess he should be. . . I mean after all he only beat
them in utah in the finals with the bulls. Then he ended their home streak this
year . . .Jazz Fans have so much Laker envy it's funny.
Kobe | 8:26 a.m. May 7, 2008
Phil is a good coach i will give you that much. But Kobe, a good player, okay,
he has good skills, but when it comes to team ball Kobe couldn't spell
team, he is a selfish ball hog. That is why the Jazz will find a way to win the
series and move on.
Mo | 8:49 a.m. May 7, 2008
This series will be a lot less closer than most think. I'd be shocked if
Utah wins 2 games at home!
Poor Phillip | 9:03 a.m. May 7, 2008
The exhaust from Bear's motorcylce is more like a breath of fresh air for
those guys from LA.
re: If So | 9:06 a.m. May 7, 2008
To answer your question: Jackson has been with the Lakers which brings up 3
points.
1. He rejoined the Lakers even when they weren't winning. So that goes against the argument that he'll only go to a team if he expects a win. He agreed to coach the team with just Kobe and Odom. They only got Gasol at the end of the season and Bynam hadn't developed yet. So, even with a team of just Kobe and Odom, Phil Jackson still took the job.
2. The Lakers were in the exact same spot as the Jazz were the last 2 years, in the playoffs. Of course they didn't go on to win those two years like the Jazz did . . . oh yeah, the Jazz didn't win either. So they were pretty much in the same place the Jazz were.
3. Actually Jackson didnt' run when Michael was gone. Jordan retired (the first time) and Jackson stayed with the Bulls for 2 years with just Pippen until Jordan returned. Then after Jordan retired again and Pippen and Kerr left he retired and didn't unretire for a few years.
Lame comments shouldn't be allowed on the comment board.
1. He rejoined the Lakers even when they weren't winning. So that goes against the argument that he'll only go to a team if he expects a win. He agreed to coach the team with just Kobe and Odom. They only got Gasol at the end of the season and Bynam hadn't developed yet. So, even with a team of just Kobe and Odom, Phil Jackson still took the job.
2. The Lakers were in the exact same spot as the Jazz were the last 2 years, in the playoffs. Of course they didn't go on to win those two years like the Jazz did . . . oh yeah, the Jazz didn't win either. So they were pretty much in the same place the Jazz were.
3. Actually Jackson didnt' run when Michael was gone. Jordan retired (the first time) and Jackson stayed with the Bulls for 2 years with just Pippen until Jordan returned. Then after Jordan retired again and Pippen and Kerr left he retired and didn't unretire for a few years.
Lame comments shouldn't be allowed on the comment board.
Yep | 9:07 a.m. May 7, 2008
Yep he's afraid. He is easily the biggest whiner in the entire league.
He's NOT a good coach, he doesn't even really do anything. He ends up
in places that have amazing players, then takes all the glory. How were the
Lakers before they had Gasol and company? Just another team. And now apparently
Jackson is amazing. Right. Keep thinking that while he keeps whining and getting
free rings.
Moto X | 9:12 a.m. May 7, 2008
Phil is just preparing his excuses for when he loses here at ESA. It is
everyones fault but his own.
For somebody who has won as much as he has you think maybe he could man-up and cut down on the whining and the "o wo is me" crap. Its a really old song at this point.
If Phil does not have "the player" on the floor who gets ALL the superstar phantom foul calls then life seems really difficult for Phil. Then again, he seems to act like it still is even if he has the best player. He can't be content with that--he still needs to whine some more and remind the refs that he and "his player" should get all the bogus calls to ensure his tainted victory.
Heaven forbid he actually coached a team on a level playing field with the rest of the league.
He is nothing more than an example of "right place, right time". Shaq, Kobe, and Jordan? Just like vegas, the deck was stacked in somebodys favor.
For somebody who has won as much as he has you think maybe he could man-up and cut down on the whining and the "o wo is me" crap. Its a really old song at this point.
If Phil does not have "the player" on the floor who gets ALL the superstar phantom foul calls then life seems really difficult for Phil. Then again, he seems to act like it still is even if he has the best player. He can't be content with that--he still needs to whine some more and remind the refs that he and "his player" should get all the bogus calls to ensure his tainted victory.
Heaven forbid he actually coached a team on a level playing field with the rest of the league.
He is nothing more than an example of "right place, right time". Shaq, Kobe, and Jordan? Just like vegas, the deck was stacked in somebodys favor.
philly | 9:20 a.m. May 7, 2008
Jackson is so whiny that I almost think he comes from a Ute background. My
favorite time was during the finals ten years ago when he was whining so badly
that it was too loud. He seriously wanted the league to do something to quiet
the fans down. What a class act. He is a good coach that can get some of the
worst attitudes to work together, but he is trash without at least two or three
superstars (notice the at least).
Phil, A "Great" Coach? | 9:25 a.m. May 7, 2008
I don't think so. He's had the benefit of having some of the greatest
players EVER on his teams, that's it, there's nothing more. Can you
imagine if MJ, Shaq, or even Kobe played for the Jazz - Jerry Sloan would have
been COY several times over, and there would be a dozen championship banners
hanging in the rafters at the ESA. Jerry can out-coach Phil any day of the week
and has proven it time & time again. Great players Great Coach.
I'm so sick of Phil Jackson | 10:07 a.m. May 7, 2008
He complains when he wins, he complains when he loses, and he isn't as
great of a coach as everyone thinks. Sure he's won multiple titles, but
look at the players he had on his teams. Michael Jordan, Bryant, &
O'Neal. He couldn't win squat without Jordan and hasn't done
anything for the Lakers since O'Neal left. He's the type of guy who
thinks eveyone else's crap stinks but his own. I guess he's perfect
for the shallow and self serving confines of LA. and it's residents
magnus | 10:13 a.m. May 7, 2008
RE: re: if so
You are absolutely right, YOUR lame comments should not be allowed on the message board.
Phil jumped off of that sinking Bulls ship as soon as the Lakers came to him with bags of money and two of the biggest stars in the game (Kobe and Shaq) and don't pretend like if the offer was right he wouldn't have done it again.
Sloan on the other hand stayed at the helm of his ship, saw it through the stormy years, and he didn't have the best player in the world to build around, he had AK and Matt Harpring, and now his team back on track to the top of the league and the NBA Finals.
THE JAZZ ARE ONE OF THE YOUNGEST TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE.
I just wanted to type that loudly for all of you Apocolypse Now types who think that the Jazz will never get another chance at a championship if they don't win one this year. There are alot of good years of Utah basketball yet to come.
You are absolutely right, YOUR lame comments should not be allowed on the message board.
Phil jumped off of that sinking Bulls ship as soon as the Lakers came to him with bags of money and two of the biggest stars in the game (Kobe and Shaq) and don't pretend like if the offer was right he wouldn't have done it again.
Sloan on the other hand stayed at the helm of his ship, saw it through the stormy years, and he didn't have the best player in the world to build around, he had AK and Matt Harpring, and now his team back on track to the top of the league and the NBA Finals.
THE JAZZ ARE ONE OF THE YOUNGEST TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE.
I just wanted to type that loudly for all of you Apocolypse Now types who think that the Jazz will never get another chance at a championship if they don't win one this year. There are alot of good years of Utah basketball yet to come.
Silly | 10:13 a.m. May 7, 2008
Your comments are ridiculous. Phil Jackson has won nine titles-- that's the
most ever. Ten if you count the one he won as a player. And no one wins a title
without superstars. He has outcoached virtually every coach in the league, and
is a super intelluctual guy.
And Dave, the fans in the ESA are without exception the least informed fans in the NBA. The absolute bottom of the league. It it unbeleivable you would even make that comparison. Phil always does this before a series-- maybe if you knew anything about Phil Jackson you would know that
And Dave, the fans in the ESA are without exception the least informed fans in the NBA. The absolute bottom of the league. It it unbeleivable you would even make that comparison. Phil always does this before a series-- maybe if you knew anything about Phil Jackson you would know that
Jazz fans vs. facts | 10:17 a.m. May 7, 2008
Jazz fans always claim that Kobe's a ballhog but please explain how
he's any different from LeBron, McGrady, Iverson, Anthony, Jordan etc?
This year alone:
Kobe's 10th in the playoffs for assists (6.4 vs. Deron Williams 8.6) and 28th in the league for the regular season with 5.4 asts. #10 - #28 is only a 1.5 ast difference so it's pretty close.
Kobe's 2nd in FGA (20.6 FGA) behind LeBron (21.9). The difference between 1st and 25th is only 6 FGA and Boozer has 16 FGA. Does 5 more shots than Boozer make Kobe a ballhog?
Kobe's 7th in FTA (9 FTA) behind LeBron, Howard, Iverson, Wade, Martin and Maggette. So he's aggressive but no more than any other star in the league.
So. . . he has a good APG average, FGA and FTA are in line with every other all-star. Won the MVP so the experts thought he was pretty valuable to his team. If you disregard the MVP vote then you need to discredit the Malone win.
The only answer Jazz fans can give is "well . . .he's still a ballhog" then you take your marbles and run home.
This year alone:
Kobe's 10th in the playoffs for assists (6.4 vs. Deron Williams 8.6) and 28th in the league for the regular season with 5.4 asts. #10 - #28 is only a 1.5 ast difference so it's pretty close.
Kobe's 2nd in FGA (20.6 FGA) behind LeBron (21.9). The difference between 1st and 25th is only 6 FGA and Boozer has 16 FGA. Does 5 more shots than Boozer make Kobe a ballhog?
Kobe's 7th in FTA (9 FTA) behind LeBron, Howard, Iverson, Wade, Martin and Maggette. So he's aggressive but no more than any other star in the league.
So. . . he has a good APG average, FGA and FTA are in line with every other all-star. Won the MVP so the experts thought he was pretty valuable to his team. If you disregard the MVP vote then you need to discredit the Malone win.
The only answer Jazz fans can give is "well . . .he's still a ballhog" then you take your marbles and run home.
re: Phil A "Great Coach?" | 10:25 a.m. May 7, 2008
Saying that Jackson is only a good coach because he coached great players is a
pretty lame argument. If you want to make that argument you have to make it for
all great coaches. . . starting with Sloan. At least be open about your double
standards.
Sloan (0 rings)
Jazz: Malone, Stockton, Dantley, Williams, Boozer
Riley (4 rings)
Lakers: Magic, Kareem, Worthy
Heat: Wade, Shaq
Sharman (1 ring)+ 33 Game Win Streak
Lakers: Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, Gail Goodrich.
Popavich (4 rings)
Spurs: Duncan, Robinson, Parker
Red Aurbach (9 rings)
Celtics: Bird, Russell, McHale, Johnson, Havilachek, Cousy
Jackson (9 rings)
Bulls: Jordan, Pippen
Lakers: Kobe, Shaq
Why are Jackson's teams any better than the rest of the coaches? Why is it only Jackson's coaching that Jazz fans question? Be consistent if you want your arguments to have any credibility.
And for the record - Jerry hasn't outcoached Phil every day of the week. When has Sloan made things difficult for Jackson in the last almost 10 years? Look at their head to head records before making that claim.
Sloan (0 rings)
Jazz: Malone, Stockton, Dantley, Williams, Boozer
Riley (4 rings)
Lakers: Magic, Kareem, Worthy
Heat: Wade, Shaq
Sharman (1 ring)+ 33 Game Win Streak
Lakers: Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, Gail Goodrich.
Popavich (4 rings)
Spurs: Duncan, Robinson, Parker
Red Aurbach (9 rings)
Celtics: Bird, Russell, McHale, Johnson, Havilachek, Cousy
Jackson (9 rings)
Bulls: Jordan, Pippen
Lakers: Kobe, Shaq
Why are Jackson's teams any better than the rest of the coaches? Why is it only Jackson's coaching that Jazz fans question? Be consistent if you want your arguments to have any credibility.
And for the record - Jerry hasn't outcoached Phil every day of the week. When has Sloan made things difficult for Jackson in the last almost 10 years? Look at their head to head records before making that claim.
Why | 10:29 a.m. May 7, 2008
Why do any Jazz fans care if Kobe is a ballhog? He is not on your team, so why
do you care? Besides if he is on your team, who would you rather shoot the ball?
Why does he need to average a lot of assists (which he does for his position)?
if he is on my team i want him to shoot as many as possible. Come on jazz fans,
dont be stupid.
Jazz arena rocks the zen | 10:33 a.m. May 7, 2008
Chill, Zen master! Breath, exhale, breath, exhale. Feel the positive of the
moment. Are you in that happy place now where refs call everything in your
favor, like a home game, and opposing basketball fans don't exist?
Hillarious!
The coach who knows just what to say to get his team under the proper mind frame is now complaining about how impossible it is to play in front of loud fans, next game. This game is okay: no problem with the refs giving him a home game. That will pump your team up to come to Utah.
Meanwhile, the Jazz take responsibility for themselves in going against the odds in Lakerville; that's why they could steal one tonight. Keep it up Jackson: already making excuses for why you will lose in Utah will only help your team to adopt that losing philosophy. Then the Jazz only need to take one in LA. Hope Kobe doesn't get frazzled and start making excuses too; he might forget this is a team game once the pressure is on. Go ahead Kobe, join your coach, who has already forgotten his team's responsibility in away game's outcomes.
The coach who knows just what to say to get his team under the proper mind frame is now complaining about how impossible it is to play in front of loud fans, next game. This game is okay: no problem with the refs giving him a home game. That will pump your team up to come to Utah.
Meanwhile, the Jazz take responsibility for themselves in going against the odds in Lakerville; that's why they could steal one tonight. Keep it up Jackson: already making excuses for why you will lose in Utah will only help your team to adopt that losing philosophy. Then the Jazz only need to take one in LA. Hope Kobe doesn't get frazzled and start making excuses too; he might forget this is a team game once the pressure is on. Go ahead Kobe, join your coach, who has already forgotten his team's responsibility in away game's outcomes.
re: Magnus | 10:36 a.m. May 7, 2008
hahah - "no your Lame comments shouldnt' be allowed" . . . um. .
. great comeback.
Anyway, the only reason Jerry hasn't left is because he actually likes Utah and wants to retire there. Jackson had no tie to Chicago. Besides, if you judge a coach based on leaving teams then Sloan and Popovich are the only ones who get awards because the rest of the coaches have an average life of about 2-4 years with each team.
As for having great players? If Shaq and Kobe were the winning ticket whether or not Jackson coached then why didn't they win before Jackson got there and why did they lose with Jackson against Detroit? Clearly there were a few other factors . . . see where I'm going with this? If it's hard to follow then start over and read slower.
As for great players? What about Sloan with Malone/Stockton or Riley with Magic/Kareen/Worthy and then Shaq/Wadoe or Aurbach with Bird/McHale/Parish/Cousy or Sharmin with West/Goodrich/Chamberlain or Popovich with Duncan/Robinson?
"Great Coaches" are great because they win and the coaches win with great players. It's not like Sloan's out there with the JV team.
Anyway, the only reason Jerry hasn't left is because he actually likes Utah and wants to retire there. Jackson had no tie to Chicago. Besides, if you judge a coach based on leaving teams then Sloan and Popovich are the only ones who get awards because the rest of the coaches have an average life of about 2-4 years with each team.
As for having great players? If Shaq and Kobe were the winning ticket whether or not Jackson coached then why didn't they win before Jackson got there and why did they lose with Jackson against Detroit? Clearly there were a few other factors . . . see where I'm going with this? If it's hard to follow then start over and read slower.
As for great players? What about Sloan with Malone/Stockton or Riley with Magic/Kareen/Worthy and then Shaq/Wadoe or Aurbach with Bird/McHale/Parish/Cousy or Sharmin with West/Goodrich/Chamberlain or Popovich with Duncan/Robinson?
"Great Coaches" are great because they win and the coaches win with great players. It's not like Sloan's out there with the JV team.
Jackson isn't coach of the year | 11:11 a.m. May 7, 2008
Jordan was the best basketball player ever. Shaq dominated in his prime without
facing real competition at the center position.
It's pretty safe to say that Jordan or Shaq would have won championship rings with or without Jackson's services. However, I don't assume Jackson would win his rings without those players during those years. So yeah, rings are a sign of good coaching, good organizations, and good players (Everyone who gets to wear a ring is part of it, so that does kind of diminish the coaching role a little).
I'll admit Jackson's a pretty good coach, but look no further than this year to find that a better coach was named coach of the year, Byron Scott. Why? Because he has done so much more with less. No one expected them to be as good. It is what the Jazz did last year. And you could argue that the Lakers are better than expected this year, but please, how long has Kobe acted like he's the best player on the planet? Isn't it about time he played like an MVP one year? Maybe Jackson should get all the credit for Kobe finally playing with his teammates. About time!
It's pretty safe to say that Jordan or Shaq would have won championship rings with or without Jackson's services. However, I don't assume Jackson would win his rings without those players during those years. So yeah, rings are a sign of good coaching, good organizations, and good players (Everyone who gets to wear a ring is part of it, so that does kind of diminish the coaching role a little).
I'll admit Jackson's a pretty good coach, but look no further than this year to find that a better coach was named coach of the year, Byron Scott. Why? Because he has done so much more with less. No one expected them to be as good. It is what the Jazz did last year. And you could argue that the Lakers are better than expected this year, but please, how long has Kobe acted like he's the best player on the planet? Isn't it about time he played like an MVP one year? Maybe Jackson should get all the credit for Kobe finally playing with his teammates. About time!
Sloan | 11:14 a.m. May 7, 2008
Sloan won 42 games in the 2003-04 season when he didn't have Boozer,
Williams, Stockton, Malone, Hornacek, Okur, etc. The best player on that team
was Andrei Kirilenko--hardly a superstar. The second best player on that team
was Matt Harpring who got hurt and missed most of the season. That team was
predicted by experts to win only eight or nine games ALL YEAR because they were
so talent depraved. Four years later, now that we know that no one on that team
was a legitimate star, and AK-47 was a legitimate NBA starter, Sloan's
accomplishment is even more stunning!
I doubt the ZenMaster wins 20 games with that same group.
I doubt the ZenMaster wins 20 games with that same group.
Jackson's Tactics | 11:22 a.m. May 7, 2008
It's pretty funny that so many fans don't understand that half of
coaching in the NBA is mental tactics - not on the court but off it. The worlds
greatest athletes don't need a ton of Xs and Os. And Phil is great with
mental tactics and games - many of you have taken the bait here on this board.
He whines cause he wants to cause distractions and reactions - he Zenned many of
you to a tee!
RE: re: Great Coach? et al | 11:27 a.m. May 7, 2008
Are you on drugs? Sloan (Head Coach in 1988) never even coached Dantley (traded
to Detroit in 1986), and Williams/Boozer hasn't even played out yet (but I
would suspect there may be one, or more, rings in it if Jerry stays). The only
superstars that Sloan ever coached were Stocktom/Malone, and if it weren't
for MJ (Pippen doesn't even count), Sloan would have two rings. Your other
matchups just confirm my point, great players (still) great coach.
magnus | 11:35 a.m. May 7, 2008
RE: re: magnus
Dude, you toatally butchered that line, it's all in the delivery.
Agreed, most of the arguments as to why Jackson is an average coach are lame. PJ is a great coach, and perfect for L.A. I mean seriously, is there a better city in the entire world for Jackson than L.A.? I don't think there is.
As far as Sloan goes, you're right his tenure is a coaching anomoly. I think if he sticks around 5 more years he gets his Ring and retires as one of the top 10 coaches of all time. Litteraly the only thing he hasn't done is win a championship. Does that mean he isn't a great coach, not by a long shot. Does it diminish his legacy, yes it does.
Anyways back to the subject,
TONIGHT THE JAZZ WILL BEAT THE LAKERS!
JAZZ IN 6!
Dude, you toatally butchered that line, it's all in the delivery.
Agreed, most of the arguments as to why Jackson is an average coach are lame. PJ is a great coach, and perfect for L.A. I mean seriously, is there a better city in the entire world for Jackson than L.A.? I don't think there is.
As far as Sloan goes, you're right his tenure is a coaching anomoly. I think if he sticks around 5 more years he gets his Ring and retires as one of the top 10 coaches of all time. Litteraly the only thing he hasn't done is win a championship. Does that mean he isn't a great coach, not by a long shot. Does it diminish his legacy, yes it does.
Anyways back to the subject,
TONIGHT THE JAZZ WILL BEAT THE LAKERS!
JAZZ IN 6!
Anonymous | 11:38 a.m. May 7, 2008
I will never forgive the Chicago Bulls for not trading for Kobe when they had
the chance. All they had to do was send Luol Deng to LA and the deal was done.
That would have doomed the Lakers to years and years of mediocrity, and I would
have loved every second of it. But that didn't happen and Jerry West turned
Memphis into the Lakers' farm team, so here we are.
OKAY Deseret news | 11:41 a.m. May 7, 2008
That's enough! you are starting to get a little carried away. MMMMM really
scared about playing in utard. Well hope the fans boo Kobe then He could drop 40
on the jazz and win. Like the last time they played.
re: Jackson isn't coach . . . | 11:49 a.m. May 7, 2008
First let me just say that no one is saying Sloan isn't a great coach.
We're all just pointing out the arguments against Jackson defensive.
It's almost as if somehow in Jazz fans' minds there's only room
in the sandbox for one coach and if Jackson's good it must diminish Sloan.
. . weird.
Besides, no one is claiming Jackson is COY. Just that he's been a great coach over the years. COY usually goes to a coach who has a record breaking season or a coach that turns a team around so dramatically or a coach who succeeds without any obvious superstars. So, does Jackson fit any of these this year? No one thinks that.
As for Scott - no problem here, the guys a great coach (must be his Laker background). But, how can fans say Jackson's only good because he has Kobe and not realize that Scott is benefitting from the play of Chris Paul - who turned into a legimate overnight superstar? Paul, West, Peja aren't a lot different than Kobe, Gasol, Odom.
Sloan is a great coach . . . but jazz fans have to accept that Jackson's championships aren't just luck.
Besides, no one is claiming Jackson is COY. Just that he's been a great coach over the years. COY usually goes to a coach who has a record breaking season or a coach that turns a team around so dramatically or a coach who succeeds without any obvious superstars. So, does Jackson fit any of these this year? No one thinks that.
As for Scott - no problem here, the guys a great coach (must be his Laker background). But, how can fans say Jackson's only good because he has Kobe and not realize that Scott is benefitting from the play of Chris Paul - who turned into a legimate overnight superstar? Paul, West, Peja aren't a lot different than Kobe, Gasol, Odom.
Sloan is a great coach . . . but jazz fans have to accept that Jackson's championships aren't just luck.
utard? | 12:06 p.m. May 7, 2008
Isn't that a slam against the utes, because that is their nickname, after
all?! I love it!
The ESA is a tough place for opponents, but I think the league would respect it more if the fans weren't so nasty.
The ESA is a tough place for opponents, but I think the league would respect it more if the fans weren't so nasty.
Use your brain | 12:08 p.m. May 7, 2008
I am saying this as a DIEHARD Jazz fan, and overall NBA fan. Phil Jackson is a
great coach whether Utah wants to admit it or not. You can have talent all you
want and that doesn't equal winning. i.e. Dallas, Phoenix, DENVER. The guy
can coach. To argue that is not only ignorant, but just silly. Jackson has won 9
rings, yes. That's not JUST because he has superstars. People like Phil
Jackson and Jerry Sloan just aren't "fortunate". They are amazing
coaches and win (titles or just games, for now) because they know how to create
superstars and know how to make the best out of what they have. Half the players
on both the Jazz and Lakers are good because the coaching staff plays to their
strengths. You can hate on Jackson, because its easy, and we're Utah fans,
but the guy is a great coach. That said, I hope the Jazz completely annihilate
them tonight, and for the next however many games. Go JAZZ!!!!!!
Larry Brown | 12:11 p.m. May 7, 2008
If Jackson is such a great coach lets see hime take over a terrible team with no
superstars, such as the Bobcats or the Grizzles then if he builds that team into
a dynasty then I will say that he is a great coach. All I see with Jackson is
that he took over teams with superstars on them and then wins championships. By
the way how many last second shots did Jackson hit in finals? Oh thats right it
was MJ hitting those game winning shots! Without Jordan Phill is nothing more
than an average coach!! Jackson would never coach a struggling team he always
has to go where the Talent is.
To the referees | 12:23 p.m. May 7, 2008
To any referee who happens to be reading this; please don't buy in to Mr.
Jackson's political grand-standing. Call them like you see them in games 3
and 4. Yes the ESA is a tough place to play, but don't let Jackson's
comments influence your calls. He is just trying to use psycology to get calls
in his favor when they meet in Salt Lake.
re: Larry Brown | 12:44 p.m. May 7, 2008
This almost doesn't deserve a post - it's just too easy. Jordan was
amazing but Jackson definitely put the Bulls in position to win with the
Triangle offense team concept and his ability to get more out of his players.
In fact, it's recorded fact that Jordan actually fought Jackson on implementing the Triangle offense because it required him to trust the play of the high and low post centers which he didn't want to do. It took almost the first year of coaching to convince Jordan to play within the system. Once he did - his scoring went down but his assists and team wins increased.
TimeLine
1984 - Jordan Drafted by Bulls
1984 - Doug Collins was the Bulls Coach
1989/90 - Phil Jackson took over as Head Coach and the Bulls pushed the Pistons to gm 7 before losing in the EC finals.
1990/91 - Bulls won their first championship.
If Jordan is the only reason that the Bulls won then why couldn't Doug Collins win with Jordan for 5 years - Could it be that Phil Jackson had something to do with it?
Seriously - use facts next time so you don't make uninformed comments.
In fact, it's recorded fact that Jordan actually fought Jackson on implementing the Triangle offense because it required him to trust the play of the high and low post centers which he didn't want to do. It took almost the first year of coaching to convince Jordan to play within the system. Once he did - his scoring went down but his assists and team wins increased.
TimeLine
1984 - Jordan Drafted by Bulls
1984 - Doug Collins was the Bulls Coach
1989/90 - Phil Jackson took over as Head Coach and the Bulls pushed the Pistons to gm 7 before losing in the EC finals.
1990/91 - Bulls won their first championship.
If Jordan is the only reason that the Bulls won then why couldn't Doug Collins win with Jordan for 5 years - Could it be that Phil Jackson had something to do with it?
Seriously - use facts next time so you don't make uninformed comments.
re: to the referees | 12:53 p.m. May 7, 2008
After the game, Sloan spoke to reporters in the post game conference and said
that his team committed too many fouls in GM 1 because they were too slow in
their rotations. he said they had about 5 fouls by pulling the Lakers Jerseys to
make up for lazy defense.
Then Sloan had the Jazz committed 5 fouls to stop the clock at the end of the game leading to FTs instead of shots. So, if you take the 33 fouls the Jazz were called for and take the 10 away that were "jersey pulling" and game clock management you have 23 fouls. One below the season leading average of 24 FPG.
So, which is it? Is it that the refs didn't "call them like they see them" cheating the Jazz out of a win or is Sloan correct that his team just played poor defense and committed too many lazy fouls?
I mean - it probably isn't both right? Either you're right or Sloan is right. Time to start realizing that the Jazz just were out hustled on defense. Well - must admit they def. hustled on the boards but they were slow on defense.
Then Sloan had the Jazz committed 5 fouls to stop the clock at the end of the game leading to FTs instead of shots. So, if you take the 33 fouls the Jazz were called for and take the 10 away that were "jersey pulling" and game clock management you have 23 fouls. One below the season leading average of 24 FPG.
So, which is it? Is it that the refs didn't "call them like they see them" cheating the Jazz out of a win or is Sloan correct that his team just played poor defense and committed too many lazy fouls?
I mean - it probably isn't both right? Either you're right or Sloan is right. Time to start realizing that the Jazz just were out hustled on defense. Well - must admit they def. hustled on the boards but they were slow on defense.
Re;Jackson isn't coach of the ye | 1:04 p.m. May 7, 2008
I agree it was Byron Scott ,help me out here what team did he play for, oh ya
that's right the LA LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sloan Getting a Pass? | 1:05 p.m. May 7, 2008
I love reading when "informed" fans talk about how PJ only wins with
superior talent.
EVER wonder WHY Utah hasn't won a title?
Sloan gets a pass because year after year, your fans never call him out when he repeatedly underachieves with his teams. Malone is arguably the greatest power-forward of all time playing with one of the greatest guards of his era in Stocton. Still no rings! Obviously, your expectations are low, and he's happy by just staying competetive every year.
There is NOTHING harder to do than winning when EVERYBODY expects you to win it all. You have NOWHERE to go but down. You have nothing to gain, and EVERYTHING to lose if you fall short of a title. You play every single night with a bulls-eye on your jersey. You get every team's best shot.
Playing against the title favorite IS their play-offs every night.
If any of PJ's Jordan/Shaq/Kobe teams don't win the championship, it's a failure. Last year the Jazz get a GIFT then skated to the conference finals when Golden State pulls the biggest upset over the Mavs. Still you fail. Sloan doesn't deliver.
Stop hating on Phil for closing the deal nine times!
EVER wonder WHY Utah hasn't won a title?
Sloan gets a pass because year after year, your fans never call him out when he repeatedly underachieves with his teams. Malone is arguably the greatest power-forward of all time playing with one of the greatest guards of his era in Stocton. Still no rings! Obviously, your expectations are low, and he's happy by just staying competetive every year.
There is NOTHING harder to do than winning when EVERYBODY expects you to win it all. You have NOWHERE to go but down. You have nothing to gain, and EVERYTHING to lose if you fall short of a title. You play every single night with a bulls-eye on your jersey. You get every team's best shot.
Playing against the title favorite IS their play-offs every night.
If any of PJ's Jordan/Shaq/Kobe teams don't win the championship, it's a failure. Last year the Jazz get a GIFT then skated to the conference finals when Golden State pulls the biggest upset over the Mavs. Still you fail. Sloan doesn't deliver.
Stop hating on Phil for closing the deal nine times!
Jazz fans ????? | 1:09 p.m. May 7, 2008
You call the Lakers Hollywood scum, they live in a cess pool of a city, their
liberals with no morales, etc. then how in the world do they win so much. Must
be the smog!!!!!!!!!.
Rebecca | 1:23 p.m. May 7, 2008
Lakers rule and I hope that Luke plays and when he is in there, he does a majic
trick. That trick is that he does numbers on the court.
Heber-ite | 1:31 p.m. May 7, 2008
they havent played in Utah yet and Philly boy is already complaining about the
officiating. ha ha I cant wait until the Jazz pull this series out.
Anonymous | 1:33 p.m. May 7, 2008
Hey Laker fans dont you have a plastic surgery appointment to go to!!! Go blog
on your own liberal newspaper!!!
suit me up | 1:32 p.m. May 7, 2008
The Lakers don't have a chance with me in the lineup.
Love, Mark Eaton
Love, Mark Eaton
Uhhh | 1:43 p.m. May 7, 2008
Jackson didn't create the triangle offense...his assistant came up with it
and implemented it. Jackson was brilliant for LETTING him.
Jackson is a great MANAGER. He is a great head coach since that is what they mostly do on the professional level (Manage). The individual skills are left to the assistants to teach.
Jackson is a great MANAGER. He is a great head coach since that is what they mostly do on the professional level (Manage). The individual skills are left to the assistants to teach.
Mark Eaton??? | 1:44 p.m. May 7, 2008
Absolutely hilarious! One of the funniest comments I've ever seen.. I
almost dropped my lap top laughing!
Good one!
Good one!
Rich | 1:48 p.m. May 7, 2008
Jackson is smart; he knows he can perhaps take away some of the Jazz teams
advantage in SLC by criticizing referees obliquely. This time he was a little
early -- a pre-emptive strive if you will. Let's hope it was too early and
that the referees decide to take away some of L.A.'s home court advantage
tonight. After all, the refs tend to give most of the close calls to the Lakers
in L.A. and tend to let the Lakers get away with more pushing and shoving and
slapping and hitting and bumping in the Forum. If the refs even out things in
tonight's game, that would give Utah an excellent chance to steal one in
L.A., bringing the home court advantage back to Utah. Most people in the NBA
are not anxious to part with $50,000, and most broadcasters don't want to
lose their NBA broadcast rights, so you seldom hear a commentator, coach,
assistant coach or player say exactly why the home teach wins so much. It has
very little to do with being able to sleep in your own bed and eat your
wife's or mother's home cooking. No, it has to do with the refs.
magnus | 1:52 p.m. May 7, 2008
I think we are getting off topic here, we are supposed to be talking about how
the Jazz are going to take the Lakers to the woodshed tonight and bring the
series back to Utah all tied up.
Kobe has never won a championship without Shaq in his litterally-unstoppable-even-when-you-are-trying-to-foul-him prime, and this isn't going to be the year he steps out of the shadow of the Big Diesel.
This Laker team is weak in the paint and lacks depth, the Jazz are going to take it to them and make them feel small.
Boozer goes for 25/10, Williams 20/10 and ...
Jazz win by 3 tonight
Jazz in 6.
Kobe has never won a championship without Shaq in his litterally-unstoppable-even-when-you-are-trying-to-foul-him prime, and this isn't going to be the year he steps out of the shadow of the Big Diesel.
This Laker team is weak in the paint and lacks depth, the Jazz are going to take it to them and make them feel small.
Boozer goes for 25/10, Williams 20/10 and ...
Jazz win by 3 tonight
Jazz in 6.
Matt | 1:57 p.m. May 7, 2008
You will never hear more excuses from a head coach in any league anywhere in the
world than you will hear from Phil "Gravytrain" Jackson. Any game he
has ever lost as a head coach was either the refs fault, the noise, the floor,
the arena, the bad locker rooms, the mascot "gassing" him before the
game, the PA being too loud, etc...however it's NEVER been because the
other team played better. All these off the floor "mind games" that
he is so famous for is all smoke and mirrors. How about just suit up your team
versus the other team and the best team wins? What about that Phil? He
purposly talks about how games are called and how he WANTS games called because
he knows that he can minipulate the league and the refs through the press. This
guy is the biggest sham of a coach in the history of organized sports. He and
"Dopey" are reasons why the NBA has become unwatchable.
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