These people who choose, to literaly destroy the life of an innocent victim,
(child or adult). Don't pay even close enough to what they should. Do the
research of the lifetime effects it has on these victims. They suffer from
extreme deppresion, that often ends in suicide. They become alcoholics and drug
abussers and in turn they also carry on the great pedophile tradition
themselves. How is this ever going to stop unless we display to the world these
life destroying people who cannot control their sick and perverted cravings. I
have seven children and I personaly will do whatever I have to to protect
them.keep this registry going and stay on top of it.This world isn't getting any
better so I excpect alot more names to be added soon,
I have a neighbor on the registry. He was 21, dating a 17 year old. They had
relations, the 17 year old girls parents learned of this, turned him in and now
he is on the registry for life.
I agree that we keep the registry but
in a case like his, two young adults making dumb decisions - he needs to be
treated differently than a 55 year old preying on 9 year olds. In Utah you are
old enough to marry at 17.
A one size fits all approach is rarely the
solution. And for our neighborhood it is not the best solution. When I first
learned of his being on the registry I immediately thought of the safety of our
neighbors little girls (under age 10). I demanded action. When I learned of the
details from my LDS Bishop I again demanded action. This time for the State to
be more thoughtful in how it handles cases like this.
Maybe on the
registry it is noted that he was 21 dating a 17 year old. And if he has no
further brushes with the law for 10-20 years he comes off.
Maybe we should expand the registry to include any person that is statistically
more likely to commit sex crimes. Stereotypicallly speaking, that might include
church and youth group leaders, teachers, and others that work with kids. It's
all to protect the kids, right?
Fortunately, in Utah I don't think young men who have minor girlfriends are
placed on the list if there was less than a ten year age difference. That is not
the case in most states. 19 year olds are being charged with rape and sent to
prison and made to register for the rest of their lives because they had a minor
girlfriend. This is sad and a waste of resources.
What a bunch of rubbish! This opinion sounds like is was written on the fly -
like, oops! we forgot to put something in that space.
As
justification for keeping the registry, DN offers ONE example - the rape of a
child. That person should be justly punished, no doubt. But is a registry needed
to do that? What about the guy caught peeing on the roadside - should he really
be on a list for life?
Then you state that arguments over the years
have been made that sex-offenders have been singled out -- why not a registry
for other criminals that are, perhaps, deemed even more dangerous? Yes, this is
correct, the question has been asked, but you don't even attempt a reply. It's a
valid question; answer it if you want to support your argument.
Finally, you promote the big lie that we are safer for the registry, calling
the registry a tool that helps parents. In your archives can you find even one
story as evidence that this is true? Now go back to your archives and look for
stories as evidence that this "tool" is really harmful - and you will find
plenty.
The opening sentence says it all. This only thing a list can accomplish is to
stigmatize a group of people. If you want them shamed for life, good for you.
Mission acccomplished.
But never pretend that this list in any way
PROTECTS the public. It does not and never will.
At what point do we as parents have to suck it up and be a responsible adult? I
see little kids playing unattended all the time. At the skate park in Herriman
I see mothers drop off their teenage daughters and friends and these girls have
less clothes on the the working girls on west 2nd south.
There are at
least 3 sex offenders in the area on the registery. What good does it do when
the parents take no responsibility to watch their kids. We can not expect just
because an individual is on the registry that we can let our kids run nilly
willy all over the place unattended.
I believe that the sex offender
registry is just a false sense of security. Many are on there for dumb reasons
and they shouldn't be there.
So according to the statistics in the article, we're stigmatizing and
humiliating 19 people are aren't going to re-offend just to make sure we
stigmatize, humiliate and publicize the one who will.
So why do I get
the feeling Nathaniel Hawthorne would simply have Hester Pryne's name put on the
registry if he were to write the Scarlet Letter today?
The list only protects children in so far as you keep them away from those on
the list... but really, it doesn't prevent future crimes. Those on the list
can still commit them, the list doesn't stop them.
And such lists
should never be for a lifetime as they are in many states, they should have a
limit like 10 years (as it does here in Utah). A person should have a point at
which their debt to society ends after their crime, it shouldn't be a perpetual
ongoing thing if you've already completed your sentence.
Parents, if
I were you I'd be much more worried about the people who AREN'T on the list than
those who are... the vast majority (almost all) of sex crimes commited against
children are done by a loved one or someone they know, not the stranger down the
street who's a registered offender.
You're mistaken about the legal/allowed age gap, it's not 10 years... it's not
legal for a 16 or 17 year-old to have sexual relations with someone who is 26 or
27. If I'm not mistaken, someone under 18 can only have sex with someone within
2 years of their age (and I think that other person must be under 18 themselves,
so that excludes a 19 year-old).
Do I agree with these laws? No, not
really. I'm with BBKing who posted above, that 21 y/o they know doesn't sound
like a threat to me either... to me it sounds like those two were in a
consenting relationship.
I do agree with you that in many cases this
is a waste of our resources and the legal system's time. If someone is truly
dangerous and a threat, who actually NEED monitoring, then why are they out in
public to begin with? Other than those type, there are many people on these
lists who don't need to be.
The sex offender list does many things. 1. it makes a person pay twice for his
crime. Once by they state, with it's rules, proceedures, and penalties and then
again by the community with their predjuice, ignorance, and hate without
restraint. 2. It takes away a persons rights to due process (After they have
paid for the crime) because they are left to the mercy of the public. And 3.
It's a return to the days of Salem Witch Trails when accusations could get you
prosecuted in a situation of he said she said and little way for the innocent to
defend themselves because of the hype people give to this type of offence.
I think sexual abuse, rape, etc. is a terrible thing and criminals
should pay for their crime but they shouldn't have to pay twice. Murder is much
worse as a crime and murders don't have to pay twice. There are also other
crimes that leave permant scars and those offenders don't have to pay twice
either. It's time for people to think rationally and provide money for programs
to help victoms and offenders instead of just listing those to blame.
I believe that the registry serves its purpose, but that it should be very
limited in its scope...for instance, this whole deal with the kids sharing
pictures of themselves on their cell phones...while this is stupid, and could
lead to unintended consequences, is it really worth branding a 14 year old for
life as a sex offender (especially since these pictures were shared with other
"kids" and under Utah law, you cannot be both the victim and the
perpetrator...)? I think that the better way is to see if a person
rehabilitates, but if they are done with the "debt to society" then they should
be "done"...not just "mostly done" and pay for their crime for the rest of their
life...unless you can make a successful argument for making sex crimes "life
imprisonment" crimes... After all, if a murderer is let out, we don't have
a "murderer registry" so we can track all murderers...we don't have a "drug
user" registry for all the drug users, we don't have a "burglary or robbery"
registry... These other crimes have destroyed lives, they have made
victims, they have impacted society is terrible ways...really not much different
than sex offenders.
Convicted sex offenders face a life of stigma in Utah...unless they're FLDS.
Then they are defended as victims of persecution. I've never witnessed such an
abrupt hypocrisy in a place this conservative law - n - order wholesome hang 'em
high before.
These people who choose, to literaly destroy the life of an innocent victim, (child or adult). Don't pay even close enough to what they should. Do the research of the lifetime effects it has on these victims. They suffer from extreme deppresion, that often ends in suicide. They become alcoholics and drug abussers and in turn they also carry on the great pedophile tradition themselves. How is this ever going to stop unless we display to the world these life destroying people who cannot control their sick and perverted cravings. I have seven children and I personaly will do whatever I have to to protect them.keep this registry going and stay on top of it.This world isn't getting any better so I excpect alot more names to be added soon,
I have a neighbor on the registry. He was 21, dating a 17 year old. They had relations, the 17 year old girls parents learned of this, turned him in and now he is on the registry for life.
I agree that we keep the registry but in a case like his, two young adults making dumb decisions - he needs to be treated differently than a 55 year old preying on 9 year olds. In Utah you are old enough to marry at 17.
A one size fits all approach is rarely the solution. And for our neighborhood it is not the best solution. When I first learned of his being on the registry I immediately thought of the safety of our neighbors little girls (under age 10). I demanded action. When I learned of the details from my LDS Bishop I again demanded action. This time for the State to be more thoughtful in how it handles cases like this.
Maybe on the registry it is noted that he was 21 dating a 17 year old. And if he has no further brushes with the law for 10-20 years he comes off.
He is not a threat.
Maybe we should expand the registry to include any person that is statistically more likely to commit sex crimes. Stereotypicallly speaking, that might include church and youth group leaders, teachers, and others that work with kids. It's all to protect the kids, right?
Fortunately, in Utah I don't think young men who have minor girlfriends are placed on the list if there was less than a ten year age difference. That is not the case in most states. 19 year olds are being charged with rape and sent to prison and made to register for the rest of their lives because they had a minor girlfriend. This is sad and a waste of resources.
What a bunch of rubbish! This opinion sounds like is was written on the fly - like, oops! we forgot to put something in that space.
As justification for keeping the registry, DN offers ONE example - the rape of a child. That person should be justly punished, no doubt. But is a registry needed to do that? What about the guy caught peeing on the roadside - should he really be on a list for life?
Then you state that arguments over the years have been made that sex-offenders have been singled out -- why not a registry for other criminals that are, perhaps, deemed even more dangerous? Yes, this is correct, the question has been asked, but you don't even attempt a reply. It's a valid question; answer it if you want to support your argument.
Finally, you promote the big lie that we are safer for the registry, calling the registry a tool that helps parents. In your archives can you find even one story as evidence that this is true? Now go back to your archives and look for stories as evidence that this "tool" is really harmful - and you will find plenty.
The opening sentence says it all. This only thing a list can accomplish is to stigmatize a group of people. If you want them shamed for life, good for you. Mission acccomplished.
But never pretend that this list in any way PROTECTS the public. It does not and never will.
At what point do we as parents have to suck it up and be a responsible adult? I see little kids playing unattended all the time. At the skate park in Herriman I see mothers drop off their teenage daughters and friends and these girls have less clothes on the the working girls on west 2nd south.
There are at least 3 sex offenders in the area on the registery. What good does it do when the parents take no responsibility to watch their kids. We can not expect just because an individual is on the registry that we can let our kids run nilly willy all over the place unattended.
I believe that the sex offender registry is just a false sense of security. Many are on there for dumb reasons and they shouldn't be there.
So according to the statistics in the article, we're stigmatizing and humiliating 19 people are aren't going to re-offend just to make sure we stigmatize, humiliate and publicize the one who will.
So why do I get the feeling Nathaniel Hawthorne would simply have Hester Pryne's name put on the registry if he were to write the Scarlet Letter today?
The list only protects children in so far as you keep them away from those on the list... but really, it doesn't prevent future crimes. Those on the list can still commit them, the list doesn't stop them.
And such lists should never be for a lifetime as they are in many states, they should have a limit like 10 years (as it does here in Utah). A person should have a point at which their debt to society ends after their crime, it shouldn't be a perpetual ongoing thing if you've already completed your sentence.
Parents, if I were you I'd be much more worried about the people who AREN'T on the list than those who are... the vast majority (almost all) of sex crimes commited against children are done by a loved one or someone they know, not the stranger down the street who's a registered offender.
You're mistaken about the legal/allowed age gap, it's not 10 years... it's not legal for a 16 or 17 year-old to have sexual relations with someone who is 26 or 27. If I'm not mistaken, someone under 18 can only have sex with someone within 2 years of their age (and I think that other person must be under 18 themselves, so that excludes a 19 year-old).
Do I agree with these laws? No, not really. I'm with BBKing who posted above, that 21 y/o they know doesn't sound like a threat to me either... to me it sounds like those two were in a consenting relationship.
I do agree with you that in many cases this is a waste of our resources and the legal system's time. If someone is truly dangerous and a threat, who actually NEED monitoring, then why are they out in public to begin with? Other than those type, there are many people on these lists who don't need to be.
There needs to be an appeals process so that youthful offenders who have had consentual sex or picture swapping etc do not get labeled for life.
We need to through out the authorities who act in our behalf and have no common sense.
The sex offender list does many things. 1. it makes a person pay twice for his crime. Once by they state, with it's rules, proceedures, and penalties and then again by the community with their predjuice, ignorance, and hate without restraint. 2. It takes away a persons rights to due process (After they have paid for the crime) because they are left to the mercy of the public. And 3. It's a return to the days of Salem Witch Trails when accusations could get you prosecuted in a situation of he said she said and little way for the innocent to defend themselves because of the hype people give to this type of offence.
I think sexual abuse, rape, etc. is a terrible thing and criminals should pay for their crime but they shouldn't have to pay twice. Murder is much worse as a crime and murders don't have to pay twice. There are also other crimes that leave permant scars and those offenders don't have to pay twice either. It's time for people to think rationally and provide money for programs to help victoms and offenders instead of just listing those to blame.
I believe that the registry serves its purpose, but that it should be very limited in its scope...for instance, this whole deal with the kids sharing pictures of themselves on their cell phones...while this is stupid, and could lead to unintended consequences, is it really worth branding a 14 year old for life as a sex offender (especially since these pictures were shared with other "kids" and under Utah law, you cannot be both the victim and the perpetrator...)?
I think that the better way is to see if a person rehabilitates, but if they are done with the "debt to society" then they should be "done"...not just "mostly done" and pay for their crime for the rest of their life...unless you can make a successful argument for making sex crimes "life imprisonment" crimes...
After all, if a murderer is let out, we don't have a "murderer registry" so we can track all murderers...we don't have a "drug user" registry for all the drug users, we don't have a "burglary or robbery" registry...
These other crimes have destroyed lives, they have made victims, they have impacted society is terrible ways...really not much different than sex offenders.
Convicted sex offenders face a life of stigma in Utah...unless they're FLDS. Then they are defended as victims of persecution. I've never witnessed such an abrupt hypocrisy in a place this conservative law - n - order wholesome hang 'em high before.
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