Sorry to be a conspirist, but this seems a little too fishy. Looks like some
back door deals gone wrong and someone's not getting the payoff. Or even more
likely- politicians are making a public display so they don't lose face, this
slips under the radar and come re-election time they get generous donations.
This type of deal is rarely a moral issue, its about who gets their cut of the
I did not miss the point, but you did. Business asks for the handouts (just
like every other welfare recipients in the nation). It was the reckless
government delivering it. Business only asks because stupid politicians fall
all over themselves to take taxpayer money to give to them. Politicians love
the control they get from redistributing other people's money.Stop
celebrating reckless, irresponsible government that take freedom. And stop
blaming business people for the sins of the politicians.
Energy Solutions should of never been allowed to do business here in the first
place. Utah was the only state to accept them without a fight. Not even third
world countries want anything to do with them.
"Actually these sports facilities are perfect monuments of Bad Government. The
capitalists couldn't force us to fund these. Only government officials could
force our participation."The real point is being totally missed!Who benefits from these sports facilities? It's not the government that
caves into doing them. It's not the public at large who funds them with no real
benefit to them. It's not even the surrounding communities and businesses
because they eventually blight the value of surrounding properties (due to noise
and traffic pollution). Why it's the scions of capitalism... the team owners and
sports leagues... So my point stands... since the capitalists cant
get the 'free market' to do their bidding (because the deals are poor investment
for communities and the public coffers) they strong arm our law makers and
governors to use the executive perogative of bonding and eminent domain to force
these capitalistic pigs private agendas on the public and when the opportunity
arrises sell the teams and walk away rich while leaving the public holding the
bag.Bush did it with the Rangers baseball club, Steinbrenner has
milked New York state and the federal government for Yankee subsides that would
make a Russian communist blush.
They gotta have one to do business in Utah.Yank it.Be
done with them.
Socialism, communism, and fascism all lead to the same thing -- tyranny.It's time we recognize that the environmental and social do-gooders of
the left and the religious elitists of the right are cut from the same cloth.
Give them a little power and they use it to subjugate us. (Left-wing,
right-wing, it doesn't matter.)Ralph Nader, James Dobson, Hillary
Clinton, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, George Bush, John McCain are
just different shades of the same power-hungry culture that the founding father
Interesting you bring up sports facilities. Huntsman was the biggest advocate
of the Real stadium, pushing Curtis and strong arming the rest of the
legislature. Huntsman wouldn't let it die. He couldn't help but send tax
dollars to help his friend Checketts.
"these sports facilities are perfect monuments of Coliseums of Bad
Capitalism"Actually these sports facilities are perfect monuments of
Bad Government. The capitalists couldn't force us to fund these. Only
government officials could force our participation.
Don't bring Larry miller into this! I'd take millions of bucks from Energy
Solutions to name my home the "Hazmat Half-life House" if they wanted to. Bring on the waste! Its not like they're dumping it, they are
processing it and cleaning it and keeping it contained. Let them do it and pump
more money into our economy. I will issue a standing acceptance to any monetary
offer (above 10 grand) made from Energy Solutions for the naming rights of my
Utah becoming a NAZI camp.
Whoever mentioned democracy being equivalent to mob rule is absolutely correct.
My favorite line from the movie the Patriot was along these lines: "why would I
give up 1 tyrant 3,000 miles away for 3,000 tyrants 1 mile away."Our
founding fathers were very fearful of democracies. Their purpose was to create
a limited government that placed checks on power and protected freedom and
liberty.Just because the majority say something doesn't make it
right or true.
You could always buy their stock and elect new directors to the board. This
would be an appropriate way to change the business activities of a company.You could promote the use of coal for energy production, rather than
environmentally friendly nuclear power.You could stop going to the
Jazz games at ES Arena, sending Larry Miller, directly, and ES, indirectly, a
message that you don't agree with their business practices.Or, the
popular default, you could encourage your governor and his administration as
well as the legislature to be 2-bit thugs and do your dirty work to restrict the
freedom of other individuals who are doing you no harm.
I'm not talking of mob-rule based Democracy, and didn't even imply so. I tied
my view of Democracy into RULE OF LAW according to the Constitution of the
United States!A whole class of individuals, who represent less than
1% of the population, with huge stock holdings in corporations, now manipulate
and plunder the other 99% of the population through an insidious process we can
call reverse-Socialism... where the real money and wealth flow from the 99% to
the 1%, mostly taken from tax-free profits, tax funds, tax exemptions, etc.,
that impact the real wealth and well-being of middle class Americans.
Example:Not a single big league sports arena and team turns a real
profit in terms of cash flow, but counts its profits and market values in terms
of tax-free/interest-free loans from public and government bonds, huge
exemptions from property and income taxes, etc.,... ALL AT TAXPAYER EXPENSES!
In other words, taxpayers push market value of big league teams for the sole
benefit of the few owners and the league, while the public get no benefit of a
financial nature in return... in fact, these sports facilities are perfect
monuments of Coliseums of Bad Capitalism.
What can we as citizens do to stop Energy Solutions???
Let's see if real Democracy prevails? What kind of threat is that? A democracy
is nothing but mob rule. The US is a republic, not a democracy; where we also
supposedly believe in protecting the rights of the minority and the rule of
law.Of course, don't look to your high school history class. The US
Constitution is a more instructional resource.
That's great- our basketball arena named for this company that is working so
hard to bring radioactive pollution to our state- trying to turn Utah into the
radioactive dump for the world.ES runs those ads saying they are
part of the solution. I think most of us agree that we need a safe place to
store radioactive waste. However, we should be storing our own waste, not the
waste from other states and other countries. It sounds like ES thinks Utah
should be the radioactive dump for the world. And Larry H. Miller names his
basketball arena after these guys? What's next- name the baseball stadium after
a famouse Utah serial killer?Come on, Larry- is making a profit
really worth supporting these guys? It'a amazing that WVC refused to name it's
arena after a beer company for moral reasons, yet Larry names his arena after a
company actively working to turn our state into the radioactive dump of the
world. How can we Utahns be anti-beer and pro-radioactive dump? That makes no
I cannot for the life of me understand why Utah, let alone the United States,
import nuclear waste. It was bad enough that many years ago "they" were not
allowed to shoot off the tests in Nevada - if the wind was blowing any where
towards California, so they aimed at states east of Nevada including Utah.
Remember what the innocent people of Southern Utah went through? If they use it
in Italy or any other place, they should have the accomodations to get rid of it
- no matter where. There is no control of which way the winds blow. Why is Utah
and the people of Utah, the "scape-goat" for taking care of such poisonous
materials? And think of what could happen when that waste is being
transported!It has to go thru at very least two other states and over the
ocean where much of our sea food comes from. No thanks. All the money in the
world is not worth it.
This compact arrangement sounds unconstitutional. Why should these states be
able to dictate to Utah what we can and can't do within Utah?Perhaps
Mr. Sinclair should look up the word extortion. Government extorts business
time and time again. Government gets away with behavior that would never be
considered acceptable or ethical in the private sector. Of course a business
may have operated for a period of time under the compact when it is being
extorted by the government. But, after enough abuses, it's time to stand up to
the bullies. Huntsman's and Sinclair's behavior seem better suited to the Mafia
than a freedom-loving country.
Let them do it! The more nulcear waster the better! I've always wanted to get
a super power and it seems that nuclear waste radiation is a good way to get
one! The more nuclear power and waste in our country, the better for us and
prospective superheros! Just move to Tooele!
Now we'll see if the rule of law and 'real' Democracy prevails here or if the
machinations of the rich-n-privileged Corporatocracy twists, mangles and makes
the tax payer foot the bill for something Utahns don't want and Energy Solutions
really isn't carrying the financial liability for. Stockholder interests
shouldn't trump Democratic interests and surely shouldn't be allowed to double
and triple dip from State and Federal tax breaks, tax givaways, ruthless eminent
domain seizures and special funding (typically interest-free) at tax payers
expenses. Believe it or not, this issue is not so much about
bringing nuclear waste or not bringing nuclear waste from outside Utah to Utah,
but is more about the battle between reverse-Socialism (the Rich-n-Privileged
taking from the poor and working middle-class to benefit a few rich corporate
stockholders) and the patriotic Democracy built by middle class Americans that
does not believe in aristocratic elitism of any kind that takes advantage of
poor, working middle class and plunders the tax rolls both through special
interest-free funding and/or huge tax breaks that are not even available to the
class of people who pay the Lions share of taxes... the working middle-class
American!Thank you Huntsman and the brave few.
I cringe every time I hear the current name for the place where the Utah Jazz
play. How can Larry Miller be so blind to allow his arena to be named for a
company that has so little respect for Utah? The company's television ads are
so misleading they make me sick.