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Published: Sunday, May 4 2008 12:30 a.m. MDT

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Travis

Let them hold back the records if they wish. We should respect the beliefs of others.
The time will come that all information will be available to us, and if certain groups take much of the information that we currently have, that time in which there is infinite information available will approach us more quickly.
I look forward to that time, so I don't mind when people try to take away our ability to perform God's work. Our God will bring that ability back to us.

Can't believe it!

Congratulations to the Pope. He has made great strides in setting family history research back several decades. Now that we have computer technology to help in this effort by millions of people worldwide who want to find their ancestors, he will protect the dead Catholics from this fate (worse than death?).

Maybe he is worried about the tourism industry since so many genealogists vacation in Salt Lake City to have access to the fantastic records that serve members of every (or no) faith. The library doesn't even ask at the door to see proof of membership (or proof of non-membership in a particular faith).

Now, people can go to a particular parish wherever in the world their ancestors lived and search directly, but only if they can prove they are not LDS. How will this be accomplished? Very shortsighted.

For years the LDS Church has made monumental efforts to ease this research. Now, when people of all faiths, economic strata, or inclination can search without the money and time that would be required to search directly, the Pope has done his part to stop this progress. Leave family search to those who are wealthy and Catholic or Non-LDS at least.

Roman Catholic view

I would like to contribute that when our family lost it's family records in a house fire many years ago we were unable to obtain any assistance from the diocese in attempting to relocate details of christening, confirmation and marriage. Nor was a papal blessing at the time of marriage capable of being traced although we have photographs of this.
So this is in many ways a restatement of something. What concerns me is that it appears to target another faith; this is regrettable but not entirely surprising.
So far as I am aware there is interfaith cooperation in preserving records worldwide. How sad that the Roman Catholic Church cannot appreciate this. Reminds me of the joke Dave Allen used to tell about the wall in heaven "It's for the Catholics they think they are the only ones here" says St Peter.
Thanks to all those LDS who help Irish Catholics like us to find our ancestry, you are our only help and are appreciated, just not by yer man in Rome!

Come on LDS folks

Let everyone belong to whichever religion they choose. If someone converts from Catholicism to the LDS church, they just might bring their records with them and decide to turn their ancestors' records over to the LDS church. If they don't, then leave the Catholics alone...they aren't YOUR records to have.

Still sane

So once again "Christians" fight other "Christians" - oh, except the others don't believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is Christian anyway. so, I guess it must be OK.

Dick Hillenbrand

Devastating!

This is so parochial and mean. Hey, Pope, lighten up! We NEED this information for Family History Research!

Denny Andrews

FOIP.
I do not want the catholic church sharing contact information with other organisations I might be interested in. I do not wish to be emailed when a new version is available. i do not wish to download google toolbar. I do not wish to be baptised mormon now or in the hereafter, and if you do it anyway, sorry about your luck.

Denver Reader

Amazing that CNS has grave reservations I have grave reservations, too, at a cemetery. But, I also have grave reservations about a religion that automatically condemns all those who never had a chance for baptism in this life. Doesnt matter that said persons never even heard of that religion, they are still condemned to at least purgatory. How do they get out? By the good will and grace of God? What about the requirement for baptism? Many, many questions for the Catholics on this one.

To what was Paul referring on baptisms for the dead? How does that august church explain the archeological reports coming out from Egypt on the very practice by early Christian saints (do a web search for details)?

And then that same church changed the ordinances of baptism from immersion to something other than immersion (thus Isaiah's prophecy fulfilled).

Nope. For me many, many "grave reservations" on Catholic practices. But then, not having been baptized Catholic, I will willingly be in hell with my ancestors than support their beliefs.

Just Me

To Julie and the rest. I am Catholic and the way I see it, to baptize someone after they have passed is disrespectful. If someone wanted to be Mormon, they would be. What right does anyone have to make that choice for them after they are gone? A comment above said "I don't want anyone re-writing my history after I am gone". That is right on! Be respectful!

Fiddler

I wouldn't mind having my family information copied by LDS. However, looking at it the other way round, does the LDS church allow Roman Catholics to copy LDS members' names for any purpose?

jtm

If teh LDS chuch is true there will be a way the records will come forth if it's not then don't worry about it.

NotDan

Have a little compassion you guys. First of all, the concept of priesthood authority to baptize is foreign to most christian religions. To most protestants, they accept that you are baptized if you have been baptized by any other christian church, not just theirs.

Second, how do you think the LDS would feel if the Southern Baptists went through the LDS records and started divorcing all our polygamous marriages from the 1800's to save their souls? Don't you think that would raise some ire? Don't you think that would indicate some disrespect on their part of for our history, our membership, our doctrine? Even though you know they don't have the authority to unseal their marriages, there would be some extreme consternation. Don't you think those individuals would be excluded from using the LDS Genealogy Library?

You know that certain Jewish organizations have already made the LDS church stop the wholesale baptism of the victims of the holocaust. Its a respect issue. Respect for victims, respect for believers, respect for the living families. So try to see things from both sides before the knee jerk conclusions.

mbt6

DCC, Please tell, educate us all so that we "understand", based on what you have said, we understand then there is no problem.

lithophysa1

How would you feel if scientologiists, as a gift of love, began to un-baptize or rebaptize Mormons after death and to consecrate the dead soul to the god, Xenu?

Just a thought

Leave it up to Elijah.

Bibical Practice

I Corinthians 15:29 Baptism for the dead, If is the most glorious subject, why did Paul exclude himself by saying "they" practice it and not "we" or "I" practice it? He was addressing and early cultic practice to prove the Resurrection. no second chance(Hebrews 9:27)

Re: my questions

Are you asking because you really want to know?

A vaccine has no effect for someone unwilling to get the shot.

A student will never learn a lesson he's unwilling to hear.

A child can never enjoy playing with a toy she's unwilling to play with.

This remains true even if the shot or the lesson or the toy are "perfect" and "all powerful" in their ability to prevent disease, teach, or provide enjoyment. God will force no one into heaven, only the willing. God provides salvation AND agency.

Baptism is God's way of inviting His children to physically demonstrate their commitment to follow Him (that "willingness" factor). Of course He could save anyone regardless, but he respects our agency so much, that he will not save us unless we have said "yes please" in our hearts and with our actions (at least baptism).

God himself said, "except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God"

And if you consider that every individual regardless of faith or obedience will be resurrected (saved from death) with a perfect body, you will see that God's omnipotence is real despite our actions.

Victor Stanton

Mormons have regularly blasphemed what other religions hold sacred. And it's more than just the acts of irresponsible young missionaries. In recent years the Jews were very willing to open their records to the mormons under the agreement that deceased Jews would not be subject to those secret, posthumous baptismal ceremonies. After the fact, it was discovered that the mormons did not uphold their end of the agreement. Small wonder that the Jews were upset and developed trust problems with the mormons. Perhaps the Catholics have had similar issues that this incomplete and somewhat slanted article does not mention.

LVIS

To Orion at 6:19--Actually, you're wrong. I could not care less if the catholic church decided to baptise my dad by proxy. I don't believe it would be of any validity, so why should I care? It would just be a waste of time on their part, with no bearing on what I believe. In fact, Orion, I'm going to start a movement of my own. I'm going to write your name (Orion) in red ink in a notebook I keep. Because, for your information, that means you are eternally damned. Do you believe that? Does it bother you? Didn't think so.

Mona

Decider said: "what gives Mormons the right to make a religious decision for those who have died and were not of the LDS faith, especially if one did not choose to be part of the LDS faith when alive?"

LDS don't force conversion on anyone. We believe each individual lives beyond the grave. We provide the ordinance. Each individual may accept or reject it.

100% of my ancestry is either Roman or Byzantine Catholic, and I have been researching them for 35 years. I have also done research for many other people curious about their roots. Up to this point each Catholic parish has had their individual policy concerning their records. Many have given me open access which I humbly appreciate. Others have refused to even crack open the books, proclaiming that even a deceased person's personal information should not be looked at by anyone, period. This new policy will be devastating. The value of someone learning about their family can make all the difference in how they see themselves and how they progress in their own lives. I have witnessed marvelous miracles.

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