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Published: Sunday, May 4 2008 12:30 a.m. MDT

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No Name Catholic

this is BIG. this is HUGE!

first the Mormons tried to do baptisms for the Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust, without regard for how the Jewish community and synagogues felt about it. this is EXTREMELY insensitive and disrespectful. but the mormons DON"T CARE about anyone but themselves.

now the Catholic Church has finally realized what disrespect the Mormons have been performing against their people!

all you Mormons can do is whine about it. it never occurs to you that what you are doing is GROSSLY offensive to others. you don't care.

well, it is about time. thats all i can say. its about time.

Jordon

The catholics should be ashamed of themselves standing in the way of the lords work. I now know that they are horrible and misserable people if they cannot grant this choice on to those who have believed a false gospel and have gone before them and live in the darkness of non-existence.

get a clue


Why does the LDS Church require non-mormon polling workers to obey the word of wisdom while using their church buildings on election day?

Its simple. Because the LDS subscribe to this belief as part of their theology, and they demand that it be respected in their buildings. They forbid all polling workers to drink coffee or use tobacco products in the building out of respect for Mormon beliefs.

You people do not get it. The Catholics DO NOT BELIEVE in baptizing the dead. I dont care how much support you think 1Cor 15:29 gives you, Christian churches are very clear in their beliefs that Mormons misinterpreted Paul, and several posters here have outlined that for you. The Vatican has addressed this and will not contribute to an erroneous ritual that does not coincide with Catholic theology. Catholics obviously want the same respect for their beliefs when asking for parish records; that the LDS demand for Mormon beliefs when their facilities are being used as polling places.

You guys need to stop bashing the Catholics, and making arrogant and judgmental comments. Youre no better than the Anti-Mormons who bash you on a regular basis on these boards.

re: "my questions"

To answer an earlier question: Why isn't God powerful enough to save without baptism/ordinances? He is. Joseph Smith taught (you can find this in the Doctrine and Covenants) that children under the age of 8 are saved through the blood of Christ because they are without guilt. The rest of us, however, are not without guilt. There are certain stipulations to entering in the Kingdom of God, just as there are certain stipulations to earning a scholarly degree. One has to work toward it and complete certain requirements. Baptisms for the dead show the mercy of God. How would you like to not be able to earn your degree because you didn't know about certain classes that you had to take to graduate? By the same token, how would you like to not be able to go to Heaven because you didn't know about baptism (think about the millions of people who died without a knowledge of God or Christ)? Baptisms for the dead give people the opportunity to "take the classes necessary to graduate" before their final desination is determined.

Leslie Townsend

The Catholic Church should be ASHAMED for being so supremely ungrateful for the fantastic genealogical database the LDS Church has compiled and allows EVERYONE regardless of religion to use. Why should the LDS Church's proxy baptisms both them unless they believe it would actually have some sort of permanent effect on the souls of the dearly departed Catholics in question? It is pure insecurity!

Boo Hoo

I can not wait until I here a statement from the first presidency. I think the catholics are ignorant and selfish for this but it will solidfy how much of a threat we are to bringing down the false doctrine of the catholic church and how jealous they are that we are converting nearly all there members.

Jen

To Mark, Jason, Decider of Dominator, DCC, etc. you may want to go back and check the facts on Catholic history. The original Christian church, following Jesus Christ's death & prior to the council of Nicea 3 centuries later, aka the Catholic church, practiced baptism for their dead! The practice was only removed like so many other doctrines when Constantine & the others had their council. How do you like 'dem apples?

judie

When I went to the LDS Library, no one asked me what my religion was. They kindly helped me find my French and Spanish and other ancestry. They were quite kind to me. I found lots of my ancestors and found that they came from places that I never knew existed and so I found a new part of me.

Jane

To Jordon,

How dare you accuse the Catholics of "standing in the way of the Lord's work".

The Catholic Church IS the Lord's work! They have been doing the Lord's work for ten times longer than you Mormons have been deceiving people with your lies about the so-called "apostasy"!

You make me sick and angry toward the arrogant Mormons!

observer

I haven't read all the posts but what right does the pope have to tell their congregation what they should do with their own personal records. As far as I know the FHC abides by all laws governing privacy rights. No church has exclusive rights to all these records and is not the spokesperson for any family. This issue should be in the hands of the individual families about what information they feel should be disclosed. If the pope had said to use caution, I can accept that, but he didn't. Sounds like interference in personal lives of individuals.

Misguided

The pope is unguided and at the helm of a false church. I would suspect we will see more of this as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints continues to grow in stature. These little knee biters will try to take away from the church because of the authority we know has been bestowed upon us. I think the pope may be jealous that a twenty year old boy has more authority then himself.

just a thought

The mission of the LDS church is to preach the gospel; period. We don't care if not everyone will join; that is not the point. The point is that everyone has the opportunity to hear the gospel. That is what the members of the church have been commanded to do and we are trying to do it in a spirit of love. Other organizations can't stop the work from progressing. Joseph Smith said, "The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done (History of the Church, 4:540).

Mary

I have a question. If I now go to a Catholic church to see my ancestor's records, am I going to have to swear under penalty of perjury that I am not LDS? and if I lie, can I march myself right over to the Catholic confessional, with records in hand, and promise to never do it again? How are the Catholics going to know who is LDS and who is not? Is this a witch-hunt? I am not looking for my ancestors to do their work, I am looking for my ancestors to know where I came from and who else I am related to. I'm looking for my family.

Bruce

The lords work will conitnue to be done. The idiocracy of the catholic church will not stand in front of the lords true work. How come you think you are loosing so many member! Because they aer becoming LDS and yes they will continue to baptize former catholics because they want there ancestors to have the chance in the after life rather than living in the eternal darkness of a corrupt church!

Empty promises

It's easy for Mormons to say they wouldn't mind if another religion baptized them posthumously - since no other religion does it. How magnanimous is it when there's nothing to lose? ... I'm also struck by the sense of entitlement Mormons seem to have about another church's records.

Ken

The way I see it, the Catholic Church can look at the Mormon practice of proxy baptism and 1) let them do it because in their mind it is a false and meaningless effort, or 2) go one step further and withhold names altogether to keep the LDS from even attempting it. They've decided to choose the latter.

I'm sure this isn't the end of the discussion and perhaps a consensus can be reached.

Andrew

I think Athiests have the only legitimate argument for being against the LDS church baptising thier deceased anscestors because if they are correct then all they have is the vestiges of their life including their name and may not want that altered in any way. Other religions should be satisfied with the fact that they don't believe it matters. So if the Athiest Society doesn't want to hand over thier records then we should respect that;)

fairytale

The practice of trying to convert dead people is downright creepy. Not to mention incredibly disrespectful, arrogant, and plain rude to the survivors.

Beth

Jen | 8:02 p.m.,

You have no proof that early Christians practiced baptism for the dead as a legitimate Christian rite. two thousand years of history shows that ALL mention of baptism for the dead in the Bible are condemning that pagan, false, occult practice as evil and from the devil! Even the Dead Sea Scrolls and the documents found in the Nag Hammadi Library all clearly show baptism for the dead to be an heretical practice that was NEVER mainstream in the Christian church.

"Dem apples" you so arrogantly try to trick us into swallowing are poisoned apples! Poisoned by the lies of Mormon apologist "scholars" who are on the payroll of your Church to give the illusion of legitimacy and respectability to the false doctrines they are making YOU swallow! Wake up before it is "everlastingly too late!"

A TRUE sister in Christ.

Re: Jen

"The original Christian church, following Jesus Christ's death & prior to the council of Nicea 3 centuries later, aka the Catholic church, practiced baptism for their dead."

Did you learn this in seminary? You need to check your facts. There were numerous break-off sects after the crucifixion. At least one, even maybe a few practiced baptism for the dead, but it was considered a LOCAL practice and was NEVER practiced as a whole by the mainstream Church. The Council at Nicea sought to consolidate the beliefs of Christianity, but baptism for the dead was never a practice of the "Original Christian Church" or even a wide-spread practice and was considered heretical.

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