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Tad Walch: 9/11 theorist not curtailing his research
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Falco98 | 10:10 a.m. May 11, 2008
"Much has been previously written about a nuclear event on Sept.
2001."
By moonbats. Not "truth seekers", "skeptics", or "people just asking questions" -- the definition is MOONBATS. That means CRAZY PEOPLE. People who have LOST ALL BEARINGS on REALITY.
By moonbats. Not "truth seekers", "skeptics", or "people just asking questions" -- the definition is MOONBATS. That means CRAZY PEOPLE. People who have LOST ALL BEARINGS on REALITY.
Anonymous | 11:09 a.m. May 11, 2008
If you re-read the article, you will see that Jones has already conceded that
the fires reached 1000 degrees celsius (1800 F), enough to reduce the strength
of the steel by 90%. I have interviewed multiple members of my local fire
department and they have confirmed to me that these temperatures are common in
ordinary house fires, running off nothing but furniture, drapery, paper,
plastics, carpets and so forth.
What you THINK is possible is not relevant.
What you THINK is possible is not relevant.
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Logician | 7:26 p.m. May 11, 2008
Falco98, Anonymous ....
Why are you are totally, deliberately and boringly missing the point. I spell out the word MOLTEN and you continually bring up WEAKENED steel. Of course there was weakened steel ... so what? There is weakened steel in every building fire, but they simply previously did not collapse.
It is not for me to prove how it melted, only to prove that it WAS melted and in place beneath those 3 collapsed buildings. Not being on the spot to actually see it, I must, as you must, rely upon photos and videos to see it. Then it is up to everyone to find out HOW IT WAS MELTED. But first it must be admitted.
I cannot send you the pix ... for all I know you may well be a "Mossad Disinformatist". Bad for my health perhaps. Do as I and millions of others have ... gain courage and simply search Google. You know the words to use. Don't waste another 7 of your years.
What on Earth would you even know about logic??
Why are you are totally, deliberately and boringly missing the point. I spell out the word MOLTEN and you continually bring up WEAKENED steel. Of course there was weakened steel ... so what? There is weakened steel in every building fire, but they simply previously did not collapse.
It is not for me to prove how it melted, only to prove that it WAS melted and in place beneath those 3 collapsed buildings. Not being on the spot to actually see it, I must, as you must, rely upon photos and videos to see it. Then it is up to everyone to find out HOW IT WAS MELTED. But first it must be admitted.
I cannot send you the pix ... for all I know you may well be a "Mossad Disinformatist". Bad for my health perhaps. Do as I and millions of others have ... gain courage and simply search Google. You know the words to use. Don't waste another 7 of your years.
What on Earth would you even know about logic??
Anonymous | 10:05 p.m. May 11, 2008
Weakened steel is what caused the collapse, bro.
Thanx for accusing me of working for Israeli intelligence though. Only the second time this weekend a truther has called me a jew.
This is 2008, buddy. Not 1934. Leave the jewish people outta this, ok?
Thanx for accusing me of working for Israeli intelligence though. Only the second time this weekend a truther has called me a jew.
This is 2008, buddy. Not 1934. Leave the jewish people outta this, ok?
Logician | 3:43 a.m. May 12, 2008
Anonymous ...
Why was this the first occasion in history for fire weakened steel to collapse not only one building, but 3 in a row, on the same day ... air strike or not.
Again and again, I am referring to MOLTEN STEEL found deep in each of the 3 rubble piles. Those in doubt, string a few appropriate words into Google, Find the pix I have had on file for almost 7 years.
I will not post the URLs ... read rules above the Comment box. Use your own resources, if you have the ability.
You should have noted, had you read all 10 pages of comments, the Israeli spy network was VERY involved in 9/11. They had EXACT details of when and where, but seem to have "overlooked" telling anyone in US. In other words they, at very least, let it happen for their own obvious ends. Is that not good enough reason to refer to Israelis in this context?? They allowed 3,000 people to die.
I have no doubt they have special people watching this URL and its comment list, very carefully. Wouldn't you, given my above-mentioned special circumstances? Explain why you try to protect them.
Why was this the first occasion in history for fire weakened steel to collapse not only one building, but 3 in a row, on the same day ... air strike or not.
Again and again, I am referring to MOLTEN STEEL found deep in each of the 3 rubble piles. Those in doubt, string a few appropriate words into Google, Find the pix I have had on file for almost 7 years.
I will not post the URLs ... read rules above the Comment box. Use your own resources, if you have the ability.
You should have noted, had you read all 10 pages of comments, the Israeli spy network was VERY involved in 9/11. They had EXACT details of when and where, but seem to have "overlooked" telling anyone in US. In other words they, at very least, let it happen for their own obvious ends. Is that not good enough reason to refer to Israelis in this context?? They allowed 3,000 people to die.
I have no doubt they have special people watching this URL and its comment list, very carefully. Wouldn't you, given my above-mentioned special circumstances? Explain why you try to protect them.
Alan Williams | 2:10 p.m. May 12, 2008
Once again, an EXCELLENT INDIRECT REBUTTAL (published in the Journal of
Engineering Mechanics ASCE) to many of Jones' implications can be found by
Googling "Northwestern University Civil and Environmental
Engineering", and upon reaching that department homepage, searching for
"What Did and Did not Cause Collapse of WTC Twin Towers in New York".
David Ferrie | 1:32 p.m. May 20, 2008
this guy was fired because his work was scientifically unsound.i know cos i read
it.and it just don't cut the mustard.his methods and procedures were
wrong.
to be honest i hear they were trying to get rid of him a long long time ago.
for smokin dope.i believe he was arrested in the 60s for drugs and things.i won't go into it now but i have seen his arrest files and a lot of interesting things in there shame if it came out.
he is an agitator and needs to go live in russia.
to be honest i hear they were trying to get rid of him a long long time ago.
for smokin dope.i believe he was arrested in the 60s for drugs and things.i won't go into it now but i have seen his arrest files and a lot of interesting things in there shame if it came out.
he is an agitator and needs to go live in russia.
Logician | 10:41 p.m. May 20, 2008
David Ferrie ...
Go ahead, take a deep breath and courageously detail all you claim "to know" about this man. You can't do any more damage than you already have in posting your comments. Let us see for ourselves, what you are really about. Don't forget to advise us of how this exposure would affect his academic life. Judging by your input, we already know your academic level.
Go ahead, take a deep breath and courageously detail all you claim "to know" about this man. You can't do any more damage than you already have in posting your comments. Let us see for ourselves, what you are really about. Don't forget to advise us of how this exposure would affect his academic life. Judging by your input, we already know your academic level.
Logician | 3:34 a.m. May 24, 2008
David Ferrie ...
Come on master mind ... cat got your tongue?
Suddenly feeling exposed for what you really are?
Put up, or apologize.
Come on master mind ... cat got your tongue?
Suddenly feeling exposed for what you really are?
Put up, or apologize.
blarvindible | 5:35 p.m. May 25, 2008
would love to apply equally rigorous methodology to the disappearance, down a
rabbit hole, of generals montague & myers as well as sec of def rummie on
that fateful morn.
checkbookdaddyo | 12:18 a.m. May 27, 2008
Falco98 or is it Fallacyco98,
In reference to your suggestion:
"For people concerned with "sub-basement explosions heard in WTC1", you should probably find and watch a video called "William Rodriguez vs. Kevin Mcpadden" on youtube."
I looked up the video and was not all that surprised to see that the editor of the video [Slimebuster] had used clips of Rodriguez describing two separate events--and then tried to claim that Rodriguez had changed his story. It was easy for me to spot because I had seen the whole account and had already heard all of the quotes mentioned. But it is disinformation tricks like these that allow Falco98 to be deceived and then propagate the deception. Rodriguez refers in one case to the gigantic "explosion" in the basement area that occurred seconds before the first plane hit. The "rumbling" that Rodriquez refers to is the effect they felt at the bottom of the towers when first plane hit the tower. In describing two separate events, there were obviously two separate descriptions. Nice try, Fallacyco98.
In reference to your suggestion:
"For people concerned with "sub-basement explosions heard in WTC1", you should probably find and watch a video called "William Rodriguez vs. Kevin Mcpadden" on youtube."
I looked up the video and was not all that surprised to see that the editor of the video [Slimebuster] had used clips of Rodriguez describing two separate events--and then tried to claim that Rodriguez had changed his story. It was easy for me to spot because I had seen the whole account and had already heard all of the quotes mentioned. But it is disinformation tricks like these that allow Falco98 to be deceived and then propagate the deception. Rodriguez refers in one case to the gigantic "explosion" in the basement area that occurred seconds before the first plane hit. The "rumbling" that Rodriquez refers to is the effect they felt at the bottom of the towers when first plane hit the tower. In describing two separate events, there were obviously two separate descriptions. Nice try, Fallacyco98.
Logician | 3:57 a.m. May 31, 2008
Anonymous ...
It's been a few days. Have you asked your master controllers why they classified, for all time, all details of the 5 Israeli spys' 9/11 FBI's weeks of questioning? What exactly are they hiding? Are you not even a little curious. It is a MAJOR KEY to the whole sordid event. Keep trying, so we can all eventually read your successful results on this site. Be a devil.
It's been a few days. Have you asked your master controllers why they classified, for all time, all details of the 5 Israeli spys' 9/11 FBI's weeks of questioning? What exactly are they hiding? Are you not even a little curious. It is a MAJOR KEY to the whole sordid event. Keep trying, so we can all eventually read your successful results on this site. Be a devil.
Shaun Knapp | 12:33 a.m. June 1, 2008
Bravo,
I'm delighted at Tad's pretty good and fair reporting in this piece.
Government sponsored terrorism is as old as governments are. We have had governments down through the ages creating terror for their own use. Mormon's when living in Missouri had mobs create "terror burnings" if I might call them that, then blame them on the Mormon's, and the victims of such fires believed the enemies lies. Book of Mormon examples illustrate this too, a book "as current as the morning newspaper." King Amalekiah had his assassins murder the Lamanite king, then blamed it on the King's fleeing servants. Such deceptions continue today.
Dottie is Right, how did the best defended military instillation on the planet not be able to defend itself---especially after the towers were hit? What of a stand down order to US Military Aircraft?
Hitler's henchmen burned the Reichstag, and after such treachery the "Enabling Act" was passed nearly immediately as was the case in our own USA Patriot Act.
What we have is a "vicious, oath bound, and secret organization, bent on evil and destruction." These "woo the people with sophistry as they take control of the society."
We must Awake And Arise.
I'm delighted at Tad's pretty good and fair reporting in this piece.
Government sponsored terrorism is as old as governments are. We have had governments down through the ages creating terror for their own use. Mormon's when living in Missouri had mobs create "terror burnings" if I might call them that, then blame them on the Mormon's, and the victims of such fires believed the enemies lies. Book of Mormon examples illustrate this too, a book "as current as the morning newspaper." King Amalekiah had his assassins murder the Lamanite king, then blamed it on the King's fleeing servants. Such deceptions continue today.
Dottie is Right, how did the best defended military instillation on the planet not be able to defend itself---especially after the towers were hit? What of a stand down order to US Military Aircraft?
Hitler's henchmen burned the Reichstag, and after such treachery the "Enabling Act" was passed nearly immediately as was the case in our own USA Patriot Act.
What we have is a "vicious, oath bound, and secret organization, bent on evil and destruction." These "woo the people with sophistry as they take control of the society."
We must Awake And Arise.
Logician | 6:46 p.m. June 5, 2008
Shaun Knapp
Much worse than issuing a general order to stand down surveillance for the day.
VP Cheney actually stood in the White House bunker on that evil morning and demanded that a rogue plane heading relentlessly towards Pentagon BE NOT SHOT DOWN. Several eye witnesses agree on that. IMPEACHABLE TREASON is the all I can think of.
Much worse than issuing a general order to stand down surveillance for the day.
VP Cheney actually stood in the White House bunker on that evil morning and demanded that a rogue plane heading relentlessly towards Pentagon BE NOT SHOT DOWN. Several eye witnesses agree on that. IMPEACHABLE TREASON is the all I can think of.
Sitting-Bull | 12:13 a.m. June 7, 2008
I promised to deliver my wreckage company source for molten steel. Google:
Mazzocchi Wrecking wtc
The physical challenge was the sheer magnitude of the project and its components. A beam 30 feet long and 8 feet wide weighed between 60 and 80 tons�steel so heavy it broke grapples and twisted booms. With ground temperatures reaching in excess of 1,200�F, steel beams were pulled out of the wreckage glowing red.
And for all other sources google: Molten Metal Debunked! nk-44 - and search for the Loose Change Forum.
The physical challenge was the sheer magnitude of the project and its components. A beam 30 feet long and 8 feet wide weighed between 60 and 80 tons�steel so heavy it broke grapples and twisted booms. With ground temperatures reaching in excess of 1,200�F, steel beams were pulled out of the wreckage glowing red.
And for all other sources google: Molten Metal Debunked! nk-44 - and search for the Loose Change Forum.
Logician | 12:22 a.m. June 17, 2008
Sitting Bull
More importantly, on several pix I have collected, not only are lower ends of the emerging beams glowing white hot, but are actually dripping with Molten Steel. What more proof of MOLTEN STEEL PRESENCE is needed? There were ACTIVE ELEMENTS involved inside those 3 buildings, NOT NORMALLY EXPECTED TO BE FOUND IN OFFICE BUILDINGS. What naturally comes to mind is, of course, THERMATE or something with same capabilities. We know what that means and leads to. Eventual Impeachment and jail, if not gallows.
More importantly, on several pix I have collected, not only are lower ends of the emerging beams glowing white hot, but are actually dripping with Molten Steel. What more proof of MOLTEN STEEL PRESENCE is needed? There were ACTIVE ELEMENTS involved inside those 3 buildings, NOT NORMALLY EXPECTED TO BE FOUND IN OFFICE BUILDINGS. What naturally comes to mind is, of course, THERMATE or something with same capabilities. We know what that means and leads to. Eventual Impeachment and jail, if not gallows.
No To Tyranny | 12:22 p.m. June 25, 2008
Anyone who honestly believes that two 110 story buildings can collapse at free
fall speed with over 90 perfectly in-tact floors below the impact points of the
planes... is an idiot. Research the term 'law of conservation of
momentum' already... maybe you'll learn something. Those muslim
extremists really are amazing aren't they? Suspending the laws of physics
on 9/11... wow! And, aren't those controlled demolition companies stupid?
I mean, why spend weeks or months and all that time and money preparing a
building for destruction if all you have to do is light a giant fire on a few
floors? Silly people.
9/11 was allowed to happen and a criminal faction of our government was involved and assisted the terrorists... the evidence is overwhelming and the science of it all is NOT on the government's side!!! Wake up sheeple... we're seeing the U.S. military-industrial complex at work and a rather large conglomerate of defense contracting firms profit like nobody's business!
9/11 was allowed to happen and a criminal faction of our government was involved and assisted the terrorists... the evidence is overwhelming and the science of it all is NOT on the government's side!!! Wake up sheeple... we're seeing the U.S. military-industrial complex at work and a rather large conglomerate of defense contracting firms profit like nobody's business!
Paul | 4:05 p.m. April 11, 2009
After reading all accounts of the disaster there appears to be a clear conflict
between what the government has said vs. the scientific facts.
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"Something, other than kerosene must explain those temperatures reached, capable of melting steel. It certainly wasn't carpet plastic or office paper."
Sorry, but any of those 3 fuels (and especially some combination of the 3, which is what was there) would have been capable of reaching temperatures necessary for the structural failure. Nobody claims it had to reach melting temperature to fail (other than twoofers). And as of yet, despite numerous twoofers insisting on it, there is no substantiation for the myths of "pools of liquid molten steel" at ground zero (and no explanation as to what would have caused this, as thermite and traditional explosives would not have done anything more to melt large masses of steel than fire did).
Sorry, logic is against you.