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Tad Walch: 9/11 theorist not curtailing his research
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Daniel Patrick Schamle | 6:56 a.m. May 3, 2008
Bravo Professor Jones, bravo. Why DID a 47 story skyscraper fall in less that 10
seconds? I don't know, but it makes me wonder.
BBKing | 7:56 a.m. May 3, 2008
Right or wrong, this man has courage.
And his evidence is difficult to refute.
And his evidence is difficult to refute.
Buke | 8:24 a.m. May 3, 2008
Instead of branding this man 'unpatriotic' or a 'lunatic'
the Government should work with Mr. Jones. If they have nothing to hide then you
would think they would have a look at the iron spheres and try to figure out
what they are.
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Dr. Steven E. Jones | 9:00 a.m. May 3, 2008
Thank you, Daniel -- why indeed did three WTC skyscrapers fall at essentially
free-fall speed, especially when only two were hit by planes? We have data
which provides crucial answers...
My colleague Kevin Ryan wrote me this morning "They took the high road this time." I think so, too.
The reporter (Tad Walch) was willing to speak about microspheres and red/gray chips which we found in the WTC dust -- and to nudge NIST to take a look at the evidence we have uncovered.
That's what we want -- to have serious scientists and engineers and the public take a look at the data! As Tad Walch correctly quoted me, I love my country and I seek the truth that will help keep us free -- and bring peace and economic stability.
My colleague Kevin Ryan wrote me this morning "They took the high road this time." I think so, too.
The reporter (Tad Walch) was willing to speak about microspheres and red/gray chips which we found in the WTC dust -- and to nudge NIST to take a look at the evidence we have uncovered.
That's what we want -- to have serious scientists and engineers and the public take a look at the data! As Tad Walch correctly quoted me, I love my country and I seek the truth that will help keep us free -- and bring peace and economic stability.
Dr. Steven E. Jones | 9:03 a.m. May 3, 2008
The peer-reviewed paper can be easily accessed by Googling "Fourteen points
Bentham". The title of this paper begins with "Fourteen points"
and the paper was published in a Civil Engineering journal by Bentham
Scientific.
The "Fourteen Points" paper regarding the WTC destruction has been translated into Czech and appears in the Journal of 9/11 Studies (on-line, google that).
The authors hold the copyright to the peer-reviewed paper (our thanks to the respected editors at the Open Civil Engineering Journal) and so we can strongly encourage further translations and publications of the article -- into Spanish, German, French, Italian...
Thanks to Petr Kral for his first translation of this paper.
If you wish to contribute to a translation of this paper, please email me at HardEvidence@gmail.com. Let's take the high road in getting the truth out.
The "Fourteen Points" paper regarding the WTC destruction has been translated into Czech and appears in the Journal of 9/11 Studies (on-line, google that).
The authors hold the copyright to the peer-reviewed paper (our thanks to the respected editors at the Open Civil Engineering Journal) and so we can strongly encourage further translations and publications of the article -- into Spanish, German, French, Italian...
Thanks to Petr Kral for his first translation of this paper.
If you wish to contribute to a translation of this paper, please email me at HardEvidence@gmail.com. Let's take the high road in getting the truth out.
Stevan Madrigal | 9:26 a.m. May 3, 2008
Continue the research, Dr. Jones. I applaud your efforts; thanks to objective
investigation such as yours, the truth will be known.
Anonymous | 9:41 a.m. May 3, 2008
BYU was right to oust this kook.
Steve Haslet | 10:07 a.m. May 3, 2008
Steve Jones is a true American hero. His research into 9/11 is making it very
difficult to perpetuate the lies surrounding this tragedy.
Suspicious Patriot | 10:19 a.m. May 3, 2008
For six years I believed the official "story"; I no longer do.
For six years I never questioned the official "story", now it's all I can do.
For those of you who want to see how badly we were fooled that day I recoment the following -
YouTube: September Clues
You won't believe how much CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC & FAUX News tricked us. The lies that were broadcast on TV that day.
If you don't have time to watch all 9 parts (rougly 7 minutes a piece), then most certainly take the time to watch parts 3 & 9 - they will blow your mind.
911 Was an Inside Job!
For six years I never questioned the official "story", now it's all I can do.
For those of you who want to see how badly we were fooled that day I recoment the following -
YouTube: September Clues
You won't believe how much CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC & FAUX News tricked us. The lies that were broadcast on TV that day.
If you don't have time to watch all 9 parts (rougly 7 minutes a piece), then most certainly take the time to watch parts 3 & 9 - they will blow your mind.
911 Was an Inside Job!
Peter D | 10:23 a.m. May 3, 2008
It was foolish for BYU to have fired Dr. Jones. Dr. Jones took a very reasoned
approach to the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings, and his research
should have been supported by the University. Their hostility toward Dr. Jones
is as baffling as the sudden collapses of the twin towers on 9-11.
Spencer | 10:37 a.m. May 3, 2008
I have never posted a comment on deseretnews.com. However, this is an issue that
really needs to be exposed, and It sounds like Professor Jones is going ab out
it the right way. There really are many questions that are just unanswered, and
Dr. Jones is seeking to find those answers.
I am concerned the American public had the wool pulled over their eyes, and many decisions that have shaped our country have been on false claims, or at least claims that were not investigated, or allowed to be investigated. Think about it... If anyone suggested anything different than the main stream answer -- Osama was responsible just was not considered an option, rather was laughed at because no one was open to any other answer.
We have a duty to give some time to Dr. Jones and read his article to help expand our minds to what exactly happened on that terrible day.
My hat is off to you Dr. Jones, you have given up your career for a cause you believe in. I respect and admire your dedication.
I am concerned the American public had the wool pulled over their eyes, and many decisions that have shaped our country have been on false claims, or at least claims that were not investigated, or allowed to be investigated. Think about it... If anyone suggested anything different than the main stream answer -- Osama was responsible just was not considered an option, rather was laughed at because no one was open to any other answer.
We have a duty to give some time to Dr. Jones and read his article to help expand our minds to what exactly happened on that terrible day.
My hat is off to you Dr. Jones, you have given up your career for a cause you believe in. I respect and admire your dedication.
Dottie | 11:29 a.m. May 3, 2008
It's not just the fall of the towers that's suspicious. How about
the stand-down of the US Air Force?
It's just not believable that the most powerful military that has ever existed on the planet, with a budget of $500 billion/year, could not protect its own headquarters, even AFTER the WTC towers had been attacked.
How the GOP can campaign as "strong on defense" after that collossal failure is beyond me. Yet no one was fired or demoted for the multiple failures of that day.
But NBC, ABC, CNN ignore all this. Kudos to the Deseret for covering this important news!
It's just not believable that the most powerful military that has ever existed on the planet, with a budget of $500 billion/year, could not protect its own headquarters, even AFTER the WTC towers had been attacked.
How the GOP can campaign as "strong on defense" after that collossal failure is beyond me. Yet no one was fired or demoted for the multiple failures of that day.
But NBC, ABC, CNN ignore all this. Kudos to the Deseret for covering this important news!
James Roberts | 11:46 a.m. May 3, 2008
Mr. Walch, I hope you don't receive the same treatment that Dr. Jones has
by merely doing your job of reporting. He has been doing his job both as a
scientist and as a concerned citizen in pointing out scientific flaws in the
NIST and FEMA reports. Anyone with a halfway open mind who has reviewed the
evidence regarding the collapse of the 3 WTC buildings will come away with the
same questions that have prompted Dr. Jones as well as hundreds of other
scientists, architects and engineers to pursue the truth as to why the buildings
fell. What is so odd about that? Except by doing so you put your career in
jeopardy. Visit the website Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth
(ae911truth.org). Several of the 911 Commission members themselves said that the
administration hindered their investigation.
dar7yl | 12:47 p.m. May 3, 2008
The melting point of steel is not the point at which it fails. Steel undergoes
a phase change at about 740 degC. Even before then, it begins to become more
maleable.
The "pancakeing" of the trade centres was preceded by a shock wave that propagated ahead of the collapse zone. There were no shaped charges involved.
Iron-rich spheres and red-gray chips could be created by processes very similar to those generated by shaped charges. Could not the traces of explosives that were allegedly found be left over from the previous bombing in '93?
The conspiracy that you are claiming implies a level of intellegence, coordination and sophistication that, quite frankly, the american people do not possess.
IMHO, bin Laden had 10 times more intellegence than your average conspiracy candidate.
The "pancakeing" of the trade centres was preceded by a shock wave that propagated ahead of the collapse zone. There were no shaped charges involved.
Iron-rich spheres and red-gray chips could be created by processes very similar to those generated by shaped charges. Could not the traces of explosives that were allegedly found be left over from the previous bombing in '93?
The conspiracy that you are claiming implies a level of intellegence, coordination and sophistication that, quite frankly, the american people do not possess.
IMHO, bin Laden had 10 times more intellegence than your average conspiracy candidate.
Rob | 12:53 p.m. May 3, 2008
I applaud Dr. Jones for his methodical scientific research into some of the many
unanswered questions surrounding 9/11. I am still waiting patiently for the NIST
report on WTC7. I'm surprised there isn't more public outcry
surrounding it's mysterious and most unusual collapse. Almost 7 years later
ans STILL no report.
donna | 1:00 p.m. May 3, 2008
Thank you, to Tad Walch & the Deseret News for presenting fair &
balanced coverage of this issue and the research done by Dr. Steven Jones. He
is a man of great integrity and courage.
Should the rest of us engender those qualities we might be worthy to retain the liberty handed to us as a birthright by those who did.
Too many of us are squandering that birthright for a 'mess of pottage'.
Should the rest of us engender those qualities we might be worthy to retain the liberty handed to us as a birthright by those who did.
Too many of us are squandering that birthright for a 'mess of pottage'.
winston smith | 1:26 p.m. May 3, 2008
I applaud Prof.Jones ,he put his career and reputation on the line for the
truth.The truth is horrifying.Watch some of the video presentations on google or
youtube by Prof.Jones and use your common sense.
We in Vancouver Canada hosted a 911 Truth conference last June.Professor Jones and his wife came up to join us .What wonderful people.
Do your own research.-winston
We in Vancouver Canada hosted a 911 Truth conference last June.Professor Jones and his wife came up to join us .What wonderful people.
Do your own research.-winston
sal | 1:34 p.m. May 3, 2008
dar7yl... who are you trying to answer to? yourself?
Look, you admit that there are hundreds of unexplained phenomena, you even bring your own home-cooked explanations to them (`93 charges??? in the dust flowing all around???).
There must be another investigation - you don't, you can't, know the truth, and presumptive evidence is 100 not in favor of the official explanation.
Do you really prefer to live in a fake world created for you by tv?
Look, you admit that there are hundreds of unexplained phenomena, you even bring your own home-cooked explanations to them (`93 charges??? in the dust flowing all around???).
There must be another investigation - you don't, you can't, know the truth, and presumptive evidence is 100 not in favor of the official explanation.
Do you really prefer to live in a fake world created for you by tv?
Betty Goldman | 1:58 p.m. May 3, 2008
It's not like the steel was in a blast furnace. It was covered with
asbestos fire-proofing and the fires were so cool that there are photos of
people standing in the opening where the plane hit the building, with no flames
in sight anywhere.
Besides, fire burns up, not down. How can a fire on the 92nd floor weaken fireproofed steel on floors 1-91?
The towers exploded all the way down to the basement.
You don't have to be a physicist to see this. Anyone who has ever watched logs burn in their fireplace knows how fire makes things collapse: slowly and erratically.
And look at how the Bush admin profited from this! It is their only reason for invading Iraq and Afghanistan, wars they have wanted for a long time. Our bases in Afghanistan are positioned to protect the pipeline they built once we invaded.
Besides, fire burns up, not down. How can a fire on the 92nd floor weaken fireproofed steel on floors 1-91?
The towers exploded all the way down to the basement.
You don't have to be a physicist to see this. Anyone who has ever watched logs burn in their fireplace knows how fire makes things collapse: slowly and erratically.
And look at how the Bush admin profited from this! It is their only reason for invading Iraq and Afghanistan, wars they have wanted for a long time. Our bases in Afghanistan are positioned to protect the pipeline they built once we invaded.
colinB | 2:25 p.m. May 3, 2008
Dar7yl,
I have seen the construction drawings(blueprints) of the towers,1 and 2 that is, and no way could they have collapsed as shown without 'help'. The core of the buildings was composed of 47 pre-stressed box section columns, each one approx. 1200mm x 500mm with a wall section of 100mm, gradually tapering up the height of the towers. These in turn had hat trusses at each floor spanning to the exterior steel columns. It was IMPOSSIBLE for the buildings to collapse as they did without the gentle persuasion of explosives.
I have seen the construction drawings(blueprints) of the towers,1 and 2 that is, and no way could they have collapsed as shown without 'help'. The core of the buildings was composed of 47 pre-stressed box section columns, each one approx. 1200mm x 500mm with a wall section of 100mm, gradually tapering up the height of the towers. These in turn had hat trusses at each floor spanning to the exterior steel columns. It was IMPOSSIBLE for the buildings to collapse as they did without the gentle persuasion of explosives.
Richard | 2:42 p.m. May 3, 2008
If the 9/11 Truth Movement would take a lesson from Dr. Jones's approach,
tone down some of the rhetoric and confrontational attitude ... it could help
the cause. Now that the scientific analysis has reached the stage of being
reviewed by other scientists, it behooves all of us to educate ourselves to the
extent we are able... and share our understanding, in a dispassionate way with
those who show an interest. Otherwise, the media has a field day hunting out the
"kooks" to parade as representative of the 9/11 Movement. Thanks for
all the dedicated researchers who are acting in such a reasonable manner. To
name only a few besides Dr.Jones: Peter Dale Scott, David Ray Griffin, Richard
Gage, Kevin Ryan,and so many others.
zica | 2:50 p.m. May 3, 2008
Hat's off to Prof Jones for his research and to Tad Walch for his
journalism.
Those who are bothered by Dr. Jones' research should analyze their feelings and find out what the true source of the irritation is. Ask yourself some questions like "Would I want to know?" or "Why can't I be a patriot and an authoritarian follower at all times?" Or maybe "Is it ok to have more than one physics?"
Those who are bothered by Dr. Jones' research should analyze their feelings and find out what the true source of the irritation is. Ask yourself some questions like "Would I want to know?" or "Why can't I be a patriot and an authoritarian follower at all times?" Or maybe "Is it ok to have more than one physics?"
CJR | 3:04 p.m. May 3, 2008
It is encouraging to see a journalistic piece on this issue that is willing to
take seriously the empirical evidence that Prof Jones et al continue to
discover. Prof Jones, you have my admiration & gratitude - your service to
this country is an example to us all.
Dr. William Bennett | 3:07 p.m. May 3, 2008
Why do we keep hearing about the temperature that steel melts at? Steel becomes
pliable and looses its strength far below the temperature that it melts at.
Every single article that rants about the melting point of steel is sloppy and
irresponsible fearmongering pseudojournalism
Nic | 3:22 p.m. May 3, 2008
"The melting point of steel is not the point at which it fails. Steel
undergoes a phase change at about 740 degC. Even before then, it begins to
become more maleable."
Temperature of air (flame) and temperature of steel are 2 different things. This still does not explain the fact that steel was melted.
"The "pancakeing" of the trade centres was preceded by a shock wave that propagated ahead of the collapse zone. There were no shaped charges involved."
There was not pancaking. Everything was blown outward.
"Iron-rich spheres and red-gray chips could be created by processes very similar to those generated by shaped charges. Could not the traces of explosives that were allegedly found be left over from the previous bombing in '93?"
This is ridiculous.
"The conspiracy that you are claiming implies a level of intellegence, coordination and sophistication that, quite frankly, the american people do not possess."
No one thinks the American people were responsible for 9/11...
"IMHO, bin Laden had 10 times more intellegence than your average conspiracy candidate."
You know what they say about opinions...
Temperature of air (flame) and temperature of steel are 2 different things. This still does not explain the fact that steel was melted.
"The "pancakeing" of the trade centres was preceded by a shock wave that propagated ahead of the collapse zone. There were no shaped charges involved."
There was not pancaking. Everything was blown outward.
"Iron-rich spheres and red-gray chips could be created by processes very similar to those generated by shaped charges. Could not the traces of explosives that were allegedly found be left over from the previous bombing in '93?"
This is ridiculous.
"The conspiracy that you are claiming implies a level of intellegence, coordination and sophistication that, quite frankly, the american people do not possess."
No one thinks the American people were responsible for 9/11...
"IMHO, bin Laden had 10 times more intellegence than your average conspiracy candidate."
You know what they say about opinions...
John | 3:33 p.m. May 3, 2008
dar7yl - It is abundantly clear that you need to do some reading. Even NIST has
rejected the "pancake collapse" scenario. It is simply not a feasible
explanation for the collapses. Probably not a good idea to bring it up if
you're meaning to sound educated on the subject.
I am in total support of Dr. Jones. I wish him the best in his research and I look forward to the day when the ignorant masses open their eyes. Look around. It has already begun.
I am in total support of Dr. Jones. I wish him the best in his research and I look forward to the day when the ignorant masses open their eyes. Look around. It has already begun.
Kooks everywhere | 3:35 p.m. May 3, 2008
Utah with polygamists, multilayer sales, fraud capital of the US, and now this
kook. What a place?
Harriot | 4:12 p.m. May 3, 2008
It's really nice to see the truth finally getting out. The Neocon takeover
of Washington and Media was crowned with the the Sept. 11th attacks.
We've been living in a propaganda blackout of real issues ever since.. the likes of 1984.
We've been living in a propaganda blackout of real issues ever since.. the likes of 1984.
Carl | 5:06 p.m. May 3, 2008
The hardest part to swallow, if there was an intentional insider plot: it would
take dozens of people, if not many hundreds, to pull it off; how could anyone
keep them all quiet?
Are they writing their books now, just waiting to be first to sell the story to the networks?
Are they writing their books now, just waiting to be first to sell the story to the networks?
Student | 5:16 p.m. May 3, 2008
I had Dr. Jones as a teacher in Physics 8 years ago and I thought he was great.
I am a proffesional engineer now and it breaks my heart to see this man dedicate
so much time to something that is obviously wrong. Just watch the tapes of the
planes hitting the towers and you will know what really happened. It is either
that or Goerge Bush and Bin Landen are best buds and the world doesn't know
it. It doesn't take a Ph.D, it takes a few seconds of reasonable thought to
see the truth.
Oklahoma City | 5:21 p.m. May 3, 2008
I hadn't read before about this research, but I did read years ago about
the letters that a retired military officer whose speciality was demolition sent
to members of Congress asking them to please do an investigation of the Oklahoma
City Bombing site before the remains of the building were destroyed. The
government refused to investigate and the remains were destroyed. It does make
me wonder why people seem afraid of research and investigation. Do we fear more
knowledge?
Another Student | 5:33 p.m. May 3, 2008
It doesnt take a Phd, its takes a few seconds of reasonable thought to see that
the buildings fell at the speed of gravity.
It only takes a few moments to listen to firefighters and demolition experts seeing molten metal.
THIS IS EVIDENCE YOU ALL HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
If you're going to debate the causes of the collapses, you have to take into account ALL OF THE EVIDENCE.
Is that so unreasonable?
Free fall collapse.
Concrete pulveried in mid air.
Visible squibs and demolition wave.
Molten metal witnessed.
Formerly molten iron-rich spheres that match the chemical composition of thermite.
Red/Grey chips that match the chemical composition of thermite.
Giant pyroclastic-like surging debris clouds.
It only takes a few moments to listen to firefighters and demolition experts seeing molten metal.
THIS IS EVIDENCE YOU ALL HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
If you're going to debate the causes of the collapses, you have to take into account ALL OF THE EVIDENCE.
Is that so unreasonable?
Free fall collapse.
Concrete pulveried in mid air.
Visible squibs and demolition wave.
Molten metal witnessed.
Formerly molten iron-rich spheres that match the chemical composition of thermite.
Red/Grey chips that match the chemical composition of thermite.
Giant pyroclastic-like surging debris clouds.
Ekim | 5:34 p.m. May 3, 2008
Would Mr. Jones please produce some conspirators who did this dastardly deed.
How could anyone keep this a secret?
BYU was wise to separate themselves from this nut-job.
How could anyone keep this a secret?
BYU was wise to separate themselves from this nut-job.
Alex | 5:35 p.m. May 3, 2008
Seriously, what a buffoon. Check out the history of oil tanker explosions and
bridges, like say oohhhhh, Oakland in 2007. Does he not think that 1000C
won't affect the tensile strength of Steel? Think of what happens when You
have 30 stories of weight suddenly falling upon a structure. It's a very
big hammer for a very collapsable nail.
General Google | 5:38 p.m. May 3, 2008
Doesn't anyone remember that Jones was the very same BYU professor involved
in the cold fusion debacle a while back? While his opinion of the value of cold
fusion was more tempered than his UofU counterparts, he was still pushing this
technology at the time.
Karl | 5:38 p.m. May 3, 2008
At BYU I learned that some things can only be understood through prayer. I have
prayed about this subject and I know there is more to the story than just the
plane strikes. I hope Dr. Jones finds the answers.
Thank you ! | 5:44 p.m. May 3, 2008
First off I would like to thank DN for printing this story! My hats off to you.
Second off thank you "suspicious patriot 10:19" for the
"september clues" ref just watched them. Horray Dr. Jones!
Keep fighting the good fight.
Raul
Keep fighting the good fight.
Raul
zica | 5:48 p.m. May 3, 2008
Hey, Student,
Could you please tell us what it is that really happened to the WTC Towers and WTC7?
I've watched the video of the planes hitting the Towers (not WTC7), the buildings stabilizing, the short cool black smoke fires, and the ensuing explosion of the point of plane impact and everything above and below it. Before that top section had a chance to smash the building (that's funny - 10% smashing 90% (90% with thicker core columns)) to the ground in 10 seconds, it was gone.
I just can't figure it out.
What about the spheres and chips that show explosive residue both exploded and unexploded?
Please try to give us a response which uses some of the professional engineering background that you have.
And, if you feel that way about your former professor, why don't you send him a note and discuss it with him?
Thanks in advance.
Could you please tell us what it is that really happened to the WTC Towers and WTC7?
I've watched the video of the planes hitting the Towers (not WTC7), the buildings stabilizing, the short cool black smoke fires, and the ensuing explosion of the point of plane impact and everything above and below it. Before that top section had a chance to smash the building (that's funny - 10% smashing 90% (90% with thicker core columns)) to the ground in 10 seconds, it was gone.
I just can't figure it out.
What about the spheres and chips that show explosive residue both exploded and unexploded?
Please try to give us a response which uses some of the professional engineering background that you have.
And, if you feel that way about your former professor, why don't you send him a note and discuss it with him?
Thanks in advance.
Keep Them Quiet | 5:52 p.m. May 3, 2008
To all those who question this theory only because of the sheer number of people
involved and how they would all be keeping quiet:
If you were, in fact, willing to destroy a great number of buildings with thousands of people working inside of them, I don't see how you would have a problem with killing hundreds of people who helped to destroy said buildings.
If you were, in fact, willing to destroy a great number of buildings with thousands of people working inside of them, I don't see how you would have a problem with killing hundreds of people who helped to destroy said buildings.
Truth | 6:14 p.m. May 3, 2008
I knew this from the beginning. I think the intelligent side of America has
always known.
Say that it IS an inside job. Say that the evidence could turn out to prove something at least different than the reported story.
Under that impression wouldn't the government want to at least prove him wrong?
The biggest problem here is that so many don't want to work with Jones. Why not? Learning the truth doesn't consist of "I don't want to listen to your opinion, only mine" Yet so many Utahans and others have given this opinion.
The most powerful military with a building which has more surveillance than ANY OTHER IN THE WORLD could not show more coverage of the military H.Q.
Scientific proof is getting ignored even by Jones fellow colleagues because it doesn't fit with the 'way of Utah life'.
I'm LDS. I am no Rep. or Dem. anymore. I'm Paleo-Conservative. I do not support Bush's war for his Dad's work. I do not support Bush's oil ties. I do not support our forcing democracy as it is NOT something you can force.
I believe in Agency, seeking truth, and things that are good. This is the LDS way.
Say that it IS an inside job. Say that the evidence could turn out to prove something at least different than the reported story.
Under that impression wouldn't the government want to at least prove him wrong?
The biggest problem here is that so many don't want to work with Jones. Why not? Learning the truth doesn't consist of "I don't want to listen to your opinion, only mine" Yet so many Utahans and others have given this opinion.
The most powerful military with a building which has more surveillance than ANY OTHER IN THE WORLD could not show more coverage of the military H.Q.
Scientific proof is getting ignored even by Jones fellow colleagues because it doesn't fit with the 'way of Utah life'.
I'm LDS. I am no Rep. or Dem. anymore. I'm Paleo-Conservative. I do not support Bush's war for his Dad's work. I do not support Bush's oil ties. I do not support our forcing democracy as it is NOT something you can force.
I believe in Agency, seeking truth, and things that are good. This is the LDS way.
Patricia Parrish Lewis | 6:14 p.m. May 3, 2008
I know Dr. Steve Jones and his wife, having met them when he was in school at
Vanderbilt and we were all young Latter-day Saints in The Tennessee, Nashville
Stake of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints. His reputation,
morally, academically, and spiritually, is beyond reproach. He is grounded in
wisdom, and not given to flights of fantasy. His theories bear examination.
His wife and he have been in my prayers ever since his initial research per the
WTC was published. He is kind, soft spoken, brilliant and a scientist who bases
his studies on solid research and not conjecture.
Humbly Yours | 6:15 p.m. May 3, 2008
To Alex who says: "Think of what happens when you have 30 stories of
weight suddenly falling upon a structure. It's a very big hammer for a
very collapsible nail."
Your physics are faulty. Talk to Newton.
Stack 10 of ANYTHING on top of each other - milk cartons, tissue boxes, refrigerators, boxcars, houses - and 1/10th of that stack will NOT fall through the other 9/10ths at free-fall speed.
The mass of 1/10 is simply not as great as the mass of the other 9/10ths below it - PERIOD!
Gadiantons wear suites and ties and have infested the freest government on the earth. Mormon and Moroni have been trying to tell you...
Your physics are faulty. Talk to Newton.
Stack 10 of ANYTHING on top of each other - milk cartons, tissue boxes, refrigerators, boxcars, houses - and 1/10th of that stack will NOT fall through the other 9/10ths at free-fall speed.
The mass of 1/10 is simply not as great as the mass of the other 9/10ths below it - PERIOD!
Gadiantons wear suites and ties and have infested the freest government on the earth. Mormon and Moroni have been trying to tell you...
Patrick Curley | 6:43 p.m. May 3, 2008
Dr Jones somehow fails to mention that his peer-reviewed paper consisted of
points where he agrees with the official story. Nothing of his
super-nano-thermate theories made it into his paper. As for the bit about
"We are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse,"
it's a classic Truther bit of quote mining. Some of the other sentences
that Dr Jones doesn't want you to know about:
"In the case of the WTC Towers, NIST has established that the failures initiated in the floors affected by the aircraft impact damage and the ensuing fires resulted in the collapse of the towers. This conclusion is supported by a large body of visual evidence collected by NIST. Your letter suggests that NIST should have used computer models to analyze the collapse of the towers. NIST carried its analysis to the point where the buildings reached global instability. At this point, because of the magnitude of the deflections and the number of failures occuring, the computer models are not able to converge on a solution."
Because too much was going on at the time. Dr Jones apparently wants to know what happened to each molecule of the WTC.
"In the case of the WTC Towers, NIST has established that the failures initiated in the floors affected by the aircraft impact damage and the ensuing fires resulted in the collapse of the towers. This conclusion is supported by a large body of visual evidence collected by NIST. Your letter suggests that NIST should have used computer models to analyze the collapse of the towers. NIST carried its analysis to the point where the buildings reached global instability. At this point, because of the magnitude of the deflections and the number of failures occuring, the computer models are not able to converge on a solution."
Because too much was going on at the time. Dr Jones apparently wants to know what happened to each molecule of the WTC.
AJFan | 6:48 p.m. May 3, 2008
Google "WTC BBC" and you can watch the BBC report that Building 7
collapsed 23 minutes before it actually fell. The building can seen behind the
reporter as she describes its collapse.
Aaron Brown of CNN did the same thing. Its obvious that they were reading from a prepared script and for some reason delivered it prematurely.
There is no evidence backing up the official story. That's why supporters of the official story have to resort to crude ad hominem attacks on decent men like Stephen Jones.
Aaron Brown of CNN did the same thing. Its obvious that they were reading from a prepared script and for some reason delivered it prematurely.
There is no evidence backing up the official story. That's why supporters of the official story have to resort to crude ad hominem attacks on decent men like Stephen Jones.
Paul Morrison | 7:20 p.m. May 3, 2008
Why does it NOT surprise me that BYU wants to autrisize those who think outside
the LDS/Government Offical thinking and texts. I can remember when BYU did not
want certain research groups on their campus nor any affiliation with them, ie:
F.A.R.M.S. because it was to scientific in their approach with reseach and not
faith based. Fortunately, I don't live in the States and have to put up
with all mis-information that the U.S. government spoons out to the masses.
Maybe the day the LDS church will stop caving into pressure and stand up and
have the guts to go after the truth or let others go after it and do the
research and studying that needs to be done. What is there to hide, the truth.
And maybe that is the catch after all!! Remember, there were no weapons on mass
destruction with Saddam Hussein, yet Bush lied his way to the U.S. population
that there were.
JATCA69 | 7:22 p.m. May 3, 2008
I would venture to say that one of the biggest accomplishments of the
"truth movement" is the investigation that has ensued. It's kinda
funny, we clamor for a new independent investigation, when all along the
movement has been doing just that. "Truthers" can stand quite proudly
on the movements accomplishment of backing up their platform with facts, science
and historical perspective. It is with that knowledge that those who have
ventured down this very dark and sad hole cry with frustration for justice. We
know that we tempt our own fate when exposing truth to power, this is a chance
we must take. This is a patriot's calling. This is a human rights calling.
TruthWillSetUFree | 7:30 p.m. May 3, 2008
Suspects: Dov Zakheim; Project for a New American Century; Silverstein; Cheney;
Rumsfeld; Northrop Grumman; Bush Family; Kissinger; Ken Lay; CFR; Rockefeller;
etc. Why did it take 422 days for an official investigation to start? Why was
Kissinger asked to lead the investigation? Why did he step down? Who Benefits?
Follow the money and you will find the culprit. This is not a conspiracy theory,
it is a criminal investigation. Don't stop until we find the perps. This
act of treason and murder will be punished. Live free or die a slave.
Ron | 7:51 p.m. May 3, 2008
This sounds like who should be blamed for Pearl Harbor all over again.
eyeswideoopen | 7:56 p.m. May 3, 2008
Ekim, Not all of the 9/11 researchers are scientists focused on the collapse.
Some of us have done a lot of research to formulate a theory of the crime that
fits the evidence - something which the official version does not do. What is
needed now is a Grand Jury - and maybe several Grand Juries empaneled so that
subpoenas can be issued and a real investigation into the 9/11 can be done. It
is imperative for this process to be open to the public. There were government
officials involved but whether they knew the real nature of their part in the
scheme must be determined. Our government has become so deceptive and secretive
that in order to get to the bottom of this, everybody needs to lay out on the
table exactly what they were doing and what they were told - both before and
after 9/11. The future of this nation depends on finding out who really is
behind 9/11. 9/11 is a festering, gangrenous wound that needs to be thoroughly
cleaned out in order for us to survive as a nation.
willyloman | 8:14 p.m. May 3, 2008
Dr. Jones;
I hope you are still checking this site and these comments. I want to thank you for all your selfless work on this topic. The "Truth" movement as well as the American people owe you a debt of gratitude; You, Richard Gage, Kevin Ryan, and all the others working hard to shed light on the facts of 9/11 have done so at your own risk. You have been attacked, condemned, ridiculed, and lied about, but you have all continued with the important work of conducting this investigation, and I for one thank you for your diligence and your commitment.
I would like to ask you if you have considered the primer cord that had to have connected the cutter charges? This primer cord or detonator cord is itself an explosive used in the demolition industry, and it is what they use to break up the concrete floor systems.
Surely this type of explosive has a unique signature just like the Thermite has, and considering the amount of concrete pulverized, allot of it must have been used.
I hope you are still checking this site and these comments. I want to thank you for all your selfless work on this topic. The "Truth" movement as well as the American people owe you a debt of gratitude; You, Richard Gage, Kevin Ryan, and all the others working hard to shed light on the facts of 9/11 have done so at your own risk. You have been attacked, condemned, ridiculed, and lied about, but you have all continued with the important work of conducting this investigation, and I for one thank you for your diligence and your commitment.
I would like to ask you if you have considered the primer cord that had to have connected the cutter charges? This primer cord or detonator cord is itself an explosive used in the demolition industry, and it is what they use to break up the concrete floor systems.
Surely this type of explosive has a unique signature just like the Thermite has, and considering the amount of concrete pulverized, allot of it must have been used.
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