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Feds are stymied in probes of FLDS
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Re: teen pregnancy | 12:13 p.m. May 2, 2008
Good point. Don't forget a lot of the teen pregnancies in inner cities are
the result of the teens' own actions. Not some old man telling them if they
don't "marry" this other old man they are going to hell.
Warren Jeffs | 12:25 p.m. May 2, 2008
Warren was suspected of having 70-90 wives, some put that number higher! DNA
will ID many of the children to be Warren's and for those young mothers to
claim these children, warren could face additional charges. Those girls with
children born prior to May 1st 2007, who were under age at that time, were
marriages officiated by Warren Jeffs prior to his Aug. 28th 2006 capture in
Nevada.
I think Warren could face new and added charges. After all where are his 70 plus wives, and posibly 100 children? If not Texas, then where are they? Wait for the DNA you rocking chair experts!
I think Warren could face new and added charges. After all where are his 70 plus wives, and posibly 100 children? If not Texas, then where are they? Wait for the DNA you rocking chair experts!
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To Any FLDS Blogger Man | 12:25 p.m. May 2, 2008
I don't think that everything has been handled exactly right, but I will
never in my mind be okay with the fact that the young girls are having sex with
older men. Even if it happens across the USA and both consent. There's
simply no justification in my mind. It's called sex abuse, and it's
wrong. When are you going to stop writing statistics up here about kids across
America? It doesn't matter. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Yearning for Justice | 12:25 p.m. May 2, 2008
at first i thought it was amusing to read all the 'strawman' logic and
idiotic comments made by all the defenders of this sick weirdo pedophilia
cult.
there will be federal pandering charges...just wait and see.
possibly RICO action as well
everyone take a breath and let the chips fall as they may
there will be federal pandering charges...just wait and see.
possibly RICO action as well
everyone take a breath and let the chips fall as they may
just wondering | 12:34 p.m. May 2, 2008
Deborah Palfrey had her bank account seized and house taken by FBI even though
prostitution is a state crime,
you see?
altman ....man from FBI are evil.. proof: they will not devote a task force to do their job to protect children BEFORE they are sexually abused and turn to prostitutes, they will only prosecute the female children when they become adults and try to at least get some money out of their abuses by becoming prostitutes
by the way.... what does it take to have these FLDS men's bank account and properties seized and get those charges put through court : WELFARE FRAUD, BIGAMY, INCEST, POLITICAL LEGISLATURE MANIPULATION, RAPE, THEFT(reasigned children, women, house, monies-by-millions taken from large number of outcased men taken), and also there should be some law against defemation of America and her flag: WARREN JEFFS spouts in print and sermons against America, what about no red color, no stripes -
hello ? American flag: red stripes ?
are you all in FBI stupid&evil or just some
you see?
altman ....man from FBI are evil.. proof: they will not devote a task force to do their job to protect children BEFORE they are sexually abused and turn to prostitutes, they will only prosecute the female children when they become adults and try to at least get some money out of their abuses by becoming prostitutes
by the way.... what does it take to have these FLDS men's bank account and properties seized and get those charges put through court : WELFARE FRAUD, BIGAMY, INCEST, POLITICAL LEGISLATURE MANIPULATION, RAPE, THEFT(reasigned children, women, house, monies-by-millions taken from large number of outcased men taken), and also there should be some law against defemation of America and her flag: WARREN JEFFS spouts in print and sermons against America, what about no red color, no stripes -
hello ? American flag: red stripes ?
are you all in FBI stupid&evil or just some
Warren Jeffs Confession!! | 12:34 p.m. May 2, 2008
You seem to forget the Warren Jeffs confession in the news, he admitted his
guilt in detail. What part of that don't you get?
Oh yeah, he changed his mind and that erases a full confession. Maybe the the trial we watched on the news wasn't real, he was convicted wasn't he?
The Rodney Holm conviction?
6 convictions in Arizona, Dale Barlow pleaded no contest last year to unlawful sex with a minor.
Dan Barlow jr got 13 days for molesting 4 daughters and confessed!
Johnny Jessop & Clyde Mackert on the sec registry!
Where the heck do you get your news?
The cases of convictions, what do they count as, if you say these people are innocent? Warren Jeffs admitted molesting a sister and a daughter and knew he was being recorded, WHAT FLAW IN YOUR ABILITY TO REASON, TELLS YOU, A CONFESSION DOESN'T COUNT?
Oh yeah, he changed his mind and that erases a full confession. Maybe the the trial we watched on the news wasn't real, he was convicted wasn't he?
The Rodney Holm conviction?
6 convictions in Arizona, Dale Barlow pleaded no contest last year to unlawful sex with a minor.
Dan Barlow jr got 13 days for molesting 4 daughters and confessed!
Johnny Jessop & Clyde Mackert on the sec registry!
Where the heck do you get your news?
The cases of convictions, what do they count as, if you say these people are innocent? Warren Jeffs admitted molesting a sister and a daughter and knew he was being recorded, WHAT FLAW IN YOUR ABILITY TO REASON, TELLS YOU, A CONFESSION DOESN'T COUNT?
Greg | 12:37 p.m. May 2, 2008
I think the Arizona-Utah people haven't acted because they see polygamy
being legalized if they did.
A note. Polygamy is legal in Britain if you were married in a country where it was legal and then moved to the UK.
We men would be out of luck if the girls had a greater choice for husbands.
A note. Polygamy is legal in Britain if you were married in a country where it was legal and then moved to the UK.
We men would be out of luck if the girls had a greater choice for husbands.
NICHOLAS | 12:41 p.m. May 2, 2008
All I say is "whoops!"
cheese | 12:43 p.m. May 2, 2008
That pesty CONSTITUTION just keeps getting in the way of all you
ladies'(Mark Skirtlift et al)plans. What about your oath of office, Mark(to
DEFEND the Constitution of the United States Against all ENEMIES foreign or
DOMESTIC!!!)What part of "Congress shall make no laws respecting an
establishment of religion or PROHIBITTING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF"
don't you ladies understand?!!
Utah | 12:47 p.m. May 2, 2008
double speak for: "we will turn the other way" ... why? .... fill in
the blank ________.
All the MORE reason for the feds to step in!
All the MORE reason for the feds to step in!
Uh oh | 12:54 p.m. May 2, 2008
Rumor has it that Planned Parenthood has a believe system that encourages teens
and mothers all over the country to abuse children, but the Feds are not able to
investigate due to privacy laws.
re: cheese | 12:55 p.m. May 2, 2008
What part of protecting children from child abuse don't you understand?
Abusing children, even in the guise of a "religious belief," in not a Constitutional right.
Abusing children, even in the guise of a "religious belief," in not a Constitutional right.
G | 12:57 p.m. May 2, 2008
Why didn't the Feds just launch a raid over a hoaxed phone call? Did they
not want to take the risk?
Dr. Phil said this | 12:59 p.m. May 2, 2008
Larry King: Let's turn to the polygamy matter. If the allegations of abuse
are true, do you see any problem with all of these children in foster care?
Dr. Phil McGraw: I see huge problems with it, Larry. I think we're in a situation here that there is not necessarily a good option. Now, think about this: there are only a certain number of these children that were believed to be at risk. But, yet, all of the children were taken out and put into foster care.
Now, I've said this before, the statistics tell us that 73 percent of all children that go into foster care wind up on the street or in jail. So, that means that if you apply those numbers to these 416 children, 304 of them would be predicted to wind up on the street or in jail. Is that a good alternative? And I don't think it is. And I don't think that it makes sense to take all of the children out of this situation without doing a case-by-case study, to see which one of these children are at risk and which ones are not.
Dr. Phil McGraw: I see huge problems with it, Larry. I think we're in a situation here that there is not necessarily a good option. Now, think about this: there are only a certain number of these children that were believed to be at risk. But, yet, all of the children were taken out and put into foster care.
Now, I've said this before, the statistics tell us that 73 percent of all children that go into foster care wind up on the street or in jail. So, that means that if you apply those numbers to these 416 children, 304 of them would be predicted to wind up on the street or in jail. Is that a good alternative? And I don't think it is. And I don't think that it makes sense to take all of the children out of this situation without doing a case-by-case study, to see which one of these children are at risk and which ones are not.
wrz | 1:00 p.m. May 2, 2008
>>"incarcerated by the government"???
Germany was sending the Jews to concentration camps to be exterminated.
Texas was freeing the children from the clutches of predatory old men who were using them as sex slaves.<<
Which shows there are a verity of excuses that are used to violate human rights.
These women and children were taken against their will.
If the government wants to catch criminals, it should, uh, go after the criminals.
Germany was sending the Jews to concentration camps to be exterminated.
Texas was freeing the children from the clutches of predatory old men who were using them as sex slaves.<<
Which shows there are a verity of excuses that are used to violate human rights.
These women and children were taken against their will.
If the government wants to catch criminals, it should, uh, go after the criminals.
DEPERSONALIZATION R US | 1:01 p.m. May 2, 2008
DICtionary lesson:
Depersonalization
(from wwiikkiippeeddiaa)
Individuals who experience depersonalization feel divorced from both the world and from their own identity and physicality. Often a person who has experienced depersonalization claims that life "feels like a movie" or things seem unreal or hazy. Also a recognition of self breaks down (hence the name). DP can result in very high anxiety levels, which further increase these perceptions.
One way to describe the physical manifestation of the feeling is to compare it to a film technique called the vertigo shot or dolly zoom. In this technique, the subject of the picture stays fixed on the shot while all the surrounding background is pulled away - providing a sense of vertigo or detachment. People may perceive this feeling in a cyclical manner, where the feeling is experienced back-to-back in succession.
Sometimes the physical manifestation is more like a strobe light of the senses. Information is processed at a much more staggered rate and therefore the subject feels as though his or her senses are being distorted and fragmented.
Depersonalization
(from wwiikkiippeeddiaa)
Individuals who experience depersonalization feel divorced from both the world and from their own identity and physicality. Often a person who has experienced depersonalization claims that life "feels like a movie" or things seem unreal or hazy. Also a recognition of self breaks down (hence the name). DP can result in very high anxiety levels, which further increase these perceptions.
One way to describe the physical manifestation of the feeling is to compare it to a film technique called the vertigo shot or dolly zoom. In this technique, the subject of the picture stays fixed on the shot while all the surrounding background is pulled away - providing a sense of vertigo or detachment. People may perceive this feeling in a cyclical manner, where the feeling is experienced back-to-back in succession.
Sometimes the physical manifestation is more like a strobe light of the senses. Information is processed at a much more staggered rate and therefore the subject feels as though his or her senses are being distorted and fragmented.
Alex | 1:05 p.m. May 2, 2008
Greg:
"I think the Arizona-Utah people haven't acted because they see polygamy being legalized if they did. "
I think you understand something that many don't think about. Consider that in order to arrest someone who is a polygamist, you have to arrest them for unlawful cohabitation--not polygamy. Why? Because polygamists don't have their other marriages registered with the state, so technically, in the eyes of the law, the FLDS do not practice polygamy.
Now if you go ahead and try to get the FLDS for polygamy using unlawful cohabitation and it goes to court, you now have problems with equal protection. After all, anybody who has had sexual relations with more than one person in their lives is guilty of unlawful cohabitation, and thus polygamists.
"I think the Arizona-Utah people haven't acted because they see polygamy being legalized if they did. "
I think you understand something that many don't think about. Consider that in order to arrest someone who is a polygamist, you have to arrest them for unlawful cohabitation--not polygamy. Why? Because polygamists don't have their other marriages registered with the state, so technically, in the eyes of the law, the FLDS do not practice polygamy.
Now if you go ahead and try to get the FLDS for polygamy using unlawful cohabitation and it goes to court, you now have problems with equal protection. After all, anybody who has had sexual relations with more than one person in their lives is guilty of unlawful cohabitation, and thus polygamists.
Re: G | 1:06 p.m. May 2, 2008
"Why didn't the Feds just launch a raid over a hoaxed phone
call?"
We should pass laws to prevent authorities from investigating any hoax calls. Then they wouldn't waste so much time investigating leads. Only allegations that have been proven in a court of law should be investigated.
We should pass laws to prevent authorities from investigating any hoax calls. Then they wouldn't waste so much time investigating leads. Only allegations that have been proven in a court of law should be investigated.
David S | 1:09 p.m. May 2, 2008
Due process is the right of free people and the cost of avoiding tyranny in the
name of the law.
Due process protects the innocent and, as this article points out, makes it harder to prosecute the guilty. That is the give and take and it results in a safer overal society.
When the temptation strikes to cast due process aside because the patience and effort required to investigate seem too great, that is when we see to what extent we love freedom and the rule of law.
Until specific charges are leveled at specific parents, a respect for due process demands the children be returned.
Due process protects the innocent and, as this article points out, makes it harder to prosecute the guilty. That is the give and take and it results in a safer overal society.
When the temptation strikes to cast due process aside because the patience and effort required to investigate seem too great, that is when we see to what extent we love freedom and the rule of law.
Until specific charges are leveled at specific parents, a respect for due process demands the children be returned.
To Just Wondering | 1:09 p.m. May 2, 2008
Money Laundering and Racketeering are indeed not state but FEDERAL crimes in the
case of Deborah Palfrey. I wonder if money laundering will also apply to the
FLDS community.
How many generations has your family been FLDS?
How many generations has your family been FLDS?
Re: wrz | 1:10 p.m. May 2, 2008
"These women and children were taken against their will."
The women went willingly; they had a choice.
The girls were forced (to marry old men); now that they're free, they will have a choice.
The women went willingly; they had a choice.
The girls were forced (to marry old men); now that they're free, they will have a choice.
Victor Stans | 1:12 p.m. May 2, 2008
The polygamists and their deseret news defender fans are hiding behind
fabricated doubts. There are no doubts as to the illegalities that exist in
those communities, including the sham of their mormon plural marriage beliefs.
These communities are run for and operated by sexual deviants and it's time
to close them down, protect the innocents and end all abuses of the law by the
likes of Warren Jeffs.
Missed the point... | 1:18 p.m. May 2, 2008
"We should pass laws to prevent authorities from investigating any hoax
calls. Then they wouldn't waste so much time investigating leads. Only
allegations that have been proven in a court of law should be
investigated."
Apparently Texas' standards are a lot lower than the FBI's when it comes to getting a search warrant, if the FBI has been "stymied" all these years. That would seem to imply either a lack of professionalism among CPS social workers or an excessive caution on behalf FBI agents. After comparing the qualifications needed to work at each place, (CPS vs. FBI), it's pretty obvious which horse wins. It's not the amateurs.
Apparently Texas' standards are a lot lower than the FBI's when it comes to getting a search warrant, if the FBI has been "stymied" all these years. That would seem to imply either a lack of professionalism among CPS social workers or an excessive caution on behalf FBI agents. After comparing the qualifications needed to work at each place, (CPS vs. FBI), it's pretty obvious which horse wins. It's not the amateurs.
Specific parents | 1:20 p.m. May 2, 2008
Well, if the FLDS had not repeatedly changed their stories about the parentage
of individual names of children, parentage, and ages some of the children might
already have been returned to said parents. Because the FLDS failed AS ONE
UNITED FRONT to answer honestly DNA is now being required.
Re: David S | 1:22 p.m. May 2, 2008
"Due process is the right of free people and the cost of avoiding tyranny
in the name of the law."
The basic problem with your argument is your choice of actors.
In this case, the rights of the children (who have no advocate within the walls of the FLDS compound) trump the tyranny of the FLDS leaders who are breaking the law.
Unlike the children before this raid, the FLDS leaders and parents will get their due process and, if no abuse is found, their children will be returned to them.
The basic problem with your argument is your choice of actors.
In this case, the rights of the children (who have no advocate within the walls of the FLDS compound) trump the tyranny of the FLDS leaders who are breaking the law.
Unlike the children before this raid, the FLDS leaders and parents will get their due process and, if no abuse is found, their children will be returned to them.
Freethinker | 1:23 p.m. May 2, 2008
If he feels compelled to "mess with Texas," Harry Reid would do well
to focus his attention on that
outlaw from Crawford rather than on an apparently harmless religious group in Eldorado. And its encouraging to learn that at least one branch of government, the FBI, still believes in the rule of law. Could it be that it found no reason to go after the FLDS because no laws were being broken by FLDS members?
It may be that when all the facts are known some of you who are demanding the scalps of FLDS members, before any concrete evidence of crimes has been presented, may have to eat crow.
outlaw from Crawford rather than on an apparently harmless religious group in Eldorado. And its encouraging to learn that at least one branch of government, the FBI, still believes in the rule of law. Could it be that it found no reason to go after the FLDS because no laws were being broken by FLDS members?
It may be that when all the facts are known some of you who are demanding the scalps of FLDS members, before any concrete evidence of crimes has been presented, may have to eat crow.
Alex | 1:23 p.m. May 2, 2008
Re: G:
"Only allegations that have been proven in a court of law should be investigated. "
How can anything be proven in a court of law if there are not first allegations? Furthermore, how can proof be established if allegations cannot be first be investigated based upon reasonable suspicion? The law calls for probable cause, not absolute proof to start a legal proceeding like this.
That said, my view on this case is one of caution and concern for our Constitutional rights. I am very uneasy with the handling of this case, due mainly to the way the whole compound was taken into custody on the basis of a phone call from a person, whom we can't identify, and whose allegations are uncorroborated thus far.
In short, the state of Texas had better be spot on right. That is the only way they can clear themselves.
"Only allegations that have been proven in a court of law should be investigated. "
How can anything be proven in a court of law if there are not first allegations? Furthermore, how can proof be established if allegations cannot be first be investigated based upon reasonable suspicion? The law calls for probable cause, not absolute proof to start a legal proceeding like this.
That said, my view on this case is one of caution and concern for our Constitutional rights. I am very uneasy with the handling of this case, due mainly to the way the whole compound was taken into custody on the basis of a phone call from a person, whom we can't identify, and whose allegations are uncorroborated thus far.
In short, the state of Texas had better be spot on right. That is the only way they can clear themselves.
Return kids to parents | 1:28 p.m. May 2, 2008
I can't help but believe that many posting are FLDS. Why, because they
keep insisting that the children be returned to their parents. The problem is
that ALL the FLDS lied as to who the parents of the kids belong. If Mary
insists she is Johnny's mom, then Sara insists she is Johnny's mom we
know immediately that one or both are lying. So what is CPS to do? Should they
hire a bus and let the kids off at the compound instead of to actual parents as
you pretend to suggest? Of course not. First we need to attach children to
specific and biological parents for return, if it is determined safe to do so.
Re: Victor Stans | 1:31 p.m. May 2, 2008
"mormon plural marriage beliefs"???
The FLDS are not Mormons and their excommunicated Mormon founders strayed from their Mormon beliefs a hundred years ago. They started their own FLDS church and their beliefs are strictly their own.
The FLDS are not Mormons and their excommunicated Mormon founders strayed from their Mormon beliefs a hundred years ago. They started their own FLDS church and their beliefs are strictly their own.
an evil dogma | 1:31 p.m. May 2, 2008
The awesome power of brainwashing.
When you can capture their soul -
you have them where you want them.
When you can capture their soul -
you have them where you want them.
Dr Phil and his opinion | 1:37 p.m. May 2, 2008
Dr. Phil has the right to his opinion no matter how unsound. Yes, foster
children do end up in trouble at a high rate. Because those children come from
abuse, neglectful, and violent homes. Do you realistically think that foster
homes miraculously alter a child that has been abused for years? Of course not,
but it does give them a chance which they didn't have before.
Also, Dr Phil seems to think quite naively that just because girls age 13 and up are abused means that no other children are impacted. That is not the fact. When a child is targeted and battered, even unbattered children in the home develop post traumatic stress for merely witnessing. Baby girls are victims as they are groomed to become child brides, while boys are groomed to perpetrate or be abandoned to hell. That leaves no child untouched.
Also, Dr Phil seems to think quite naively that just because girls age 13 and up are abused means that no other children are impacted. That is not the fact. When a child is targeted and battered, even unbattered children in the home develop post traumatic stress for merely witnessing. Baby girls are victims as they are groomed to become child brides, while boys are groomed to perpetrate or be abandoned to hell. That leaves no child untouched.
FLDS Harmless? | 1:40 p.m. May 2, 2008
Hey Freethinker, I cannot help but believe that you don't read the news
much. You would know that Warren Jeffs is already in jail and that additional
charges have been filed against him. You also might not be aware that many,
many FLDS males have had issues with the law for the very reason that Texas
entered the compound. Do your research, then return when you are enlightened
with fact.
John | 1:40 p.m. May 2, 2008
Agree; Leave these people alone.
Recent CDC studies show 1 in 5 white teen girls have std's, 1 in 2 black teen girls have sexually-transmitted-diseases. We have millions of abortions each year, many to teens.
These FLDS people are much cleaner living than we are, the only fault is that FLDS woman choose to find fulfillment in life by having children and being wives, this is hateful to our feminists, who believe woman should have abortions and unfulfilling draining careers.
Recent CDC studies show 1 in 5 white teen girls have std's, 1 in 2 black teen girls have sexually-transmitted-diseases. We have millions of abortions each year, many to teens.
These FLDS people are much cleaner living than we are, the only fault is that FLDS woman choose to find fulfillment in life by having children and being wives, this is hateful to our feminists, who believe woman should have abortions and unfulfilling draining careers.
re: Missed the point... | 1:42 p.m. May 2, 2008
Not really. If you'd bothered reading the entire article you would have
noticed that a formal Federal investigation hasn't been launched because of
a lack of probable cause regarding Federal laws.
"The crimes that are being alleged or that there is suspicion, these are predominantly state crimes," Tolman said. "I think it's a rush to judgment to think that a federal task force is the answer."
"Child abuse, rape and incest are all state-level crimes. So is bigamy."
"The crimes that are being alleged or that there is suspicion, these are predominantly state crimes," Tolman said. "I think it's a rush to judgment to think that a federal task force is the answer."
"Child abuse, rape and incest are all state-level crimes. So is bigamy."
hello there ! | 1:42 p.m. May 2, 2008
FBI agents ...
meet:
FLDS members with computers and internet
access
meet:
FLDS members with computers and internet
access
To Victor Stans | 1:43 p.m. May 2, 2008
The FLDS are NOT Mormons. They are apostates. I am LDS Mormon and I have to
totally agree with you. They need to go after these polygamist sickos' They
are very evil men. Mormons don't believe in polygamy. At least not that I
am aware of. I have been a member for 2 years. And I really knew nothing about
any polygamy practiced in the church. I plan to look deeper into these
things..
If the LDS church believed in polygamy I think me and my family would leave at a minutes notice. i would never let my daughters be forced to marry old geezers! They will and have the right to pick their own husbands. My whole family is repulsed over this polygamy junk on the news.
If the LDS church believed in polygamy I think me and my family would leave at a minutes notice. i would never let my daughters be forced to marry old geezers! They will and have the right to pick their own husbands. My whole family is repulsed over this polygamy junk on the news.
Mormons | 1:47 p.m. May 2, 2008
The FLDS, RLDS, AUB, Strangites, LDS, and a host of other groups can all be
considered Mormon in that they all accept the Book Of Mormon.
The Strangites actually own the title Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, without the hyphen. So I suppose that makes them the real LDS. Rolls eyes.
The Strangites actually own the title Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, without the hyphen. So I suppose that makes them the real LDS. Rolls eyes.
Re: Alex | 1:53 p.m. May 2, 2008
"How can anything be proven in a court of law if there are not first
allegations?"
You're correct. I was being facetious. Authorities investigate anonymous phone calls every day; many of them turn out to be pranks or hoaxes.
But, even if authorities start an investigation based on a hoax phone call, if they find evidence of a possible crime, that doesn't mean they have to ignore the evidence and stop the investigation simply because the original call was a hoax.
You're correct. I was being facetious. Authorities investigate anonymous phone calls every day; many of them turn out to be pranks or hoaxes.
But, even if authorities start an investigation based on a hoax phone call, if they find evidence of a possible crime, that doesn't mean they have to ignore the evidence and stop the investigation simply because the original call was a hoax.
Hal | 1:57 p.m. May 2, 2008
To John
Just because you think it is right for a 50 year old to rape a 13 year old girl. Is sick! You need to seek professional help. Unless you know all women don't go around making judgments by the way they dress and not fundamental night gowns. Your thinking is weird!
Just because you think it is right for a 50 year old to rape a 13 year old girl. Is sick! You need to seek professional help. Unless you know all women don't go around making judgments by the way they dress and not fundamental night gowns. Your thinking is weird!
The term "Mormon" | 1:57 p.m. May 2, 2008
People who believe in the Book of Mormon and its translator Joseph Smith are
called "Mormons". Folks here saying the FLDS are not Mormons are
likely the folks who were irate when the Baptists said the LDS weren't
Christians (followers of Christ).
PLEASE 2 | 2:00 p.m. May 2, 2008
WHAT PATHETIC EXCUSES AND SICK ATTITUDES TOWARDS THE LAW. IF THE STATE OF TEXAS
AND CPS HAS CONDUCTED AN ENORMOUS INFRINGEMENT OF CIVIL RIGHTS, IT WILL COST
THEM BILLIONS.
THE CPS and LEGISLATORS IN TEXAS ARE NOT COMPLETE TOTAL IDIOTS. Now some of those in the YFZ ranch are another matter.
FOR THOSE THAT TRY TO SICKLY RATIONALIZE THE AUTHORITATIVE STATEMENTS COMING OUT OF TEXAS, YOU NEED TO SEEK HELP FROM THE VERY BEST PSHCHIATRISTS AVAILABLE.
PLEASE SHUT UP!
THE CPS and LEGISLATORS IN TEXAS ARE NOT COMPLETE TOTAL IDIOTS. Now some of those in the YFZ ranch are another matter.
FOR THOSE THAT TRY TO SICKLY RATIONALIZE THE AUTHORITATIVE STATEMENTS COMING OUT OF TEXAS, YOU NEED TO SEEK HELP FROM THE VERY BEST PSHCHIATRISTS AVAILABLE.
PLEASE SHUT UP!
Re: Mormons | 2:02 p.m. May 2, 2008
Stop deliberately trying to confuse the groups. The ONLY group that goes by the
nickname "Mormons" are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-Day Saints.
To all simpletons | 2:05 p.m. May 2, 2008
Rape is rape! To bad FLDS perverts hide behind God to do it.
Finaly catching on | 2:07 p.m. May 2, 2008
I get it, folks, don�t you see that 400+ children going
into a system that has a 30% success rate, simply means that 70% of them will be
abused, will be terrorized, and many of them will Die in the hands of the CPS
and foster homes, but look on the bright side 400 children is a very small price
to pay for Society to Cleanse itself of this inferior life form, most of you
here already agreed with me. Besides Due Process and evidence takes too long.
First Amendment | 2:07 p.m. May 2, 2008
"Baby girls are victims as they are groomed to become child brides, while
boys are groomed to perpetrate or be abandoned to hell. That leaves no child
untouched."
That sort of "grooming" without actual physical abuse is where Texas' First Amendment problem comes into play. Teaching something and practicing something are completely different under the law. Otherwise, you could prosecute (persecute) groups like the Jehovah's Witnesses for merely teaching their children that blood transfusion is spiritually unacceptable. You could punish Jews for teaching genital mutilation (circumcision) and animal sacrifice. The possibilities are vast.
I'm sure the socialists (and socialists at heart) here are drooling at the thought.
G
That sort of "grooming" without actual physical abuse is where Texas' First Amendment problem comes into play. Teaching something and practicing something are completely different under the law. Otherwise, you could prosecute (persecute) groups like the Jehovah's Witnesses for merely teaching their children that blood transfusion is spiritually unacceptable. You could punish Jews for teaching genital mutilation (circumcision) and animal sacrifice. The possibilities are vast.
I'm sure the socialists (and socialists at heart) here are drooling at the thought.
G
Hoax Phone Calls | 2:08 p.m. May 2, 2008
Police are called to investigate a trash bin fire. When they get to the trash
bin, there is no fire (hoax phone call), but they do find a dead body lying in
front of the trash bin.
Should they just ignore the evidence and stop the investigation since the dead body was only discovered because of a hoax phone call?
Should they just ignore the evidence and stop the investigation since the dead body was only discovered because of a hoax phone call?
New member | 2:10 p.m. May 2, 2008
If you think your church doesn't believe in polygamy, ask your bishop this
one question: If a man is married and sealed to a woman in the temple, then she
dies or he divorces her, can a man be married and sealed to another women in the
temple? The answer is yes as is proven by the examples of a few of General
Authorities, Dallin Oaks, L. Tom Perry and Russell M. Nelson as examples. Since
the temple ceremony is for time and all eternity, the man will have all those
wives in the next life if all are faithful to their covenants. Now ask your
bishop this question: use all the same information as above but change man to
woman and women to man. The woman will not be allowed to be sealed a second
time.
G | 2:18 p.m. May 2, 2008
"I get it, folks, don�t you see that 400+ children
going into a system that has a 30% success rate, simply means that 70% of them
will be abused, will be terrorized, and many of them will Die in the hands of
the CPS and foster"
I am NOT a fan of these CPS actions. At all.
But those statistics are misleading. The reason so many CPS kids end up in jail boils down to sample bias: virtually all of them came from broken homes to begin with.
Imagine you're founding a private school, with the best teachers in the country, the best coaches, the best school counselors. You place that school in the ugliest, most crime-ridden neighborhood you can find. You may accomplish miracles there, but if most of your students come from that environment most of your alumni will be criminals. That wouldn't be your fault. CPS is in the same situation.
I am NOT a fan of these CPS actions. At all.
But those statistics are misleading. The reason so many CPS kids end up in jail boils down to sample bias: virtually all of them came from broken homes to begin with.
Imagine you're founding a private school, with the best teachers in the country, the best coaches, the best school counselors. You place that school in the ugliest, most crime-ridden neighborhood you can find. You may accomplish miracles there, but if most of your students come from that environment most of your alumni will be criminals. That wouldn't be your fault. CPS is in the same situation.
Crazy | 2:26 p.m. May 2, 2008
I am so tired of hearing every one yelling "pervert 50 year old wanking a
13 year old" come on people back up your clams� or
shut up. 4 weeks and no arrests, I�m beginning to think the
FLDS are the ones that are being wronged. And if the CPS
doesn�t want this case tried by media, why is there a Daily
smear? The way it�s looking trial by brainwashed media may
be there only hope for a CPS win.
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That only applies in a court of law. Criminal investigators and all us regular folk are free to have opinions. And yes, like it or not circumstantial evidence does convict people all the time. What grade are you in?