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Former FLDS member is sharing her insights on the sect
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ayzel | 2:15 a.m. April 28, 2008
I wonder how many women have actually escaped from this repressing lifestyle. We
mainly see the two Jessop ladies, and it's so easy for people to dismiss
what they're saying. I think it's great that more sect survivors are
speaking up so that those of you who still side with the FLDS can hear the
truth.
L. G. KIRKPATRICK | 2:31 a.m. April 28, 2008
And she gets paid how much (plus transportation, meals, and lodging) for these
"missionary" efforts?
JD | 2:44 a.m. April 28, 2008
I hate to be cynical, but it's hard to believe that Mackert wasn't
intentionally blurring the line between LDS and FLDS. She could have corrected
the false information, but she chose not to. While I am no FLDS supporter, if
Ms. Mackert is willing to blur the truth in this way, it makes me question other
aspects of her story/viewpoint as well.
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Talisyn | 3:25 a.m. April 28, 2008
You have got to be kidding....
Interloper | 3:58 a.m. April 28, 2008
I must heartily disagree with Mary Mackert, though I am sure she means well.
Another round of religious indoctrination would not benefit the FLDS children.
The fundamentals of survival, privacy and opportunities to learn to think for
themselves are the balms that would serve them best. I hope CPS and the courts
will steer clear of sending the children into environments where they are seen
as souls to be saved instead of individual human beings.
Wilf | 4:25 a.m. April 28, 2008
With all due respect for Mackert's efforts, if she does not make it
absolutely clear to her audience what the difference is between LDS and FLDS,
she is guilty of serious misinformation.
James | 5:06 a.m. April 28, 2008
The beliefs of this woman are just a wacky as the FLDS. These kids will be
messed up if she takes them. Why is it so important to convert everybody to
your way?
J Lowe | 6:02 a.m. April 28, 2008
These people, for the zillionth time, are not and were not ever
"Mormons"!!
Why is it that so many supposedly educated people in the press still ask pointed questions referring to them as such???????
At least this one in this story referred back to that fact that she was a "Fundamentalist" when asked about how people converted to Mormonism.
Tired of this mess!!!!!
Why is it that so many supposedly educated people in the press still ask pointed questions referring to them as such???????
At least this one in this story referred back to that fact that she was a "Fundamentalist" when asked about how people converted to Mormonism.
Tired of this mess!!!!!
doug | 6:12 a.m. April 28, 2008
This Christian lady is a model for others. Good for her, thank you Jesus.
Huh? | 6:56 a.m. April 28, 2008
A woman moves from one cult to another and now wants to convert her old cult to
the ways of her new cult. Big deal. The FLDS children don't need new
religious teachings, they just need parents to follow the law. For the record,
if gay marriage is fast becoming legal, I see no obstruction to a future of
polygamous and polyandrous marriages. That should be an issue of state rights.
Arrrgh! | 7:14 a.m. April 28, 2008
These kids have had no choices in their lives. The last thing they need is to be
taken in by a woman whose primary objective is to convert them to her new faith.
They need to learn to think for themselves before being spoonfed another set of
beliefs. How traumatizing would it be for a kid to be removed from his or her
family and told "well now you worship this way"?
Besides, I think most of these kids will go back to their parents once family plans have been established and the parents have agreed to follow certain guidelines. Y'know, like "I promise not to let my daughter marry a contemporary of her grandfather and not to kick my son out of the house when he brings home a Backstreet Boys cd."
Besides, I think most of these kids will go back to their parents once family plans have been established and the parents have agreed to follow certain guidelines. Y'know, like "I promise not to let my daughter marry a contemporary of her grandfather and not to kick my son out of the house when he brings home a Backstreet Boys cd."
Wacked out | 7:29 a.m. April 28, 2008
We need to trust people, but having proper information is necessary. this
'baptist' is full of hate and misinformation that she spews to the
willing ears of bigots who not only hate mormons, but hate anything not clapping
hands and donating money so the preacher can eat.
Elisabeth | 8:05 a.m. April 28, 2008
"Born and raised in Hildale, Utah, Mackert said she became the sixth of
seven wives to a 50-year-old man when she was 17. "He was older than my
father,"
Amazingly selfish and cruel men. This is just a travesty for all the women and children involved in this counter-culture. Brainwashed to believe that they will never find a decent spouse their own age that will be true to them. The suffering of the children has been brought upon them by these men who have abused their power and the grown women that condone the behavior.
Amazingly selfish and cruel men. This is just a travesty for all the women and children involved in this counter-culture. Brainwashed to believe that they will never find a decent spouse their own age that will be true to them. The suffering of the children has been brought upon them by these men who have abused their power and the grown women that condone the behavior.
Return the Kids | 8:12 a.m. April 28, 2008
The FLDS need to agree to stop breaking the law, then the FLDS kids should be
returned to their mothers.
The FLDS need to agree to:
--stop abusing their kids
--stop forced marriages, especially of underage girls
--stop kicking boys out for trivial offenses
--stop re-assigning families to different fathers
--stop abusing the welfare system
--start keeping proper records of births, marriages, etc.
--open their society so that members are free to join or leave as they see fit
--enroll their kids in public schools or create a private school monitored by the state so that their kids can receive a proper education
The FLDS need to agree to:
--stop abusing their kids
--stop forced marriages, especially of underage girls
--stop kicking boys out for trivial offenses
--stop re-assigning families to different fathers
--stop abusing the welfare system
--start keeping proper records of births, marriages, etc.
--open their society so that members are free to join or leave as they see fit
--enroll their kids in public schools or create a private school monitored by the state so that their kids can receive a proper education
A, B, C | 8:13 a.m. April 28, 2008
A: So she wants to adopt some of the children and convert them to her new found
religion - Baptist which teaches that all other religions are evil and not
christian.
B: People are starting to line up on the band wagon to adopt these kids. Won't surprise me if most of them are from Utah. These kids are going through heck right now and she wants to add to it by trying to convert them to another religion.
C: the Baptist are big into missionary work and pay the support of missionaries in the field just like they pay the pastor to preach rather then teach them on Sunday.
B: People are starting to line up on the band wagon to adopt these kids. Won't surprise me if most of them are from Utah. These kids are going through heck right now and she wants to add to it by trying to convert them to another religion.
C: the Baptist are big into missionary work and pay the support of missionaries in the field just like they pay the pastor to preach rather then teach them on Sunday.
Not Again | 8:25 a.m. April 28, 2008
Mary is well-meaning, but terribly misguided.
These kids need love and someone to care for them.
NONE of the fostercare volunteers should be allowed to try to re-educate the kids, especially with regards to religion.
ANYONE -- Baptist, Catholic, LDS -- trying to gain custody of these kids for the express purpose of forcing their religious beliefs upon these kids should be banned from the fostercare program.
These kids need love and someone to care for them.
NONE of the fostercare volunteers should be allowed to try to re-educate the kids, especially with regards to religion.
ANYONE -- Baptist, Catholic, LDS -- trying to gain custody of these kids for the express purpose of forcing their religious beliefs upon these kids should be banned from the fostercare program.
Marie Devine | 8:28 a.m. April 28, 2008
For the well meaning people who are concerned the children do not get to think
for themselves, this is relatively new in our culture and look what has
happened.
Essentially it is like asking a four year old to babysit for a four year old, or a twelve year old to babysit for a twelve year old. They do not have experience to understand consequences; that is where the parent's understanding comes in and why the word of God must guide the parents. They are as blind as children unless they have been taught God's guidance and wisdom.
Self discipline is having guidance and then conforming to that guidance. I expect that anyone would be delighted to have those children who love God and have good control over themselves and honor their parents and authority.
Children of our culture are confused with too many choices to go into things dangerous and unfulfilling, looking for friendships to be fulfilled because their parents are off working for money to support our greedy covetous lifestyle. That is slavery by the name of employment. Create a self sustaining garden paradise and treasure and protect your children with God's word. Exceptions occur, fear not.
Essentially it is like asking a four year old to babysit for a four year old, or a twelve year old to babysit for a twelve year old. They do not have experience to understand consequences; that is where the parent's understanding comes in and why the word of God must guide the parents. They are as blind as children unless they have been taught God's guidance and wisdom.
Self discipline is having guidance and then conforming to that guidance. I expect that anyone would be delighted to have those children who love God and have good control over themselves and honor their parents and authority.
Children of our culture are confused with too many choices to go into things dangerous and unfulfilling, looking for friendships to be fulfilled because their parents are off working for money to support our greedy covetous lifestyle. That is slavery by the name of employment. Create a self sustaining garden paradise and treasure and protect your children with God's word. Exceptions occur, fear not.
Layola | 8:29 a.m. April 28, 2008
This lady was FLDS.
Clearly she considered herself a Mormon when she was in that cult.
FLDS, LDS, both religious children of Joseph Smith.
Clearly she considered herself a Mormon when she was in that cult.
FLDS, LDS, both religious children of Joseph Smith.
Lee | 8:29 a.m. April 28, 2008
As an Evangelical, I can tell that this dear woman is definetly "blurring
the line".I know many will disagree with me, but Scripture tells us that
Mormons are"saved".Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ,and that God
raised Him from the dead, and thou shall be saved.That's it! The other
issues, such as Temples,full immersion Baptism,etc. are not Salvation related
issues!We do not condemn people to Hell that disagree with us.There are people
in my congregation that I don't agree with.But, I don't say to them,
"Satan,get thee behind me." As far as LDS upset over being identified
with FLDS, is simply the sameness of the name. For example, RLDS and LDS.RLDS is
no longer thier official name in part because of the confusion.
Paid Pastors | 9:05 a.m. April 28, 2008
Read 1Cor 9:4,5,7,11 or read it in context paying ministers is Bibical,Read
D&C 42:73"And the bishop,also,shall receive his support, or a just
remuneration for all his sevices in the church."
Modern day LDS Chaplains. Paul took money from churches.
Modern day LDS Chaplains. Paul took money from churches.
Matt in Tucson | 9:07 a.m. April 28, 2008
This is just "Godmakers" in traveling form. How is this any
different? It is Baptist Bigotry in another guise.
Also, Baptists believe you must confess with the mouth, accept Jesus as your personal Savior, be baptized, and be born again. FLDS, as well as Catholics, LDS, and other Christians persecuted by Baptists all do this. So why are the baptists so negative about other religions when they are just as saved as Baptists?
Also, Baptists believe you must confess with the mouth, accept Jesus as your personal Savior, be baptized, and be born again. FLDS, as well as Catholics, LDS, and other Christians persecuted by Baptists all do this. So why are the baptists so negative about other religions when they are just as saved as Baptists?
leave 'em be | 9:07 a.m. April 28, 2008
Sounds like she just wants to "bring 'em to Jesus and save their
souls". No consideration for their welfare, their needs, their families.
We need to reunite these families, assuring they will abide by the law.
This lady just wants to turn hundreds of kids into baptists. Then what?
We need to reunite these families, assuring they will abide by the law.
This lady just wants to turn hundreds of kids into baptists. Then what?
G | 9:18 a.m. April 28, 2008
"This is just "Godmakers" in traveling form. How is this any
different? It is Baptist Bigotry in another guise."
I agree. Pardon my cynicism but we're talking about a religious group that is known for its opposition to the LDS church, to the point of some of them accosting missionaries in the street, sometimes even behavior that at times borders on stalking. I don't mean to whitewash their entire religion, and some Baptists here will probably wonder why we have singled them out. To them, I will simply say that being LDS in a Bible Belt state tends to give one a certain perspective on a *few* of their more "enthusiastic" congregations they may not be getting at Sunday services.
This FLDS thing is an excuse way for some of them to get together, show the "godmakers" movie and sit around slandering Latter-day Saints. That's why the LDS church is avoiding the entire issue like plague, and why so many LDS people seem to be so cynical about the motives of Texas authorities. It has a ring of familiarity for some of us.
I agree. Pardon my cynicism but we're talking about a religious group that is known for its opposition to the LDS church, to the point of some of them accosting missionaries in the street, sometimes even behavior that at times borders on stalking. I don't mean to whitewash their entire religion, and some Baptists here will probably wonder why we have singled them out. To them, I will simply say that being LDS in a Bible Belt state tends to give one a certain perspective on a *few* of their more "enthusiastic" congregations they may not be getting at Sunday services.
This FLDS thing is an excuse way for some of them to get together, show the "godmakers" movie and sit around slandering Latter-day Saints. That's why the LDS church is avoiding the entire issue like plague, and why so many LDS people seem to be so cynical about the motives of Texas authorities. It has a ring of familiarity for some of us.
Nothing about religion? | 9:20 a.m. April 28, 2008
So, we still insist this has nothing to do with religion. Something to think
about.
- How many of these kids have been back inside an FLDS church, recieved the sacrament or any of their religious services since being taken into State custody? How many of them do you think will EVER see the inside of an FLDS church again? I don't think the State would allow it, and if the kids want to go to that church and the state won't let them, that's restricting their religious freedom. I don't know how you can call it anything else.
We may agree that in our infinite wisdome we have decided it is for their own good, but we can't deny that we ARE restricting their religious freedom.
- How many of these kids have been back inside an FLDS church, recieved the sacrament or any of their religious services since being taken into State custody? How many of them do you think will EVER see the inside of an FLDS church again? I don't think the State would allow it, and if the kids want to go to that church and the state won't let them, that's restricting their religious freedom. I don't know how you can call it anything else.
We may agree that in our infinite wisdome we have decided it is for their own good, but we can't deny that we ARE restricting their religious freedom.
re:Lee | 9:20 a.m. April 28, 2008
Lee I think you need to learn more about the LDS religion before you comment on
their beliefs because you are so far off of the mark. We should quit worrying
about what religion these kids will become and take care of the problem before
us. Lets save them emotionally, mentally and physically before we start trying
to save them spiritually. They have had enough of that for a while.
Wilma | 9:21 a.m. April 28, 2008
It is suprising how confused so many people are about their own religion, they
try so hard to put a spin on their church to make it appear to be more like what
they think it should be rather than accept it for what it really is: both the
FLDS and the LDS are mormons, they are of the same genesis and like species and
share more in common than differences. They should look for ways to agree and
support one another.
Not for me! | 9:32 a.m. April 28, 2008
This story goes to shows just how emotionally messed up FLDS women are. They all
seem to be zombies. They act out what sounds good to everyone, but have a hard
time expressing true emotion. What a shame. I believe the FLDS cult is an
extremely evil.
The more I see what goes on inside some of these wacky religions the more I desire to separate myself from all such sick religious insanity.
The more I see what goes on inside some of these wacky religions the more I desire to separate myself from all such sick religious insanity.
kal | 9:37 a.m. April 28, 2008
Interresting to read about this former member of the FLDS who doesn't
appear to even know that there IS a difference between the FLDS and the LDS
religion. The FLDS became a different religion when they broke off--which is
their right. But for her to not clarify the difference. Why would the LDS
support a breakoff when the FLDS clearily broke off because the didn't want
to follow the beliefs of the LDS. The
samhill | 9:41 a.m. April 28, 2008
It seems very odd to me that there is so little mention of the very close
association of religion (notable the Baptists) and state (the Texas CPS) in this
matter.
Baptist buses and facilities. Now Baptist missionaries and congregations. All in very close collaboration with the Texas authorities in a massive and very controversial raid and state sanctioned kidnapping of hundreds of children.
Yet, hardly a whisper from the same people who normally raise the roof with their protestations when some church leader merely expresses an opinion about some politically charged topic.
There are some very strange and, to me, very unsettling aspects of this case with some terrifying implications. My hope is that the larger legal system will, eventually, sort this mess out. At which time I strongly suspect the now shadowy outlines what appears to me to be a very unholy alliance of church and state will be more fully revealed.
Baptist buses and facilities. Now Baptist missionaries and congregations. All in very close collaboration with the Texas authorities in a massive and very controversial raid and state sanctioned kidnapping of hundreds of children.
Yet, hardly a whisper from the same people who normally raise the roof with their protestations when some church leader merely expresses an opinion about some politically charged topic.
There are some very strange and, to me, very unsettling aspects of this case with some terrifying implications. My hope is that the larger legal system will, eventually, sort this mess out. At which time I strongly suspect the now shadowy outlines what appears to me to be a very unholy alliance of church and state will be more fully revealed.
doodles | 9:50 a.m. April 28, 2008
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has one basic difference with
other Christian religions. They believe that through the priesthood God will
send them continuing revelation to guide them through the difficulties and
problems they encounter, just as Gid sent revelation to the prophets of the Old
and New Testament of guide them through the difficulties encountered at the
time. The split off FLDS group maintains that they have received revelation to
live in polygamous marriages. As there cannot be real revelation that is in
opposition to itself, the Fundamentalist believers were excummunicated from the
LDS Church as they no longer chose to follow the prophet. So, while it is true
that the FLDS and the LDS Church started out the same, for the last 100 plus
years the FLDS have chosen to live by the words and doctrine of different
prophets.
They have many differences now, just as any apostate group has many differences with the original group. This would explain the numerous groups that have split off the Catholic Church, believing they have fundamentalist differences in their desires to proctice religion and no longer follow the doctrine or teachings of the Catholic Church.
They have many differences now, just as any apostate group has many differences with the original group. This would explain the numerous groups that have split off the Catholic Church, believing they have fundamentalist differences in their desires to proctice religion and no longer follow the doctrine or teachings of the Catholic Church.
Re: Wilma | 9:56 a.m. April 28, 2008
You obviously have only a superficial understanding of FLDS and LDS beliefs.
That's understandable, to a Muslim or a Buddhist, all Christian religions
probably seem alike.
re: samhill | 9:59 a.m. April 28, 2008
Yes they used Baptist buses and facilities. They also used local High School
buses and facilities. So by your rationale, it must mean that the local high
school is also involved in this "scandal". If you want to see an
un-holy alliance of church and state, visit Utah sometime.
She seems ok | 10:01 a.m. April 28, 2008
Well another ok former FLDS. She seems to be ok. I would like to take 3,ooo
people and see if there was any problems or abuse with them or their families.
I'm sure I'd find a lot of problems but that doesn't give me the
right to go and investigate every one. For the abused we should ivestigate but
for the rest they should have freedom of thoughts and religon. The government
should not raise our children, as parents that is our right in love. If abuse is
there then there is the law but it is getting scary what they are calling abuse
these days.
Kevin | 10:06 a.m. April 28, 2008
To Lee:
After reading many comments from many articles, I finally had to comment and say thank you to Lee. As a member of the LDS faith, I have always appreciated the love evangelicals have for our Saviour Jesus Christ. Thank you for finally recognizing my love and belief that without him exaltation would be impossible.
After reading many comments from many articles, I finally had to comment and say thank you to Lee. As a member of the LDS faith, I have always appreciated the love evangelicals have for our Saviour Jesus Christ. Thank you for finally recognizing my love and belief that without him exaltation would be impossible.
Hector Ahumada | 10:48 a.m. April 28, 2008
These expressions deserve to be repeated, The FLDS women are:taught, honest,
clean, and hardworking as a result of their fear-oriented belief.
The believer is not a seeker that is why she/he believes.
The believer want to be saved; she/he needs a savior. She/he is always in search of a messiah.
They need some who can eat, chew and digest for them.
Believe is way of repressing doubt; you doubt, therefore you need to believe.
This group of believers (FLDS) is a renegade gift from The Church of Latter Days Saints to the USA.
society.
These FLDS women and children are suffering for their belief. And it is very possible that persecution and suffering are expected by them.
Is in it interesting that similar types of persecutions were inflicted on the original LDS corporation?
The believer is not a seeker that is why she/he believes.
The believer want to be saved; she/he needs a savior. She/he is always in search of a messiah.
They need some who can eat, chew and digest for them.
Believe is way of repressing doubt; you doubt, therefore you need to believe.
This group of believers (FLDS) is a renegade gift from The Church of Latter Days Saints to the USA.
society.
These FLDS women and children are suffering for their belief. And it is very possible that persecution and suffering are expected by them.
Is in it interesting that similar types of persecutions were inflicted on the original LDS corporation?
re: re: samhill | 10:54 a.m. April 28, 2008
No sir/ma'am, I don't think they should have involved the Baptist
church in this matter at all(not even to use their buses). To use state funded
school buses seems like the logical thing to do. Also to say that the term
mormon should be able to be used interchangably is erroneous. They are distincly
different, just as the LDS and Catholics or Baptists are different even though
they have more of their beliefs in common than not.
Rich | 10:56 a.m. April 28, 2008
I, too, am convinced that Mackert is intentionally allowing confusion between
LDS, who adamantly are opposed to polygamy and child abuse, and FLDS, who
continue to practice polygamy and many of whom continue to defend male members
who have married underage girls.
How long | 11:00 a.m. April 28, 2008
How long can the State of Texas hold these kids and force them not to return to
their faith or their families?
Don't they have to let them go and make their own decisions once they are 18? Or will Texas make special provisions to hold FLDS kids and control their lives indefinatly?
I know many of the kids will change and take a course we would call "More Normal", but I have to assume some of them are going to go looking for their parents when they turn 18, and gasp, maybe even their faith.
I also have to wonder how this episode in their lives will affect their future. I have to assume some will feel what they experienced while in captivity is just what their leaders warned them would happen if outsiders got them. I also have to assume that some of them will go back the life-style they came from, but even MORE convinced that they need to be even MORE of a closed society (to protect them from more treatment like their getting from Texas officials today).
Don't they have to let them go and make their own decisions once they are 18? Or will Texas make special provisions to hold FLDS kids and control their lives indefinatly?
I know many of the kids will change and take a course we would call "More Normal", but I have to assume some of them are going to go looking for their parents when they turn 18, and gasp, maybe even their faith.
I also have to wonder how this episode in their lives will affect their future. I have to assume some will feel what they experienced while in captivity is just what their leaders warned them would happen if outsiders got them. I also have to assume that some of them will go back the life-style they came from, but even MORE convinced that they need to be even MORE of a closed society (to protect them from more treatment like their getting from Texas officials today).
fifty50 | 11:51 a.m. April 28, 2008
Mary appears to be well-intentioned and perhaps CPS can find a way to channel
her desire to help that does not include her spreading her new religious
beliefs. I think the commentators above have made a good point that these
children do not need to be indoctrinated with a new religion.
All citizens of the United States have a right to religious freedom. I have always had concern about parents indoctrinating their children into the parents' religion. I especially have concern when it comes to what I've seen with the FLDS. Beside the standard indoctrination, there are walls, a guarded gate and a manned guard tower. Children are told they will go to hell if they don't remain in the FLDS. They are told the outside world is bad and that they are specially chosen. They are told they must be in a polygamous relationship in order to reach a high level in heaven. Feelings are drilled out of the girls which renders them incapable of adult functioning. The girls are impregnated by FLDS men creating even more difficulty for those who would like to leave. This certainly isn't my idea of religious freedom.
All citizens of the United States have a right to religious freedom. I have always had concern about parents indoctrinating their children into the parents' religion. I especially have concern when it comes to what I've seen with the FLDS. Beside the standard indoctrination, there are walls, a guarded gate and a manned guard tower. Children are told they will go to hell if they don't remain in the FLDS. They are told the outside world is bad and that they are specially chosen. They are told they must be in a polygamous relationship in order to reach a high level in heaven. Feelings are drilled out of the girls which renders them incapable of adult functioning. The girls are impregnated by FLDS men creating even more difficulty for those who would like to leave. This certainly isn't my idea of religious freedom.
RE: A, B, C | 11:51 a.m. April 28, 2008
A: As Baptists, we believe that those who are not Christians are not saved; not
"that those who are not Baptists are unsaved." We do not believe LDS
or FLDS are Christian for many reasons, one of those reasons being the belief in
more than one God. Almighty God tells us again and again that there is but one
God, and He knows of none other beyond Himself.
B: As a Christian it is her duty to proclaim the good news of the Gospel to all.
C: We do indeed support missionaries in the field, just as the early churches supported Paul and the others spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We also support our pastors in the same endeavor, which is clearly in line with what Paul taught. Our preachers do indeed 'teach' on Sunday...that's what preaching is, afterall...teaching from the scripture. Our tithe, which is voluntary and not necessary in order to gain entrance to our buildings, is used to support the local congregation as well as any poor that may need help, and to support our missionaries and church-building worldwide.
B: As a Christian it is her duty to proclaim the good news of the Gospel to all.
C: We do indeed support missionaries in the field, just as the early churches supported Paul and the others spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We also support our pastors in the same endeavor, which is clearly in line with what Paul taught. Our preachers do indeed 'teach' on Sunday...that's what preaching is, afterall...teaching from the scripture. Our tithe, which is voluntary and not necessary in order to gain entrance to our buildings, is used to support the local congregation as well as any poor that may need help, and to support our missionaries and church-building worldwide.
TheMadNuker | 12:10 p.m. April 28, 2008
Part of the Texas Spin Machine. Have a former member
support your agenda. I am sure there is no money
changing hands, (wink wink, nod nod).
support your agenda. I am sure there is no money
changing hands, (wink wink, nod nod).
DeLaval Milker | 12:23 p.m. April 28, 2008
I am an ardent supporter of the efforts to eliminate the flds and their compound
prisons. But I think it's carpetbagging to suggest we simply need to
parachute in and substitute another religion. These people have been denied
their own destiny, and I think trying to sell them a new god before they have
even figured out who they are is predatory.
why | 12:26 p.m. April 28, 2008
How come my earlier comment wasn't posted? All I said was that this lady
seems a little obsessed with religion and unbalanced. I don't think she
should be taking kids.
One Thing | 12:27 p.m. April 28, 2008
KEEP YOUR RELIGIONS STRAIGHT!!!!! learn more about other people/religions and
their beliefs.... and do NOT trust everything that wikipedia says about them!!!!
I think you'll find that not all of the religious groups being bashed on
this page are what you think they are..... while I don't agree with the
FLDS religion, I also don't think that what they have done is
constitutional, I just think that if everyone were a little bit more tolerant of
each other's beliefs we would all be happier!!!!!
Comment | 12:34 p.m. April 28, 2008
The LDS and FLDS are very closely related, as shown here by all of the support
and apoligists for the FLDS. FLDS practices the original doctrine handed down by
Joseph Smith. So actually they did not break away, The LDS are the ones that
broke away. And if LDS truly broke away they have said the word of Joseph Smith
is not True.
RL | 12:50 p.m. April 28, 2008
FLDS are NOT Mormons. The only way they'd be a "mormon" is if
they were baptised as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints. I'm sick to death of supposedly well intended people mudding the
waters with doing everything they can to lump us together. You can't have
it both ways guys.
No religion is good religion | 12:52 p.m. April 28, 2008
I have been reading these blogs for a few month's and I am beginning to
think most religions are extremely weird and completely insane(ESPECIALLY
POLYGAMY CULTS). I do believe in God, but I in no way believe in all the
craziness of most religions--most make no sense whatsoever. I have no interest
in joining any of them. My life is pure, very moral and good just the way it is.
Truth | 12:53 p.m. April 28, 2008
I know this woman and believe me, she is not "making money" from her
missionary efforts. She raises goats as her livelyhood and as you probably know
that isn't exactly a get rich occupation. The money she raises from
donations, goes to travel and lodging. It takes money to go and minister to
these FLDS people. God bless her for willingness to follow God and present the
truth to these people.
Saeed Alfaisan | 1:07 p.m. April 28, 2008
How can we contact this christian soul?
(Mrs. Mackert)to send donations.
(Mrs. Mackert)to send donations.
Not Sheep | 1:25 p.m. April 28, 2008
Leave the kids alone!!! They've already been through enough.
It's cruel and unthinkably selfish, of Mary or anyone else, to think that these kids are nothing but sheep, ready to be herded into a new flock.
Show some true Christlike love and give the kids the freedom to make their own choices without having a new religion stuffed down their throats.
It's cruel and unthinkably selfish, of Mary or anyone else, to think that these kids are nothing but sheep, ready to be herded into a new flock.
Show some true Christlike love and give the kids the freedom to make their own choices without having a new religion stuffed down their throats.
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Former FLDS member Mary Mackert, now a Baptist, talks about her life in the FLDS faith Sunday at the Central Faith Baptist Church in San Angelo, Texas.
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