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Confusion on FLDS kids' status ongoing
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Interloper | 3:47 a.m. April 28, 2008
An editor at the Deseret News needs to consider whether the FLDS is using the
paper. There is no corroboration of the accusations being made. This could
be a public relations offensive, not credible information, as could the
unsubstantiated claims of lost children. I spent half of my working life as a
reporter and editor for print media. If people were feeding me wild claims
about children being harmed without real sources I would be skeptical. As for
Ms. Martinez, she is endangering her own credibility (and possibly her license
to practice law) by acting as a conduit for FLDS alarmism.
Re: Interloper | 8:12 a.m. April 28, 2008
Basically this entire story is the word of CPS officials pitted against the word
of FLDS. Neither seem to be particularly trustworthy sources, but at least
D-News reports on BOTH sides of the story. Nobody else seems to be.
Anonymous | 8:46 a.m. April 28, 2008
This is crazy!!!! the children are afraid and getting real sick behind this; all
this is child abuse, get rid of the men. don't let them see the children
but for God sake give the babies back to the moms 13years old and up should stay
with CPS until all is investigated but babies the are in danger of dying of a
broken heart, if your children where yanked from you they to would be ill and
mentally they will have problems. Sad;lonely,frightend and with strangers in
world unknown to these little people,who's causing child abuse now!?
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T Oliphant | 9:16 a.m. April 28, 2008
Interloper, the same could be said of the original "alarmism" used to
take the children. I believe there were "wild claims about children being
harmed without real sources" that started this mess in the first place.
There still is "no corroboration of the accusations being made"
against the FLDS.
Matt in Tucson | 9:40 a.m. April 28, 2008
The Texas CPS has consistently lied. Since they took away cell phones, it is
rather hard to tell whether they are lying this time. However, since they took
away cell phones, that is a pretty good indication that the CPS is fighting a PR
war, and using the apparatus of the state, including armed law enforcement, to
do it. Makes me trust the CPS less than the FLDS.
Jackie in Washington | 9:52 a.m. April 28, 2008
It would have been a better choice for the kids if they just left the children
on the ranch and made the men and women leave. The CPS could have cared for the
children while DNA tests were done on all of them, and the men and women would
have all been put into another place (which would be much cheaper) and all their
DNA would have been obtained too. Of course, I realize that it must be volunary
to obtain it, and they would most likely not have volunteered it unless they
were threatened with the loss of their kids. What a mess!
Who cares? | 10:12 a.m. April 28, 2008
Who cares if the FLDS parents don't know where their kids are and CPS
officials can't account for their whereabouts? We've all decided FLDS
parents don't love their children anyway, right? FLDS parents no longer
have the right to know where their kids are. Right?
CPS knows where they are | 10:50 a.m. April 28, 2008
CPS says they know where all the kids are and that's all that matters.
FLDS parents have no right to be concerned about where their kids are or if they
are accounted for or not.
I Man Fraidddd.... | 11:23 a.m. April 28, 2008
If you're a good lawyer you'll make Noise to press the issue.
They're seeking visitation, by any means necessary.
However, I do agree with 'Interloper' that Desert News is starting to be spin central for the FLDS. Same for the Salt Lake Tribune.
FLDS won't be the same once Texas gets done with them.
UT will feel the heat to do something more, because I do believe the eventual evidence WILL show abuse of many girls.
However, I do agree with 'Interloper' that Desert News is starting to be spin central for the FLDS. Same for the Salt Lake Tribune.
FLDS won't be the same once Texas gets done with them.
UT will feel the heat to do something more, because I do believe the eventual evidence WILL show abuse of many girls.
Constitucional rights? | 12:08 p.m. April 28, 2008
This case needs to go to the supreme court as I have never seen people found
guilty in mass before the trial. Not in the USA, but maybe this is our NEW
WORLD ORDER.
These people should have been dealt with on a one on one basis and only the guilty punished. The way it is handled it becomes a Religious persecution case and has the risk of the guilty going free. They should have taken the men away and left the women on the ranch with in house arrest, and sorted it out from there.
The one good thing is that they are not violent like we experienced in WACO.
This is just plain terrible, and should never happen in the USA.
These people should have been dealt with on a one on one basis and only the guilty punished. The way it is handled it becomes a Religious persecution case and has the risk of the guilty going free. They should have taken the men away and left the women on the ranch with in house arrest, and sorted it out from there.
The one good thing is that they are not violent like we experienced in WACO.
This is just plain terrible, and should never happen in the USA.
In their shoes | 1:22 p.m. April 28, 2008
How would you feel in their shoes? Your neighbor is accused of something so they
come to YOUR house and rip your kids away causing physical and emotional
trauma/abuse to them. Then they take your personal property (phones) away, and
deny you the very thing you live for (your children). Our Constitution is
hanging by a threat and what are we doing about it? Are we excusing secret
combinations (CPS) and condemning the press for telling us about their
corruption? These mothers have done nothing wrong and have a right to have
their children. Since when do we take kids away just in case they might
eventually commit a crime. Ridiculous! No one would have children if that were
the case, as all mortals are potential law breakers. Give the kids back and
prosecute the fathers who have allowed underaged children to wed.
Coolnana Utah | 8:11 p.m. April 28, 2008
It's deplorabable with all the DFPS is getting away with. Having all these
children taken away from their mothers with no just cause, and so boldly at that
is something I have never heard of in my lifetime. There's no doubt in my
mind these children are scared out of their wits and are bound to get sick.
They've always lived a protected lifestyle and now this trauma!!! It use
to be that we were innocent until proven guilty, now it's the opposite.
With so many questions to the chilren's whereabouts and their safety, then
DFPS should be held accountable under the same law. I believe the FLDS are
being used as ginny pigs and if we do nothing, we will be giving the USA
government the go ahead for us all to be hald off so they can go ahead with
their agenda, (THE NEW WORLD ORDER OR ONE WORLD EMPIRE).
Re: In Their Shoes | 10:39 p.m. April 28, 2008
You do not share a communal home with your neighbors.
It is standard procedure in an abuse case to remove children from the household that is under investigation. In this case the entire community is under investigation.
The cellphones were taken away to avoid tampering with the children, so that the investigation could be handeled as efficiently as possible.
Add to that mothers lying about the childrens name, ages, and their own ages in order to puprposely confuse the investigation further, they have proven themselves to be untrustworthy in the investigation.
It is standard procedure in an abuse case to remove children from the household that is under investigation. In this case the entire community is under investigation.
The cellphones were taken away to avoid tampering with the children, so that the investigation could be handeled as efficiently as possible.
Add to that mothers lying about the childrens name, ages, and their own ages in order to puprposely confuse the investigation further, they have proven themselves to be untrustworthy in the investigation.
skeptical | 8:24 a.m. April 29, 2008
The information on the entire situation is questionable. CPS has changed the
information they provide so often that the information they provide cannot be
trusted. There are several cases where they decided children looked older then
18 and therefore were even when the papers were provided to show their age as 18
or over.
CPS took the papers, so stating the families will not provide the information is redundant. CPS has the information, not the families.
Illegal alien supporter groups routinely tell immigrants, illegal and otherwise not to provide information to authorities. Its ok for them to do it, why isn't it ok and standard operating procedure for citizens to do it too.
CPS took the papers, so stating the families will not provide the information is redundant. CPS has the information, not the families.
Illegal alien supporter groups routinely tell immigrants, illegal and otherwise not to provide information to authorities. Its ok for them to do it, why isn't it ok and standard operating procedure for citizens to do it too.
Martha from Indiana | 10:23 p.m. April 29, 2008
CPS, the Judge, and the Sheriff are the criminals and child abusers in this
fiasco.
If I was a mother over 18 (that could pass for under 18) with a nursing baby/toddler, and found out the only way I could stay with my kids was to claim I was minor, I would do so in a flash.
It just makes me so angry what the authorities are doing to those kids (especially the little ones); and then presenting to the public the fantasy of protecting them.
Had it not been for the authorities removing all the babies and kids under 12, I might have had some doubts that this was not be purely religious persecution ... but religious persecution is exactly what it now appears to be to me. Nothing more nothing less.
If I was a mother over 18 (that could pass for under 18) with a nursing baby/toddler, and found out the only way I could stay with my kids was to claim I was minor, I would do so in a flash.
It just makes me so angry what the authorities are doing to those kids (especially the little ones); and then presenting to the public the fantasy of protecting them.
Had it not been for the authorities removing all the babies and kids under 12, I might have had some doubts that this was not be purely religious persecution ... but religious persecution is exactly what it now appears to be to me. Nothing more nothing less.
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