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Shurtleff has handled this issue exceptionally well during his time in office. I'm certainly glad he didn't do what Texas is doing. I think this Texas raid should serve as a warning as how reckless some authorities are with constitutional rights.
Shurtleff is much more respectfull of due process. And while I don't like the FLDS's religion at all, if the government can do this to them, it doesn't have far to travel to do this to the mainstream LDS.
It seems as if all the "lawyer jokes" come true in the personage of Rod Parker.
If you can condone destroying the lives of the surplus boys, the bondage of girls under the "you'll burn if you don't stay sweet" plan, the racism and misinformation taught to the children in place of a real world education (they don't believe that man has been in space or that blacks have souls), the forced marriage of 12 year old girls, Rod you must be a better man than I because I cannot.
for Shurtleff to comment on? Wouldn't saying something like this in public fuel the bias debate. While I don't doubt that this sect actually did this, some comments are better left un-said, especially from a prosecutor who has them on his radar.
Mr. Shurleff seems to be pretty into himself. First off, even if it's true as long as he doesn't believe himself to be "The Anti-Christ" then why on earth does he care? Secondly, I doubt this really happened because why would these people who shun outsiders suddenly spend so much time on HIM to pray about him period, much less over his demise. Mr. Shurleff appears to be very nervous, and I think he'd be far more well off if he'd keep his strange thoughts to himself, because he's coming off as paranoid delusional. But, good for him for leaving these poor FLDS people alone. The state of Texas will soon realize the error of their ways when they have to pay our hundreds of multi-million dollar lawsuits for their unconstitutional raid on their ranch at El Dorado. More and more every day America is seeing that they have barely circumstantial evidence in this case, and people are demanding answers. Keep the heat on people, you're doing an absolutely fabulous job keeping the negative spotlight on Judge Walther and the CPS System at large.
if I read you correctly you were saying, "Not all marriages are to old men."
Wow....Reading in between the lines...Yes, underage marriages to old men do happened in Polygamous Compounds and that is Statutory Rape according to the law. You know better than that...
Haven't these idiots embassed this state enough? We are the laughing stock of this country.
This is not news this is trying to get sympathy for a man who has allowed this group to continue in its sick ways. If he can't do more than Warren Jeffs then we need an AG that will
19th century polygamous marriages were mainly to older spinsters and widows. While there were always problems with jealousies, (as even today in polygamous settings throughout the world--read the book 1,000 Splendid Suns) in some ways this was a way to take care of women in a day when there wasn't a respectable way for them to earn their own living) Young women married men their same age, generally in a monogamous union. So you can't really say the FLDS live in a 19th century polygamous world.
FLDS live in the 21st century enough to bend the laws in order to benefit from state welfare, and abuse the food stamp benefit. Many don't finish homes so they don't have to pay taxes.
They drive trucks and cars, use electricity and central heating, and shop in grocery stores. Yes, they know the system.
Fasting and praying for the death of another was never the way things worked in the 19th century. Again, the men in the FLDS community have brainwashed women in the name of tradition and religion in order to do henious things to them and their children.
These women don't know they have their own rights.
I respect AG Shurtleff on all issues except polygamy. He is allowing his emotions to get the better of him rather than rely on facts and the law. He should know you can't rely on former FLDS members testimony to be factual. He should know that if there is not victim there is no crime. See how things work in America is if they victim won't say, "Yeah, I'm a victim." You can't prosecute, unless you have some factual evidence other than hearsay.
He should look where his information is coming from. It's not reliable! Look at what Mr. Warren Jeffs was convicted on, it was a marriage of a 19 year old to a 14 year old. While I don't condone such a marriage, it certainly is not 50 year old marrying 14 year old like he seems to want us to think.
I don't believe Mr. Shurtleff is into himself at all: that would be Rod Parker. As for being the "anti-Christ," I think it's an interesting bit of trivia that supports the fact that Shurtleff did much more than people are apparently willing to give him credit for.
As much as I can't stand the FLDS and their behavior and tactics (I used to live near them), this whole nightmare is a shocking abuse of human rights.
Give me a break. When they gave a tour of their compound that was shown on TV, I saw laptop computers in some of the rooms. I don't think there were laptop computers in the 19th century.
Shurtleff has done nothing about the abuse of polygamist children for years and now, in some sick sort of way, he wants to play the victim.
The national spotlight has Shurtleff eating crow for not doing his job!
to go after child brides.
Inexscusable to ignore the rest.
Face it; Utah chooses to look the other way where polygamy is concerned; and is shamefully unique in that reguard.
It's not about a lack of resources, it is a lack of will.
Unconstitutional raid? A female called 911 of being abused; what would you have liked them to do? Ignore the call just because they are LDS?
"Mark, try to come up with facts," retorted Rod Parker, a lawyer and spokesman for the FLDS Church. "You don't know that." "I do know that," Shurtleff replied, saying the information was relayed to him through a confidential informant.
Was her name by chance Rozita Swinton, er, "Sarah"?
If Shurtleff has an inside informant it seems foolish and unprofessional to jeapordize their effectiveness just to reveal this gossipy tidbit.
I agree with the AG tactic of prosecuting the pedophilia but not polygamy between legal consenting adults. People keep demanding that they prosecute polygamists, but those same people don't demand the prosecution of married people with mistresses, or swingers, or people who move in with boyfriends/girlfriends before divorces are finalized. Why does society have such a "lets get 'em" knee jerk reaction to one, but not the others. Apparently it's only wrong to have multiple sex partners if you consider yourself married to them all. Be consistent people.
Why are you intentionally distorting the facts? Why did you use LDS instead of FLDS? What axe are you grinding? And why do you think you have any credibility when you so willfully and blatantly misrepresent things?
I can well belive that the flds prayed for the demise of the Utah AG. They are a listed hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. They remind me of another group whose women were forced to wear concealing clothing and who did not belive women had a role outside of the home, so women were discouraged from higher education. They were called the Taliban. Are the flds the American Taliban?
How can Shurtleff be sure it is true if there is only one unsubstantiated informant? Basically, if it is bad for the FLDS it is true? Perhaps he should read what the chief justice of the Utah Supreme Court has written on polygamy -- then he can claim he is FLDS too.
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