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Phone number in Texas abuse report linked to Colorado woman
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Anonymous | 2:43 p.m. April 23, 2008
what a joke
Yes Sir | 2:57 p.m. April 23, 2008
A joke indeed, Michael Savage predicted all this.
Anonymous | 3:16 p.m. April 23, 2008
So, the Texas authorities acted on a prank call. There's a whole lotta
gray area here. Scenario....if my ex is mad at me and calls the police
anonymously and tells them that she heard shots fired inside my home the police
would come out ask me if anyone else was in the residence and I'd say no.
Then they would ask me if they could come in, if I say no to that then they
can't come in. They would ask me if I heard any discharge of firearms and
ask me if I owned a weapon. No and no. Now they would have to go and try to get
a search warrant....and good luck with that. How could the judge issue a search
warrant in Texas? Because they 'just knew' something strange was
happening in the compound? If a resident breaks the law unknowingly the judge
says "ignorance of the law is no excuse". It seems the judge can
claim ignorance by 'not knowing that the Sarah phone call was a prank
call'.
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masked_data | 3:20 p.m. April 23, 2008
Looks like they found the bitter outsider!
Phil | 3:39 p.m. April 23, 2008
It only took three weeks to figure out that 719 area code ain't in Texas.
Double Standard? | 3:48 p.m. April 23, 2008
I also find it interesting that an armed militia stormed the compound quite
swiftly, based on a "phone tip" that in the end looks like a hoax.
Yet, this woman who has been a "person of interest" and free to go
about her life for several days now, has not been officially arrested and
charged. Why the double standard?
Another thought is, the judge mentioned in her ruling of how she was splitting up the children for placement, that the "Teen mothers and pregnant teens would be kept together". Which...regardless of whether or not "THE Sarah" ever existed....shows that indeed there were Sarah-like-girls in there being forced into underage marriage and sex. So for their sakes, I'm glad they have been discovered, and have a chance to be helped.
Another thought is, the judge mentioned in her ruling of how she was splitting up the children for placement, that the "Teen mothers and pregnant teens would be kept together". Which...regardless of whether or not "THE Sarah" ever existed....shows that indeed there were Sarah-like-girls in there being forced into underage marriage and sex. So for their sakes, I'm glad they have been discovered, and have a chance to be helped.
G | 4:07 p.m. April 23, 2008
"Teen mothers and pregnant teens would be kept together".
Which...regardless of whether or not "THE Sarah" ever existed....shows
that indeed there were"
"Teen mothers" could be anywhere from 13-20 years of age, so that statement does not in itself show that there were "Sarahs" on the ranch. Anyway, CPS has already given reason to doubt their ability to guess ages.
"Teen mothers" could be anywhere from 13-20 years of age, so that statement does not in itself show that there were "Sarahs" on the ranch. Anyway, CPS has already given reason to doubt their ability to guess ages.
Well . . . | 4:20 p.m. April 23, 2008
Long live Janet Reno and the Branch Davidians.
To Double Standard | 5:26 p.m. April 23, 2008
There have been lots of photographs coming from the YFZ ranch, the first
temporary shelter and the coliseum. I have not seen a single pregnant woman,
let alone a pregnant teenager. Not even a fat person! The judge's ruling is
a self-protective move to give credibility to the claim that underage girls were
being abused and to quell public criticism of her decision to break up these
families.
There is no reason to treat teenage mothers differently; it is the baby who needs his/her mother no matter what the mother's age.
There is no reason to treat teenage mothers differently; it is the baby who needs his/her mother no matter what the mother's age.
You are up in the night | 5:43 p.m. April 23, 2008
To Double Standard:
I haven't seen any pictures but sheer logic tells me that of the 100+ women/wives on the YFZ ranch that...there are pregnancies. Take any group of 100 women in the US and some will be pregnant. Lack of proof isn't proof.
I haven't seen any pictures but sheer logic tells me that of the 100+ women/wives on the YFZ ranch that...there are pregnancies. Take any group of 100 women in the US and some will be pregnant. Lack of proof isn't proof.
She's a HERO | 6:01 p.m. April 23, 2008
Normally I would hesitate to make such a statement, and I am sure I'm going
to "catch it" for what I say, but here it goes:
Rozita Swinton is a hero! Had she not risked her own self in making the call to Texas authorities, think of how many children would have been subjected to rape?
Does this excuse her? Not all the way, but she should not get a felony out of it. Sometimes civil disobedience is necessary for the greater good of the community. (Read Hardin!)
It does seem that Texas authorities kind of agree because they say despite the call, they found AMPLE evidence to take custody of these poor brainwashed children drinking the funky Kool-Aid of Warren Jeffs.
Rozita Swinton is a hero! Had she not risked her own self in making the call to Texas authorities, think of how many children would have been subjected to rape?
Does this excuse her? Not all the way, but she should not get a felony out of it. Sometimes civil disobedience is necessary for the greater good of the community. (Read Hardin!)
It does seem that Texas authorities kind of agree because they say despite the call, they found AMPLE evidence to take custody of these poor brainwashed children drinking the funky Kool-Aid of Warren Jeffs.
just wondering... | 7:09 p.m. April 23, 2008
if you raided any low-income inner-city neighborhood you would find more
examples of abuse and teenage pregnancy in not just young girls but sexual and
physical abuse in young boys as well. Seems to me that this phone call provided
Texas an excuse to go after someone's belief system and not an interest in
justice. I don't condone modern polygamy, but I worry that this has gone
far enough that if the government doesn't agree with your beliefs, it can
take your children away, justifying it with abuse.
calgal1211 | 7:14 p.m. April 23, 2008
It is a given that the law was 14 years old until texas changed it. So next on
the list is quincea�era for the mexican families. They
celebrate womanhood at 15 years of age. The Mexicans fought for their land and
white folks won. Now they can start on taking all the 15 year old girls from
their homes and let them join the FLDS girls and boys.
Double Standard??? | 7:17 p.m. April 23, 2008
No, there were NO SARAHS THAT FIT THE DESCRIPTION. None of them were beaten,
ribs broken, asking to be removed from their homes, or anything else. There
were YOUNG MARRIED WOMEN there. All of whom free willingly entered into
marriages (not a single unwilling marriage has been documented there YET).
Amazing all the Nazi tactic lovers out there. Get ready for them to be inflicted on YOU!
Jonathan - male Mormon Fundamentalist
CaptiveFLDSChildren.org
Amazing all the Nazi tactic lovers out there. Get ready for them to be inflicted on YOU!
Jonathan - male Mormon Fundamentalist
CaptiveFLDSChildren.org
DeLaval Milker | 7:21 p.m. April 23, 2008
It shouldn't have taken even one phone call to get authorities in there.
I keep wondering...what if these people were gay, and had adopted a bunch of children and kept them in a compound? Or, how about if they were polygamist..wives with multiple husbands? There's no way there would be this support from Utah in either case; rather mass condemnation.
Go texas. Sometimes, things are just wrong.
I keep wondering...what if these people were gay, and had adopted a bunch of children and kept them in a compound? Or, how about if they were polygamist..wives with multiple husbands? There's no way there would be this support from Utah in either case; rather mass condemnation.
Go texas. Sometimes, things are just wrong.
John Lambert | 7:46 p.m. April 23, 2008
It seems to me the Texas Rangers went to Colorado to make sure that nothing
that would prove the whole Sarah call was a total hoax would show up.
I know this sounds a bit paranoid of me. However, the whole thing has gotten way out of hand. The Texas authorities are so indept that they have significantly undercounted the number of children they seized, they ramrodded a mass hearing and so on. They have lied to the mothers, they have confiscated the cell phones of the mothers after they complained about their conditions and on and on. If it is true that the marriage laws of Texas were changed only in 2005 than I very much feel this whole thing is planned persecution.
I know this sounds a bit paranoid of me. However, the whole thing has gotten way out of hand. The Texas authorities are so indept that they have significantly undercounted the number of children they seized, they ramrodded a mass hearing and so on. They have lied to the mothers, they have confiscated the cell phones of the mothers after they complained about their conditions and on and on. If it is true that the marriage laws of Texas were changed only in 2005 than I very much feel this whole thing is planned persecution.
Not just Sarah | 8:15 p.m. April 23, 2008
The search warrant called for a collection of evidence of child abuse AND bigamy
based law enforcement's observations while serving a prior warrant.
Michael | 10:03 p.m. April 23, 2008
'Mormon fundamentalist' is such a misappropriated term. Polygamy has
never been a fundamental part of Mormonism, and "fundamentalist" or
"orthodox" in the case of the FLDS isn't consistent with the
definition of the same terms as used in other world religions. Joseph Smith
stated: "The fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of
the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried,
and rose again on the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things
which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it." (See TPJS p.130)
The religion "fundamentally" is about Christ not about polygamy, so
perhaps a new name is in order, much like the route taken by the RLDS.
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