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Scattered across Texas: Up to 100 FLDS children are relocated
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The Stars at Night | 1:12 a.m. April 23, 2008
Texas has to be one of the worst places on earth.
Truth | 1:36 a.m. April 23, 2008
does anyone really want the truth. It doesnt seem so
Hugh McBryde | 1:46 a.m. April 23, 2008
This article is written as if we have no clue who "Sarah" really is,
namely there is no "Sarah", there is only Rozita Swinton.
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Truth | 2:10 a.m. April 23, 2008
If you want to see it go to it FLDSTRUTH look it up
Religion Forum | 3:50 a.m. April 23, 2008
Googling across the forums tells me LOTS of Mormons think Texas is way off the
mark in their handeling of the FLDS. I'm amazed so many LDS care.
mixedfeelers | 5:48 a.m. April 23, 2008
This is all wrong,I would like to speak to the childrens attoney? Well thier is
way more to this. I think the town of Eldorado wants thier land for oil? And
this was a way to get them off of it without having to pay for it ? It's
all wrong and it will all come out in the end, Put look at who it is hurting the
most those kids ,
No, truth is not desired | 5:56 a.m. April 23, 2008
No, truth is not desired or even expected when it comes to the FLDS group. Had
the pervasive lying not occurred with names, birthdates, parentage, and so forth
changed EVERY SINGLE time the questions were asked, these children would already
be at home nursing at the bosom of mothers. But, the mothers taught the
children instead to lie and lie and lie again, by example. It is that lack of
truth that amplified the mess. If you have nothing to hide, the truth will set
you free.
JND | 6:12 a.m. April 23, 2008
Truth: I want it. Would you tell me?
russ | 6:23 a.m. April 23, 2008
You can blame the parents for this one. Texas is simply following the law set
up to protect kids from sexual abuse. Apparently the judge was not fooled.
Wish AZ and UT had such gutsy leadership.
Wish AZ and UT had such gutsy leadership.
GK from England | 6:31 a.m. April 23, 2008
Until there is proof of any sexual misconduct (as supposedly alledged) by any
person at the FLDS Ranch, these children should be allowed to stay with their
families. I feel really sorry for the children. Many of them must be frightened
and lost at what has happened to them and their parents. Are the needs of all
the children really being met in the best possible way by this extreme action
and WILL SIBLINGS BE KEPT TOGETHER???
well.. | 6:35 a.m. April 23, 2008
not all the kids were seperated from their mothers. Cause some are teenage girls
and their children went with them. I agree this is a mess. Actually I feel the
one responsible is Warren Jeffs and now this Jessop guy. They should be the ones
punished. But, these women seem to be brainwashed and don't know how to
think for themselves. I really don't think Texas is the worst place on
earth according to "The Stars At Night", they are doing there best
with a tough situation. Something had to be done. It's not right or legal
for teenage girls to be getting pregnant by grandpa age men.
Abe | 6:41 a.m. April 23, 2008
Where is Merrill Jessop? How come he's not being interviewed? How come
Larry King or GMA don't have him on?
Anonymous | 6:42 a.m. April 23, 2008
Punish all 416 kids because of 5 underage marriages found at this ranch??? ohhh
please !HOW SAD! The government is definitely the enemy to these people now.
Hitler lives | 6:44 a.m. April 23, 2008
You have entered the twilight zone...1940s Germany and Jack boothed thugs have
come to shatter your family. Or is it Cambodia, 1975. Khmer Rouge steal your
young children and teach them that there are no longer families--no parents, no
children. The "organization" is now your parent and must be obeyed
above all else.
Oh...the reality is that this is Texas, one of the United States of America and its 2008. Why does my heart weep for my country. Once a shining star on a hill--beacon of hope for the world. Now a despotic giant.
Oh...the reality is that this is Texas, one of the United States of America and its 2008. Why does my heart weep for my country. Once a shining star on a hill--beacon of hope for the world. Now a despotic giant.
chemist | 6:46 a.m. April 23, 2008
I hope the children do not end up back in the dreadful flds compound, however
after the deprogramming and exposure to the outside world many of the children
may not want to go back to YFZ even if allowed/ordered to.
just a Mom | 6:50 a.m. April 23, 2008
Thank God for Texas and the courage of officials there! My prayer is that they
will stay the course and not be swayed by all the hoopla. As someone who works
with abused children I know the pressure the agencies are under and admire very
much their courage.
Steve | 6:52 a.m. April 23, 2008
"Its obvious, if you look at the record, there have been some underage
marriages"
"Marriages at the YFZ ranch were not arranged by priesthood holders but rather were the decision of the girl and her family"
No teenager is "deciding" to get married to an adult male. FLDS marriages seem to have been all arranged, that's why those in Utah had their families "given" to someone else when they were kicked out. Now that attention is focused on the age of the brides its suddenly the decision of the girls and their families? I really doubt that.
"Marriages at the YFZ ranch were not arranged by priesthood holders but rather were the decision of the girl and her family"
No teenager is "deciding" to get married to an adult male. FLDS marriages seem to have been all arranged, that's why those in Utah had their families "given" to someone else when they were kicked out. Now that attention is focused on the age of the brides its suddenly the decision of the girls and their families? I really doubt that.
Underage Marriages | 6:58 a.m. April 23, 2008
"It's obvious, if you look at the record, there have been some
underage marriages," Parker told reporters on Tuesday. He said marriages at
the YFZ Ranch were not arranged by priesthood holders but rather were the
decision of the girl and her family.
Even the FLDS attorney is admitting that there were underage marriages.
I hope this can all be sorted out as quickly as possible, and that families that having not been abusing their children can be reunited.
But, bottom line, if the FLDS want their children back, they're going to have to abandon this practice of underage marriages.
If an underage marriage is a "spiritual" marriage, that is, not legally recognized by the state, the "marriage" would be illegal on two counts, age and polygamy. Any sexual relations in such an arrangement would be considered statutory rape.
Even the FLDS attorney is admitting that there were underage marriages.
I hope this can all be sorted out as quickly as possible, and that families that having not been abusing their children can be reunited.
But, bottom line, if the FLDS want their children back, they're going to have to abandon this practice of underage marriages.
If an underage marriage is a "spiritual" marriage, that is, not legally recognized by the state, the "marriage" would be illegal on two counts, age and polygamy. Any sexual relations in such an arrangement would be considered statutory rape.
Stupid | 6:59 a.m. April 23, 2008
What is going on in Texas is stupid. It is beyond reason to think that the
government has the power to rip your children away from you based upon
allegations alone. At least, I do not see any evidence that gives Judge Walther
(sp?) the power to do what she is doing. I do not care how crazy or messed up
the FLDS may be, they do not seem as bad as the people I see in the bad
neighborhoods all around the country, but those people get to keep their
children, even though they are neglected, abused (physically and sexually).
Stupid!!! That is the best word for the situation. I just cannot believe that we
are all sitting back and letting the government decide where these kids are
going to live. The kids would be better off with their parents, not some
government employed foster parent. Stupid!
chemist | 6:59 a.m. April 23, 2008
In Indiana if the cps takes children out of an abusive home the parents do not
know where the children are placed and have no say in what religion the foster
or group home practices. I find it incredulous that the flds parents and their
attorneys think they should have the right to dictate these things. The children
are in temporary custody of the state. The parents lost their rights to dictate
those things when the children were taken from the ranch. If the parents want to
regain custody of the children they better start working with cps instead of
fighting them.
Kevin in Texas | 7:01 a.m. April 23, 2008
This case of religious bigatroy should be condemend. Someone up the line from
this judge should put pressure on her to start making the correct leagal calls.
I still have not read of the evidence presented against these families in court.
All I have read are rumors that the state of Texas has propogated. No
"Sara" has been produced. The ages of the pregnant teens keeps rising
as time goes on. Now these families suffer, in my oppinion, unjustly. The
prosecution should be on the leaders of the respective church if there was
abuse, not on these children and their mothers.
Anonymous | 7:19 a.m. April 23, 2008
What is a mother going to secretly tell a baby? I can't believe they took
babies from their mothers especially if they are breast-feeding.
Mink | 7:27 a.m. April 23, 2008
Judge Walther is an elected official. The locals clearly have wanted these
"weirdos" out of their community for some time. So is it that she
"was not fooled"? Or does she just understand what the people
want?
It's not possible to properly handle this case in aggregate. The hearing was a fiasco. By treating the ranch as a single domicile, CPS and the judge have made it impossible to ensure due process for all involved simply because of the numbers of people.
There are larger constitutional questions. Do people who choose to own property in commom or under a trustee have reduced rights? There are clearly separate home structures on that ranch, but because the whole property is held in a single name, it was treated as a single domicile. If what happened there stands, then anyone living on property held in common may, in practice, have reduced personal rights. It's going to take years to sort all of this out.
It's not possible to properly handle this case in aggregate. The hearing was a fiasco. By treating the ranch as a single domicile, CPS and the judge have made it impossible to ensure due process for all involved simply because of the numbers of people.
There are larger constitutional questions. Do people who choose to own property in commom or under a trustee have reduced rights? There are clearly separate home structures on that ranch, but because the whole property is held in a single name, it was treated as a single domicile. If what happened there stands, then anyone living on property held in common may, in practice, have reduced personal rights. It's going to take years to sort all of this out.
DeLaval Milker | 7:27 a.m. April 23, 2008
Go texas. Hopefully, what comes out of this someday when some of these kids
discover themselves, will be some ardent people willing to show this cult for
what it is, unlike the authorities in Utah and Arizona.
Stella | 7:29 a.m. April 23, 2008
This is wrong on so many levels. You can't begin to find the truth when
you take a group this large and try to apply the law equally.
Each case should be looked at individually. If a crime has been committed then it should be prosecuted individually. Until then, children belong with their Mothers. Period.
In the meantime, Texas, you have gone in, stolen children from their Moms and caused trauma that only years will unfold.
Each case should be looked at individually. If a crime has been committed then it should be prosecuted individually. Until then, children belong with their Mothers. Period.
In the meantime, Texas, you have gone in, stolen children from their Moms and caused trauma that only years will unfold.
mk | 7:34 a.m. April 23, 2008
When you break a law you lose certain rights. If these children were in any kind
of danger it was right that they were removed and if you place your child in
danger you Should lose your rights to make decisions for them,
We all make choices on what we feel is right for our families and I don't think that there are many people who wake up and say " I am going to hurt my child today" But marriage and child rearing are not easy and they are hard for many adults, but when you have a child trying to raise a child it can be a disaster, neither one really has a chance. This group believes that this should be their way of life and if it continues there is going to be a huge population of people believing and passing this onto their kids. The problem will only compound. Freedom of religion is something I believe very strongly in, but, only as long as you are not hurting others. I also believes that the Lord wants us to follow the law of the land.
We all make choices on what we feel is right for our families and I don't think that there are many people who wake up and say " I am going to hurt my child today" But marriage and child rearing are not easy and they are hard for many adults, but when you have a child trying to raise a child it can be a disaster, neither one really has a chance. This group believes that this should be their way of life and if it continues there is going to be a huge population of people believing and passing this onto their kids. The problem will only compound. Freedom of religion is something I believe very strongly in, but, only as long as you are not hurting others. I also believes that the Lord wants us to follow the law of the land.
Dorothy | 7:39 a.m. April 23, 2008
It is rewarding to me to see so many people interested in this story.
Even though we come from different religious
back grounds we are all conserned for the welfare of these children.
What a wonderful opportunity it is for them to have a chance to live a normal life.
They look so happy on the bus.
Even though we come from different religious
back grounds we are all conserned for the welfare of these children.
What a wonderful opportunity it is for them to have a chance to live a normal life.
They look so happy on the bus.
Re: chemist | 7:39 a.m. April 23, 2008
Your comment was one of the most chilling I have read about this case on any
board. Essentially you have said that the state can take your children on the
basis of allegations alone (nothing is proven here yet - certainly not that a
"systemic pattern of abuse" puts all children of any age in jeopardy
of imminent harm).
According to you, once the state takes your children, they can have them indoctrinated any way they see fit. The only way you can get them back is to fall in line with the state. chemist, if you think this is okay, you are statist par excellence.
According to you, once the state takes your children, they can have them indoctrinated any way they see fit. The only way you can get them back is to fall in line with the state. chemist, if you think this is okay, you are statist par excellence.
The Texan | 7:46 a.m. April 23, 2008
I see the FLDS are still here posting hate messages.
Strange, lawyers represent their clients by standing in the way and not budging. How is that helpful?
Go CPS and DPS of Texas. Finest there are.
Kevin, Kevin, Kevin. You got most of your remarks 180 degrees out of reality. The ages keep going down for one. Duh! Judge is calling it by the law and this is going down the way all of these cases have gone for years. The problem is in El Dorado, not in the courtroom. Problems are resolved in the courtroom.
Strange, lawyers represent their clients by standing in the way and not budging. How is that helpful?
Go CPS and DPS of Texas. Finest there are.
Kevin, Kevin, Kevin. You got most of your remarks 180 degrees out of reality. The ages keep going down for one. Duh! Judge is calling it by the law and this is going down the way all of these cases have gone for years. The problem is in El Dorado, not in the courtroom. Problems are resolved in the courtroom.
Those kids | 7:48 a.m. April 23, 2008
Don't seem too sad for leaving.
Kudos to Texas!
Kudos to Texas!
There will be no justice in this | 7:50 a.m. April 23, 2008
The state of Texas and the CPS knows that what they have done is irreversible.
They know that the longer they can drag out the legal process, the smaller the
chance that constitutional and practical law can be brought to bear. Judge
Walther has carefully avoided any possibility for the dismemberment of the FLDS
community will ever recover from her heavy handed agenda and has masterfully
orchestrated this affair. Do not confuse bigotry with stupidity. There is no
stupidity in this plundering. This "sorting out" proces began and will
end as a violation of 4th amendment rights, the rumor mill of the press and the
state of Texas notwithstanding. If and when charges are brought against any who
have violated the law, it will far enough past the point of reason so that the
FLDS will never regain what has been unlawfully taken. I am not FLDS. I do not
favor abuse of children, but many of you like the Texans have played loose and
fast with the facts and the law, and many have suffered while you hide behind
your biases!
First they came ... | 7:56 a.m. April 23, 2008
Why do the LDS care so much about what is happening? Given all the
Mormon-bashing and deliberate misunderstanding about them, who can blame them
for seeing the obvious implications of what's going to happen next?
This poem by German pastor Martin Niemoller, written sometime during or after his imprisonment in WWII German concentration camps, says it all:
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
This poem by German pastor Martin Niemoller, written sometime during or after his imprisonment in WWII German concentration camps, says it all:
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
Which Law did she follow? | 8:06 a.m. April 23, 2008
The kids are being moved hundreds of miles away. Parents are denied visitation.
Texas Law or baptist law?
Your call.
Your call.
In Texas also | 8:11 a.m. April 23, 2008
I can hardly keep from laughing when I log on to the DN and read all these so
well informed opinions. Since when has the media ever given the entire unbiased
truth on any story. None of us know the facts I doubt if ever one of the lawyers
know the real facts of this case. I know that i would rather the state err on
the side of being to cautious than to let even one of these children be abused.
An these very wonderful actresses that are let speak to the cameras do not cause
me to think any better of the women of the FLDS. Please lets just pray for all
involved to do the best they can and not berate them for stepping up and trying
to help. When have you tried to help???? Me I am volunteering with the kids now
and they seem to have adjusted quite well once the women were removed. Just
happy Kids.
Dorthy | 8:15 a.m. April 23, 2008
They looked happy because they were told they were going 'home'. Now,
Texas never told where 'home' was. Remember when they took the
mothers away? They said they were just goning to a meeting. Then, like lambs to
the slaughter, they were hereded onto busses and taken away from the children,
without even being able to hug the kids goodby. EVEN Utah CPS allows for a
goodbye visit.
Of course the kids were happy. they thought they were going to go home to mom and dad.
Of course the kids were happy. they thought they were going to go home to mom and dad.
Melvin Purvis | 8:17 a.m. April 23, 2008
This is wrong, wrong, wrong! These kids belong with their parents - mothers at
least.
Who are they?? | 8:23 a.m. April 23, 2008
God said "I will have a tried people", What is your standing? He who
is giltless may throw the first stone. We are in a great battle of good and
evil, That is what this is about. If this was any other religion how would the
judge be acting. Go to www.Fldstruth.org and look at John Taylor, read the 1886
rev.
Where did Gods people go? If you give up one part of His Law you give it all up. He said "You Must Obey All My Laws To Go Where I Am". Who is more powerful God or the Government? The Lds Leaders were afraid of loseing there lands in 1886. Any Rev. that starts with "To whom it may concern" Is not of god. Fear and faith do not exist in the same place.
When his people are done being tryed and the world proved guilty, He will come out to lay a heavy hand.
Wher do you stand?????????????????????????
Where did Gods people go? If you give up one part of His Law you give it all up. He said "You Must Obey All My Laws To Go Where I Am". Who is more powerful God or the Government? The Lds Leaders were afraid of loseing there lands in 1886. Any Rev. that starts with "To whom it may concern" Is not of god. Fear and faith do not exist in the same place.
When his people are done being tryed and the world proved guilty, He will come out to lay a heavy hand.
Wher do you stand?????????????????????????
chemist | 8:24 a.m. April 23, 2008
I am telling you how it is in Indiana which I suspect is similar to many other
states. If there is an allegation of child abuse the cps goes to the home and if
they conclude the children are endangered they take the children out of the home
immediately. The children are placed in temporary foster homes or group homes.
The parents do not know where the children are placed and cannot dictate the
conditions of placement. CPS at this point has concluded that the parents are
the problem and they are removing the children from an abusive and dangerous
situation. CPS operates under a different set of rules than criminal cases.
STOP | 8:29 a.m. April 23, 2008
You want less confusion of FLDS and LDS, STOP publishing SO MANY stories. Geez.
Get a life.
Mink | 8:34 a.m. April 23, 2008
Sure the kids look happy. They finally get to leave this makeshift shelter,
where they have slept in cots on the floor cheek to jowl. They get to go on a
bus ride. Perhaps they are generally happy children because they have not been
subjected to chronic abuse. Many of you show a real ignorance of what children
are like.
I don't know if you're trying to salve your misgivings about this, but drawing such a broad inference (that the children are happy about their separation from loved ones) from a couple of photographs or a short bit of video is silly.
I don't know if you're trying to salve your misgivings about this, but drawing such a broad inference (that the children are happy about their separation from loved ones) from a couple of photographs or a short bit of video is silly.
Re: In Texas also | 8:40 a.m. April 23, 2008
Kids subjected to chronic abuse and in imminent danger of harm are generally not
"just happy kids". They would have problems - behavioral, emotional,
physical. If these kids don't have these problems, as you suggest they
don't, aren't you the least bit troubled that the state has taken them
all into foster care?
Nazi FLDS | 8:46 a.m. April 23, 2008
Let's call the kettle black, shall we? It's the FLDS who are the
Nazi's....not the US govt.
It's been reported elsewhere that there weren't any toys at the compound. 416 children and no toys? When they were given a crayon at the coliseum, they didn't know what it was.
Those kids are probably going to be really happy now. Where are all of the men? Why don't they come to their children's rescue? Open your eyes people!!! Yes, go Texas.
It's been reported elsewhere that there weren't any toys at the compound. 416 children and no toys? When they were given a crayon at the coliseum, they didn't know what it was.
Those kids are probably going to be really happy now. Where are all of the men? Why don't they come to their children's rescue? Open your eyes people!!! Yes, go Texas.
Teresa | 8:47 a.m. April 23, 2008
It is a tough situation for all. No one likes to see families destroyed but
wrong is wrong. Polygamy in this country is illegal. Forcing young girls into
marriage is wrong. The brainwashing of the women and children in this situation
is wrong. I would hope that the mothers and children can stay together and
undergo extensive therapy to help them change their way of thinking and
recognize that the situation they were taken from was disguisting and immoral
and that they deserve to have a better life. Then, if the adults are unwilling
to change, then yes, take the children to at least give them the hope of a life
where they are free to think for themselves. Yeah for Texas for finally
cracking down on the law but sad for the children and families who are being
affected. Reality can be harsh sometimes but these things need to happen if we
expect things to change.
A True Texan | 8:48 a.m. April 23, 2008
You got to laugh at all the Mormans and FMormans that love to bash each other. I
guess what Jesus said about loving your brother doesn't apply here.
And to all you Texas haters and glad to live in Utah: I know your dilema...you would not be able to pay State Income Tax if you lived there.
And to all you Texas haters and glad to live in Utah: I know your dilema...you would not be able to pay State Income Tax if you lived there.
so sad | 8:56 a.m. April 23, 2008
IN TEXAS ALSO....you are as brainwashed as those people are supposed to be. If
you think that because a child can laugh, or smile or play that they are happy.
Just try asking parents of depressed children, small to teen, if their children
ever waved or smiled. Then if you get a no, lets go to lunch and talk about it.
They are trying to live. If they didn't live they would die. Depression is
not as simple as you make it sound and simple sadness is not either. I think
there was a song once that said something like "smile, tho your heart is
breaking...'.
Just wondering | 8:57 a.m. April 23, 2008
Just wondering if after all this is done and over with if Texas courts will then
start going after all the inner-city under-age pregnancies (mostly black and
Hispanic) and seeing that those children are also brought up in a way that
doesn't perpetuate an abusive cycle--as that seems to be the basis of the
claims here.
Failing to do that would seem to indicate that Texans (and the rest of the US) are only interested in the well-being of white folks' kids.
But that would be cynical of me to imply that there are racist undertones in what's going on here in Texas . . .
Or perhaps they don't take care of the inner-city cycle of abuse precisely because they're afraid of the charges of racism. If that were the case then their concern for the children was being trumped by their concern not to be labeled as racist bigots.
But then, in this case, their concern for the white children has trumped their concern for being labeled religious bigots. (Which brings up a whole new cynical question: Is it really religious bigotry if it's just some Mormon offshoot and you're in Texas?)
Failing to do that would seem to indicate that Texans (and the rest of the US) are only interested in the well-being of white folks' kids.
But that would be cynical of me to imply that there are racist undertones in what's going on here in Texas . . .
Or perhaps they don't take care of the inner-city cycle of abuse precisely because they're afraid of the charges of racism. If that were the case then their concern for the children was being trumped by their concern not to be labeled as racist bigots.
But then, in this case, their concern for the white children has trumped their concern for being labeled religious bigots. (Which brings up a whole new cynical question: Is it really religious bigotry if it's just some Mormon offshoot and you're in Texas?)
Anonymous | 8:57 a.m. April 23, 2008
I'm glad AZ and UT don't have the 'gutsy' leadership to
trample the constitutional rights of it's citizens.
Grandma | 9:00 a.m. April 23, 2008
This is a dreadful event, handled poorly. I can't believe it happened in
this country. Such a strong reaction from an unidentifed telephone call. The
children are yanked away from their mothers, but no one is going after the men.
???!!!, If abuse is really happening, the men ought to be held accountable for
it. "Don't mess with Texas?" This is not righteous anger,it
gives a message that men can do whatever they want in Texas.
For years we've been trying to turn around ideas that a rape victim is guilty until proven innocent, but here there is no consideration for the mothers who are victims also! Victims of brainwashing!
If abuse isn't occuring, then this whole situation becomes a hate event, fanning up emotions not only for the FLDS but for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which has nothing to do with the FLDS people. Lumping them together is like saying all Christians are similar to the White Supremicists or the KKK. Yes, there are common roots, but all Christians have common roots, also.
Shame on everyone!
There is a lot of ugliness in this country right now.
For years we've been trying to turn around ideas that a rape victim is guilty until proven innocent, but here there is no consideration for the mothers who are victims also! Victims of brainwashing!
If abuse isn't occuring, then this whole situation becomes a hate event, fanning up emotions not only for the FLDS but for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which has nothing to do with the FLDS people. Lumping them together is like saying all Christians are similar to the White Supremicists or the KKK. Yes, there are common roots, but all Christians have common roots, also.
Shame on everyone!
There is a lot of ugliness in this country right now.
Re: chemist | 9:02 a.m. April 23, 2008
I understand that CPS has enormous powers. That's the problem. My
question is: do you think they should?
The way things stand, CPS can take any of our children on the basis of the seriousness of allegations. They are not all-knowing gods. And their actions often harm children. Anyone who's interested can find myriad examples of wrongful CPS actions. Based on Texas's own statistics, the odds are that 2-5 of this large group of children will be sexually abused in foster care (most likely by other older children in the system).
This is why I questioned your comment. You implied that you think the FLDS parents have no right to be concerned about their children in the foster care system. Fortunately, their lawyers don't agree with you.
The way things stand, CPS can take any of our children on the basis of the seriousness of allegations. They are not all-knowing gods. And their actions often harm children. Anyone who's interested can find myriad examples of wrongful CPS actions. Based on Texas's own statistics, the odds are that 2-5 of this large group of children will be sexually abused in foster care (most likely by other older children in the system).
This is why I questioned your comment. You implied that you think the FLDS parents have no right to be concerned about their children in the foster care system. Fortunately, their lawyers don't agree with you.
I Was Born In Texas | 9:04 a.m. April 23, 2008
but I now disavow my birth place. It is criminal what these Nazi types have
done to these children. Hopefully the federal authorities will step in and put
those responsible ones in prison.
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