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FLDS children being moved into foster homes as DNA testing continues
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Dee | 9:37 p.m. April 22, 2008
One of the reason the number is children is changing is the State of Texas is
now "encouraging" the women/children to lie. They told the women: If
you are over age 17/18 and have a child, they child will be taken away from you
and you HAVE to leave them or go to a shelter without them. Either way you will
be separated from your baby.... BUT, if you tell us you are UNDERAGE you can
stay with your baby. What would you do if you were age 19 with a new baby?
Tell your real age and have your nursing baby taken away or lie and say you were
16 so you could stay with it? This is Sophie's Choice.
Not Surprising | 9:43 p.m. April 22, 2008
This is the result of FLDS thumbing their noses at the law for 100 years.
Leroy G. | 10:07 p.m. April 22, 2008
If indeed a significant number of young women have been determined to be
actually adults then CPS has been wrong when it said they were not adults. So if
they seem to look younger, how can we be sure that any of these are under 17.
But just because they have been wrong in some cases does not prove they are
wrong in all. There must be at least a few they are right about , they simply
better not be wrong about all of them.
Angie Voss of the CPS testified under oath that there was at least one of these underage pregnant, or with a child in each of the 19 households. Clearly that is going to prove to be false. She probably honestly believed it was true when she testified. I wonder if she does now.
Angie Voss of the CPS testified under oath that there was at least one of these underage pregnant, or with a child in each of the 19 households. Clearly that is going to prove to be false. She probably honestly believed it was true when she testified. I wonder if she does now.
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Just think | 10:38 p.m. April 22, 2008
All this started with a few lies told by a want to be prophet. Sound familiar?
Roll Call | 10:37 p.m. April 22, 2008
Is it just me or do all the children look alike?
Look In The Bus!!! | 11:26 p.m. April 22, 2008
The kids look alive and are waving and are happy, for a change. I saw the one
news clip of the kids running with an adult in a yellow vest, they were having
fun. These kids are probably not having to much separation anxiety, cause they
don't know who to be anxious about being separated from.
Rob | 12:00 a.m. April 23, 2008
FLDS founders rejected God's prophet long ago when they refused to believe
Wilford Woodruff when he said God told him it was time for the church to stop
practicing polygamy.
I have never understood how a people who claim they will follow God's prophet no matter how hard it gets, justify not following the prophet when he told them God commanded that the practice of polygamy cease?
No matter, the story is now once again turning to trying to confuse people about who Mormon's are and what they believe.
"... in an era full of imposters and fanatics, the Mormons alone are deprived of their rights." Missouri governor Daniel Dunklin
"Americans have but one native religion [Mormonism] and that one is the sole apparent exception to the American rule of universal toleration". Scribner's Monthly
I have never understood how a people who claim they will follow God's prophet no matter how hard it gets, justify not following the prophet when he told them God commanded that the practice of polygamy cease?
No matter, the story is now once again turning to trying to confuse people about who Mormon's are and what they believe.
"... in an era full of imposters and fanatics, the Mormons alone are deprived of their rights." Missouri governor Daniel Dunklin
"Americans have but one native religion [Mormonism] and that one is the sole apparent exception to the American rule of universal toleration". Scribner's Monthly
What Law??? | 12:19 a.m. April 23, 2008
Lawlessness.The Old west.
AJ | 12:40 a.m. April 23, 2008
@FLDS Deception | 9:03 p.m. Apr. 22, 2008
Just to set the record straight, I am a 37 year old male from the Netherlands with 1 wife and 3 kids. I have never been a part of the FLDS. I have only ever been baptized and confirmed a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I also uphold the Church as being the only true Church on the face of this Earth.
As for my previous post, I was only pointing out the inaccuracy of the following statement: "Go look at their cultist walls of prophets...none the same." As it turns out the 1st 3 on their wall of Presidents are the same as ours.
Let God judge between you and me. As for me, I forgive you your unfounded accusations.
Just to set the record straight, I am a 37 year old male from the Netherlands with 1 wife and 3 kids. I have never been a part of the FLDS. I have only ever been baptized and confirmed a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I also uphold the Church as being the only true Church on the face of this Earth.
As for my previous post, I was only pointing out the inaccuracy of the following statement: "Go look at their cultist walls of prophets...none the same." As it turns out the 1st 3 on their wall of Presidents are the same as ours.
Let God judge between you and me. As for me, I forgive you your unfounded accusations.
John | 12:45 a.m. April 23, 2008
Sadly every denomination in the US has or has had pedophiles and rapists.Here
in NYC you have the Hassidic Jewish Cults.Though monogomous they tend to have
large familys.567 children.Most are poor.Very insulated from the world.Guess who
foots the Bill.Maybe us NY Taxpayers ought to hire this Judge Walthers and CPS.I
think not.This is a series of days of Infamy in the history of Texas.We are all
at risk our familys our children our grandchildren the longer this cultural
religious genocide continues shielded by the color of state law.
John Cohen
John Cohen
A Mom too | 1:21 a.m. April 23, 2008
A debacle that's been practiced for too many years. Yes, the women are so
brainwashed; that comes from a life of abuse in itself; their life history
repeating over and over, they know no better. Let us all pray that this comes to
a clear and quick end for everyone concerned. Funny how Texas Social workers
jumped on this-How many times have you heard a child had been abused over and
over and DPSS turned a blind eye until it was too late? Maybe the rest of the US
needs to pay closer attention to how Texas handles these types of complaints.
Maikki | 1:29 a.m. April 23, 2008
Why didn't they arrest the men? Where are the men? Instead they've
arrested the children.
Some may argue with that, but think of it. They've torn children away from their mothers, away from their homes, and away from their siblings. They've put them in an environment they don't understand and won't allow them to go home. Sounds like an arrest to me.
And I can't really blame the mothers. They don't know any other life. It's not as if they had choices because if you don't know that you have choices, you don't have choices.
Imagine if the government decided to go after the group or religion you belong to?
And no I'm not pro-polygamy. I've wanted for years for the law to crack down on these men that marry children and rape them. But they haven't cracked down on the men. They punished the victims.
Some may argue with that, but think of it. They've torn children away from their mothers, away from their homes, and away from their siblings. They've put them in an environment they don't understand and won't allow them to go home. Sounds like an arrest to me.
And I can't really blame the mothers. They don't know any other life. It's not as if they had choices because if you don't know that you have choices, you don't have choices.
Imagine if the government decided to go after the group or religion you belong to?
And no I'm not pro-polygamy. I've wanted for years for the law to crack down on these men that marry children and rape them. But they haven't cracked down on the men. They punished the victims.
Truth | 1:55 a.m. April 23, 2008
fldstruth.org
Looking in | 1:58 a.m. April 23, 2008
go to fldstruth.org
Rhe | 10:34 a.m. April 23, 2008
All of you, read Carolyn Jessop's book. You will ALL have a very different
view of the FLDS.
Mother&ex-abused | 12:01 p.m. April 23, 2008
Okay so Mink Genocide is a bit extream dont you think?
They went in and discovered pregnant teens yes?
Would that not suggest at the very least willing sex between a minor and a MAN seeing as they turn the boys away as they become teenagers? Can we remember that even if the teen is willing it is still considered statchatory rape. (spelling is wrong i already know that) So are you saying we should just take the pregnant teens and what WAIT for MORE underage girls to become pregnant. The state HAD to take those children or break the law, seeing as any child that could be in danger has to be removed. We have to look at facts and one of those happenes to be thay there are many underage mothers at the ranch. Some sort of sex abuse had to be going on, willingly or forced it is still a crime to have sex with a minor. THIS IS NOT GENOCIDE IT IS THE PROTECTION OF CHILDREN. And i am happy they treated it as one household. It was gated, as if it were one household. We have to protect all of them right?
They went in and discovered pregnant teens yes?
Would that not suggest at the very least willing sex between a minor and a MAN seeing as they turn the boys away as they become teenagers? Can we remember that even if the teen is willing it is still considered statchatory rape. (spelling is wrong i already know that) So are you saying we should just take the pregnant teens and what WAIT for MORE underage girls to become pregnant. The state HAD to take those children or break the law, seeing as any child that could be in danger has to be removed. We have to look at facts and one of those happenes to be thay there are many underage mothers at the ranch. Some sort of sex abuse had to be going on, willingly or forced it is still a crime to have sex with a minor. THIS IS NOT GENOCIDE IT IS THE PROTECTION OF CHILDREN. And i am happy they treated it as one household. It was gated, as if it were one household. We have to protect all of them right?
Candice | 2:30 p.m. April 23, 2008
Thank you Walther, best attorney ever!!!! These kids are better off in these
foster homes. Now they will have a chance to have there own ideas, thoughts,
plans in life, options, & won't be sheltered by FLDS so-called moms
& dads.
hmmmm | 8:49 p.m. April 23, 2008
The reason the lawyer didnt contest DNA was
they even came out and said they didnt know who the
parents were read back through all the new posts
they even came out and said they didnt know who the
parents were read back through all the new posts
Home school mom | 9:33 a.m. April 24, 2008
Why on earth didn't CPS just take the girls over, say, ten and leave the
rest of the children with their mothers? What? Going by the book? It's
child abuse, pure and simple, to seperate small children, much less nursing
babies, from their moms. Can you imagine the terror of a two-year-old in a
strange bed in a strange house? It gives me shivers.
I am not religious, but I am a mother. The tenets of the wacko FLDS church look too much to me like a way for the alpha males silverbacks in that troop to control their young male rivals and, of course, monopolize the breeding females. However, the thought of all those children ripped from the arms of their mothers and sent to live with strangers makes me spitting mad.
I am not religious, but I am a mother. The tenets of the wacko FLDS church look too much to me like a way for the alpha males silverbacks in that troop to control their young male rivals and, of course, monopolize the breeding females. However, the thought of all those children ripped from the arms of their mothers and sent to live with strangers makes me spitting mad.
Hey Home School mom | 9:45 a.m. April 25, 2008
If any of the children were hurt or died had CPS left the younger children in
the custody of the FLDS, you would be the first to scream that ALL the children
especially the most helpless nursing babies should have been removed. You
can't have it both ways. In ANY other child abuse case, the children are
ALL removed and the mothers may not have ANY contact. This is preferential
treatment that neither you nor I would have if the tables were turned on us.
Again, this is preferential treatment that as individuals you or I WOULD NOT
have.
You also forgot to add how readily those same mothers were to abandon their excess sons. Funny how many mothers are NOT returning to the ranch but instead going to safe houses. My how the tune is changing with only 7 returning to the FLDS YFZ ranch.
You also forgot to add how readily those same mothers were to abandon their excess sons. Funny how many mothers are NOT returning to the ranch but instead going to safe houses. My how the tune is changing with only 7 returning to the FLDS YFZ ranch.
5th Ammendment | 10:58 p.m. April 25, 2008
Why is nobody talking about the forcible taking of DNA evidence as a violation
of the fifth ammendment prohibition against forcible self incrimination? What
happened to, "No person...shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a
witness against himself..."?
ROSE | 8:36 p.m. April 27, 2008
Rhe was absolutely correct. I was horrified at children being torn from their
parents. Then I read Carolyn Jessup's book, "Escape" and applaud
that Texas is handling this mess ending years of abuse and corruption. If a
woman wants her children, let her fight for them and prove they are worthy of
raising those children in a non-abusive loving environment. How could loving
mothers let their teen sons be dumped on an interstate and told they can not
come home (the lost boys). For shame on those mothers who let their teen age
daughters marry men 30, 40 years older than themselves to add to their
family's "political" importance.
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Children from the FLDS Church are transported from the San Angelo Coliseum in San Angelo, Texas, Tuesday to various parts of the state of Texas after 51st District Judge Barbara Walther signed an order to place the children in foster care facilities.
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