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Re: Non-Texan | 3:24 p.m. April 22, 2008
"each of the FLDS children will have the exact same DNA"???
You obviously don't have a clue about how DNA identification works do you? Do a little research and come back when you know what you're talking about.
You obviously don't have a clue about how DNA identification works do you? Do a little research and come back when you know what you're talking about.
Re: Mink, et al | 3:28 p.m. April 22, 2008
This isn't genocide, but hopefully, it will force the FLDS to stop abusing
their children.
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zoar | 3:42 p.m. April 22, 2008
Yes, the brave new world waits. A word of pornography easily assessable to even
children, drugs, violence, pre-marital sex, adultery, homosexuality, child
abuse; believe it or not the outside world has this too. What else awaits them;
let us see rap music, thong underwear, tattoos, piercing, gangs, abortions,
campus killings, corrupt politicians, war, and terrorism. We rescue them from
their environment and put them right into Sodom and Gomorrah. Maybe we should
clean up our own backyard before we try to reform the FLDS.
Hey Non-Texan | 3:42 p.m. April 22, 2008
Clearly you are also a non-scientist. While it will become clear that many
people are interrelated, they will not appear to be the same person. My brother
is married to my husband's sister and has children. My husband and I have
children. My children's Mitochondrial DNA is completely different than my
brother's children and my son's y chromosomes are completely different
than my nephew's. While this might seem complicated for you to understand,
it is fairly simple to someone that works with d.n.a.
Texas Hold 'Em | 3:48 p.m. April 22, 2008
Regardless of where you fall on this, one thing is certain: You break it, you
own it. And this is one broken mess that the State of Texas is going to own for
a long, long time. As with Iraq, it's easy to raid the ranch. What's
not easy is extracting yourself from the havoc you've reeked. And the
inability to extract yourself from such handiwork is a costly business indeed.
My money says we'll be out of Iraq long before the FLDS are out of the Texas court system. And as for Texan's money--I think we all know where that's going, to the tune of hundreds of millions of tax dollars before this whole sordid affair wraps up.
My money says we'll be out of Iraq long before the FLDS are out of the Texas court system. And as for Texan's money--I think we all know where that's going, to the tune of hundreds of millions of tax dollars before this whole sordid affair wraps up.
NO "is this America" | 3:49 p.m. April 22, 2008
This in not just about "what you believe." Is it about what they
practice. If you know a person to be committing rape and congratulate her on
her marriage, you participate. If you know a woman to want to escape and tattle
on her, you are complicit. If you know a boy has been abandoned and also shun
him, you are complicit. If you know that a minor is marrying and do nothing, you
are complicit.
TO: Zoar | 3:50 p.m. April 22, 2008
Wow, I didn't know thong undies were a moral issue. I wonder why you would
care what undies somebody has on. I personally support the singing of the
"thong-song".
Re: Re: Re: America | 3:51 p.m. April 22, 2008
Sorry buddy, but the kids were removed because all of them were potentially at
risk of being abused.
There is no argument that forcing 13-16 y/o girls into spiritual marriages is sexual abuse -- it's statutory rape, period.
If even one child in a household is being abused, then the state is obligated to remove all of the children. Since there were multiple underage girls living in the compound who were either pregnant or were already mothers, that's evidence of possible abuse.
Since the FLDS were unwilling to identify which children belonged to which households, Texas was fully within its right and duty to remove all the kids to protect them from potential further abuse.
The same people who are complaining about Texas overstepping its authority, would be calling for Texas CPS heads to roll if parents in a single family home gave their 13 year old daughter to a 50 year old man so he could sexually abuse her, and CPS allowed the parents to retain custody of the rest of their kids.
There is no argument that forcing 13-16 y/o girls into spiritual marriages is sexual abuse -- it's statutory rape, period.
If even one child in a household is being abused, then the state is obligated to remove all of the children. Since there were multiple underage girls living in the compound who were either pregnant or were already mothers, that's evidence of possible abuse.
Since the FLDS were unwilling to identify which children belonged to which households, Texas was fully within its right and duty to remove all the kids to protect them from potential further abuse.
The same people who are complaining about Texas overstepping its authority, would be calling for Texas CPS heads to roll if parents in a single family home gave their 13 year old daughter to a 50 year old man so he could sexually abuse her, and CPS allowed the parents to retain custody of the rest of their kids.
Anonymous | 3:59 p.m. April 22, 2008
there are other kinds of abuse besides sexual and physical. are you all
forgetting about mental abuse???
Good on texas, Just wish Utah would be so brave.
Good on texas, Just wish Utah would be so brave.
Anti-FLDS | 4:00 p.m. April 22, 2008
I just wonder how many of these comments are coming from FLDS members trying to
brainwash those of us on the outside? Pedophiles should be prosecuted or worse
and children should be protected which is what is trying to be done by Texas
Child Protective Services. The FLDS is also to blame for the chaos these
children are now being subjected to...it is because of their abuse and lies upon
lies to cover it up that the children are in this sad situation. God(not
Warren!) bless the children and those who have been abused by this CULT!
wrz | 4:05 p.m. April 22, 2008
>>Just thought I would remind those on here feeling sorry for the FLDS and
claiming Texas is picking on this innocent religious group that the
"prophet" of this harmless group of people is behind bars for marrying
an unwilling 14 year old girl to a 19 year old boy<<
He was found guilty of "accomplice to rape." Funnily enough, the "rapist," her husband has not been convicted of rape. So where's the rape? Interesting how the law works when the system wants to destroy a religion... despite the First Amendment.
He was found guilty of "accomplice to rape." Funnily enough, the "rapist," her husband has not been convicted of rape. So where's the rape? Interesting how the law works when the system wants to destroy a religion... despite the First Amendment.
Shame on our country | 4:08 p.m. April 22, 2008
So sad for the parents where is the freedom of choice for the ones who had no
part in any of the abuse.
Welcome to the baptist belt
Welcome to the baptist belt
Curiouser and curiouser | 4:14 p.m. April 22, 2008
Absolutely stamp out sexual abuse everywhere in the United States! Following
Texas' educational example, we should take DNA from babies and aborted
fetuses of all underage mothers throughout the United States, and order DNA to
be taken from all males in their respective social circles. Statutory rape.
And while we are at it, I have friends whose son has considered becoming an
altar boy. Perhaps we need Texas' finest to ensure their son will have a
safe environment wherever he serves at the altar.
Cookie | 4:18 p.m. April 22, 2008
"Know the truth and the truth shall set you free."
Did you see Dr.Phil today? The truth is coming out
about generations of abuse. Tommorrow, the "lost boys" speak out. Go,Texas.
Did you see Dr.Phil today? The truth is coming out
about generations of abuse. Tommorrow, the "lost boys" speak out. Go,Texas.
wrz | 4:18 p.m. April 22, 2008
>>Texas will ensure that these children will have
a chance to paint their future with more than
just crayons.<<
I had crayons as a kid. I ate them. Apparently I thought they were some kind of goodie.
a chance to paint their future with more than
just crayons.<<
I had crayons as a kid. I ate them. Apparently I thought they were some kind of goodie.
G | 4:22 p.m. April 22, 2008
Here's an ironic statement:
"Evidence isn't publically released so defendants' rights to a fair trial are preserved. If all the evidence is released, the public can form their own opinions on a case before it goes to trial"
And then, from the same comment:
"I find it sadly amusing people on here want the children to go back to the place where the children were abused, denied their agency and raped."
Wow, I'm sure glad they'll have a "fair trial".
"Evidence isn't publically released so defendants' rights to a fair trial are preserved. If all the evidence is released, the public can form their own opinions on a case before it goes to trial"
And then, from the same comment:
"I find it sadly amusing people on here want the children to go back to the place where the children were abused, denied their agency and raped."
Wow, I'm sure glad they'll have a "fair trial".
Reggie Washington | 4:24 p.m. April 22, 2008
I feel bad for you white folks. If you don't fight for your race you have
lost everything. I don't want to live in a jewish controled USA. Please
begin the war to save the usa now before it's too late.
Fred | 4:23 p.m. April 22, 2008
>>So with that said, FLDS members either need to obey the laws or continue
to break the laws and go to jail.<<
If the law was broken those who broke the law, and only those who broke the law, should be prosecuted in a court of law. Once the alleged law breaker is found guilty then and only then should the children be taken away. And only from those found guilty. Texas has the cart before the horse.
If the law was broken those who broke the law, and only those who broke the law, should be prosecuted in a court of law. Once the alleged law breaker is found guilty then and only then should the children be taken away. And only from those found guilty. Texas has the cart before the horse.
KantUnderstand | 4:26 p.m. April 22, 2008
I don't think most observers can feel what is happening. More is happening
than can be comprehended within one concept and hence in one determinate
linguistic expression by misguided newscasters.
I am LDS. I understand (or believe I do) the place plural marriage had in our early history. I realize the Lord giveth and taketh away. Our church fought for its constitutional rights to worship how, where and what we may. I DO NOT want a return of the old days or the old ways BUT..........
Why are we so quick to condemn. Why are we so quick to disassociate ourselves. Many FLDS are distant family members. (some not do distant).
If real laws have been broken that is one thing. If children are being hurt that must stop and is despicable.
Mass arrest seems wrong to me. Children away from their mothers seems wrong to me.
I am LDS. I understand (or believe I do) the place plural marriage had in our early history. I realize the Lord giveth and taketh away. Our church fought for its constitutional rights to worship how, where and what we may. I DO NOT want a return of the old days or the old ways BUT..........
Why are we so quick to condemn. Why are we so quick to disassociate ourselves. Many FLDS are distant family members. (some not do distant).
If real laws have been broken that is one thing. If children are being hurt that must stop and is despicable.
Mass arrest seems wrong to me. Children away from their mothers seems wrong to me.
you'll be next | 4:32 p.m. April 22, 2008
First they will nab the FLDS lawbreakers.
Then they will be coming after the LDS lawbreakers.
In this law-of-the-land neocon society we live in -
it's just what they do.
Then they will be coming after the LDS lawbreakers.
In this law-of-the-land neocon society we live in -
it's just what they do.
Anonymous | 4:49 p.m. April 22, 2008
May God save America if there are very many people as judgemental and vindictive
and some of these posts represent.
Take Responsibility | 4:49 p.m. April 22, 2008
Texas officials would show strength of character if they would back off now that
the reason for the raid has apparently proven to be a hoax.
Instead they show themselves afraid to show the world they made a mistake.
Instead they show themselves afraid to show the world they made a mistake.
Re Denny Andrews | 12:17 p.m. | 4:56 p.m. April 22, 2008
"I heard on bbc world service that there's some sort of election
thing, a non flds related news story, also going on in the US somewhere...
"
Elections happen all the time, since when is the taking of over 400 children based upon a hoax and then the government refusing to give them back not serious news?
Elections happen all the time, since when is the taking of over 400 children based upon a hoax and then the government refusing to give them back not serious news?
m | 4:58 p.m. April 22, 2008
People - we are forgetting that we do not have all the facts at this point and
should not be making judgements about the preceedings until we have all the
facts - which may be never. I am ashamed of the know-it-all attitudes I have
seen on this forum.
Do the Right Thing | 5:03 p.m. April 22, 2008
Ever heard of the Danites? You can be certain the FLDS have. I hope Texas
officials do the right thing. Now that this has been shown to be based upon a
hoax, I hope Texas officials have the good sense and strength of character to
back off and not take their babies and kids.
RE: You'll be next | 5:06 p.m. April 22, 2008
I see no reason why lds, flds, catholic, jewish, atheist, muslim, baptist,
agnostic and all other lawbreakers be arrested for...Breaking the law. Religion
is not the issue but law breaking.
Mink | 5:09 p.m. April 22, 2008
So far, no one has provided a well-reasoned argument why what Texas is doing
cannot be viewed as genocide under Article II (e) of the Convention on the
Prevention and Punishment of Genocide. Just a "This isn't
genocide..." comment. Where's your argument?
If the state attempts to stamp out a religious group by taking ALL their children and giving them to others, that fits the definition of genocide under international law. Is this not what Texas CPS is trying to do? If you say no, read their affidavits and their testimony during the hearing.
And by the way, it is the weakest of arguments to smear anyone who questions the actions of the State of Texas as FLDS or an FLDS sympathizer. I view them as reprobate apostates, but I can't condone the wholesale abandonment of human rights in an effort to "fix the problem". It won't work anyway. They will only become more insular and secretive - Texas has fufilled the prophesies of their leaders. The approach being pursued by Utah and Arizona is far more effective in the long run without torturing human rights.
Additionally, Dr. Phil is hardly a reliable source.
If the state attempts to stamp out a religious group by taking ALL their children and giving them to others, that fits the definition of genocide under international law. Is this not what Texas CPS is trying to do? If you say no, read their affidavits and their testimony during the hearing.
And by the way, it is the weakest of arguments to smear anyone who questions the actions of the State of Texas as FLDS or an FLDS sympathizer. I view them as reprobate apostates, but I can't condone the wholesale abandonment of human rights in an effort to "fix the problem". It won't work anyway. They will only become more insular and secretive - Texas has fufilled the prophesies of their leaders. The approach being pursued by Utah and Arizona is far more effective in the long run without torturing human rights.
Additionally, Dr. Phil is hardly a reliable source.
Never | 5:23 p.m. April 22, 2008
Child abuse in any form will never be tolerated in mainstream Christian America.
Re: Cookie | 4:18 | 5:25 p.m. April 22, 2008
Yo. I caught part of Dr. Phil, with Jeff's niece. Fondling children is the
norm. Not to mention the whole blood atonement thing. Definitely a bunch of
robotic stepford wives. Very creepy all the way around.
Concerned | 5:25 p.m. April 22, 2008
Did anyone notice the comment of Jean Hill, the Democractic candidate for AG on
the issue? She said in the St. George Spectrum that she would open a branch of
the AGs office in Southern Utah to deal with polygamy issues.
Re: Zoar | 5:27 p.m. April 22, 2008
Sure our backyard is messed up, that's not the point. The point is these
kids aren't even given the chance to choose what they want in life. Forcing
people to live a certain way is archaic and medival. From your comment, sounds
like you are in favor of forcing everyone to live certain standards. Sounds like
you would prefer a dictatorship or communist government and are in favor of
sensorship, forced curfews and standard uniforms for everyone. I certainly hope
you aren't complaining on here about the FLDS being denied their
"rights" because it sounds as though you aren't in favor of
anyone having any rights. How dare people think for themselves!
Did you not read the mental capacity and decision ability of 16 year olds at the FLDS ranch is just as good as your average 6 year old's living outside of YFZ Ranch. Sorry, I choose the messy backyard and the ability to think for myself.
Did you not read the mental capacity and decision ability of 16 year olds at the FLDS ranch is just as good as your average 6 year old's living outside of YFZ Ranch. Sorry, I choose the messy backyard and the ability to think for myself.
Re Genocide | 5:29 p.m. April 22, 2008
Mink,
This is not all of the children belonging to the FLDS. It is only the group that lived on ONE peice of property which makes it "like" one house. Their are hundreds if not thousands of children living elswhere that were not a part of this raid.
Not genocide... I hope that answers the question you have had.
This is not all of the children belonging to the FLDS. It is only the group that lived on ONE peice of property which makes it "like" one house. Their are hundreds if not thousands of children living elswhere that were not a part of this raid.
Not genocide... I hope that answers the question you have had.
Mink | 5:41 p.m. April 22, 2008
It doesn't have to be all the FLDS children in the world to qualify as a
genocidal act. All Tutsis in the world were not subject to Hutu death squads,
just those in Rwanda. Does that mean what went on in Rwanda was not genocide?
This is essentially all FLDS children in Western Texas.
Besides, many posters here and elsewhere have called for the same kind of raids in Utah, Arizona, South Dakota, etc. Would that somehow bother you more than this?
We'll see if the "ranch was a single domicile" argument holds up on lengthy appeal. I doubt it will.
Besides, many posters here and elsewhere have called for the same kind of raids in Utah, Arizona, South Dakota, etc. Would that somehow bother you more than this?
We'll see if the "ranch was a single domicile" argument holds up on lengthy appeal. I doubt it will.
False Ages | 5:43 p.m. April 22, 2008
The Deseret News either conveniently forgot to report it or just didn't do
a good job or reporting, but here's a what CNN is reporting:
"The initial count was rushed, they said, and they have discovered that some females were not 18 or older, as they claimed. Those young women are now being counted as minors."
So sounds like we had some poor counting, which is understandable given the large number of kids as well as some lying going on.
Deseret News, tell your reporters to ask better questions and try not to be so biased in your reporting.
"The initial count was rushed, they said, and they have discovered that some females were not 18 or older, as they claimed. Those young women are now being counted as minors."
So sounds like we had some poor counting, which is understandable given the large number of kids as well as some lying going on.
Deseret News, tell your reporters to ask better questions and try not to be so biased in your reporting.
Re: False Ages | 6:03 p.m. April 22, 2008
But CPS also increased the count for the adult women. So CPS had many more
people there than they originally reported. The ad litems for the children and
attorneys for the parents also agreed yesterday that 20-30 individuals
previously considered underage by CPS are actually adults.
The sound bites on CNN or any other media source will not give a complete picture of what is happening - none of the media is doing a thorough unbiased job. If you really want to know what is happening, you need to search numerous sources, and use your own reason to sort through it.
Consider this - if CPS could not accurately count the children and adults at their "facility", how can ensure the safety of every individual. Under such circumstances a child could go missing and they wouldn't know. It is a serious issue.
The sound bites on CNN or any other media source will not give a complete picture of what is happening - none of the media is doing a thorough unbiased job. If you really want to know what is happening, you need to search numerous sources, and use your own reason to sort through it.
Consider this - if CPS could not accurately count the children and adults at their "facility", how can ensure the safety of every individual. Under such circumstances a child could go missing and they wouldn't know. It is a serious issue.
Anonymous | 6:22 p.m. April 22, 2008
The State should have had the correct count of people simply by counting them as
they were herded off the Baptist buses the first day. That would not give the
accurate count of adults vs. children because the State seems to be determining
how old people are.
The round-up leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Is the State going to go around and nab all the pregnant teens in the schools across the state because they shouldn't be having sex? Based on this debacle, it appears they should.
The round-up leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Is the State going to go around and nab all the pregnant teens in the schools across the state because they shouldn't be having sex? Based on this debacle, it appears they should.
WHERE ARE THEIR DADS? | 6:27 p.m. April 22, 2008
Much has been stated about the children and the women, and while I think the
state of Texas has proceeded properly, I might have done things a little
differently.
Had I been in charge I would have allowed the women and children to stay at their compound, but would have rounded up all the adult males. We are forgetting that THEY are the PREDATORS.
Many of them surrounded the "temple" (hurts to call it that) in protest against the authorities, and that would have an EASY point in time to have apprehended all of them on suspicion of statutory rape. Could have been done with a single warrant.
If the are connected via DNA to underage pregnancies, they should be given stiff prison sentences, or perhaps voluntary chemical castration.
Nobody talks about the cost of taking care of an intellectually disturbed child who is a product of inbreeding. Chemical castration, although extreme, would send a message that sexual abuse is not tolerated, especially when in deals with an innocent child.
Girls 13-17 are not emotionally or physically equipped to deal with the rigors of pregnancy or adulthood. Let's not deny these kids their childhood.
Had I been in charge I would have allowed the women and children to stay at their compound, but would have rounded up all the adult males. We are forgetting that THEY are the PREDATORS.
Many of them surrounded the "temple" (hurts to call it that) in protest against the authorities, and that would have an EASY point in time to have apprehended all of them on suspicion of statutory rape. Could have been done with a single warrant.
If the are connected via DNA to underage pregnancies, they should be given stiff prison sentences, or perhaps voluntary chemical castration.
Nobody talks about the cost of taking care of an intellectually disturbed child who is a product of inbreeding. Chemical castration, although extreme, would send a message that sexual abuse is not tolerated, especially when in deals with an innocent child.
Girls 13-17 are not emotionally or physically equipped to deal with the rigors of pregnancy or adulthood. Let's not deny these kids their childhood.
Re: Reggie Washington | 6:59 p.m. April 22, 2008
So you have to be white to step up and defend constiutional due process and
mother-child bonds? Whites joined the African Americans to help with their civil
rights and even were beat up along side their African American brothers in the
lines. If other races refuse to fight b/c FLDS is white, then wait until your
race has to fight another battle of civil rights in your own backyard regarding
this issue... We ALL live under this Consitution--regardless of race and if this
is glossed over and allowed this will affect us ALL one way or the other...
Prosecute the abuse..keep the babies, toddlers, and young ones in somekind of
refugee camp and CPS can de-program them all they want--just take your State
Witness Psychiatrist Perry's advice that not keeping them together will be
detrimental.. they can't even follow their own expert's advice--what
kind of "in the best interest of the child is that"? They just used
him for their goals and ditched what they didn't like. Guys, FLDS are not
the only ones to have their children hearded off and sold to the State for
adoption with no evidence of abuse--just presumption. Google Parentalrights
org(anization) and read CPS Corruption.
Re: Reggie Washington II | 7:02 p.m. April 22, 2008
I ran out of words but I was meaning keep the mothers (who are
"brainwashed" --we all are, it is just "dangerous" if it
does not suit State agendas--I am not condoning child brides or rape) and
children together in the refugee camps and work this out. I did not realize the
true trama until I looked up captivefldschildren -- I wept. Regardless of what
these perverts did to their girls these children will HATE us for how we allowed
this to happen to them-to rip all that is precious to them away and stuff it
down their throats to hurt their fathers and mothers. Keep the children and the
mothers out of this unless individual evidence is present in this case.
Gosanangelo reports that a state district judge urged that before mothers are
separated to do a case by case scenario.. Do we think Barbara Walthers will
comply????
To Cookie | 7:10 p.m. April 22, 2008
The fact that the children did not use the crayons and coloring books brought to
them does not mean that they have never seen or used a crayon.
Pictures from inside the YFZ ranch are available on the internet and one picture clearly shows a crayon drawing on the wall that was done by a young child. The child drew a dump truck described in his printing as a dump truck driving on the freeway to pick something up.
Many children find coloring books boring, restrictive, and banal. This is especially true of children who are used to creating their own work.
Pictures from inside the YFZ ranch are available on the internet and one picture clearly shows a crayon drawing on the wall that was done by a young child. The child drew a dump truck described in his printing as a dump truck driving on the freeway to pick something up.
Many children find coloring books boring, restrictive, and banal. This is especially true of children who are used to creating their own work.
Mink | 7:17 p.m. April 22, 2008
I guess my first reply to "WHERE ARE THERE DADS?" was sharp enough to
be considered offensive. So, I'll try again more calmly.
The State of Texas has removed all their children which seems to qualify under Article II (e) of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide. Others have called for these raids to be replicated throughout the country.
Now we have someone calling for the chemical castration of the men, which falls under Article II (d) of the genocide convention; i.e., it is a means to prevent them from having more children. All that's left is calling for the FLDS to be executed.
This is not a Jim Jones or David Koresh cult that sprang up in the last few years. This is a long-standing culture that is still stuck in the 19th century when arranged marriages and 14-year-old brides were commonplace all over the country. I agree that we are more enlightened now about women's rights and childhood. Deft action should be taken to remove the lunatics and true evildoers and to push them into compliance with the child abuse laws - but these calls for genocidal acts are out of line.
The State of Texas has removed all their children which seems to qualify under Article II (e) of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide. Others have called for these raids to be replicated throughout the country.
Now we have someone calling for the chemical castration of the men, which falls under Article II (d) of the genocide convention; i.e., it is a means to prevent them from having more children. All that's left is calling for the FLDS to be executed.
This is not a Jim Jones or David Koresh cult that sprang up in the last few years. This is a long-standing culture that is still stuck in the 19th century when arranged marriages and 14-year-old brides were commonplace all over the country. I agree that we are more enlightened now about women's rights and childhood. Deft action should be taken to remove the lunatics and true evildoers and to push them into compliance with the child abuse laws - but these calls for genocidal acts are out of line.
Anonymous | 7:23 p.m. April 22, 2008
How has no lawyer contested the testing of these children and their parents?This
is a 5th amendment right not to incriminate yourselves.
Uggh, this judge is just plain evil. Is there nothing that we the people can do?
Uggh, this judge is just plain evil. Is there nothing that we the people can do?
to Reggie Washington | 7:26 p.m. April 22, 2008
What are you talking about jewish control, I believe the jewish have been
persecuted more than any other group of people throughout history.
Who Are The Dads? | 7:33 p.m. April 22, 2008
I have only seen two men claim to have some connection to these woman. So who
and where are the dads? Why don't the FLDS men put their cowardly feet
forward so we can see who they are?
by the way, the LDS religion is nothing like the FLDS cults. No resemblance whatsoever. Go look at their cultist walls of prophets...none the same.
by the way, the LDS religion is nothing like the FLDS cults. No resemblance whatsoever. Go look at their cultist walls of prophets...none the same.
Curious | 7:41 p.m. April 22, 2008
If all FLDS children are removed from the ranch, what will happen regarding
future births? Will Texas CPS organize a monthly pickup?
Anonymous | 8:16 p.m. April 22, 2008
I'am a kid as they call children I never remember sexual abuse never I
could say thatmillions of times.
AJ | 8:16 p.m. April 22, 2008
@Who Are The Dads? | 7:33 p.m. Apr. 22, 2008
The First 3 on their website are held in common with the LDS Church and the AUB, that is:
- Joseph Smith, Jr.
- Brigham Young
- John Taylor
The next 3 are held in common with the AUB:
- John W. Woolley
- Lorin C. Woolley
- John Y. Barlow
The last 3 are from after the split with the AUB:
- Leroy S. Johnson
- Rulon Jeffs
- Warren Jeffs
The organisation of the FLDS church only occurred during the reign of the last 3.
The First 3 on their website are held in common with the LDS Church and the AUB, that is:
- Joseph Smith, Jr.
- Brigham Young
- John Taylor
The next 3 are held in common with the AUB:
- John W. Woolley
- Lorin C. Woolley
- John Y. Barlow
The last 3 are from after the split with the AUB:
- Leroy S. Johnson
- Rulon Jeffs
- Warren Jeffs
The organisation of the FLDS church only occurred during the reign of the last 3.
HappyTeach2008 | 8:51 p.m. April 22, 2008
sI am not concerned right now about the number of kids there---the main problem
is that these people are bleeding "the beast" aka the U>S.
Government of millions of dollars with their scams. Also, in addition to these
welfare checks, etc., is it true that they have a hand in video gambling, etc.?
FLDS Deception | 9:03 p.m. April 22, 2008
Wow! now FLDS are forcing FLDS kids to post on here. This just keeps getting
sicker and stinker!
TO: AJ & 8:16
So what's your problem? No one cares about your false hoods.
Nonetheless the LDS church is the true church and they don't hide behind the skirts of ladies. We have the true line of authority.
TO: AJ & 8:16
So what's your problem? No one cares about your false hoods.
Nonetheless the LDS church is the true church and they don't hide behind the skirts of ladies. We have the true line of authority.
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The judge is nothing but a loony-toon ready for the loony farm.
And the LDS church is wise to stay clear of this horrible mess. Too messy!