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Published: Wednesday, April 23 2008 12:13 a.m. MDT

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Denny Andrews

I heard on bbc world service that there's some sort of election thing, a non flds related news story, also going on in the US somewhere...

Incredulous

Can the state of Texas not count????! Haven't they said that they had 421 kids in custody? Now it's 437! How can they miss 16 children? This speaks volumes about the whole debacle down in Texas.

Skeptical

>>"I don't know why I should have to do this. I have documents," said an FLDS man as he left the building.<<

Documents proving what, exactly?? So you have some birth certificates. Considering how often these people give different names and ages to authorities (and how many people in the group have the same name) how do you intend to prove which actual children are named on those documents? You're going to point to them, "That one's mine, that one's mine, that one's mine," and we're just going to believe you? Sorry, you don't get to use whatever 'documents' you have as a free pass to your own Sex Abuse Shopping Center. 'Yeah, I kinda like the looks of that little girl. I think I'll claim her as my daughter, and take her home to play house..."

Count

If the State of Texas can't count, how will they know when a child goes missing?

Oh Contrarywise

Contrary to (un)poplular belief, the CPS have found/presented NO EVIDENCE that there is/has been any child sexually or physically abused. They keep saying that they "believe" that the FLDS culture may be harmful to children and basing their (CPSs's) "beliefs" on media reports. What gives. Why haven't we seen ACTUAL PROOF of abuse yet?

from tx (dfw)

the reason I believe for the mix up in the number of children were because many children did not know their birthdays correctly or were not telling how old they were espically the pregnant teens were at first saying that they were older therefore not children having children but adults and it has since been determined that a lot of them are indeed children, so the count rises. just fyi

Archaea Cougarguard

Contrarywise: it is not the responsibility of the Texas legal system to publicly disclose their evidence. Rest assured there is a plethora of credible evidence of systemic child abuse. To assume otherwise demonstrates a fundamental ignorance of the law.

Re:Incredulous and Count

An explanation just for Incredulous and Count, and I am sure other FLDS Schooled people. The count went up because, believe or not, some of the women lied and said they were adults and when CPS found this out that raised the child count from 421 to 437. Not hard to understand. They Lied about their age and everything else they have told the authorities.

SueM

Ummmmmmmmm you are complaining that the Texas doesnt know how many kids there is...

Doesnt look like the FDLS members knew either
you woul dthink they would know how many children
were living at that ranch and even they didnt say a word go figure.. those people are pumping those kids out so fast that not even they can keep track

Anonymous

"Can the state of Texas not count????! Haven't they said that they had 421 kids in custody? Now it's 437! How can they miss 16 children? This speaks volumes about the whole debacle down in Texas. "

The reason the number of kids changes is not that they don't know how many people are there, but that people previously identified adults are reclassified as children, because they lied about how old they were.

tx res.

also on the poster who says no proof of child sex abuse what are pregnant teens to you and why is leader or former leader jailed?? hum? thats strange isn't it?

Re: Incredulous

Incredulous...it's not that Texas can't count it's that the FLDS keep lying to them. One day a girl says her name is Ester and she's 19 years old. The next day the same girl says her name is Ruth and she's 16 years old. Consequently, the number of children in custody changes.

The FLDS thought they could simply lie and get away with it. Now that the state is testing them, the FLDS realize the gig is up so they are starting to confess their real ages. Before the women were escorted out of the ranch, every "husband" ordered their 16 year old "wife" to tell authorities they were 18 or older. The FLDS probably thought they would get away with it and their "wives" would be returned. But, Texas realizes an "18" year old girls with two kids doesn't really add up.

I think it's funny the teenage girls with one child say they are 18, and all the teenage girls with two or more kids say they are 19. Why? Because if an 18 year old has two kids (unless they are twins) that means she was at most 16 when she had the first kid.

To Skeptical

You are not skeptical, you are merely projecting the contents of your own filthy mind onto people you know nothing about. You, like many others who comment in these DN forums, have bought the entire package of allegations made by people with an agenda - people who are having a very difficult time coming up with anything to prove their allegations of abuse.

Anonymous

of course we can believe every word that cps tells us...NOT...

Gena

CPS itself stated it didn't have an accurate count because of people in cots and going to the bathroom, etc when they were trying to count them - uh, they couldn't just line everybody up??

Yesterday, the report was that an "undisclosed number" of 20-30 girls of disputed age had been proved to be ADULTS.

And they have LAWYERS locked up in there?? That ought to go over really well!

In Jail

Just thought I would remind those on here feeling sorry for the FLDS and claiming Texas is picking on this innocent religious group that the "prophet" of this harmless group of people is behind bars for marrying an unwilling 14 year old girl to a 19 year old boy and forcing her to have sex with the 19 year old. Jeffs was tried and found guilty by the state of Utah. Jeffs is known to have been visted the Texas ranch, so what makes you think the same things he did in Utah didn't happen in Texas?

Leroy G.

Really does not matter about the count of the children. What matters is the TOTAL being held at the Coliseum. If the additional children was a result of those claiming to be adults then the number of adults would have declined but--
As of April 21
In yet another FLDS raid-related development, coordinating attorneys, legal aid attorneys and guardians ad litem announced an undisclosed number of 20-30 young women whose adult status had been debated had indeed been determined to be legally adults.

outside world

The news accounts I read stated that they did 'head counts' previously and not all children were evidently present at the time each count was taken---they were elsewhere than that particular room or area. I have read nothing stated that they moved ages down from adult to child. How exactly are they supposedly proving someone is 16 and not 17? That's not what the statements from CPS said in news accounts that I read.

To Contrarywise

'No, no!' said the Queen. 'Sentence first - verdict afterwards.'

Evidence, charges, trial, verdict, sentence.

Texas is still working on evidence.

Your call for ACTUAL PROOF of abuse is a bit premature. Texas hasn't even identified the possible victims and perpetrators yet.

Until Texas identifies a specific underage girl who was spiritually married and sexually abused by a specific adult man, there will be no ACTUAL PROOF of abuse.

E Plurus Unum

In response to Archaea Cougarguard: "it is not the responsibility of the Texas legal system to publicly disclose their evidence. Rest assured there is a plethora of credible evidence of systemic child abuse. To assume otherwise demonstrates a fundamental ignorance of the law."

You clearly have never dealt with Texas CPS before! CPS' definition of evidence is rather vague and broad. They can enter 'evidence' that would be and is laughed out of any other court room. This is why CPS needs to forced to follow due process - it is nearly impossible for outside reviewers to figure out what they have done because their difinition of evidence is so broad and vague and the case workers have so much leeway in interpreting said evidence. Why do you think CPS has been so resistent to Sunshine laws?

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