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Prayers: Request baffles LDS official
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We started this... | 12:13 p.m. April 22, 2008
We started this polygamy stuff, I think we ought to take some responsibility to
"clean up the mess". Perhaps we ought to help place the children and
help the women. The men are the criminals here, they should be convicted of
whatever statutues that were violated and sent up the river, so to speak. None
of these groups would exist were it not for our practicing of this principle.
They are essentially our crazy cousins who we try to keep in the closet.
Anonymous | 12:14 p.m. April 22, 2008
Funny how selective this forum is?
Re: involved attorney | 12:14 p.m. April 22, 2008
Texas participant | 9:15 a.m. Apr. 22, 2008
Please do not hesitate to consider LDS families. The Stake Pres. was doing what is normal by asking those in authority to determine if he can "represent" the church in this matter. Not all church members understand the need for permission to represent the LDS church in this matter and others like it.
Many members have different views on this current situation. My husband and I differ on the reasons (legal or not) that CPS has the children. However, we would both be interested in helping the children by providing a safe and happy home (temporary or permanent) for them regardless of our differing opinions concerning the legal aspects of the case. We are LDS but reside in Utah so I doubt we are eligible to help. With some effort LDS members could provide one of the least foreign environments (minus polygamy and underage marriages) for the children.
Please do not hesitate to consider LDS families. The Stake Pres. was doing what is normal by asking those in authority to determine if he can "represent" the church in this matter. Not all church members understand the need for permission to represent the LDS church in this matter and others like it.
Many members have different views on this current situation. My husband and I differ on the reasons (legal or not) that CPS has the children. However, we would both be interested in helping the children by providing a safe and happy home (temporary or permanent) for them regardless of our differing opinions concerning the legal aspects of the case. We are LDS but reside in Utah so I doubt we are eligible to help. With some effort LDS members could provide one of the least foreign environments (minus polygamy and underage marriages) for the children.
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Anonymous | 12:15 p.m. April 22, 2008
How are the Texas LDS stakes dealing with this?
Keri in TF ID | 12:15 p.m. April 22, 2008
To Wake up Webb, et al: I am trying to find a way to say this kindly, but am
not sure how. You state, "CHURCH LEADERSHIP IN SLC NEEDS TO ADDRESS THIS
CONCERN IMMEDIATELY BY CHANGING HOW THE CHURCH IS RESPONDING TO THE ISSUE".
I have complete faith that they are addressing this matter even as you
complain. We don't have a hidden camera watching them, so let's not
assume that they aren't discussing it. What a difficult situation they are
in. It is easy to tell them what to do (which I would never presume to do) when
the pressure is on them not ourselves. I also believe that they pray earnestly
about these matters before making a decision. I will support their decision
knowing they are entitled to inspiration regarding the Church as a whole and I
am not.
What not the same | 12:15 p.m. April 22, 2008
Muslims, Catholics and Jews all use the old testament are they not all the same
since they read from the same book?
Anonymous | 12:16 p.m. April 22, 2008
old or new testament? Theirs two?
Spike | 12:16 p.m. April 22, 2008
So much for separation of church and state. Ugh.
Anonymous | 12:19 p.m. April 22, 2008
WHAT AM I THINKING, im writing fact in a Mormon owned forum. silly me.
Geez | 12:26 p.m. April 22, 2008
now this is starting to get off key, trying to control the flow of communication
with god! when you start doing this ...how far to you meddle?
AZ Reader | 12:22 p.m. April 22, 2008
Dubai, I think you're onto something. It really does make no sense
whatsoever from a law enforcement or child protective perspective to rely on
non-law enforcement or child protective professionals to be monitoring these
prayers. How, for instance, are you going to properly train dozens if not
hundreds of monitors? How are they going to know what to be listening for?
I agree that there seems to be an entirely different agenda at play here, and I suspect the Church leadership will decline to be involved in the prayer monitoring effort.
I agree that there seems to be an entirely different agenda at play here, and I suspect the Church leadership will decline to be involved in the prayer monitoring effort.
RE: Texas Participate | 12:23 p.m. April 22, 2008
Why would you assume that all of these comments are from members of the LDS
Church? It seems quite obvious to me that many, many comments are from various
Polygamous groups that are coming out of the woodwork. I have seen an
individual claim to be a Rabbi, yet could not spell "Nazi," or form a
cohesive sentence for that matter to a level beyond that which a typical fourth
grader could manage. Just as you are in Texas, so too many could be from
various parts of the country. FYI - I am posting from Atlanta.
We started this? | 12:26 p.m. April 22, 2008
How so? And WHY must we 'clean it up'. Sorry, but the culture in the
bible belt what created this. When the FLDS went to Texas, 14 yr olds could
'marry'. Law was changed suddenly when FLDS moved in. FLDS started
this, not us. Crazy Bible Belters stormed in on a bogus call, and it is now
their problem, not ours. It will be very interesting to see how the LDS church
will rule on this one. Several lawyers are GA's, and I know whatever is
decided, will be the right decision. I'll support help, if it's the
right thing to do. But my gut tells me this is one huge set up to deflect
blame.
Archaea Cougarguard | 12:30 p.m. April 22, 2008
May I respectfully request those uneducated in the law refrain from criticizing
the judge in this case? By all legal standards, she is doing a marvelous job in
difficult circumstances. As I stated previously, once the authorities
discovered evidences of widespread abuse, there was no choice but to remove all
the children. Be patient and let the legal system proceed.
confused | 12:33 p.m. April 22, 2008
Does the FLDS worship a certain Prophet? And how does warren jeffs tie in to all
this?
Point of view | 12:33 p.m. April 22, 2008
Why are LDS concerned about being lumped with the FLDS? It has a tiny bit to do
with image but only to the extent that it causes more misconceptions that would
prevent people from investigating the church. The LDS church is actually
concerned about the eternal welfare of souls far more than their image.
To those members of the LDS church and others who think we are being selfish and giving up a chance to be compassionate, it has nothing to do with this.
Yes, we as LDS jump at the chance to help people in need. But this is something completely different. It's not a service to monitor these women pray. It's essentially acting as a warden in a jail, making sure no one is planning a jail break or something else CPS doesn't want them to do. That's just not the kind of service we as the church should be providing. If you really want to help, send food, or coloring books and crayons, or offer to entertain the kids, play ball or ring around the rosies with them. Send in a quilt or offer to do laundry. There are lots of ways to help. Just not spying!
To those members of the LDS church and others who think we are being selfish and giving up a chance to be compassionate, it has nothing to do with this.
Yes, we as LDS jump at the chance to help people in need. But this is something completely different. It's not a service to monitor these women pray. It's essentially acting as a warden in a jail, making sure no one is planning a jail break or something else CPS doesn't want them to do. That's just not the kind of service we as the church should be providing. If you really want to help, send food, or coloring books and crayons, or offer to entertain the kids, play ball or ring around the rosies with them. Send in a quilt or offer to do laundry. There are lots of ways to help. Just not spying!
re:Anonymous | 12:33 p.m. April 22, 2008
Yes there is alot of censorship here. And alot of talk about Constitutional
Rights..
porky | 12:40 p.m. April 22, 2008
Texas has a lot of egg on its face right now and they'll just be scrambling
the pile deeper and deeper.
RE: POSTING FROM ATLANTA | 12:45 p.m. April 22, 2008
Because the forum is obviously bias. It sounds like a bunch of utahn's
bickering!
Rem | 12:44 p.m. April 22, 2008
Time to practice what's preached. Go there and show some compassion.
You've done it recently with another group, right?
Good Idea | 12:43 p.m. April 22, 2008
"L" 6:15am, had a great solution. Army chaplains to supervise these
prayer times. They are already well respected, cleared by government background
checks, and up to speed on how to deal with people of all kinds and religious
persuasions.
It would spare LDS from being lumped together w/ the FLDS (and give the media one less thing to mess up over), give the FLDS someone of faith to be their overseers, and keep the children from being "coached."
It would spare LDS from being lumped together w/ the FLDS (and give the media one less thing to mess up over), give the FLDS someone of faith to be their overseers, and keep the children from being "coached."
Stu | 12:44 p.m. April 22, 2008
How would any monitor even know if they were passing information among themselves? Would they say something like "bless Sally who just turned 19" and expect the kids to claim that 14 year old Sally is really 19?
What if they pray for God to smite the judge, and then the judge gets struck by lightning.. would they pass a law prohibiting people from praying with their children with an appropriate penalty like being thrown in the Lions Den...
Fred of Flintstone | 12:44 p.m. April 22, 2008
It appears that Texas has done it again. The allegations could have been
investigated thoroughly with restraint and good sense rather than with the
wholesale strong-arm tactics that were used. We all need to be concerned. In the
words of Rev. Martin Niemoeller, Nazi Prison Survivor
I quote:
" First they arrested the communists - but I was not a communist, so I did nothing. Then they came for the Social Democrats - but I was not a Social Democrat, so I did nothing. Then they arrested the trade unionists - I did nothing because I was not one. Then they came for the Jews and then the Catholics, but I was neither a Jew nor a Catholic, and I did nothing. At last they came and arrested me - and there was no one left to do anything about it."
I quote:
" First they arrested the communists - but I was not a communist, so I did nothing. Then they came for the Social Democrats - but I was not a Social Democrat, so I did nothing. Then they arrested the trade unionists - I did nothing because I was not one. Then they came for the Jews and then the Catholics, but I was neither a Jew nor a Catholic, and I did nothing. At last they came and arrested me - and there was no one left to do anything about it."
Jewish | 12:53 p.m. April 22, 2008
No, I do not read the "Old Testament" especially since I do not
believe there is something "new" to supersede it. I would guess that
you are not familiar with the word Tanakh. While I am not willing to speak for
my muslim brethern, I think it is safe to write that they read the Koran. So
no, we do not use the same books as one another.
cesqy | 12:48 p.m. April 22, 2008
When praying and meditating, people are at the greatest vulnerability to outside
influence and spiritual appeals. The judge is correct in worrying about this
influence, but the practice occurs in every church, mosque, and prayer meeting.
Freedom of religion and the constitution should trump the judge's concern
of parental influence and thought control.
Point of view (more) | 12:49 p.m. April 22, 2008
If any members of the LDS church feel compelled to give Christ-like service in
this situation, it would be wiser to do it as just a concerned Christ-like
person rather than calling attention to the church as a whole. I honestly think
the judge meant well in asking about the appropriateness of LDS becoming
involved. I really don't think she has a personal vendetta against the LDS
church or has any other "agenda", but she is showing signs of not
knowing how to handle the mess that's been made. Not really very smart and
not making good decisions!! I think a different judge should be appointed to the
case.
Now I'm wondering about the attorney from Henderson NV. who seems to know the LDS people so well that she'd make a blanket statement about how we all like controversy so much. Maybe some do but couldn't be farther from the truth for others. We DO want to be understood and given a fair chance without the perpetuation of more untrue rumors about us (like the one you just spread) Do you have a bone to pick with the church or are you just mean spirited all the time?
Now I'm wondering about the attorney from Henderson NV. who seems to know the LDS people so well that she'd make a blanket statement about how we all like controversy so much. Maybe some do but couldn't be farther from the truth for others. We DO want to be understood and given a fair chance without the perpetuation of more untrue rumors about us (like the one you just spread) Do you have a bone to pick with the church or are you just mean spirited all the time?
Let's get a clue | 12:52 p.m. April 22, 2008
This has nothing to do with whether or not the LDS Church should be involved and
everything to do with separation of church and state. Why should a religious
group be asked by a judge to act as a "monitor" or
"go-between"?!!! This is a legal case and needs to be dealt with by
lawyers, CPS, social workers, etc. It sounds to me like this judge has an
agenda and is not acting in the best interest of anyone involved. If it is true
that there are over 700 individuals to take care of now 437 children then why
would they need a religious organization to step in? Don't other groups in
Texas know how to pray? And this begs the ultimate question of isn't this
a clear violation of the 1st amendment, you know that little thing called
freedom of religion? Are prisoners in Gitmo treated this way????
Hey Fred of Flinstone | 12:52 p.m. April 22, 2008
Why is it so acceptable to you that women be held against their will? 6 Women
have already requested protection refusing to return to the compound which
supports what other women that have escaped stated. Why is it acceptable that
child incest continue? Why is it acceptable that children/boys be abandoned by
not only their parents but community. You see these are all communally ACCEPTED
crimes. You want this all to fall nicely under religion but it is clearly about
criminal actions.
One more POV | 12:53 p.m. April 22, 2008
"LDS people love a conspiracy theory and anything to promote their
persecution complex. The FLDS situation adequately fills both needs."
This statement shows you have no real understanding of the LDS church. What an unfair generalization!!
This statement shows you have no real understanding of the LDS church. What an unfair generalization!!
Free Agent | 12:55 p.m. April 22, 2008
Shame on any members of the church who allow their selfish concerns about public
perceptions to inhibit their willingness to help another! What would Jesus do?
Hmmm, I don't think that's a hard question to answer. The local
leadership should be calling Salt Lake for advise on HOW to help, not WHETHER to
help.
Emma | 12:56 p.m. April 22, 2008
was'nt one of the girls names Urim Thummim?
RE: Fred of Flinstone | 12:58 p.m. April 22, 2008
I would love for you to tell us how this could have been investigated
differently. They have custody of all the children and all of the records and
they still cannot put a Name, a mother, a father and an age to each child. I
don't think the parents can even put all of the pieces together. You are
truly living in the stone age.
Anonymous | 1:01 p.m. April 22, 2008
What a poor attempt to be sensative by this Judge. What makes an LDS member
qualified to monitor this situation? What is the LDS member suppose to do? Tell
on them for whispering to their children.This would only drive a deeper wedge
between LDS and FLDS members. The State of Texas needs to monitor this if they
think it needs to be monitored. A more appropriate request from the Judge we be
for some humanitarian aid.I am sure the LDS church would gladly help out. I
don't agree with sexual abuse is any form, but could the courts in Texas
handle this any worse?
Lee | 1:01 p.m. April 22, 2008
To GoodGuyGary
How do you know the FLDS pray to have sex with minors, or about their multiple wives?
It's amazing to see how many LDS people just want to sit back and allow the government to split up families due to condemnation of a religious viewpoint which originated within the LDS church.
This situation could just as easily happen to the LDS church if an anonymous caller alleges to Texas authorities that widespread molestation is happening at a scout encampment, citing various cases where this has happened in the past and the LDS leaders either ignore it, or naively believe the offenders have repented.
If the FLDS situation is a scenario, the authorities could enter the camp, round up all of the boys and determine that the church teachings about obedience and using faith to always follow priesthood leaders could create an environment for future molestation and decide whether or not the terminate the parental rights of these youth. All they would have to find is one scout who had ever been abused.
How do you know the FLDS pray to have sex with minors, or about their multiple wives?
It's amazing to see how many LDS people just want to sit back and allow the government to split up families due to condemnation of a religious viewpoint which originated within the LDS church.
This situation could just as easily happen to the LDS church if an anonymous caller alleges to Texas authorities that widespread molestation is happening at a scout encampment, citing various cases where this has happened in the past and the LDS leaders either ignore it, or naively believe the offenders have repented.
If the FLDS situation is a scenario, the authorities could enter the camp, round up all of the boys and determine that the church teachings about obedience and using faith to always follow priesthood leaders could create an environment for future molestation and decide whether or not the terminate the parental rights of these youth. All they would have to find is one scout who had ever been abused.
You May Have Missed This | 1:01 p.m. April 22, 2008
At the end of this article about prayer we get this demonstration of judicial
arrogance:
As the hearing concluded, Julia Balovich, an attorney representing another group of FLDS women, tried to bring up a motion for a restraining order that she had filed. Walther said she hadn't seen it, but Balovich pressed her to consider the issue. It was then the judge stood up and announced: "Ladies and gentlemen, this hearing is concluded," and abruptly left the bench.
As the hearing concluded, Julia Balovich, an attorney representing another group of FLDS women, tried to bring up a motion for a restraining order that she had filed. Walther said she hadn't seen it, but Balovich pressed her to consider the issue. It was then the judge stood up and announced: "Ladies and gentlemen, this hearing is concluded," and abruptly left the bench.
Mary | 1:04 p.m. April 22, 2008
Most religions are not...alarmed...or up in arms,
over this because we don't practice that which is illegal, polygamy. People won't feel quite so sorry for polygamists if they read about how they are bilking taxpayers of millions of dollars. Google these words and read all about it, Polygamy and Me - New English Review. Perhaps Texas may want to beef up their requirements for birth and death records?
Citizens...don't forget to file...
Delayed (Filings) Records:
If a record is not filed within a year of birth or death with the Local Registrar in the city/county of occurrence then the record must be filed with the Department of State Health Services, Bureau of Vital Statistics. By phone, call 1-888-963-7111, selelct Vital Statistics and ask for Delayed Records.
over this because we don't practice that which is illegal, polygamy. People won't feel quite so sorry for polygamists if they read about how they are bilking taxpayers of millions of dollars. Google these words and read all about it, Polygamy and Me - New English Review. Perhaps Texas may want to beef up their requirements for birth and death records?
Citizens...don't forget to file...
Delayed (Filings) Records:
If a record is not filed within a year of birth or death with the Local Registrar in the city/county of occurrence then the record must be filed with the Department of State Health Services, Bureau of Vital Statistics. By phone, call 1-888-963-7111, selelct Vital Statistics and ask for Delayed Records.
Joyce | 1:05 p.m. April 22, 2008
How do children have "church"?
James | 1:09 p.m. April 22, 2008
re: Archaea Cougarguard
Counselor, with respect to your post of 12:30 p.m. Apr. 22, 2008. My I remind you that even all people, even those that we find morally repugnant have rights. "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed." (Declaration of Independence, 1776) And we the people are the proper agents for criticism of the performance of the judiciary, because they, like all elected officials, are the servants of the people in this country. It doesn't matter if we are "uneducated in the law." The judge and the sheriff are responsible to the people. End of story.
Counselor, with respect to your post of 12:30 p.m. Apr. 22, 2008. My I remind you that even all people, even those that we find morally repugnant have rights. "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed." (Declaration of Independence, 1776) And we the people are the proper agents for criticism of the performance of the judiciary, because they, like all elected officials, are the servants of the people in this country. It doesn't matter if we are "uneducated in the law." The judge and the sheriff are responsible to the people. End of story.
Okay... | 1:19 p.m. April 22, 2008
...can we find some other news? This has been beaten to a pulp.
Compassionate Service or Spying | 1:24 p.m. April 22, 2008
It's obvious from this blog that many people already confuse the FLDS and
LDS religions.
Having LDS members monitoring the prayers of FLDS members will just reinforce the false notion that there is no difference between the two.
On the other hand, if one of the LDS "buffers" saw something (such as mothers coaching kids) and reported it to the court, and, as a result, the court revoked the prayer time, the LDS church would be seen as co-conspirators in trying to stamp out the religious freedom of the FLDS people.
It's a no-win situation and something the court should never have asked the LDS church to participate in.
I'm sure that the court could find "neutral" observers from many faiths (LDS included) who would be willing to monitor the prayers. They don't have to be from a particular faith to understand that prayers are personal, and private.
Having LDS members monitoring the prayers of FLDS members will just reinforce the false notion that there is no difference between the two.
On the other hand, if one of the LDS "buffers" saw something (such as mothers coaching kids) and reported it to the court, and, as a result, the court revoked the prayer time, the LDS church would be seen as co-conspirators in trying to stamp out the religious freedom of the FLDS people.
It's a no-win situation and something the court should never have asked the LDS church to participate in.
I'm sure that the court could find "neutral" observers from many faiths (LDS included) who would be willing to monitor the prayers. They don't have to be from a particular faith to understand that prayers are personal, and private.
Nervous in AL | 1:21 p.m. April 22, 2008
As someone who is not a member of any 'main stream' religion, I am
nervous about the violation of human rights that is going on in this case.
According to the local sheriff, there has been a 'spy' in the compound
for two years who has not been able to provide enough evidence to go in and
remove those children. Why is there now enough evidence? Will CPS come and take
my children from me because we don't go to church, mosque or synogogue
every week?
Head's up out there: just because you live in the South doesn't mean you're a Bible Belter...
Likewise, just because you're an LDS doesn't mean you're a polygamist or a conspiracy theorist. All Americans should be up in arms over this mess.
May the Divine guide all individuals involved.
Head's up out there: just because you live in the South doesn't mean you're a Bible Belter...
Likewise, just because you're an LDS doesn't mean you're a polygamist or a conspiracy theorist. All Americans should be up in arms over this mess.
May the Divine guide all individuals involved.
Re: Fred of Flinstone | 1:23 p.m. April 22, 2008
Two thumbs up for "getting it". The question we all should be asking
is why the state of Texas didn't investigate the origin of the call that
started this whole thing until AFTER the raid. While I don't agree at all
with what the FLDS church does, there is a clear violation of their civil rights
here. It seems to me that the State of Texas just went in helter skelter
without all the facts. Also, why the Baptist buses? They couldn't get
school buses or borrowed buses from other cities in Texas? This is clearly an
assult on religious groups everywhere. It's not a matter of if, but when.
This country is turning more and more into a Socialist nation. Ask yourself
this, why should anyone "spy" on anyone's prayers. Stalin
anyone?
Reeellllaaaaxxxxx | 1:24 p.m. April 22, 2008
Take a breath folks! This judge is in perhaps the most difficult position
imaginable. She was just exploring an option to both prevent tampering by the
parents and provide some cultural/religious sensitivity around who the observers
should be. I'm sure she has quickly been informed that it is not a good
position for the LDS Church to be put in as official observers and the FLDS
would probably want Wickens to observe before the heretical, apostate LDS
anyway. Again, she was just trying to explore some options to an incredibly
difficult situation and the result was we as LDS - AGAIN - come across and the
most thin-skinned, image driven group of people in existence. The Stake
President was obviously right to state he needed to take the option to his
leadership but he did not help by inserting his own opinion into an atmosphere
in which the Church is appearing to be concerned ONLY with it's PR efforts.
Tell me.... | 1:36 p.m. April 22, 2008
How come so many FLDS get to post their propaganda on here? It would be nice to
see the views of people who don't practice plural marriage.
R P
R P
Sarah | 1:33 p.m. April 22, 2008
I actually doubt the FLDS would want the LDS there. They would probably very
worried we would "recruit".
Also if the FLDS were so worried about there prayers being listened to maybe they should of thought about that before they were marrying off 14 year olds to 30 year old men.
These poor kids have been brained washed and have been taught since they were very young that it is okay. What a mess. I think if they are not being nursed they should be separated period.
Also if the FLDS were so worried about there prayers being listened to maybe they should of thought about that before they were marrying off 14 year olds to 30 year old men.
These poor kids have been brained washed and have been taught since they were very young that it is okay. What a mess. I think if they are not being nursed they should be separated period.
Non-believer | 1:41 p.m. April 22, 2008
If the church denies this request then I think the brethren need to put a
footnote when they talk about compassion, kindness and reaching out to indicate
that this does not include the FLDS. How sad.
Scary | 1:44 p.m. April 22, 2008
Are you kidding me? Some of you people really think that prayers should be
monitored??? CRAZY and SCARY
LDS4Life | 1:46 p.m. April 22, 2008
Yes, where is the ACLU in all of this? Silent. Completely silent. Of course,
this is the time of year that they are very busy making sure no songs about
Christ are going to be sung at high school graduations---especially in Utah.
That being said, yes, we should help the children with prayers if we are asked. I agree, what would Jesus do?
Do we just fear man more than God? Perhaps.
That being said, yes, we should help the children with prayers if we are asked. I agree, what would Jesus do?
Do we just fear man more than God? Perhaps.
What is to be Done? | 1:57 p.m. April 22, 2008
Though the LDS and the FLDS are no longer tied, they were in history. The LDS
and FLDS have the same roots.
There would be nothing wrong with LDS people or even the church standing up against this outrage and working to ensure that justice and right is done.
Mothers being taken from their children have committed no crime, perhaps some of their fathers have. Under what pretense are mothers being separated from their children?
LDS and all Americans, are we going to stand idily by and do nothing? If we don't speak out, and the same thing happens to us or to our posterity because we let this thing grow and morph to someday get us, this will be the consequence.
There would be nothing wrong with LDS people or even the church standing up against this outrage and working to ensure that justice and right is done.
Mothers being taken from their children have committed no crime, perhaps some of their fathers have. Under what pretense are mothers being separated from their children?
LDS and all Americans, are we going to stand idily by and do nothing? If we don't speak out, and the same thing happens to us or to our posterity because we let this thing grow and morph to someday get us, this will be the consequence.
Bad thinking | 2:08 p.m. April 22, 2008
I don't know why the LDS church would waste their time on the FLDS
cultists. These FLDS people only belittle the LDS church. They have nothing
whatsoever good to say about LDS Mormons.
The Texas Judge needs to be relieved of her duty. She is a total problem for LDS religion and FLDS cultists.
The Texas Judge needs to be relieved of her duty. She is a total problem for LDS religion and FLDS cultists.
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Attorney Julie Balovich, representing FLDS mothers whose children were taken from the YFZ compound, speaks to the media after a hearing at the Tom Green County Courthouse in San Angelo. She wants to reunite children and mothers.
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