I read a quote on Fox Sports that further illustrates my point that Margin of
Vicory is big in the eyes of the nation. In an article by Pete Futiak, "The
Mountain West should be better, with TCU and Utah each able to ruin the Cougars'
dream, but the the non-conference schedule isn't bad with Northern Iowa, at
Washington, UCLA and at Utah State. Would that be good enough to send a 12-0 BYU
team to the BCS title game? That could be the big debate of 2008, but a huge win
over the Bruins could set the tone and generate the buzz needed for the national
attention." That huge win he is speaking about is not about just about a
victory. He states BYU needs a "huge win" over the Bruins. Beat them again by
one point and it might be a dissapointing season. When Utah went in 2004 they
DESTROYED the teams the played. They left no room for debate. Good luck
Cougars. If Utah doesn't make it, I hope BYU does!
IT IS OK TO TAKE YOUR BLINDERS OFF EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
Some Good Runners, are you kidding me? The third, fourth and fifth strings are
classified as good runners this year. The QB situation will be fine. Brian
Johnson, last years bowl game, was worse off than he is now and he still got MVP
of the game. Corbin Louks is a great back up and will help the Utes a lot this
year. Utah offense is very balanced this year.Go
Are you serious? Not one QB to lead the team. I certainly hope you won't be in
the stadium this fall. People like you are a cancer to the team. Why don't you
go and try out if you are such the evaluater of talent. I for one am very
excited for B. Johnson and the offense this year. Louks had a breakout Spring
and Devonte Christopher is only going to become better. Also learn how to turn
off your stupid caps lock key. Go UTES!
How can you say that DeVonte is the future at 5'10" and you don't know how well
his passing is ? Give me a break. Nice thought but it won't work. So Johnson
goes down, then what?? You have to game play this senario cause it will happen
it's just a matter of time. With the RB's that the U has that is great need a
dual QB with those RB's then you will have a great O.
did the u pick up any other freshman qb's? if so who are they?
WITH THE CURRENT QB SITUATION THEY WILL ONLY WIN ABOUT 1/2 OF THEIR GAMES THIS
SEASON. THERE IS NOT ONE QB THAT HAS WHAT IS TAKES THE TAKE THIS TEAM TO THE
NEXT LEVEL. VERY AVERAGE!!!
Johnson is injury prone, but he is not average. When he is healthy he is
dangerous. DeVonte Christopher is our QB for the future and will most likely be
redshirted. I don't know how good his throwing ability is, but he was built for
the triple option spread offense. If he can also throw, then he will be that
much more dangerous. Our defense is better than last year. Our
offense still has a few questions at WR and TE, but our running game is stacked
with quality RBs and our O-line should be decent.No doubt - BYU
could be scary good this year. But to fall back on perceptions based on
"quality of victory", Utah could climb the rankings quickly if we can put on
impressive performances against Michigan and Oregon State. It would be a dream
come true to watch two undefeated MWC teams battle it out in SLC with the winner
going to the Fiesta Bowl and the loser destroying a PAC 10 team in the Vegas
The B@W did not show case their Qb well. Very average display, I agree with QB
The U is in trouble with their QB's Johnson is average and injury prone. They
need a QB who is balanced in every aspect of the game. They have some good
runners, but no balance. They need to find someone different. there has got to
be one out there. If they don't it's going to be a long season.
Each year every team has a "coulda, woulda, shoulda" game or two. It matters
not who the opponent was. It happens. Tell me that the four losses BYU has had
are not losses they "shoulda, woulda, coulda" won? On a different note, how
about the games the Jazz should have won and did not: Clippers, Timberwolves
(2x), Bobcats, Knicks to name a few. These losses would have propelled them to
the best record in the West. It is tough to pull off perfection in any given
season. I hope both teams are undefeated ate the end of the season. It is
about time the Holy War become a catalyst to greater things besides bragging
It is a good thing we'll easily win both of those games. But you do have such
amazing creativity coming up with jokes about UNLV. Like we havent heard that a
Losing at home to UNLV and losing @ Wyoming in a revenge game would for sure not
have them ranked.
Funny you would bring up colors. When is BYU going to stop using AGGIE blue?
The Red and White game, hear I thought the u colors were Crimson and White.
Poor u, feel free to KNOW your colors. Here is one color you know, yellow, as
in the short yellow bus that takes you to and from school each dayRack me.
Thanks for your honesty, but if Utah has two conference losses at that point
they will not be ranked.
Eh, I want Utah to have at least two conference losses, but still be ranked,
going into the BYU match up. Of course, BYU would need to be undefeated in
conference at that point also. That way, I don't have to sweat it out so much
when BYU tries to throw the game away for the umpteenth time. Just being
honest.I, personally, don't have a problem with what Weddle did. He
was just having fun, which is what the Spring game is all about, really. He's a
big boy, he knows what he's doing.
Just to piggyback on "re: Brad". I am a Utes fan but want I give BYU their
props. They were not supposed to be so good last year. They were very, very
good. BUT, they played a letdown game at the end of the year. Yes, they won.
But, did they? BYU will be ranked to start the year, make no mistake. But
where? How much higher would they have been had they beaten UCLA by as many as
the Utes? Their beginning ranking is huge in getting to the BCS (see Utah
2004). Margin of victory counts towards the PERCEPTION of the voters for the
BCS beauty pageant. Unfair is it may be. Don't underestimate that point.
People remember "what you have done for me lately." One point victory over a
bad UCLA team is not impressive in the eyes of the BCS. Also, don't
underestimate what victories over Michigan and Oregon St. would do for Utah and
if they can run the table against the rest. That is a big if, but they do have
the team to do it if they are healthy. Both teams have legit shots at a BCS
Speculation is what sports are all about for the fans. It would be fun to see
what the two QB's could do in each other systems. You made two great points.
Utah should be better than last year. Hopefully, not just physically better,
but mentally tougher to win the games they should (i.e. UNLV). I am a Utah fan
but BYU could be scary good this year. Who knew Hall would be as good as he was
so quick? I happen to agree with Matt that these two teams would be better off
playing each other ranked going into the final game. That would make for a
REALLY good, meaningful game. Not just bragging rights. Should be a fun year
to watch both teams.
Re:Re:Brad "...and then coming to the conclusion that they are the better team."
That is YOUR interpretation of what I said! I know who the better team was.
Records don't lie. But, you need to be realistic. Pereception is everything in
COLLEGE football. It is a beauty pageant. It is not fair, but that is how it
goes. BYU did not do themselves or the conference any favors by not beating
UCLA as badly as the Utes did. Even by 10 points would hav been good. Margin
of victory is big in the sense of this pageantry. To beat UCLA by a blocked PAT
was fun for the fans, but the perception is that it took the MWC champ to come
up with a fluke play in the closing seconds to barely beat the best of the worst
Pac-10 teams. Again, perception is everything, whether or not it is right or
fair. Margin of victory is that perception and the Cougars blew it. If you
want a score try 34-31 twice!
Pure speculation that can never be proven since a QB switch will never take
place. All we have to go on is their individual stats from last year and the
teams' win-loss records. Not a Ute fan but I believe the Utes will be better
this year than last. However, BYU will also be much better now that all their
1st year starters from last season have a year's experience. Plus they've
brought in a bunch of new talent that other MWC teams won't be able to keep up
with. Bronco has turned the program into a real machine and it's going to keep
getting better. Just look at last season that was supposed to be a rebuilding
year for the Cougars. No one expected them to do that well considering the key
starters they lost.
BYU beat UCLA and Utah beat UCLA. Margin of victory is meaningless to anyone
who knows sports. If you want to compare victories let's compare the wins over
UNLV. Oh yeah, Utah lost to UNLV. I can't believe Utah fans are still bringing
up their victory over UCLA and comparing it to BYU's victory and then coming to
the conclusion that they are the better team. That's what you do when teams
don't play each other. The only score that matters when comparing BYU to Utah
is 17-10. That's why they play each other so you don't have to worry about who
beat who by how much during the rest of the season.
Your comment is legit based on statistics alone from a year ago. However, put
Hall in a Utah uniform (just keep Hall's ridiculous helmet in Provo) and BJ in a
BYU uniform. I wonder how they would perform? Utah's offense would be very
good. Utah would have to go to a drop back passing team based on Hall's
mobility and rely solely on their running game. What about BJ on the Cougars?
A mobile QB who can throw? If you take BJ's abilities to run and throw and team
that with Unga it would be interesting to see how the teams would fair! That
being said Utah has BJ and a great RB already with reliable recievers. This
could be a great year for the UTES!
I agree with Matt. The rivalry game would mean something if both teams are
ranked and the MWC championship is on the line. The best thing this conference
can hope for as well as BYU fans who are unable to look past reality is that
both teams are ranked going into the final game. Then, a victory actually means
something. Barely beating Utah and claiming superiority with 4th and 18
comments doesn't mean anything to Utes fans when BYU almost lost (and should
have) to the same UCLA team that Utah destroyed earlier in the year.
Here are the facts. Utah has a solid running game coming back and could have a
great 1-2 punch if Asiata is healthy and lives up the hype. If one or two
emerge as go-to receivers the offense will be potent. Brian Johnson is back and
I expect will be great. He is only a couple years removed from being third in
the nation in total offense before injury. The defense should be solid again
with a more experienced secondary. The MWC championship will come down to
11/22/08 against BYU. I am a Utes fan but let's face it BYU also has a lot of a
key players returning. This year's game will mean a lot more if both teams come
in undefeated or at least undefeated in conference AND ranked. The rivalry
games are great, but would be even better if both teams are ranked and healthy.
Despite the ignorance AND expected arrogance of BYU fans who choose to comment
on an article that has NOTHING to do with BYU (get a life guys!) best of luck to
both teams and lets hope for the above on 11/22/08!
My favorite Max Hall play is the one where he finds wide open receivers on 4th
and 18. I bet he wishes he could play the Utes every week. As for Brent
Casteel, he was not joking about winning the Heisman. One of his very first
interviews with the local media when he arrived at Utah he said he came to Utah
to win the Heisman. That is a fact.
Hey Uncle Rico,I bet your team would have taken state when you were
in high school if they had just put you in during the 4th quarter.
the article leaves me with the impression that the Utes were not that serious
this spring. Weddle playing in the game as an alumnus???? not impressed. Sakoda
should be kicking for both sides. the real players need the experience.
I thought comments that were "abusive, offensive, and off-topic" would not be
posted. Why does the DN post all these postings that fit all of that criteria?
Please be true to that red typing, so those of us with a sense of sportsmanship
can read these comments without having to read such stupidity. PLEASE PLEASE
don't allow posts that completely bash a school and its people. It's very
Does this even have to be compared? Im a Ute fan but a realistic one too. Max
hall is better than Brian Johnson.
BYU fans, we get it! You don't like the Utes, so spare us your comments.
Actually, this is probably casting too large a net, because many BYU fans are
decent people and sports fans. The incessant infantile commentary from the
"Cougs" probably originate from about six 12 year olds whose mommies and daddies
have failed to properly monitor their computer activity. So to you
delinquents, I say: have the decency to freshen up your pathetic smack one in a
"blue" moon. Wow! You got us with that Harline is open and magic happens! And
Brent Casteel, yup, he probably won't even be a candidate. But, since he made
that remark as a froshman and is now a redshirt senior, it never gets old.Don't you dolts have a downline you ought to be out managing (or
The only thing worse than BYU football is BYU fans.
Hall is a great quarterback. My favorite play of his-which he has mastered-is
the one where he holds the ball too long and gets hit from behind-then fumbles
the ball. If the defense recovers, it's just icing on the cake. He must
practice it all the time because he executed it flawlessly last season. Must be
living right on and off the field.
Casteel was joking about the Heisman. I know in Happy Valley life is very
serious and there is very little to joke about, so I can understand why it is so
hard for Coug fans to understand when someone is joking.
Max Hall is a preseason All-American. I'm confident that you could not throw the
ball 50 times a game and look good too. He's better than your guy. BJ could have
been amazing but he's injury prone do to the type of O the U runs and hasn't had
a real shot to show what he can do. Also, Casteel as a Heisman Hopeful? Come on
guys. The only time his name has been mentioned as a Heisman candidate is when
he graciously predicted that he would be the next one from the U to win it.
Delusional, everyone of you. Harline is still very very open, and Magic Happens!
Yeah, I bet you can throw a football a mile, too. Now all you need is a time
machine. Now get out of here because you've been ruining everybody's lives and
eating all our steak.
Hopefully we can jump on a bunch of teams early and get some of these young guys
in to get some reps. I think Johnson is going to have a decent your, but
probably not anything special. Louks will definitely see some time. I hope Manis
does also. My guess is Christopher will redshirt. Go Utes!
Weddle also should wrestle around with little kids, go to a concert, drive
anywhere, or walk up and down stairs because he might get hurt...He
should live in a bubble...He is a grown man and makes his own
decisions, and he knows his own limits...As far as
quarterbacks go, we will be just fine...if you all don't remember right, we have
one of the best defensive secondary's in the nation, and the defense is usually
ahead of the offense early in the year, as the offense needs time to gel...I am looking forward to a great year for the Utes, as we have gotten
much better, while the TDS seems to be the same except for losing their best
guys on defense...Here is to another MWC championship after a few
Yup,...I'm pretty sure the only pads you need to kick a extra point in a
practice game is one shoe. And I don't think Whitingham told him to run after
the kick. I'm not sure it's Whit's or Weddle's IQ we should be looking at.
To: need a better QB.Max Hall in the Utah system would be a lot like
-- Tommy Grady. Immobile Quaterbacks just can't run it.
By a dumb cougar fan, Hall is not that good I could throw the ball 50 times a
game and look good too.
I think our offense is still not going to be as good as they could be this year
because of the QB spot. I wish we had a truly talented QB like Max Hall. That
guy is a real stud. I hope Kyle had the team work real hard on the onside kick
play cause we're gonna need it this year.
Was what Eric Weddle did dumb or what? Trying to play with no helmet or pads?
That was brilliant Coach Kyle to let him do that and take a chance on ending his
pro career. Good thing he didn't get hurt. Weddle & Whitingham: The Saga of Two
Guys Sharing Half A Brain.
Well I have been planning to attend the R/W game but work got in the way. After
reading all the recaps I am still a little concerned about the QB situation.
Maybe it wont matter to much though, for ever bad thing I hear about BJ, I hear
two good things about the RBs. Can't wait for them to play in the Big House. Go
What were Brent Casteel's stats? I want to get them out early to all the
Dirk,It was actually Greg Newman that helped Robert Johnson throw
the ice cold water on Weddle. Good article!