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Published: Sunday, April 20 2008 12:24 a.m. MDT

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Washington

Texas law, in 2005, was clear that a girl was a woman at age 14--could marry. So, a girl at YFZ--like any other Texan girl, who was 14 in 2005 could have as many as two children with another on the way--legally--in 2008. Since 14 year old girls could marry any man in Texas only two years ago, it seems the heighth of hypocrisy for Texans to be removing 416 children based on the children's exposure to what has been going on all around Texans since Texas got statehood--and before. LDS members, rather than be embarrassed and anxious to separate themselves from their church history, should be very concerned about the intolerance and hypocrisy of an over-zealous, petty government keen on subjective moral intereference. It has not been so long ago, historically speaking, that LDS were also considered a "peculiar people"--where is the empathy and concern for all of our constitutional rights?

SUPPORT PEDOPHILES

From reading the boards it appears there are many supporters of pedophilia and child rape...WE MUST BE IN UTAH.
I've never been a big fan of 50 year old men raping multiple 13 year olds in the name of some stupid, evil 'religion.'
Warren Jeffs is headed to prison where he will find out what rape is really all about...some prophet.

@ Reality

Prior to 2005 it was legal to be 14, married and pregnant with parental concent. Now you must be the ripe old age of 16. It is concievable that there are minors (under 18) with babys at the compound that are not in violation of any state statute.

very concerned

As a family counselor I am very concerned with the welfare of these children. I think the harm that is done by the action taken is by far worse than the harm they would have received in their homes. Education is necessary but there are much better ways to educate than to tear families apart. If the FLDS people would haven known what is coming, I am positive they would have allowed authorities in and even certified teachers to teach at the school there. The way it was done is traumatic, the abuse they still endure by the State of Texas is horrific. Anybody callings this good or right has never worked with disturbed families. This will be a very long road to recovery, if that is at all possible for some of the children. Looks like Texas has no heart!

RE @ REALITY

To be legally married you need a valid marriage license. At 16 the parents need to give written permission and present a valid birth certificate of the child. I wonder if these teen 'marriages' met these requirements.

Pennie

I am from Colorado city Az I tried to run away several times from the abuse of that town. Only to be dragged back by the "POLICEMAN" who wouldnt listen because I was a polygamists child, and they just couldnt get involved. At 14 I finally got out the night before my wedding to a 42 yr. old man I was to be his fifth wife. I not only had to hide from the cult but also the police who sided with my parents saying I needed to be in my own home. You people have no idea what its like being raised with 40 children in one home. There is no love who has the time. Your duties and chores are endless if you get out of line you get whiped either by belt, leather straps made just for whippings, bailing wire, or sticks. your father is never home Hes either out working or sucking up to the preisthood to get more wives. The woman hate each other but cant show it so what do they do they take it out on each others children. I thank GOD for Texas this needs to END!!!!

to Floyd as well

I think you need to look into your history to see the type of persecution that has been enacted on many different religious bodies since the salem witch hunts. Besides this has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with laws being broken. People claim religious persecution as a way to be exempt from the law. When people say that doing drugs is part of their religion do we let them off, no, when children are being rapped as part of a religious act should we let the perpetraders off, absolutly not.
Oh and by the way, "I am not LDS or FLDS, but am a GOOD CHRISTIAN..." what kind of judgement is that?

Kevin

Dear Penny
I am on your side completely. God bless you for speaking out about these evil polygamist cults. There needs to be more done with these people then what has been done so far. Evil is evil!

God protect you.

lili

A woman who allows a 50 yr old man to Rape her teen daughter is NO MOTHER.

Ann

This LDS woman supports Texas in thoroughly investigating the systematic abuse of young women among that FLDS group. I hope the state will show compassion and allow women to be with their youngest babies and children, and place the older girls in homes where they will be safe and well treated while the matter is investigated (and they will be sheltered from further parental brainwashing.) The illegal "spiritual" "marriages" of young girls to older men must be stopped, and perhaps this will discourage other fringe groups from this practice for fear of government reprisal.

And how can the marriages be legal, even with parental consent, if the man involved already had a wife or two or three? It's statutory rape if the marriage isn't legal. And if the children of such unions were receiving welfare or other government aid, that's another illegal act, and a result of a man having more wives and children that he can support.

Yay, Texas!

Fact is......

these children will suffer some. But many were already suffering and (hopefully) future generations will not have to be rapped by many of these men. I'm no fan of foster homes. I wish there were more good homes available. Maybe some of you that are so worried about these kids being taken away from those victim/enabler mothers can open your homes to these children to alleviate some of the shock. Though the CPS probably make many mistakes, how can some of you ignore that this religion is based on rape of minors. As for those that believe the LDS should own up or whatever, the LDS church follows the law because God tells them to. Evil men have broken off from many good churches to follow the evil designs of the adversary. The RLDS, LDS, Catholics, Baptists etc. are following the laws put down from this country. For those like the FLDS who can't follow the Laws, that is why we have police. Two laws are being broken, Polygamy (no worse than what many men do today anyways) and the big one, Rape of a minor.

Michigander

I am sure, that after sorting out correct birth dates, what parent belongs to what child, the majority of children will be returned to their parents. BUT with a parent plan that will have strict supervision of CPS, which might change a few things in FLDS controlled compounds. There also will be restrictions on parents being able to leave the area while that plan is in effect. Eventually I see all the FLDS communities somewhat reforming to reality or it's off to a Banana Republic with a bucket of kool-aid, just in case...

re: Ann

We can ALL agree that Texas should show compassion and keep mothers with the youngest and the babies...too much more harm will be done otherwise. I think we can ALL agree with you on the rest of your post.

MoJules

They live in nice houses at our cost!!!! All the work that these people do and the money paid goes to the FLDS church, so when they would do road or contracting jobs, they could bid much lower than other companies because of the tax break. They also have a lot of children on welfare, so I am not impressed by what they have, because we pay for it in some way or another. This group knows how to cheat the system and they do it, I saw it first hand with Rulon Jeff's, trust me, they think they are above the rules.

childadvocate

Most people fail to understand that CPS operates in an all or nothing atmosphere. There are definately 16 year olds with baby's at YFZ. Children under 16 also are pregnant. There have been mutiple witnesses that stated girls younger than 16 are taken as "spiritual wives". Males are taught that the practice of taking young brides is applauded. The laws of Texas make every adult in the compound complisite with the crime IF they knew of its existance, therefore every minor child MUST be removed under Texas state CPS guidelines. This is not a negotiable issue. It is the law in the state of Texas that if any abuse is suspected all children must be removed. FLDS made themselves targets by practicing a lifestyle that is patently illegal in Texas. Once DNA testing is complete the nature of the problem will be defined and the courts will deal with the situation rapidly. Be assured that any person that knew nothing, saw nothing, married no minors, did not have sex with minors will be exonerated. Everyone else will lose their kids. Sorry!!

G


Cougargard:
"Folks, polygamy is illegal. It is that black and white."

As you continually remind us that you are an attorney, I think that you understand that Texas' allegations are based on child abuse and have *nothing* to do with polygamy.

Further, I suspect that if charges are leveled involving consenting adults, that this is exactly the sort of case that would lead to a Supreme Court decision nullifying anti-polygamy laws, just as sodomy and mixed-race marriage laws have already been declared null. Between consenting adults, bigamy is nobody's business, and these existing laws make no more sense than prosecuting adultery or premarital sex. I wouldn't say that it's a "black and white" issue at all, any more than the gay marriage controversy the periodically recurs during slow news cycles.

GO TEXAS!!

Texas,
Make sure you take away all new borns from YFZ as they are born!! Then go into inner city Dallas and take all babies born to teenage mothers!! Then take all the girls from inner city Dallas to protect them from the same fate (over 70% are having illicit sexual relations and over 13% are getting pregnant - nearly all with older men!!). Then take all the boys from inner city Dallas as they are being raised to be perpetrators!! If any parents object you can send them to YFZ. Once you have cleand up the FLDS and inner city Dallas you will be free to clean up the rest of this country and confiscate everyone's kids!!!

GO TEXAS!!

EPIC LULZ

Boys as young as 13 are abandoned by their "good" mothers. That is child abuse. Girls are married and impregnated not by choice but by rape. That is child abuse. Some of the men marrying these girls are close relatives. That is incest. Babies are at risk because of the communal nature of this group. I am not quite sure why some of you people are confused. This is indeed about child rape and incest (the very issues that put Warren JEFFS their prophet and moral sounding board) behind bars. That abuse, including incest, is PERVASIVE. This is NOT an issue about religion, it could be any organization, but clear cut ABUSE.

I am forced to believe that many posters are polygamists that do not understand that Child abuse and child sexual abuse with incest is WRONG and hiding under the umbrella of religion is a pathetic and invalid excuse.
As far as the Police entering the compound, suppose a person called about a robbery and no crime was currently occurring but a murdered body was found. Do you expect the police to ignore the obvious crime in plain view since the call was false? Of course not.

It's about choice

Teenage kids having sex in every city in this country is their choice. Sure their parents could possibly have been better examples and taught better principles or the realities of birth control. But those kids made a choice. A teenager in the FLDS religion married to an older man is given absolutely NO CHOICE. Even if they believe they are doing the right thing they have never been given another option due to brainwashing since birth.

Let's drop the PR for a moment and also acknowledge that kids growing up in religions that teach arranged marriages, genital mutilation, or lifelong hiding behind a veil are also NOT GIVEN A CHOICE. Dogmatic religion by it's very nature takes choice away particularly when such teachings are repeated since birth. Whether it is whispering a "testimony" in the ear of a 5 year-old every Fast Sunday or teaching that they will go to hell unless they accept Jesus Christ is a way to take away choice. Religious freedom has been elevated to such a status in this country that we forget how important it is for individuals to have the freedom of choice. Choice is removed when indoctrination is present since birth.

PROTECT THE CHILDREN

WAIT A MINUTE....

NOT ALL UTAHNS OR MORMONS ARE SYMPATHETIC TO THESE PEOPLES CAUSE.

I AM BOTH, MORMON AND WAS BORN AND RAISED IN UTAH. I THINK TEXAS MAY HAVE MADE SOME MISTAKES IN THIS EVACUATION OF THE CHILDREN... BUT.... ALL THE CHILDREN THERE ON THE COMPOUND DESERVE TO BE SAFE!!!

I WATCHED THE WOMEN WHEN THEY WERE ON LARRY KING LIVE.... NONE OF THEM, WHEN ASKED WHERE THE FATHERS TO THEIR CHILDREN WERE AT, WOULD ANSWER MR KING...

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHEN ASKED IF THEY DID ANYTHING ILLEGAL, THEY STATED THEY WERE LAW ABIDING AMERICAN CITIZENS.... AND THEY HAD BROKEN NO LAWS.

POLYGAMY IS AGAINST THE LAW!!! MARRYING OFF YOUR 13-16 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER IS AGAINST THE LAW!!!!

IN THE INTERVIEW, I COULD TELL THEY WANTED SYMPATHY AND THAT IS WHY THEY APPEARED. WHEN ASKED ANY QUESTIONS THAT WOULD LEAD WATCHERS FROM GIVING THAT SYMPATHY, THEY WOULD NOT ANSWER!!!!!!

I SAY SAVE THE CHILDREN AT ANY COST

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