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Officials plan to group FLDS kids in homes
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wrz | 4:48 a.m. April 20, 2008
Probably the best foster placement for these kids would be their own homes with
their own fathers and mothers.
Julie Worth | 5:11 a.m. April 20, 2008
The state�s strategy is now clear. As they were not able to
get at the sect directly, they�re using the children as
pawns. They can detain them without evidence and hold them for years without
trial. At each step they will dangle the children in front of the mothers, and
the mothers, some of them, will fall for it. Some went to the
women�s shelter, some will leave the ranch and get jobs,
believing if they do so the state will look favorably on them. Some will submit
DNA when the state has no right to it, not realizing that the state just wants
it to prosecute them, as having gone in there with no case, they now have to
manufacture one. The children are pawns; if they�re
traumatized by all this, the state could care less.
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Mahonri | 5:30 a.m. April 20, 2008
This whole thing is about teenage girls being married off. Why are the boys
being held under constructive arrest? Why are the small children being held?
There is no allegation they are being married off.
Why are the civil rights of all these kids and parents being violated?
If they were Baptists Texas would leave them alone, this is religious bigotry, plain and simple. It is not about the kids at all, they are just an excuse.
Why are the civil rights of all these kids and parents being violated?
If they were Baptists Texas would leave them alone, this is religious bigotry, plain and simple. It is not about the kids at all, they are just an excuse.
Who owns your kids? | 5:34 a.m. April 20, 2008
The Government has went to far
Anonymous | 5:47 a.m. April 20, 2008
These texas rangers just have to get another life, the texas rangers out lived
itself, get with the times, should be on border patrol where the real crime is,
durgs etc. and on horse back.
From what I read it sounds like you (texans) most likly did the wrong move on the FLDS ranch, armed to the teeth, did,nt look too good on TV. The FLDS folks now living not so good conditions, not clean like they are use to, sent them back home. Go into the inter city and take DNA,s, or anyother place in this county and see what you get.
From what I read it sounds like you (texans) most likly did the wrong move on the FLDS ranch, armed to the teeth, did,nt look too good on TV. The FLDS folks now living not so good conditions, not clean like they are use to, sent them back home. Go into the inter city and take DNA,s, or anyother place in this county and see what you get.
L. G. KIRKPATRICK | 6:16 a.m. April 20, 2008
So TX CPS is going to try to farm out the children and teen moms in family
groups, huh? After seeing their work ethics in "investigating the
situation" and their "informing the moms" about the reasons for
Friday's "temporary meeting to make announcements and relate
information" before the surprise forced separations, I'm not going to
hold my breath waiting for CPS to honor their words in this regard, either.
bill | 6:14 a.m. April 20, 2008
Something is wrong with this situation.I don'tthink we have rite to take
children from there parents on hersay. this situation should have been handled
differently maybe with some research first.
Free the Children | 7:19 a.m. April 20, 2008
Send home everyone not indanger of being married off in 60 days!!! That is the
law--there must be imminent danger within that time to hold them... Religious
INTOLERANCE to other factors that are within the law (not the teenagers pregnant
or married)... Now the judge has 1 YEAR to make these cases.. That is one minute
too long for the little ones.. How long are the nursing moms going to stay
before Tx rips their babies from them? You CANNOT give burden of proof the
babies are in danger or the preschoolers and under in age..even CPS'S
psychiatrist Perry said REUNIFICAITON!!
Re: Manhori
If it were Baptists they would have had the dad in jail even if he were proven innocent and the children already miles away never to be seen in a long time.. I have not seen TX CPS kind to anyone--even the truely innocent.
Re: Manhori
If it were Baptists they would have had the dad in jail even if he were proven innocent and the children already miles away never to be seen in a long time.. I have not seen TX CPS kind to anyone--even the truely innocent.
Me | 7:24 a.m. April 20, 2008
Shame! Shame! Shame! on Texas. I am LDS and do not condone this group or
polygamy. But - taking these children from their mothers and siblings is
terribly wrong. Take care of the men and their dealings if you must be
involved. Leave these poor children alone, send them back to their mothers and
families. It's not the states business to check everyone's DNA. That
is going to take years, what about the children. Good Grief! People all over
the world are immoral every day. What's the difference? Go get the really
bad guys.
Amazed at Utahns | 7:24 a.m. April 20, 2008
When did authorized child rape become OK? You have 16 year old girls with two
year old children. That isn't reason enough to break this cult up? The
latent acceptance of these people by virtually everyone who has anything to
write in this board is alarming.
Brooke | 7:37 a.m. April 20, 2008
Yesterday I saw the film EXPELLED. This is just another example of Darwinism
run amuck. Only the strong deserve to be parents or should I dare say that
children belong to the Govt and not to parents to raise. There is no God in
Govt. Shame on those who trample on our constitutional rights!!
Amber from Texas | 7:38 a.m. April 20, 2008
This is so sad. If they have question the girls where being,married off
young...They could of taken away the teen girls or removed all the men from the
ranch. Until the investigation was complete. Instead there having all these
children suffer. Just not fair! Our goverment doesn't make any sense. My
question is the state of Texas looking at there land for the state of
Texas's purpose? Something just don't seem right about this
situation..
Park City Resident | 8:09 a.m. April 20, 2008
To all those critical of the Texas authorities.... It is NOT OK for 50 year old
men to rape 14 year old girls. And it is NOT OK to abandon 12 year old boys and
leave them homeless.
The mothers of these children have been brainwashed and are not fit to raise them!
Texas did the right thing... time for Utah to start protecting children.
The mothers of these children have been brainwashed and are not fit to raise them!
Texas did the right thing... time for Utah to start protecting children.
The lone star. | 8:08 a.m. April 20, 2008
The lone star in this whole mess is Texas that has the guts to do what Utah,
Arizona, Colorado, and South Dakota haven't. Why have these child
molesters been left unchecked. And why are we pitying the mothers for losing
their children. By being in that situation, they are facilitating abuse.
Foster homes will be a traumatic experience, but maybe it will show these kids a
picture of a normal, functional family.
Galaga | 8:16 a.m. April 20, 2008
A dangerous precedent is being set here. NO abuse charges have been filed. NOT
ONE child has been identified as a victim of abuse. The accuser doesn't
even exist. The entire raid was the product of a hoax. Yet the jack-booted
state can come in and tear away each and every child from his or her
mother's arms without a credible cause, any evidence, or a single charge
being filed. However repugnant the beliefs of this sect, the individual rights
of its members and their children are still protected by the Constitution. Even
if the rumors and accusations were true, then they would only involve men who
have allegedly had sex with underage girls (those forcibly married at 13 or so)
and maybe some mothers who allowed it. But it has nothing to do with all of the
young children who have not been involved in a forced, underage marriage or the
mothers who don't have children that have been involved in a forced,
underage marriage. Without charges or direct and specific evidence of abuse the
state should not touch a single child, mother, or father however unpopular the
beliefs and practices of the sect may be.
Sugar Momma | 8:17 a.m. April 20, 2008
This whole time, I've tried to be very objective about the whole thing.
Texas can't sit by when they have evidence of statutory rape. They
can't ignore the incest. They've been informed of the lost boys, and
the reassignment of families, no doubt.
This group is Warren Jeff's "elect", handpicked by him to come live there. They're the most fanatical grouping of this religion, so I do think that ranch has problems.
Texas also can't return the kids to the ranch yet because they don't know who the kids or the parents are. How could do they possibly do any followups with accuracy? I get that.
But here's where I'm freaking out. They're now sending the mothers home of the nursing babies. THAT is not okay. Taking those babies off their mother's milk and putting them on formula can result in more sickness, and a higher risk of asthma.
That's a case where the state absolutely is putting the babies in physical danger by depriving them of their mothers' milk.
I want the mothers to get their kids back, ultimately. I do think that this whole incident is scaring YFZ enough to extract the necessary cultural changes from them.
This group is Warren Jeff's "elect", handpicked by him to come live there. They're the most fanatical grouping of this religion, so I do think that ranch has problems.
Texas also can't return the kids to the ranch yet because they don't know who the kids or the parents are. How could do they possibly do any followups with accuracy? I get that.
But here's where I'm freaking out. They're now sending the mothers home of the nursing babies. THAT is not okay. Taking those babies off their mother's milk and putting them on formula can result in more sickness, and a higher risk of asthma.
That's a case where the state absolutely is putting the babies in physical danger by depriving them of their mothers' milk.
I want the mothers to get their kids back, ultimately. I do think that this whole incident is scaring YFZ enough to extract the necessary cultural changes from them.
DeLaval Milker | 8:19 a.m. April 20, 2008
Go Texas. This is probably the only way they can deal with this problem, and as
we have proven in Utah, leaving it only lets it get worse.
In the end, of course, the old perverts will probably get tired of being held up to the law, and come back to Utah where there's illegal and "illegal".
In the end, of course, the old perverts will probably get tired of being held up to the law, and come back to Utah where there's illegal and "illegal".
Sharon | 8:33 a.m. April 20, 2008
Mothers who stand by and allow institutionalized child abuse (underage marriage)
are just as guilty of child abuse as the person perpetrating it. Remember, there
can be many different forms of abuse - not all of it physical. Claiming it falls
under "religion" doesn't make it right.
Go Texas | 8:26 a.m. April 20, 2008
Are you people really defending child abusers? There have been some mistakes
in the handling of this case, but Texas CPS has tried in good faith to protect
children. Maybe Utah should take some lessons from the Lone Star State.
CA | 8:34 a.m. April 20, 2008
It's about time someone did something about that pedophile group. Go,
Texas!
CPS can't return the kids to their parents since they can't figure out who the parents are- a problem caused by the FLDS repeatedly lying to officials.
I wouldn't return a lost puppy to someone who couldn't/wouldn't identify it AND kept changing their story about it, much less a child. The FLDS'ers brought these problems upon themselves and should have the bright light of day shined on them.
CPS can't return the kids to their parents since they can't figure out who the parents are- a problem caused by the FLDS repeatedly lying to officials.
I wouldn't return a lost puppy to someone who couldn't/wouldn't identify it AND kept changing their story about it, much less a child. The FLDS'ers brought these problems upon themselves and should have the bright light of day shined on them.
Utah Native | 8:34 a.m. April 20, 2008
I am LDS also. I wish there didn't have to be so much suffering on the
children's part, but I believe that what is being accomplished is a good
thing. Raids were done in Utah years ago, it wasn't enough, nor did it make
lasting changes. It appears to others that the LDS are supporting the RLDS by
not taking action, even though they are very against polygamy. It appears that
we sympathize with them when we are so sad for their pain. It always requires
pain when a major change takes place in peoples lives, however this change will
make monumentally good changes. Thank you, Texas.
joelaf | 8:44 a.m. April 20, 2008
Here we go again, defending child molestors. Let's just have one mass
wedding, followed by an orgy. Yeah, that will make GOD proud.
SJ Bobkins | 8:53 a.m. April 20, 2008
Where this is going to become difficult is when the majority of the teen girls
in custody show signs of their pregnancy. Non have ever seen a doctor or had
normal pre-natal care. They use a mid-wife, and I'm sure she is plenty
experienced certainly, but I doubt they have enough mid-wives and female
OBG's in this part of Texas to handle all the girls. The results of the DNA
tests are going to open up this mess, many men are going to end up in jail for
child rape. The policy of silence, confusion, and outright lying in order to
make it impossible to note ages, and fathership, will no longer be effective.
Its time we end child rape and let's these kids have choices.
Stay sweet or burn in hell puts an end to the opportunity to think for one's self.
I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for the men, who are fully supportive of taking the families from the men who have been expelled in the past.
Its time we end child rape and let's these kids have choices.
Stay sweet or burn in hell puts an end to the opportunity to think for one's self.
I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for the men, who are fully supportive of taking the families from the men who have been expelled in the past.
wrz | 9:18 a.m. April 20, 2008
>>You have 16 year old girls with two year old children. >That
isn't reason enough to break this cult up?<< - Amazed at Utahns
The US Constitution says that "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion (cult as you put it) or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." (Article I) These people are being prosecuted for being in a religion. If Texas authorities feel they must do something, they should go after and prosecute those who broke Texas law, not their children.
The US Constitution says that "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion (cult as you put it) or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." (Article I) These people are being prosecuted for being in a religion. If Texas authorities feel they must do something, they should go after and prosecute those who broke Texas law, not their children.
CPS run amuck | 9:18 a.m. April 20, 2008
Brooke,
My sister(here in Salt Lake) was told by CPS that her children belonged to the state and they could take them at any time they pleased. She had a brain injury and was struggling at the time. It is becoming a scary socitey! God Bless those little Children.
My sister(here in Salt Lake) was told by CPS that her children belonged to the state and they could take them at any time they pleased. She had a brain injury and was struggling at the time. It is becoming a scary socitey! God Bless those little Children.
The Future | 9:24 a.m. April 20, 2008
The temporary living arrangements will expose the teen moms and younger children
for the first time to an alternative way of living. Givin a choice for the
first time, I predict that many will choose to live away from the ranch for
good. Until now they have not had a choice. Give them counseling and finally,
a good education so they could make it on the outside if they wanted to. Part
of the education should include details on the activites of their false
"prophet" Warren Jeffs. Once returned to the ranch, they'll
require monitoring by CPS. This is the land of the free where the people have
made laws against false imprisonment (Carolyn Jessop and others) and statuatory
rape.
BigAl | 9:26 a.m. April 20, 2008
To AMAZED: What amazes me is that everyone in Utah, Texas and the entire USA
isn't up-in-arms about these minor government agencies ripping these
innocent children from their obviously loving parents strictly on anti-religious
grounds. If Texas CPS has evidence of a specific case of abuse let them bring
that evidence forward and punish the guilty. Right now they're punishing
only the innocent, and innocent CHILDREN at that, under the guise of protecting
them. Whata Crock. Texans, if you leave these tormentors in their current jobs
you are as guilty as they are. Speak up!!!!!!!
Reality | 9:35 a.m. April 20, 2008
In court Thursday, Texas state officials presented records they said show 10
women were either married or pregnant as minors.
gramme | 9:34 a.m. April 20, 2008
I am sadden by this whole event. I am a Mother and Grandmother and it would
break my heart, literally if my children or grandchildren were taken away from
me, especially by force such as this. Leave these children alone, let them live
with their parents, no matter what we the world think of their "way of
life" this is all they have known. The Texas government should look at
their own families and see how it would make them feel. Work out whatever legal
matters need to be worked out but for goodness sake, don't make these
children and their Mother's and yes Father's suffer for the mistake of
the Texas laws that have not been enforced for so many years, Why now start,
you have turned your eyes away for so long, now you must fine a way to eradicate
this problem without distrubing so many children and their parents. If needs
be, start now by not letting this continue but don't punish those who you
have already been allowed for this to happen for so many years. I do not
condone this behavior but I also do not condone the behavior of the State of
Texas!
Clare | 9:44 a.m. April 20, 2008
I can't belive anyone would think it is okay to let children stay with
these people. Young girls are not allowed to make any decisions or have any
knowledge so they may exercise their own agency. The whole thing is sick. I
totally agree with Park City resident and Lone Star. After these mothers have
had some education and have learned a bit about the world, then I would think
they MIGHT be fit to have their children back. The sick men who have done these
crimes should spend the rest of their lives in jail. The women should be given
an education appropriate to their age and abilities. This type of lifestyle
cannot be permitted. It is against the law. Child rape is just plain evil. It
may be hard to place these children, but they'll be better off living in
the real world so they can make their own decisions and choose their own lives
instead of having them forced to act in a way they probably wouldn't have
if they had had any freedom.
Carol in Texas | 10:01 a.m. April 20, 2008
A man tried to abduct and rape my daughter. He is a pedophile and is now in
prison where he belongs. How can a mother look at her 13 year old child and
even in her wildest throes of religious fanaticism think is it appropriate to
�spiritually� marry her off and be
forced to have sex with a older man? These mothers say they love their children
and I believe them. But they are so brainwashed by their so-called (and
imprisoned) prophet that it is okay to condone what is considered by the rest of
the civilized world (and many third world countries) rape of young girls. I am
amazed that mainstream Mormons support these women instead of attempting to
reach out and educate them as to the appropriate way to love and cherish their
children. I do not always agree with what my state government does, but I
applaud this action. These children deserve an opportunity to live without fear
of abandonment (the boys) and emotional and physical mistreatment (the girls) if
they do not �toe the line�. And, one
doesn't hear of young girls removed from the sect because they commit minor
infractions of the rules.
GROW BRAINS | 10:02 a.m. April 20, 2008
Polygamy is a CRIME. It is CHILD ABUSE. Anyone who has sympathy for these
nutjobs is a fool! Only in Utah would people defend pedophilia in the name of
some stupid, insidious 'religion.' Texas is doing the RIGHT thing,
something Utah should have done YEARS ago. The rest of the planet understands
this clearly. You sympathizers are sick. I've never been in favor of a 50
year old pedophile marrying multiple children. Sorry. Sell that
'temple' for scrap, pay back the taxpayers for the fraudulent support
and send these idiots to prison. Give their children a real chance to become
educated and enter the 21st century. GROW BRAINS. To those of you who say
it's better to return the kids to this wacky, criminal pedophilic
lifestyle, ARE YOU NUTS??
Tom | 10:11 a.m. April 20, 2008
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to
take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson
Cookie | 10:27 a.m. April 20, 2008
Big Al, get a grip! You obviously have not researched other websites to
understand the problem in its entirety. It's huge. Texas has been on
this
for months and months and "the call" opened the door
to get in but even CPS DID NOT KNOW the brevity of the situation. Please, all of you look up Fumerase
Deficiency...search "child brides"...lost boys of
polygamy...these FLDS women,(NOT RLDS), are already
drawing welfare for 2-10+ children; it is organized
FRAUD, by the lustful men, and the women give their
daughters away to older men and cast away their 16-17 sons to the open highways or the streets. The
children do not know how to use a crayola,
for months and months and "the call" opened the door
to get in but even CPS DID NOT KNOW the brevity of the situation. Please, all of you look up Fumerase
Deficiency...search "child brides"...lost boys of
polygamy...these FLDS women,(NOT RLDS), are already
drawing welfare for 2-10+ children; it is organized
FRAUD, by the lustful men, and the women give their
daughters away to older men and cast away their 16-17 sons to the open highways or the streets. The
children do not know how to use a crayola,
jim | 10:31 a.m. April 20, 2008
If the state was looking for under age girls with babys they could find them in
any high school in the state.
After reading the comments, I think the people here except fot one has a good grip on the situation.
I think the state just wants to conflicate the compound for an exutive golf course, under the forfiture laws there.
After reading the comments, I think the people here except fot one has a good grip on the situation.
I think the state just wants to conflicate the compound for an exutive golf course, under the forfiture laws there.
no name | 10:50 a.m. April 20, 2008
Did anyone listen to Larry King Live on April 16th?
I think what is happening in Texas is only the beginning for the FLDS. In the interview that Larry King had with Winston Blackmore, a polygamous leader in Canada with ties to the FLDS, a very enlightening statement was made about Warren Jeffs and his obvious decision not to follow his father's counsel about the marrying of underage women.
"BLACKMORE: His father told us in 1998, before his stroke, he plainly told us all, in Utah that there was -- it was the age difference between marriages, plural marriages. He said we're going to follow this law. We're going to let these people grow up. It was also the advice of our legal counsel at the time. They told us, you guys need to distance yourself from underage marriage."
I believe the state of Texas is doing the right thing in regards to the DNA testing. The evidence will come out that shows that underage marriage practices were in effect and illegal. A whole host of things will be revealed in time.
Had Warren and his flock followed their leader this mess wouldn't be happening. Nobody would have cared.
I think what is happening in Texas is only the beginning for the FLDS. In the interview that Larry King had with Winston Blackmore, a polygamous leader in Canada with ties to the FLDS, a very enlightening statement was made about Warren Jeffs and his obvious decision not to follow his father's counsel about the marrying of underage women.
"BLACKMORE: His father told us in 1998, before his stroke, he plainly told us all, in Utah that there was -- it was the age difference between marriages, plural marriages. He said we're going to follow this law. We're going to let these people grow up. It was also the advice of our legal counsel at the time. They told us, you guys need to distance yourself from underage marriage."
I believe the state of Texas is doing the right thing in regards to the DNA testing. The evidence will come out that shows that underage marriage practices were in effect and illegal. A whole host of things will be revealed in time.
Had Warren and his flock followed their leader this mess wouldn't be happening. Nobody would have cared.
To Cookie | 10:56 a.m. April 20, 2008
Don't waste your breath on Big Al and his kind. Don't you get it? He
and his kind WILL NOT STOP, EVER! THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO REASON. THEY WILL NOT
ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACTS. THEY WILL REPEAT THE SAME ROBOTIC SCRIPTS FOREVERS.
How about the other kids in Houston getting pregnant. What a crock of an ill conceived comparison to systematic child rape.
How about the other kids in Houston getting pregnant. What a crock of an ill conceived comparison to systematic child rape.
Anonymous | 10:57 a.m. April 20, 2008
Here's a question for ya'll.
When the very next child is born to any FLDS woman---will the state of TX be standing there to take it too?
When the very next child is born to any FLDS woman---will the state of TX be standing there to take it too?
to: no name | 10:57 a.m. April 20, 2008
"Had Warren and his flock followed their leader this mess wouldn't be
happening. Nobody would have cared."
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I actually had the opportunity to speak (internet) to a FLDSer last night and i'm pretty sure he was authentic. He seemed like a good man however he continously stressed how virtuous and God-like Uncle Warren is. Jeffs perfected the cult-leader technique over a decades long span and tasted consumate power over people early on. I'm afraid nothing can be done at this point. Sadly, many if not all FLDSers would follow Uncle Warren to their deaths if he so commanded, it seems clear.
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I actually had the opportunity to speak (internet) to a FLDSer last night and i'm pretty sure he was authentic. He seemed like a good man however he continously stressed how virtuous and God-like Uncle Warren is. Jeffs perfected the cult-leader technique over a decades long span and tasted consumate power over people early on. I'm afraid nothing can be done at this point. Sadly, many if not all FLDSers would follow Uncle Warren to their deaths if he so commanded, it seems clear.
Chief | 11:03 a.m. April 20, 2008
Oh, how beautiful is a witch hunt? It is most common to find what you
anticipate!
to jim | 11:05 a.m. April 20, 2008
Yes jim, the world has plenty of teenage girls that are pregnant. It's
because of teenage boys (with rampant hormones) not adult men in some society
that condones child marriages. Geesh, get a brain and a spell checker.
BigAl | 11:08 a.m. April 20, 2008
Cookie and "To Cookie" (who doesn't even have his own name), You
both sound like state CPS agents who made up your minds about the folks at YFZ
without needing any facts beforehand. Or even now, for that matter. Are you
feeling really powerful now that you have so many people under your control?
Sad!!
Larry from Ohio | 11:09 a.m. April 20, 2008
These FLDS mothers are just as guilty as the crusty old men they gave their
young daughters to. Keep it up Texas.
Archaea Cougarguard | 11:25 a.m. April 20, 2008
As a practicing family law attorney in Henderson, NV, I am shocked to see the
comments in support of returning these kids to the FLDS compound. Folks,
polygamy is illegal. It is that black and white. This is necessary to break a
vicious cycle. Texas is doing the job that the Utah AG is afraid to do.
no name | 11:31 a.m. April 20, 2008
Larry King Live April 16th, go read the full interview. Larry King talking with
Winston Blackmore, a Canadian polygamist leader with ties to the FLDS...
KING: Are you a friend of Warren Jeffs?
BLACKMORE: I knew Warren very well.
KING: Was he bad rapped?
BLACKMORE: I think if he had followed the instructions and advice of his father, he would have made a very fine leader.
KING: What didn't he follow?
BLACKMORE: His father told us in 1998, before his stroke, he plainly told us all, in Utah that there was -- it was the age difference between marriages, plural marriages. He said we're going to follow this law. We're going to let these people grow up. It was also the advice of our legal counsel at the time. They told us, you guys need to distance yourself from underage marriage.
Warren heard it. I heard it. The rest of the people heard it. After his father had a stroke, he chose to do something different.
What's happening in Texas is a direct result of the society's own doing. One leader is not responsible for this mess. Many men are to blame and the women are not totally exempt.
KING: Are you a friend of Warren Jeffs?
BLACKMORE: I knew Warren very well.
KING: Was he bad rapped?
BLACKMORE: I think if he had followed the instructions and advice of his father, he would have made a very fine leader.
KING: What didn't he follow?
BLACKMORE: His father told us in 1998, before his stroke, he plainly told us all, in Utah that there was -- it was the age difference between marriages, plural marriages. He said we're going to follow this law. We're going to let these people grow up. It was also the advice of our legal counsel at the time. They told us, you guys need to distance yourself from underage marriage.
Warren heard it. I heard it. The rest of the people heard it. After his father had a stroke, he chose to do something different.
What's happening in Texas is a direct result of the society's own doing. One leader is not responsible for this mess. Many men are to blame and the women are not totally exempt.
Floyd | 11:39 a.m. April 20, 2008
There hasn't been anything like this since the Salem Witch Hunt by another
bunch of lying witnesses.Good Christians all.
For all you people that believe the accusers, May you find your fate.
Remember the Lord said "Judge ye not least ye be Judged"
If one child is harmed while in the care of the Do-Gooders, May the Lord apply his wrath upon you.
I am not LDS or FLDS but I am a good Christian that follows the bible. I do not judge you but pity you for your Judgement.
For all you people that believe the accusers, May you find your fate.
Remember the Lord said "Judge ye not least ye be Judged"
If one child is harmed while in the care of the Do-Gooders, May the Lord apply his wrath upon you.
I am not LDS or FLDS but I am a good Christian that follows the bible. I do not judge you but pity you for your Judgement.
Sad people | 11:41 a.m. April 20, 2008
If those kids get returned to the compound, the vicious cycle is going to
continue. The inbreeding is going to continue, the young girls getting pregnant
will continue. Some of you so called defenders need to do your research on this
cult.
And It astounds me that people here are excusing the child brides and teen girls getting pregnant. Why are some of you comparing your average teenage girl getting pregnant from your hometown to an FLDS teenage girl getting pregnant? There is no comparision! Your average teen that got pregnant wasn't forced into marriage to someone 3 times their age and forced to have children. FLDS girls have no options, no choices - only option to them is to breed and submit to their husbands.
And It astounds me that people here are excusing the child brides and teen girls getting pregnant. Why are some of you comparing your average teenage girl getting pregnant from your hometown to an FLDS teenage girl getting pregnant? There is no comparision! Your average teen that got pregnant wasn't forced into marriage to someone 3 times their age and forced to have children. FLDS girls have no options, no choices - only option to them is to breed and submit to their husbands.
to Floyd | 11:45 a.m. April 20, 2008
Hmmmm Floyd, doesn't the bible say something about a millstone about your
neck if you harm the little ones???? I'm ok judging something along this
line.
Do you have a problem making right and wrong decisions? The Bible clearly gives us a choice to choose and judging right from wrong is pretty clear in applying a law isn't it?
Is sitting on the fence or not choosing to make a decision a decision. Get your head out of the sand!
Do you have a problem making right and wrong decisions? The Bible clearly gives us a choice to choose and judging right from wrong is pretty clear in applying a law isn't it?
Is sitting on the fence or not choosing to make a decision a decision. Get your head out of the sand!
todd | 11:56 a.m. April 20, 2008
Has everyone forgoten Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple? The organization (Mr
Jones) owned all the property of it's members. The organization (Mr Jones)
told it's members what to do and demanded complete obedience. The
organization (Mr Jones) prevented people from leaving. The organization (Mr
Jones) ultimately turned to raping it's underage members with the consent
of the parents. In the end, the organization (Mr Jones) instructed it's
members to commit suicide, which they did, en mass. The type of mind control
practiced by these types of 'churches' is frightening. Substitute Mr
Jones for Mr Jeffs. How can people condone the practices of this
'church' and condemn the state for trying to protect the children?
The state cannot return the children to the parents, because the state
doesn't even know who the parents are. Are those that think this is such a
travesty of justice pro child abuse and pro rape? These people, especially the
children, are not free!
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You have opened the State of Texas up to a lawsuit which could be very expensive to the taxpayers. You have removed 416 children from their parents. Now you talk about treading lightly.
Which is the greater evil; Having a teenage girl impregnated by a 20 year old playa who has no intention of marriage and leaves her with no father for the child and most likely on welfare for most of her life, or a middle age man who marries a teenage bride and provides for her the rest of his life? (Note I said both are evil. I do not support polygamy. I just belive a heavy handed Machiavellian government is an even greater evil)