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snowboy | 5:55 a.m. April 20, 2008
Hype-along calamity Janes like you ought to be banned from the media for fear
mongering. Get a science degree and learn to hypothesize after your research
instead of band wagon science.
please | 6:59 a.m. April 20, 2008
I wish I could blame everything on global warming. It seems like anything that
goes on in this world can be linked to global warming....come on.
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Thad Erickson | 7:00 a.m. April 20, 2008
Like weather forecasts, run off forecasts are more accurate in the near term. I
have high confidence in the 120% runoff forecast this water year, lower
confidence in the gloom and doom longer term worries of global warming theory
supporters. There is no scientific consensus yet on what is man caused and what
is natural in the global warming arena. In terms of geologic time, temperature
volatility has been a main characteristic of the past few 10s of thousands of
years.
Real Story here | 7:10 a.m. April 20, 2008
Strong said the Colorado's flow will be ample this year. The lake is
expected to rise by 50 feet from above-average upstream runoff, mostly from
snowfall in Colorado. This is the fact the rest is Al Gore hype.
500 years | 7:16 a.m. April 20, 2008
If it was this low 500 years ago what was warming the earth then? The climate of
earth goes thru changes and cycles all the time. The difference now is there are
legions of chicken little "scientist" running around screaming for
attention. Get a grip, girls.
lake powell | 7:29 a.m. April 20, 2008
about 3 weeks ago the des news reported that lake powell would be up 40 feet
this year and did not mention globel warming. did we have a drought this winter
that i missed?
Dave | 7:36 a.m. April 20, 2008
Given the forcasters record we better start building dikes now.
The sky is falling | 7:37 a.m. April 20, 2008
If the river will be at its lowest level in 500 yrs then what was happening 500
yrs ago?
Could it be that we simply don't have enough data to say anything about global warming?
Could it be that we simply don't have enough data to say anything about global warming?
Johnson | 7:37 a.m. April 20, 2008
smattering and snowboy, or the "two s's" as I like to think of
you, just exactly what kind of background do you need to work for the U.S.
Geological Service? I expect at least a Master's of Science, more likely a
PhD. And these are the guys you are telling to "get a science
degree", and of dealing in junk science? You have blinders on, if you
can't see that at the very least, the USGS is staffed by people with the
highest level of expertise in earth science. The fact that you refuse to admit
that tells us that you are simply in denial.
Pick a fight with their data or techniques, cite a reliable conflicting opinion we can go to, but don't trot out your ignorance of the U.S. Geological Service, one of the most respected scientific agencies around.
Pick a fight with their data or techniques, cite a reliable conflicting opinion we can go to, but don't trot out your ignorance of the U.S. Geological Service, one of the most respected scientific agencies around.
Leesburg VA reader | 7:55 a.m. April 20, 2008
Why is there no mention in this article of the 10-year cooling trend that the
Earth is currently experiencing and the impact to the Colorado if that trend
continues? 1998 was the hottest year on record and temperatures have receded
since then. I proposed a new UN panel called the Intergovernmental Panel on
Meteor Impacts (or "IPMI") which could constantly warn us of the
dangers of meteor impacts to the Earth. The IPMI could periodically release
studies of what would happen if small, medium, or large meteors impact different
geographical locations. It would have the same value as the IPCC. Governments,
in turn, could fund scientific research of yet another hypothetical event.
shadow | 8:00 a.m. April 20, 2008
To Johnson: right on! Can we get an "amen" to brother Johnson?! He
tells it like it is.
I have known/worked with the USGS off and on for decades. The agency is filled with neutral and well trained scientists who just love to crunch numbers, run models, and let the conclusions be based on science, the systematic verifiable body of knowledge.
The Colorado is overwhelmed by us. Of that there is no doubt, unless you are biased toward the view that man can only do great things and that some how we are supposed to procreate more and more and hope that something good happens to our limited water supply.
These problems of over population and limited water are so well-known that it is suprising to see that there are folks left who are still in denial. Amazing relics.
As to global warming, the scientists with no cross to burn, point at us, we, you and I, as adding to the problem. Not the sole cause, but definitely a significant factor in the change.
Go back and run the tape again of what Gore said. He told it truthfully.
My campus applauded his effort. Reasonably so.
The Shadown Knows.
I have known/worked with the USGS off and on for decades. The agency is filled with neutral and well trained scientists who just love to crunch numbers, run models, and let the conclusions be based on science, the systematic verifiable body of knowledge.
The Colorado is overwhelmed by us. Of that there is no doubt, unless you are biased toward the view that man can only do great things and that some how we are supposed to procreate more and more and hope that something good happens to our limited water supply.
These problems of over population and limited water are so well-known that it is suprising to see that there are folks left who are still in denial. Amazing relics.
As to global warming, the scientists with no cross to burn, point at us, we, you and I, as adding to the problem. Not the sole cause, but definitely a significant factor in the change.
Go back and run the tape again of what Gore said. He told it truthfully.
My campus applauded his effort. Reasonably so.
The Shadown Knows.
Professor | 8:00 a.m. April 20, 2008
Global warming and cooling is a natural cycle that can be historically proven.
To think that Al Gore, the great climate prophet, can precisely predict what the
snow pack or temperatures are going to be next year or 10 years from now
requires blind faith in this new religion.
Their prophets have been wrong two years running. This is simply a religious scam that is being crammed down our throats.
Their prophets have been wrong two years running. This is simply a religious scam that is being crammed down our throats.
To Johnson: | 8:15 a.m. April 20, 2008
There are just some people out there who refuse to believe that humans have the
potential to alter the earth's climate, and look for any reason to poke
their fingers in your eye. It is true that the earth goes through natural
cycles, but one thing the doubters of global warming are missing is that perhaps
we are not in a natural warming cycle. Heaven forbid that a natural warming
cycle occurs at the same time humans are warming the planet. Perhaps the
doubters are right and the scientists are wrong; I'm still not willing to
take the chance, besides what is wrong with the fringe benefits of cleaning up
the air that we breathe and living like true stewards of the earth, and even
better yet, a whole new industry could be spawned that will help employ millions
of people in developing and manufacturing green technology--something that
can't be outsourced too easily to third world countries.
Brian | 8:09 a.m. April 20, 2008
The other media outlets have mostly figured out that if they are going to allow
comments from the public that they can't run the global warming stuff
because they will get ripped to shreds.
We should all be thankful for global warming because we don't have to listen to the press go on and on any more about the hole in the ozone layer!
In like sense global warming will only be "solved" when the media comes up with their next scary story that they can fall back on when there is no real news!
We should all be thankful for global warming because we don't have to listen to the press go on and on any more about the hole in the ozone layer!
In like sense global warming will only be "solved" when the media comes up with their next scary story that they can fall back on when there is no real news!
Anonymous | 8:37 a.m. April 20, 2008
I predict it the Colorado River will rise in the next 50 years because of global
warming. I have as much authority in saying this as these wack jobs have in
saying it will shrink away. On another note what will the weate be like 14, 21,
28 days, or 4 years from today? If you can tell me I will buy global warming. I
love the global warming we are having this winter.
Get Ready | 8:50 a.m. April 20, 2008
I woke up with a cold this morning. Turns out it was caused, at least in part,
by global warming.
Sloppy | 9:01 a.m. April 20, 2008
This article's research on this subject is sloppy. You completely ignore
evidence from the National Science Foundation's researchers in Greenland
and Antarctica that suggests that during periods of rising temperatures
precipitation over the mainlands actually increases. Even school children know
that dinosaurs lived in a wet/warm climate. But hey, that just doesn't
fit in well with the alarmist intention of the article, does it.
JOHNJ | 9:09 a.m. April 20, 2008
Global warming? Sure would like it to hit here this was one of the coldest
winters I can remember!
To To Johnson... | 10:12 a.m. April 20, 2008
Please call me and the press when YOU can make the wind blow...or when you make
a cloud appear in the sky...or when you make it rain, snow, sleet, hail....or
when YOU cause a tornado....
I love it when the arrogance of man THINKS they can actually change the climate..... the earth has been through how many coolings and warmings over the thousands of years? Was man responsible for the Ice Age or for when it ended?
You are not in charge my friend. Their is only One in charge of this earth and its existence....and as far as I know, you ain't Him.
I love it when the arrogance of man THINKS they can actually change the climate..... the earth has been through how many coolings and warmings over the thousands of years? Was man responsible for the Ice Age or for when it ended?
You are not in charge my friend. Their is only One in charge of this earth and its existence....and as far as I know, you ain't Him.
Ernest T. Bass | 10:25 a.m. April 20, 2008
Yep, global warming is a farce. I know this because a bunch republicans told me
so and we all know republicans can be given complete trust when we're
talking about the environment and determining whether or not something is based
on "junk science".
Sad & Scary | 10:31 a.m. April 20, 2008
So... you folks know more about climate change than the actual scientists
who've spent years gathering and analyzing the data. They're
"wack jobs" and you're the experts, right?
The level of ignorance about how science works exhibited in most of these messages is appalling.
The level of ignorance about how science works exhibited in most of these messages is appalling.
Just The Truth | 11:47 a.m. April 20, 2008
Yes !! I�m afraid the �whack
Jobs� here do know more then the Mad Scientists that cant
predict the common whether report past 24 hours, Let alone predicting the
weather one week in advanced. They are 96% wrong on the weather next week. So
What make one believe they have anything right?
You're not changing a thing. | 11:52 a.m. April 20, 2008
Sad & Scary these people reflect what they believe. This is useful data. We
have people who believe that science fails them more than Rush Limbaugh.
Lack of education or the expertise that we acquire in getting a degree, carries no weight with many conservatives. In their minds, they aren't at a disadvantage because, they lack this educational back ground.
To be educated is to be dismissed as being elitist. In the conservatives mind, there is no benefit to learning and no cost in the dumbing down of Americans. Why care that China and India produce more engineers? America has destiny on our side. God will intervene and save us.
If you're elitist enough, to assume these folks have been brain washed using noble lies to control them, you see this brainwashing really works. You can also see the futility trying to reprogram people once they have been brainwashed by a belief system. Your time is better spent spitting into the wind.
Regardless of what people believe time will pass and events will happen based on causation and effect. Denial can't change the outcome.
Earth can and will go on after the extinct of any species, even humans.
Lack of education or the expertise that we acquire in getting a degree, carries no weight with many conservatives. In their minds, they aren't at a disadvantage because, they lack this educational back ground.
To be educated is to be dismissed as being elitist. In the conservatives mind, there is no benefit to learning and no cost in the dumbing down of Americans. Why care that China and India produce more engineers? America has destiny on our side. God will intervene and save us.
If you're elitist enough, to assume these folks have been brain washed using noble lies to control them, you see this brainwashing really works. You can also see the futility trying to reprogram people once they have been brainwashed by a belief system. Your time is better spent spitting into the wind.
Regardless of what people believe time will pass and events will happen based on causation and effect. Denial can't change the outcome.
Earth can and will go on after the extinct of any species, even humans.
Global Warming "agenda"! | 11:57 a.m. April 20, 2008
Yes, it's true! There IS a global warming agenda.
The left wants to panic the world into thinking we are all doomed unless we turn our lives over to Gore et al to tell us what to do.
Don't fall for it, America!
The left wants to panic the world into thinking we are all doomed unless we turn our lives over to Gore et al to tell us what to do.
Don't fall for it, America!
Anonymous | 12:00 p.m. April 20, 2008
...or it could push the Colorado River to historic highs. These
"experts" are complete idiots. Everyone knows the weather is not
predictable, that things go up, things go down, and they are making this
prediction based on something that never happens--the weather continuing in the
same course for years into the future. Ignore these fools, they'll be wrong
again and again, and again.
Science, please | 12:12 p.m. April 20, 2008
The liberal out of touch media and the even more liberal out of touch academic
world are using their positions of trust in society to push their fraudulent
theory.
They say the facts are incontrovertible and that no more research is needed.
A LIE!
Science is about ALWAYS studying and testing your hypothesis. If it is true more research will bear it out, or, you might actually stumble on the truth, which is what the far left pseudo science crowd fears.
Any academian who questions global warming in today's witchhunt environment will lose his university support and be ridiculed by the press.
FREE SCIENCE from the far left.
Any speaker who suggest the evidence for man made global warning is incontrovertible should be immediately beaten to death by a righteously indignant audience. (Instead, on the close minded fawning left herd mentality campuses of today they are cheered like rockstars)
Don't suggest the general population is too stupid to understand, they understand all too well, and that is the problem for the left.
FREE SCIENCE
They say the facts are incontrovertible and that no more research is needed.
A LIE!
Science is about ALWAYS studying and testing your hypothesis. If it is true more research will bear it out, or, you might actually stumble on the truth, which is what the far left pseudo science crowd fears.
Any academian who questions global warming in today's witchhunt environment will lose his university support and be ridiculed by the press.
FREE SCIENCE from the far left.
Any speaker who suggest the evidence for man made global warning is incontrovertible should be immediately beaten to death by a righteously indignant audience. (Instead, on the close minded fawning left herd mentality campuses of today they are cheered like rockstars)
Don't suggest the general population is too stupid to understand, they understand all too well, and that is the problem for the left.
FREE SCIENCE
Spanky | 12:15 p.m. April 20, 2008
It was interesting reading the posts on this article. I would say that at least
90% are written by people with absolutely no scientific education or experience,
but want to argue scientific data with people who have advanced degrees in the
area. There seems to be a certain mindset that's common among people who
get so upset when the issue of global warming is raised. They seem to be
individuals who want to do whatever they want, when they want, use up as much as
they want, overpopulate if they want, and not take any responsibility for their
actions. Interesting.
Anonymous | 12:27 p.m. April 20, 2008
It is amazing to me to witness the senseless belief that man can't alter
the earth's climate when we have done a pretty good job at altering
it's landscape. Deforestation in our rain forests have caused erosion on
such a mass scale that you can see it from space. Oil, natural gas, and coal is
simply carbon pulled from the atmosphere and stored in a harmless state, then we
enter man and in one century release half of what the earth has taken millions
of years to scrub out of the atmosphere and put it right back in the atmosphere
and then have the audacity to say that we are doing nothing to our planet, and
for all the religious zealots out there who think that God is going to swoop
down in his golden chariot and save us, whatever happened to "God only
helps those who help themselves. You can never convince people no matter what
kind of evidence you present them. We even have people out there who still
believe the world is flat.
Educated fools | 12:30 p.m. April 20, 2008
There is nothing so pathetic as someone impressed by their own level of
education.
They personify the expression about a little knowledge being a dangerous (and also delusional, evidently) thing.
Truly educated people are more impressed by what they don't yet know and never cease striving for it.
It matters not a whit but rest assured there are a lot of doctorates posting for true research. (does that impress you, follow-the-herd boy?)
They personify the expression about a little knowledge being a dangerous (and also delusional, evidently) thing.
Truly educated people are more impressed by what they don't yet know and never cease striving for it.
It matters not a whit but rest assured there are a lot of doctorates posting for true research. (does that impress you, follow-the-herd boy?)
LOL | 12:45 p.m. April 20, 2008
Spanky, once my Mormon ancestors were believers in not wasting resources. They
bought locally. They recycled. They found wasting deplorable. Then, these ideas
reflected the conservative values of their community.
How do you protest Al Gore? You can leave your lights on, keep your car running and you can stop taking your soda cans back and cashing them in. Don't do anything in a single trip, you can do in five trips?
You don't want to be a followers of Al Gore.
If you follow Gore, you cut your carbon foot print by cutting down on your cost of heating your home. You shop at farmer's markets were there is a community spirit. You live within your means. You walk or ride a bike. You become healthier.
It amazes how Rush Limbaugh and Fox can get Americans to believe acting in their best interests is wrong. It's liberalism. Don't question that your best use is being a unit of consumption. Using more is always better.
God forbid we return to living in the villages of my Utah childhood where people knew you and where concerned about you.
How do you protest Al Gore? You can leave your lights on, keep your car running and you can stop taking your soda cans back and cashing them in. Don't do anything in a single trip, you can do in five trips?
You don't want to be a followers of Al Gore.
If you follow Gore, you cut your carbon foot print by cutting down on your cost of heating your home. You shop at farmer's markets were there is a community spirit. You live within your means. You walk or ride a bike. You become healthier.
It amazes how Rush Limbaugh and Fox can get Americans to believe acting in their best interests is wrong. It's liberalism. Don't question that your best use is being a unit of consumption. Using more is always better.
God forbid we return to living in the villages of my Utah childhood where people knew you and where concerned about you.
It is true | 12:49 p.m. April 20, 2008
that Americans consume sinful amounts of oil and other resources (which are
going to run out and in the meantime pollute)
It is also true that the jury on man's role in climate change is still out.
The best thing that could happen for the environment would be for Gore to disappear because a great many people, out of spite and loathing of Gore, will never concede a millimeter in the debate as long as Gore personifies the other side.
This has always been true of the environmental movement (they are their own and the environments worse enemies in terms of the public debate) but the problem is much bigger with Gore (as is Gore himself; much bigger, that is)
It is also true that the jury on man's role in climate change is still out.
The best thing that could happen for the environment would be for Gore to disappear because a great many people, out of spite and loathing of Gore, will never concede a millimeter in the debate as long as Gore personifies the other side.
This has always been true of the environmental movement (they are their own and the environments worse enemies in terms of the public debate) but the problem is much bigger with Gore (as is Gore himself; much bigger, that is)
avengeance | 12:52 p.m. April 20, 2008
Wait a sec... if the globe is warming, and the ice caps are melting,
wouldn't global water levels rise? This very excuse is being used by some
as to why the Mississippi and Merimac rivers are so high in Missouri right
now.
Seems like "climate change" can be an excuse for anything. River's up: climate change! River's down: climate change. Unusually cold this year? Yep, climate change. Unusually warm this year? Rinse, repeat...
Seems like "climate change" can be an excuse for anything. River's up: climate change! River's down: climate change. Unusually cold this year? Yep, climate change. Unusually warm this year? Rinse, repeat...
Al Gore's credibility | 12:59 p.m. April 20, 2008
I wouldn't agree with Al Gore, but I would at least take him seriously if
he practiced what he preached. He has an ENORMOUS carbon footprint- hundreds of
times larger than the average American's, thanks to his lavish consumption
of energy. He is like any other hypocritical, scamming preacher that reduces
his naive followers to ruins while he cruises around in private jets and SUVs.
Deceitful liar.
Matt | 1:10 p.m. April 20, 2008
For another, more accurate take on the matter, see yesterday's Wall Street
Journal editorial by Patrick Michaels, professor environmental science at
University of Virginia. To quote, in part:
"For years, records from surface thermometers showed a global warming trend beginning in the late 1970s. But temperatures sensed by satellites and weather balloons displayed no concurrent warming..."
And:
"There have been six major revisions in the warming figures in recent years, all in the same direction. So it's like flipping a coin six times and getting tails each time. The chance of that occurring is 0.016, or less than one in 50. That doesn't mean that these revisions are all hooey, but the probability that they would all go in one direction on the merits is pretty darned small."
Read the whole article and you'll learn a lot about where we get our "global warming." It ain't from greenhouse gases...
"For years, records from surface thermometers showed a global warming trend beginning in the late 1970s. But temperatures sensed by satellites and weather balloons displayed no concurrent warming..."
And:
"There have been six major revisions in the warming figures in recent years, all in the same direction. So it's like flipping a coin six times and getting tails each time. The chance of that occurring is 0.016, or less than one in 50. That doesn't mean that these revisions are all hooey, but the probability that they would all go in one direction on the merits is pretty darned small."
Read the whole article and you'll learn a lot about where we get our "global warming." It ain't from greenhouse gases...
The story would be more credible | 1:28 p.m. April 20, 2008
if it just reported the facts and skipped the editorializing.
Every story about climate or weather doesn't have to rehash Kyoto and CO2. If you try too hard people get wise to your con.
Every story about climate or weather doesn't have to rehash Kyoto and CO2. If you try too hard people get wise to your con.
Look Out! | 1:45 p.m. April 20, 2008
I think the most effective thing we can do at this point is allow the United
Nations to levee a tax. No matter what, we must not question Global Warming.
The best thing, the only thing to do is give more money to government, any
government. They are wise and they will save us. You can't argue with
this logic, other wise you are ignorant.
The source | 1:59 p.m. April 20, 2008
Matt I have read some great articles covering views from both sises of this
question. Science isn't about believing. I'm not invested in an
outcome.
I do have a bias. The same people who said that George the Second would be a great president tell me they have the answer to global climate. The same folks who linked conservatism to returning morality to politics argue against golbal warming.
This is like taking investment advise from someone in bankruptcy.
I do have a bias. The same people who said that George the Second would be a great president tell me they have the answer to global climate. The same folks who linked conservatism to returning morality to politics argue against golbal warming.
This is like taking investment advise from someone in bankruptcy.
Anonymous | 2:15 p.m. April 20, 2008
I'm not a scientist, but I am an observer. I've observed that, in the
minute speck of geologic time that has been my lifetime, the climate has
changed. I've also noticed that adding a lot more people in an area does
not make life better. And that more lawns, more people, more agriculture, it has
had a serously negative influence on our water supply, especially in the desert
west. Finite supply, increasing demand. Doesn't work. And, if you put too
many cows in the field, god doesn't simply make it grow more grass, whether
I want it or not.
We claim to eschew gambling in Utah, but I wonder if betting against global warming isn't the stupidest risk we've ever taken. One thing I know is that we've proven time and again men have proven hubris to be stupid.
We claim to eschew gambling in Utah, but I wonder if betting against global warming isn't the stupidest risk we've ever taken. One thing I know is that we've proven time and again men have proven hubris to be stupid.
russ | 2:22 p.m. April 20, 2008
I go with the scientists. Not the people who cannot understand long term
consequences or intervening variables.
I am with the scientists.
I am with the scientists.
doug | 2:30 p.m. April 20, 2008
Those who do not believe in global warming are free to express their opinions.
If only the data supported them. It does now.
We have added to the change in our climate. And somewhere there is a point of no return. Why not adjust now when you have the opportunity, and not later, when you might not have the opportunity?
We can better than we are doing, can't we?
We have added to the change in our climate. And somewhere there is a point of no return. Why not adjust now when you have the opportunity, and not later, when you might not have the opportunity?
We can better than we are doing, can't we?
sure | 2:44 p.m. April 20, 2008
we cut emissions to zero, live in caves and eat dirt and slow the rate of
temperature increase.
then a volcano erupts, fills the atmosphere with ash for 10 years and plunges us into an ice age.
then a volcano erupts, fills the atmosphere with ash for 10 years and plunges us into an ice age.
Of ice caps & water levels | 2:56 p.m. April 20, 2008
The arctic ice cap, which last summer was half the size it was only twenty years
ago, won't change sea levels because its melting. Floating ice displaces
water equivalent to its weight. Your glass of ice water doesn't get more
full as the ice melts.
What arctic sea ice melting does, however, is seriously endanger species such as the polar bear that depend on arctic ice for their survival. It also changes the salinity, and hence the density, of the water, which has the potential to alter ocean currents. Moreover, as the amount of ice declines the amount of light reflected back into space by ice also declines. Liquid water absorbs much more energy from sunlight than ice. This accelerates warming.
Global warming causes the temperature of the oceans to rise. and as water warms it expands, which raises sea levels.
The really serious threat to sea level stability from melting ices relates to the Greenland ice sheet and Antarctic ices. Glaciers in both areas are now flowing at about 8x their normal rate, which is alarming.
What arctic sea ice melting does, however, is seriously endanger species such as the polar bear that depend on arctic ice for their survival. It also changes the salinity, and hence the density, of the water, which has the potential to alter ocean currents. Moreover, as the amount of ice declines the amount of light reflected back into space by ice also declines. Liquid water absorbs much more energy from sunlight than ice. This accelerates warming.
Global warming causes the temperature of the oceans to rise. and as water warms it expands, which raises sea levels.
The really serious threat to sea level stability from melting ices relates to the Greenland ice sheet and Antarctic ices. Glaciers in both areas are now flowing at about 8x their normal rate, which is alarming.
anything that affects. . . | 3:12 p.m. April 20, 2008
ocean sanity is serious, no one wants insane ocean currents.
Kevin In Texas | 3:17 p.m. April 20, 2008
There is overwhelming consensus in the scientific community regarding global
warming because scientific evidence supports those conclusions, not because of
some political agenda. The implications of global warming are not fully
understood but they are dire. For example most of our food crops grow within a
narrow moisture regime. If our crop land areas warm up, the soils dry up and a
food shortage could occur. A few degrees warmer will make a huge difference.
Just look at the mountains on the Wasach front. The north facing slopes have
Doug firs and the south facing slopes have oak scrub. The difference between
those two areas are a couple degrees temperature, which dries out the soils on
the south slope and prevents doug fir from growing there. To reject global
warming is rediculous. Consider venus, it is not hot because it is closer to the
sun. The extreame temperatures on Venus can be wholly attributted to CO2 and the
greenhouse effect. Similarly Mars is cold because of a lack of atmosphearic CO2.
Reality is that all of us should be very concerned about global warming and it
should not be a partisan issue.
S-A-L-I-N-I-T-Y | 3:19 p.m. April 20, 2008
The word used is "salinity."
Robert | 3:29 p.m. April 20, 2008
Yes, �global warming� has brought us
to one of the best years ever for snow in Colorado (186% of the normal snow
pack). By the way, the NOAA forecast at the start of the season was this would
be one of the worst years for snow in CO due to global warming. I live in
Pueblo, CO, and authorities are VERY worried about flooding this spring from the
runoff. Lake Pueblo is at its highest level in 10yrs. When do we start holding
these �scientist� accountable for
their fear mongering and fabricated forecasts? The hoax that is Global Warming
is about one thing and one this only, an effort to weaken the US in the world
economy (which is the reason Clinton �not Bush as everyone
claims � refused to sign Kyoto) and to justify a liberal
government (the royalty) to assume more control of the lives of the peasants.
Just look at Al Gore � demands that we all make massive
changes in our lives while he drives �mi in 3 SUV
motorcades and whose home consumes 20x the average household energy
� but don�t worry, he buys carbon
credits to offset this (from the company that HE OWNS!).
Robert | 3:46 p.m. April 20, 2008
Spanky, just to have you know - I have a MS in Engineering. I have extensive
experience in complex closed-loop linear and non-linear systems. Let's be
very honest with ourselves, any model of the earth's atmosphere that we
feable humans have the capacity to create would be so oversimplified so as to
have only a slight correlation to reality. Case in point, how many hurricanes
did the NWS predict for 2007 (Hint: their models predicited it was going to be
really bad due to GW)? How many did we have? I also have extensive experience
with research communities. It is very common for researches to be hell bent on
createing data that justifies additional research and consequently more funding.
There is no check and ballance! Anyone that tells you that Global Warming in
not all about the $$ to be made off of the hysteria is living in a fanstasy
world. I'm a scientist - and I KNOW not all are to be trusted.
but anything that affects. . . | 3:56 p.m. April 20, 2008
ocean density is worse. NO ONE wants stupid oceans.
Robert | 4:03 p.m. April 20, 2008
Robert, you have a good point. The complexity of modeling climate is immense.
This is why this is great science. This explains why the way we look at climate
changes over time.
Robert when you compare what a researcher earns compared to a CEO, who looses billions of investor dollars, you can't say science is more corrupt than business.
Do you think Rush Limbaugh will risk his moneyline by turning liberal anymore that Matt Drudge or Hanity will? Many ideologies are fueled by cash.
In terms of political fear mongering, there is more cash to be made being a conservative radio head than a liberal essay writer for newspapers. The president of Green Peace earns penny compared to the CEO's that started the subprime debacle.
Robert we may disagree but I respect anyone with your grasp of science. I think too many conservatives try to view a non-linear world using linear modeling.
Robert when you compare what a researcher earns compared to a CEO, who looses billions of investor dollars, you can't say science is more corrupt than business.
Do you think Rush Limbaugh will risk his moneyline by turning liberal anymore that Matt Drudge or Hanity will? Many ideologies are fueled by cash.
In terms of political fear mongering, there is more cash to be made being a conservative radio head than a liberal essay writer for newspapers. The president of Green Peace earns penny compared to the CEO's that started the subprime debacle.
Robert we may disagree but I respect anyone with your grasp of science. I think too many conservatives try to view a non-linear world using linear modeling.
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