Comments about ‘Texas keeps FLDS kids’

Does anyone else find it ironic that the name of the facility in Texas is the Tom Green Courthouse?

Except for the polygamy part, these people are living lives I've heard many others yearn for of late -- raising children who respect authority, obey their elders, work hard and grow up to be peace-loving productive members of their own community. But because CPS doesn't like to be wrong, this has now become a bad thing. CPS, like the IRS, believes everyone is guilty until they've proven their innocence ... and sometimes not even then.

Why aren't they out there rounding up the children of single people who spawn out of wedlock with multiple mates? Or do they not worry about those children because they're tracking them through the welfare system? When welfare kids get pregnant in their early teens, no one evens bats an eye anymore, they just create "programs" to "help" them ... all at taxpayer expense, of course.

I sure hope Texas can find the right foster homes for these hundreds of kids and not just dump them where ever. Cause they haven't been raised like other kids and this ruling can actually do more harm then good to them and mess their minds up even more. I'm sure there will be mega appeals of the decision made.

While there are apparently problems with this group following the laws of the land in some regards, there are many lifestyles that are worse for children to be in. But those lifestyles don't get the dander up of the predominant religion in that part of Texas.

The raid and confiscation of these children is simply a way for the officials in that part of Texas to destroy a religious group in the area that they are very prejudiced against.

This kind of raid is clearly illegal, but when it comes to "child abuse", the authorities are given more leniency. They can do things under the guise of "protecting children" that they could not get away with under the US constitution any other way. So this was a well-planned way to destroy the community using the only way they could skirt the law -- by playing the Child Abuse card.

I don't agree with a lot about the teachings of this group, but as an American I am infuriated that the Texas authorities are allowed to play the child abuse card to the destruction of an entire community. I am now rooting for the legal system to turn against these Texans.

Say what you will, in the state of Texas is is illegal for an adult male to have sex with a minor female, whether he calls it a "spiritual marriage" or not. Incest is also illegal. This is all about the coercion and abuse of minor children. Utah and Arizona may not have upheld the law on this, but Texas will!

Lets see, polygamy is illegeal and they do it, underage marriage is illegeal and they do it, welfare fraud is illegal and they do it, child labor laws are broken by the flds, dumping teen age boys and not allowing them to contact their families is reprehensible and they do that. Not the life style I would want for my family.

Based on the standards the TX DPS used here--that the FLDS kids are not prepared to deal with society--anyone's kids could be taken from their home: evangelicals, Mennonites, Mormon, Baptists, agnostics, Amish, atheist. I find that very troubling.

Yes, it has been mentioned about two dozen times in these threads that it is ironic that these proceedings are transpiring in the "Tom Green County Courthouse. Enough already.

For all you FLDS defenders, when your 15 y/o daughter comes home pregnant by her 50+ y/o "husband", will you welcome him with open arms, or will you be jailed for attempted murder. I'm sure you do long for this simple life of a harem of teen brides. What if some of these teen brides were actually boys, are you ok with that? I mean, it is their religious freedom and constitutional rights we're talking about, right?

Head scratcher,

Does your version of "children who respect authority" include 14 year-old girls obediently having sex with their middle-aged "husbands" and becoming pregnant by them?

How about expelling 17 year-old boys from the community because they represent competition to the 60 year-old men for the 14 year-old girls?

Is that the world you "yearn for of late"?

In the FLDS world there are no newspapers, no TV, no radios, no Internet, no contact with the outside world except what is allowed by church leaders under tight supervision. Little girls are indoctrinated to believe that those who disagree with the "breed 'em young" mentality are agents of the devil.

Bravo for Texas for having the spine to do what Utah and Arizona wouldn't do.

Marleigh Meisner, Department of Family and Protective Services: "This case is not about religion."

Not about religion? BS! Then why, as one mother put it: "They can't point to a single male who has ever been sexually abused." "Why don't they let them go home?"

The sequestered boys have not been molested nor are they in danger of being molested. They are in "danger" of being indoctrinated about the FLDS religion. Which shows that it obviously is about religion, otherwise the boys would never have been taken. And for sure, would be home by now.

And another point. The rate of underage pregnancies across all of Texas far exceeds the rate of underage pregnancy in the FLDS group. Why is CPS not sequestering all the children in Texas then? Because it's about the FLDS religion.

What I see going on in San Angelo TX, you would not see in an inter city, ( black or mex amer neighborhood).Can you see a armor cars with troops going into a mexamer, black inter city neighborhood with all the armed troops, I don,t think so.
The texas rangers should be rounding up the drug dealers coming over their border with mexico. Trucking the ilegals back to mexico,now that they know how to roundup 600 people and move them out, they ask the Baptist if they could use their buses.
As a people we are not perfect, texeans look in a mirror, who are you to judge.

There is no way that, within the time given, over 400 individual court cases were heard. Alex Jones, conspiracy theorist extraordinaire, speaks in some of his videos about the "collectivist mindset" and how people will be dealt with in groups instead of individual soveriegn citizens. This "tinfoil hat nonsense" has now become reality, and we watch helplessly as these things come to pass.

Stop for a moment and think of yourself not as an individual, but as a member of a collective, such as "smoker" or "Catholic" or "Middle-Eastern". Do you really think the government will stop now, with their apparent success here? How many of you will stand aside while "other groups" like the FLDS children are rounded up, catalogged like felons, and dispersed among others to blend and secularize them into a larger, less identifiable collective, destroying their personal and group identity?

There is a storm coming.

These kids should be returned to their parents - end of sentence, period.

Underage marriage is WRONG !
Taking ALL the children from ANY community, based on a FAKE phone call about ONE home is WRONG !

To Head Scratcher's 2nd point: in 33 years of a busy obstetrical practice, we've cared for many hundreds of pregnant early- & mid-teenage girls where the father of the baby was in his mid-thirties or older. The state has paid for the OB care, etc., & supported the resulting children. The fathers have either gone their merry way or hung around to father additional kids. Occasionally, we have seen the same men, over the years, come in multiple times, with different teenage girls each time. To my knowledge, although we have reported the ones we could, there has not not been a single case where CPS or any other governmental agency has responded in any way to the 20-plus-year gap in age, or to the fact neither marriage nor financial responsibility were ever considered.
Having said that, the other problems of our society don't mean that we don't have to act where we can help. The FLDS situation is, as the article reports, a lose-lose situation for everyone. I'm sure that the TX authorities, as did those in UT and AZ, are trying to do their best. We should pray for everyone involved.

I can not believe that the women of this nation have not stood up and shouted, GIVE THOSE CHILDREN BACK TO THEIR FAMILIES>. NO place in the constitution of this great nation does this kind of blanket cituation recieve any kind of creedence. Each family has the right to proove innocense and we better take a very good look at this cause next our children will be stolen. Give those babies back to their mothers. Texas can not take care of them anyhow, I am sure the mothers will get appartments or what ever hoops they have to jump thru but if we the people allow this to happen to these people we will have no recourse when they take our children. Come on america this is morally and legally wrong.

If the girls truly want to be married and bear children at a young age, even if it is "indoctrination," it's a slippery slope to have the state step in and say that their beliefs are wrong. We allow kindergarteners to learn about homosexuality in the name of tolerance. Aren't we equally guilty of "indoctrination"?

The difference is, the majority does not approve of polygamy and young marriage. (Young sex is okay, as long as it's "safe" and the partners are both young.) I don't agree at all with the FLDS social structure, but this case seems to be all about "We don't like how you live, so we're going to take away your children."

"How do you define abuse?"
"I don't know."

See? That's the problem right there. The ignorance and lack of education of fundamental concepts like what abuse is.

Even if Texas did return the children, they don't know who the children are, and they don't even know if the childrens' parents are at the YFZ ranch. They can't do that. It'd be a free for all.

Plus the FLDS are notorious for running and hiding from the law. Could Texas have trusted them if they'd returned the children?

If I were a mother there, and they'd temporarily returned my child to me, I'd hightail it to Mexico, man, before I gave my kid up again.

I am very encouraged though that some mothers are willing to do what it takes to get their children back. Those are the mothers that love their kids more than they fear their pedophile prophet, I believe.

What these folks need is a change of venue. Move this trial to Mississippi, Louisiana or New York to facilitate a fair trial. Texas can continue to participate by footing the bill.